@RobZilla:
Yeah, I just meant that he did (albeit accidentally) rebuild the spacey civilisation and stop the enemy space pirates.
Well yeah, nobody really has anything on Bentham when it comes to turnarounds lol
I did rather like Mr.3's moment at MF though, when he explained his motive for helping Luffy was in memory of Mr.2 and his sacrifice.
I also liked Mr.3's moments, especially since it was heavily implied he became part of Buggy's crew. Overall Impel Down did a lot of nice things with some existing character, introduced some fun new ones, and was very intense.
@Darth:
You know, I still tear-up a little watching his sacrifice in the anime. Even though I know he survives.
Bentham remains in my top 10 favorite pirates to this day, because of how selfless he is.
And there… another proof I'm not completly heartless.
Don't worry, I don't think you're heartless. You're just really invested in the Marines
@Daz:
Mafia don bondvillain Crocodile is the pinaccle of One Piece villainy and entertaining as all fuck, and I will hear no objections. And his deep trust issues, jaded attitude and nicely undisclosed backstory definetely made him more than 2D. If he'd had an Arlong-style gruesome visage and an on-panel murder of a named, beloved supporting character to his credit I'd bet an arm and a leg he'd never have resurfaced in his current role, and personally, I think his character would be better for it. Yeah, his character has been expanded, but it just feels so…needless. So superfluous. Crocs in-story purpose was as clear as can be in Alabasta, now he's just a fan-favourite resource Oda can reintroduce when needed.
It reminds me of something Kishi would do, and indeed kind of did in the Zombie War. Sometimes its okay to let people have just one focused, brilliant performance. I feel the same way about Vegeta, who never managed to be regain the entertainment value he had in the Sayan and Namek arcs.
But i already talked about this in the LoL thread, and thats a whole different discussion. I'm just happy that Arlong, Spandam, and Hody Jones at the very least are off the redemption-table.
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Mr 3 is one of the shining examples of character repurposing yielding amazing results, but that could be due to him never being that entertaining to begin with...
And Bon-Chan worked out in ID because Oda took what turned out to be the most fun aspect of his character, cranked it up to 11, and never ever ever brought up the fact that Bentham kinda had a huge role in fucking over Alabasta ever again (which felt kind of out of character, even then)
I didn't mind the Crocodile part, especially as at the time it was his chance to get out again as a second chance to get his dream completed. As for Bonclay, at the end of the Alabasta arc was where he redeemed himself, so that was why there wasn't any need to mention about what he did again.
@Pinelark:
I can hardly be mad at you for being passionate about a character xD.
I just disagree on the points you've brought up. Sanji, a strategist/martial artist, entered two fights where he had no idea what he was up against, and he entered both of them crippled. He was injured before he fought Vergo (not his fault), and he was injured before fighting Doflamingo (kind of his fault, though I'm willing to believe CoO can be distracted to the point of not being able to react, especially when he's got his #1 distraction in front of him).
He had no idea who Vergo was much less how proficient in armament the guy would be, and he had no idea that Doflamingo could just straight up stop him in mid air with strings. I don't lay the fault of these situations on Oda's writing of Sanji as a character. I lay the fault of these situations on Oda's inability to use other characters besides Sanji.
Am I being clear? My issue is not with how Oda writes Sanji's character, but rather that he only seems willing to put Sanji in these situations vs any other Strawhat. Sanji responds to all of these situations exactly how I would expect him to.
(Times I've had a problem with Sanji's character? When he couldn't get a grasp of his nosebleed problem and didn't show any real signs of trying to get it together.)
Don't know if anybody made the complaint on this forum, but I remember people complaining that Sanji didn't use his Diablo Jambe. My response "Do you want his to blow up the entire island with everyone with it?"
I believe Oda has something in store for Sanji to do something epic, him facing some of Big Mom's crew can possibly be foreshadowing that he will play a bigger role. I didn't mind the nosebleed gag, since it was mainly a joke used at the beginning of FI, and after that they didn't bring it up again, at least that I can remember.
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