I really don't think Twilight Princess is bad. I guess maybe by Zelda standards sure, but mostly it was just mediocre.
It did the job, just….lazily I guess. Mostly I thought it had quality Dungeons even if most of the field areas were weak.
Skyward Sword, now that is a bad game.
I thought Twilight Princess was a solid game, but its pretty low on my list of what Zelda games I like the most. Still never got around to playing Skyward Sword yet.
Twilight Princess is actually the first and only game I sold after a couple of weeks. It's a shame too, considering the Gamecube version is worth so much money now.
Tho…
I'd feel bad selling a game like that at a high price to anyone, even as a collector's item.
I hated the wolf and dark world stuff though.
Visually neat in cutscenes, and utterly wasted in actual gameplay since in wolf form you see mostly ground, and stay mostly in "bug sensing mode" which obscures the visuals anyway. So those parts were just sort of like running around in a disorienting dark blur.
Game would be improved immensly by cutting all that. Wolf included.
Good gimmicks:
-Fludd
-Wind Waker Boat
-Masks
Bad Gimmicks:
-Wolf form
-Twilight World
-Turning Star Fox into Furry jackoff material
-Motion Controls
The wolf form started feeling like a really unfinished feature after Link gains a bunch of abilities that made combat a bit less annoying. One thing that got on my nerves was constantly knocking down enemies and waiting for them to get back up.
@Monkey:
I really don't think Twilight Princess is bad. I guess maybe by Zelda standards sure, but mostly it was just mediocre.
It did the job, just….lazily I guess. Mostly I thought it had quality Dungeons even if most of the field areas were weak.Skyward Sword, now that is a bad game.
I didn't mind Skyward Sword that much, even though it was far from the best game in the series. I felt it focused more on the story, specially link's and zelda's relationship. It was kinda mushy, but I liked it, it felt refreshing to flesh out what was only hinted at other adult link games, where i felt zelda always seemed cold and distant. Also thought the consecutive boss battles for the hylian shield was pretty fun. I even ended up appreciating Ghirahim's character and role in the story, even if he irked me the first time I saw him.
I don't think it's a bad game, but as you said, by Zelda standards it's probably the worst in the series.
@Lans:
I didn't mind Skyward Sword that much, even though it was far from the best game in the series.
I only hesitate to say worst because Phantom Hourglass exists.
I felt it focused more on the story, specially link's and zelda's relationship.
What story? You mean the one crammed into several Zelda monologues near the end? Most of the game was ill defined questing for maguffins. It had the plot depth of the Oracle games outside that one relationship.
That one relationship which wasn't a whole lot more character wise interesting than any given Majora side quest.
where i felt zelda always seemed cold and distant.
So you haven't played Wind Waker I take it.
Also thought the consecutive boss battles for the hylian shield was pretty fun. I even ended up appreciating Ghirahim's character and role in the story, even if he irked me the first time I saw him.
It might be fun if it didn't expect you to take the same heart damage through the whole thing while also having terrible unfinished feeling controls that meant you lost hearts easily to stupid mistakes. The Girahim sword grabbing thing is 3D Sonic levels of embarrassing by Nintendo's standards, in terms of well pulled off controls.
The sword waving anoyed me, but it worked, except when Giharim wanted to take away my sword.
That opening just brings back so many memories for me. I'd load the cartridge and get swept away by the music. I love how depressing, yet somewhat uplifting it is.
I like that intro very much, it definitely has a sense of mystery and adventure. But I like way more the feeling from MM intro: Are you watching all those people? They are DOOMED.
What adds to the feeling is that every time you go back in time, you undo you what did. Meaning people's lives are gonna be…well, bad, again. :X
For this reason I really want to do the Romani side-quest (as it's really depressing to see what happens to the ranch) once I'm able to play MM on my Wii U, but I gotta find the darn Powder Keg first. I know you need Goron Link to get it.
I would always beat all the boss temples and complete all the Bomber's Notebook except for the Bomb Shop Old Lady and Madame Aroma for precisely this reason before going to the Moon.
@Monkey:
What story? You mean the one crammed into several Zelda monologues near the end? Most of the game was ill defined questing for maguffins. It had the plot depth of the Oracle games outside that one relationship.
That one relationship which wasn't a whole lot more character wise interesting than any given Majora side quest.
There are probably many other things more interesting character wise than SS, I agree. But to me, exploring said relationship in a different light than any other title from the series made it interesting.
@Monkey:
So you haven't played Wind Waker I take it.
Wind Waker is in fact my favorite of the series. That's why I said adult link games. I take it you missed that.
@Monkey:
It might be fun if it didn't expect you to take the same heart damage through the whole thing while also having terrible unfinished feeling controls that meant you lost hearts easily to stupid mistakes. The Girahim sword grabbing thing is 3D Sonic levels of embarrassing by Nintendo's standards, in terms of well pulled off controls.
I don't find the difficulty of mantaining the same heart damage or of the controls a reason to not enjoy it. You get the hang of it eventually, no need to let the frustration of the bad controls get to you.
I also think it's one of the worst games in the series, but that doesn't mean it can't have good points.
To each his own. Cheers.
@Lans:
There are probably many other things more interesting character wise than SS, I agree. But to me, exploring said relationship in a different light than any other title from the series made it interesting.
Honestly I think, as I said with the music, that it really plays with fan expectations way too closely after letting it sit for awhile. I enjoyed it at first, but in hindsight, a lot of those emotional moments with a more focused relationship seem really hamfisted in there without any actual development. Like I feel the game as a whole was built around fan service without the merits of actually trying to tie things into a neat package.
So outliers like Groose actually are the best part because they shine with individuality but everything firmly tethered to lore was a bore.
I don't find the difficulty of mantaining the same heart damage or of the controls a reason to not enjoy it. You get the hang of it eventually, no need to let the frustration of the bad controls get to you.
Yeah I didn't have any trouble with the motion controls either but when it seems like you had as much difficulty with it as Zeph seems to have obviously you're not going to be winning any points in your favor.
@Lans:
I don't find the difficulty of mantaining the same heart damage or of the controls a reason to not enjoy it. You get the hang of it eventually, no need to let the frustration of the bad controls get to you.
No I didn't lol.
It's funny Aonuma and Miyamoto Said that they couldn't imagine another Zelda game without Motion controls.
I don't think Zelda U has Motion controls (unless they are optional).
Zelda U will feature the same sword gameplay featured in Skyward Sword but instead of using a Wii remote, the motion controls will be provided by the Wii U gamepad so you can experience the cumbersomeness of using a broadsword in two hands with the precision of a surgeon with two broken arms!
@Purple:
Zelda U will feature the same sword gameplay featured in Skyward Sword but instead of using a Wii remote, the motion controls will be provided by the Wii U gamepad so you can experience the cumbersomeness of using a broadsword in two hands with the precision of a surgeon with two broken arms!
You know I could see them doing that. However I only say they will drop it because ALBW didn't use stylus controlle unlike PH and ST.
The good thing about the gamepad when it comes to zelda: it provides the increased accuracy for items like the bow and arrow, without also forcing you to wave your arms wildly when using the sword.
The good thing about the gamepad when it comes to zelda: it provides the increased accuracy for items like the bow and arrow, without also forcing you to wave your arms wildly when using the sword.
You seem so certain about that without thinking of the possibilities! Imagine, using the bow and arrow by pulling the bow and arrow back by pulling the gamepad back and releasing it by pushing it forward! Block puzzles now involves actual pushing! Also integration with the Wii Fit controller for more immersive gameplay. Link's Yoga training feat. the Wii Fit Trainer! The possibilities are endless!
And you haven't even considered Stylus Mode yet, where the stylus becomes your sword.
For $80 you can get the copy of the game that comes with a complimentary stylus shaped like the Master Sword, and every two hours it plays a recording of Fi going "MASTER! You've been out there for a while, don't you think it would be a good idea if you took a break?"
Skyward Sword is a game that loved nothing more than yanking control out of the hands of the player as much as possible.
I think the controls are more of a challange then the enemy's.
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This is cool
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This is cool
… Is that official? The logo on the left makes it look official...
If it is, that's just ANOTHER Majora tease... Nintendo... stop being coy about this...
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It is indeed official. It was posted on Nintendo of Japan's site in celebration of the Sumidagawa fireworks festival, apparently. There's supposed to be wallpaper versions of it for both PC and smartphones, but all of the links I tried just led to a "page not found". Boo.
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This is cool
Don't put on the mask!!
It is indeed official. It was posted on Nintendo of Japan's site in celebration of the Sumidagawa fireworks festival, apparently. There's supposed to be wallpaper versions of it for both PC and smartphones, but all of the links I tried just led to a "page not found". Boo.
That is the wallpaper version I'm sure. I mean it fits my monitor.
That is the wallpaper version I'm sure. I mean it fits my monitor.
I hadn't bothered to check the size of the full image, so thanks for the heads-up. Downloaded.
Haha these teases are just hilarious now (lovely wallpaper though!). Plus, the majority of it has been nothing but mask lately. The mask in ALBW, Zelda Williams at E3, now this.
If they ever announce that they're developing a remake, the only surprising thing was that it wasn't announced sooner.
And I need to stay away from you guys. The more you talk about games, the more I go back to playing said games. I toyed with the idea of buying Majora's Mask on the VC, and I would if it wasn't for my backlog.
@Mr.:
Haha these teases are just hilarious now (lovely wallpaper though!). Plus, the majority of it has been nothing but mask lately. The mask in ALBW, Zelda Williams at E3, now this.
Also the Majora's Mask soundtrack that was put on club nintendo a while back
Well I finally got all heart pieces in OoT, man that fishing game is annoying.
But I still gotta:
-upgrade bomb, deku nuts, arrow, etc. to the max level
-hunt down the poes in Hyrule for the last bottle (ugh)
-find 33 more golden skulltulas (double ugh….)
Also got the Mask of Truth.
I love the fishing mini games, actually
<– Big on fishing in general
If anything, a huge disappointment in Skyward Sword was the lack of a fishing game. The twilight princess wii version one was actually pretty damn fun, so I'm really surprised they didn't just bring it over.
@Purple:
I love the fishing mini games, actually
<– Big on fishing in generalIf anything, a huge disappointment in Skyward Sword was the lack of a fishing game. The twilight princess wii version one was actually pretty damn fun, so I'm really surprised they didn't just bring it over.
Instead we got a potentially cool big catching side quest that is actually just a rupee scheme.
@Monkey:
Instead we got a potentially cool big catching side quest that is actually just a rupee scheme.
Yeah, basically the same thing as the one in Twilight Princess except you get a net along with it, although at least Agitha gave out some larger wallets.
Well I finally got all heart pieces in OoT, man that fishing game is annoying.
But I still gotta:
-upgrade bomb, deku nuts, arrow, etc. to the max level
-hunt down the poes in Hyrule for the last bottle (ugh)
-find 33 more golden skulltulas (double ugh….)Also got the Mask of Truth.
Like I told Satsuki a few pages back, standing on top of the log that sticks out of the water makes the fishing mini-game ridiculously easy to beat. Also, like Hermit and Zeph, I also really enjoy spending time at the fishing hole.
Oh, and considering how far you seem to be in the game, you probably can't upgrade your Deku Nut carrying capacity anymore (unless they changed it in the 3DS version).
@Purple:
Yeah, basically the same thing as the one in Twilight Princess except you get a net along with it, although at least Agitha gave out some larger wallets.
Also the TP one had a finite feel so that you could feel like it was completed at some point. Same with the Skulltulas in OOT.
Shitty awards but at least it could be fun for just the sense of completion.
Which SS seems to be setting up in some way with the bugs….except nope!
Like I told Satsuki a few pages back, standing on top of the log that sticks out of the water makes the fishing mini-game ridiculously easy to beat. Also, like Hermit and Zeph, I also really enjoy spending time at the fishing hole.
Oh, and considering how far you seem to be in the game, you probably can't upgrade your Deku Nut carrying capacity anymore (unless they changed it in the 3DS version).
It's easy to miss one of the Deku Nut and Deku Stick upgrades though.
Also I enjoy the fishing games too.
It's usually the Deku Nut upgrade that you can miss, since that one hole in the Lost Woods where you show off the masks is empty until go in with the first mask (not that they give you any kind of hint).
There is both a nut and stick upgrade in that spot lol.
I don't think I've ever done that particular "mini-game", so that's why I don't remember that. :P
Besides, 20 sticks are more than enough to get you though the entire game. Hell, the initial 10 sticks are more than enough, as long as you remember to put them away as soon as you're done with them, so they don't burn up. Of course, that probably wouldn't matter to a completionist…
Yeah also 0 is more Deku Nuts than you ever need, but like you said completionism. Also Deku Stick upgrades could be really useful for someone trying to do a no-sword run. Broken Deku Sticks do tons of damage.
Yeah also 0 is more Deku Nuts than you ever need, but like you said completionism. Also Deku Stick upgrades could be really useful for someone trying to do a no-sword run. Broken Deku Sticks do tons of damage.
Ha! That's so true…
I actually normally use exactly one Deku Nut in an OoT run. I throw one at Gohma at the start of the battle.
I don't think I used even one Deku Nut during my recent MQ run. I just used the slingshot to smack Gohma off the ceiling as soon as it opened its eye and then went to town on it, mostly with jump attacks. If I recall correctly, the battle was over in two turns, maybe even one.
Gohma starts on the ground though (after the cutscene). So you can run in the room, stun it instantly, and then kill it.
Gohma can be beaten within 10 seconds using only nuts and sticks. One of the more pathetic bosses especially when compared to it's Wind waker counter part that lives in a pool of lava and is defeated by being repeatedly butt stomped by a dragon.
It's usually the Deku Nut upgrade that you can miss, since that one hole in the Lost Woods where you show off the masks is empty until go in with the first mask (not that they give you any kind of hint).
whoops. Ah well, not a huge deal. It feels more substantial to max out bombs and arrows instead.
whoops. Ah well, not a huge deal. It feels more substantial to max out bombs and arrows instead.
"Miss" doesn't mean "permanently miss." Well, I think in the original game you actually could, but I don't think that's true in recent ports.
Finally hunted down those damn big poes. Got all bottles!
@Foolio:
"Miss" doesn't mean "permanently miss." Well, I think in the original game you actually could, but I don't think that's true in recent ports.
I think it was corrected in the 3DS version, but I only managed to find the deku nut upgrade.
So… What's the deal with the Timeline?
I understand the need of the split, to have Ocarina of time have 3 different outcomes, even thoguh dead link event doesn't makes much sense in the "timetravel causes timelines" but in the "every decision makes a timeline".
I find it funny that the impa name is only passed down from the dead link timeline. And the only time that the triforce is seen outside it, is in Wind Waker. Besides Wind Waker, an Impa is in every game with the triforce in it… (Have to get to the Gannon fight again in Twilit Princess to remember this right, they had the marks but the triforce is supposed to be in the sacred realm still untouched)
Other thing that bothers me is what happens to the piece of courage when Link goes back to the past in ocarina of time, he can't take it with him because the triforce is complete in Wind Waker. Acording to the wiki, link going away caused the courage piece to break in 8.
I find it terribly sad, and somewhat insulting, that the defeat of Ganondorf at the end of ocarina of time, directly leads to the ruin of the kingdom of hyrule.
Small detail that if the "Link to the past" is supposed to be the same of the oracles and awakening games, then how come that in the 2th oracle game, Zelda introduces herself as it was their first meeting?
The placement of A Link between worlds was given between Link's Awakening and the First game, but it fails to make sense on the status of the triforce, as the game starts with it separated, but it was suposed to be united, ever since Gannon reunited it during his victory in OoT.
Also, Vaati survives in link dead and link missing timelines. So there's that.
And I'm grateful that both Skyward Sword and Oracle of Ages have stable time travel. For now.
And yes, I'm aware that I'm probably giving it more tought that Miyamoto did, but there's a japanesse intern somewhere who managed to make sense of this mess.
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I find it funny that the impa name is only passed down from the dead link timeline. And the only time that the triforce is seen outside it, is in Wind Waker. Besides Wind Waker, an Impa is in every game with the triforce in it… (Have to get to the Gannon fight again in Twilit Princess to remember this right, they had the marks but the triforce is supposed to be in the sacred realm still untouched)
Yeah I think in TP they explain it as some sort of divine prank or something like that but the triforce being out and about doesn't really make sense.
Other thing that bothers me is what happens to the piece of courage when Link goes back to the past in ocarina of time, he can't take it with him because the triforce is complete in Wind Waker. Acording to the wiki, link going away caused the courage piece to break in 8.
The wording the King of Red Lions uses is pretty much "lost the elements that made him a hero". Could be being sent back in time or reverted to childhood form, considering that the master sword sealed him til he was an adult, but I always figured it was because he just straight up disappeared from the timeline after the split timeline hijinx came into play.
I find it terribly sad, and somewhat insulting, that the defeat of Ganondorf at the end of ocarina of time, directly leads to the ruin of the kingdom of hyrule.
That was kinda the whole point of Wind Waker…?
The placement of A Link between worlds was given between Link's Awakening and the First game, but it fails to make sense on the status of the triforce, as the game starts with it separated, but it was suposed to be united, ever since Gannon reunited it during his victory in OoT.
Doesn't some stuff happen and like some crazy history explained in the manual of Adventure of Link where some king was a nice guy but his son wasn't so nice so the Zelda of that time knew the location but didn't tell her bro because he's a big jerk so he ended up cursing her to sleep til some guy with courage rescues her, which would be the history between ALBW and the first game?
Since it's probably the case they did the games first and the timeline after … I really would just say there's bound to be a lot of inconsistencies to make sense out of everything.
Frankly, my biggest bother is how Minish Cap was the origin story of the hat, but ... then in Skyward Sword that was supposed to be before it (and was made to be at the very beginning!) they just go fuck it and give him the hat anyway.
