In that case all of the Sins would need to be revealed before the spin-off starts. Which tbh I doubt is going to happen.
Seven Deadly Sins
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I have no basis for this but I think the spin off might just be about Arthur giving us more background and practically retelling the story of the sword from the stone.
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Nakaba is represented in the pig drawing. The guy in the picture is Hironobu Sakaguchi the guy that started the Final Fantasy games.
Thanks! Most of the time it's too hard to get pics of the mangakas.
Arthur's story would be nice to see. I also wouldn't mind to see the story of the previous holy war, but that won't happen soon. Or maybe the story of Merlin, who… will be introduced before September...
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Maybe it would be about the earlier days of Meliodas.
"Meliodas' Origins" very Marvel-like :P
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I've always loved Arthurian Legend– reading The Once and Future King right now-- but had mixed feelings about Arthur showing up the way he did. This chapter changed that a little bit with it being made clear that Hendrickson thought Arthur was holding back or hiding something and was therefore not going all out, while Arthur was going all out and still lost without really doing damage to Hendrickson. I liked that Merlin made the comments about gaining useful experience, but as this series' biggest struggle is with maintaining and portraying power levels I am a little thrown that this was supposed to be Arthur's first real sword fight, suggesting he has no actual combat experience despite how well he did.
Anyway, all this to say I'd definitely love to see an Arthur origins spinoff telling Merlin's story after she left the Seven Sins, but assume 'spinoff' means no Nakaba?
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I really like Arthur and how Suzuki handles him right now. Especially his inexperience and potential as a promise of who he can grow into and what role he will get to play considering how he immediately assumed the role of an apprentice to Meliodas' master.
What I don't like is everything concerning Gilthunder. He might have an agenda and determination but his blind stuborness overshadows it all. As emphasised by the absense of female entourage, lil' Gil suffers from the lack of charisma to pull off this kind of character which impacts everything around him. If it wasn't for Hendriksen, the numerous ongoing plots and the fresh impression from King's and Diane's stories, this would be a sad sight to behold.
Gilthunder is no Iai Banchou.
Anyway, all this to say I'd definitely love to see an Arthur origins spinoff telling Merlin's story after she left the Seven Sins, but assume 'spinoff' means no Nakaba?
Not neccessarily. And considering Bessatsu Shonen Magazine is a monthly publication, it is easy to see someone as productive as Suzuki to take the job himself. Although it is strange that spinoff will come out in such a niche magazine.
reading The Once and Future King right now
White is great. Love his take on Merlin in particular. Although as far as Arthurian myth interpretations go, I think I like The Mists of Avalon a bit more.
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What I don't like is everything concerning Gilthunder.
I think what bugs me the most is that we know the Sins were framed, yet Meliodas makes not attempt to clear things up with the son of the guy he supposedly murdered and betrayed. I get that Meliodas and the Sins have always had this sort of "if they hate us, they hate us" attitude and are doing good even if it paints them as the villains, but Gil is constantly bringing the topic up and Meliodas just ignores it to the point he even agrees to "fight to the death" over it. Why?
White is great. Love his take on Merlin in particular. Although as far as Arthurian myth interpretations go, I think I like The Mists of Avalon a bit more.
Yeah, Merlin and King Pellinore, what? Pellinore's duel with Sir Grummore was hilarious. After I finish White's stuff I'm going to finally read my Bernard Cornwell stuff (The Winter King, Enemy of God, Excalibur), then maybe check out his Robin Hood or Viking stuff if I like his style. I recall reading reviews about Mists of Avalon and many were high praise, mostly revolving around the political intrigue, but what initially put the book further down on my to-read list was that religion apparently plays a central role in the story, and while that in and of itself isn't an issue, how it is handled can easily make or break a book.
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I really like Arthur and how Suzuki handles him right now. Especially his inexperience and potential as a promise of who he can grow into and what role he will get to play considering how he immediately assumed the role of an apprentice to Meliodas' master.
What I don't like is everything concerning Gilthunder. He might have an agenda and determination but his blind stuborness overshadows it all. As emphasised by the absense of female entourage, lil' Gil suffers from the lack of charisma to pull off this kind of character which impacts everything around him. If it wasn't for Hendriksen, the numerous ongoing plots and the fresh impression from King's and Diane's stories, this would be a sad sight to behold.
Gilthunder is no Iai Banchou.
I read the first two paragraphs and then I instantly thought: there was a boring banchou portrayed as the typical bichounen character, what was it? (lol). Then I read Iai and I said: no way. Sure no way. Iai banchou was very interesting and overall with great self-determination. And I agree Gil is not really interesting, but Gil is not really a main character, and Nakaba doesn't matter too much about him neither. Now, this is a possible scenario about him: to his eyes, his father was killed by the sins, and (likely) his
mothermaster has brainwashing him since he was a little kid. That would explain his blindness. Now, with twisted characters like him, with a big internal conflict, the painful true and the ulterior solution could be great.But then, the question is why the
mothermaster is so blind? Now, to avenge Zaratras by killing the sins is one thing, and other different is to resurrect the Demon clan, so I wouldn't trust much on that lady.I think what bugs me the most is that we know the Sins were framed, yet Meliodas makes not attempt to clear things up with the son of the guy he supposedly murdered and betrayed. I get that Meliodas and the Sins have always had this sort of "if they hate us, they hate us" attitude and are doing good even if it paints them as the villains, but Gil is constantly bringing the topic up and Meliodas just ignores it to the point he even agrees to "fight to the death" over it. Why?
Meliodas agenda has been all the time: "First, let's find the other sins to clear what happened that day". With that in mind, when he has met little Gil, little Gil keeps being little. He looks at him as an enraged kid that won't reason no matter what he says. It's like: "first I have to be clear about it, to be able to restore the things properly, and you little brad will have to wait."
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Chinese scan of ch 81: http://www.mangabird.com/nanatsu-no-taizai-81
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! I guess it's about time the demons come in play seeing how Hendricksen just lost an arm.
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#81 is out
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/250448/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch81_by_red-hawk-neo! Was Gilthunder being possessed by a demon or whatever that thing was foreshadowed at some point? I can't seem to recall any such moment…
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#81 is out
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/250448/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch81_by_red-hawk-neo! Was Gilthunder being possessed by a demon or whatever that thing was foreshadowed at some point? I can't seem to recall any such moment…
I feel it's more like the spell was cast on Margaret, and Gil was being blackmailed by the lady kinght with the threaten on Margaret's life.
What a cliffhanger!
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I feel it's more like the spell was cast on Margaret, and Gil was being blackmailed by the lady kinght with the threaten on Margaret's life.
What a cliffhanger!
… Or he meant it metaphoricaly. I think he was just blackmailed with Margarets life.
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I thought of the spell as a metaphor. I think he was either being blackmailed or was referring to Meliodas proving himself a "hero" and freeing him from having to fight his idol.
I think that the reason that Meliodas doesn't clear things up properly is because he can't remember well what happened that day. He told Gil that he didn't kill his father but he doesn't know/remember much more than that since he needed Gowther's help just to remember Merlin attacking him.
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Its weird that Hendricksen seemed ignorant of the demon that was possessing the princess.
The sorcerer didnt reacted either to Meliodas aiming for it.
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I liked more when Gilthunder was an antagonist.
Just sayin.
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How did Meliodas know that the princess was coming? When did he know it in order to start preparing the attack?
It felt a bit convenint to me overall, unless I missed stuff here and there, which is entirely possible.
I guess Ukimix will sort any possible confusion with his indepth analysis!
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How did Meliodas know that the princess was coming? When did he know it in order to start preparing the attack?
It felt a bit convenint to me overall, unless I missed stuff here and there, which is entirely possible.
I guess Ukimix will sort any possible confusion with his indepth analysis!
It's implied on this page (or even shown?) that he heard her coming.
@KageKageKing:I liked more when Gilthunder was an antagonist.
Just sayin.
EDIT: Is that a tear on Gil's face in the last page?Yup, sure is. Gil was that moved.
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But according to Hendricksen, wasn't Meliodas already preparing the attack before the princess even appeared?
You make a good point there. Perhaps he was planning on targeting someone else and the monster "guarding" the princess just happened to be there at the right time? But even I don't really think so…
In that case I'm not sure how Meliodas knew about the curse. It will probably be addressed in the next chapter. -
How did Meliodas know that the princess was coming? When did he know it in order to start preparing the attack?
There wasn't much or anything prior to this chapter that I know of, and there should have been in my opinion, but at least within the chapter the sequence of events was: Hendrickson comments on Meliodas heightening his senses and power, then Meliodas hears the princess, then he prepares his attack, then he jumps in the air and spins away from the Holy Knights, the Holy Knights are surprised he turns around, Meliodas looks for something, says "There!!!", then attacks the demon.
As for the demon, my initial thoughts were that the demon forged some sort of contract back when he swore to protect the princess, and that contract is what slowly turned his heart.
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Hey guys, just thought I'd post this here:
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My two cents on ch 81
Was Gilthunder being possessed by a demon or whatever that thing was foreshadowed at some point? I can't seem to recall any such moment…
That's the question of the chapter and the new mystery to add to the list. We don't know the answer, but before discussing it a bid, lets first remember this scene:
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! Who would have said this knight was good? Seriously that little kid and all people of the town was heavily humiliated and terrified by Gil. I remember that when I read the first chapters I though: “of course he has that doll face to represent how despicable he could be”. Like when the authors draws a beauty face to make the reader wish someone to smashes to pieces. Well, nothing odd for Suzuki Nakaba who precisely did that with Shirobara Banchou in his previous Kongou Banchou (take a look at the master pages here and here).
! Anyway, Gilhunder seemed so damn barbaric and frivolous, that it’s almost unbelievable to think he now plays the good guy. Not even the murder of his father would explain it well. Well, yes, the death of a dear relative can ruin your life; but when that happens you don’t come back from the dark side that fast. Or at least that’s something I unhappily would have to give to the series as a given.
! Luckily (maybe) the spell is there to explain why. But, then, the one who was bewitched should have to be him, and not Margareth. That would fit much better with the change from Gil the evil bastard from chapter 2 to Gil the sudden loyal disciple of Meliodas.
! Yes, yes. But… Mel targeted a demon who was near to Margareth. So she could also be the bewitched one here in the assumption that Gil was being blackmailed surely by the tender levitating lady.
! Or as it was pointed before, maybe it’s just a metaphor. But being magic something that serious in the story I bet there is a true spell there.
! So we have at least, three options there and more chapters to read to know the true (God bless you r Nakaba). The first and the second one are the most solid. I’d prefer Gil to be the direct victim of the spell. Apart from from the fact that the demon was near to Margareth, there is no other reason to think she’s the victim.
! On the contrary, Gil being bewitched, now that he’s showing his true colours, would be the best way to solve an eventual plot hole. And we could add to the reason to suspect this is the true, the fact that the good Dreyfus, who admired his dear brother ended killing him for some vain glory. Ey, he also seemed to be a good guy in the past, and … Gowther found something nasty inside of his mind. Another mind-control spell? …
! Lastly I’m very very intrigued for the hooded mentor of Arthur. Is he Merlin, the floating sin? But he doesn’t seem to care much about Mel, now that he met him. Some week ago, I was wondering what his position about the holy war would be. And I thought that if he want his disciple to be the leader of Britannia (the region in which Lyonesse and Danafor and Camelot are located) that’s something similar to Hendricksen evil selfish wish to be the victor of the war. And since the evil side is lacking of powerful warriors maybe he will bring more problems to the good guys.
! A good chapter to me. I specially enjoy the way Nakaba draws really badass powers and blows. My favourite so far is Mel beating Griamor before the cup breaks against the floor, in chapter 28. This is similar to that one, (but not that good). I don’t buy the title yet: “Meliodas’s one attack”. What does that one attack means? (It wouldn't be a problem if Mel was preparing the attack before the arrival of the princess, since a skilled fighter can change the target with easy). It could be the author teasing us with something unsubstantial. But it would be really something if that blow thrown by Mel in the chapter, for instance, broke not only a Gil’s spell but the spell that had captives many knights in the kingdom (just a wild guess, Dreyfus included).
! Right now we are in a point in which the creative solutions are needed to solve the apparent holes or inconsistencies and some of the many mysteries. (Brennen's suggestion is suggestive). But I’m not tired at all of waiting for them, but as usual in the last weeks very intrigued.
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Raw of chapter 82 is out
! I would never thought that Hendricksen would be owned so bad
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chinese scans ≠ raw
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! I would never thought that Hendricksen would be owned so bad
! So… do we have a villain left? Because it looks like everyone is... dead. Or actually joined Sins side.
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! So… do we have a villain left? Because it looks like everyone is... dead. Or actually joined Sins side.
! Well, Hendrickson isn't dead yet. In addition to those healing orbs Jericho used on Geera, the female magician should be able to teleport him away, grab Elizabeth, perform the ritual, and revive the demon clan. Plus there are apparently demons still around, just not at full strength or something. We still have Dreyfus' dark side. As for non-villain issues to resolve, Ban will probably show up soon to kill Meliodas.
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Chapter is out on Batoto.
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^at least post a link then lol
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/251910/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch82_by_red-hawk-neoI can live with the explanation we got for Meliodas knowing about Gil's problem.
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^at least post a link then lol
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/251910/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch82_by_red-hawk-neoI can live with the explanation we got for Meliodas knowing about Gil's problem.
I can't do a copy-paste in AP for some reason. It works on any other forum (NF, etc.) but not here.
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Well, Gil's story and change of character was grasping at straws.
It seems Nakaba simply thought another role for Gil along the way. But at least he did it soon and not after 10 years like Kishimoto and his ridiculous spins.
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I'm happy with the solution. I think it's better if it was unpredictable, as long as it covers all the 'plot holes' about Gil.
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Gowther is tingling. Uh-oh…
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Gil almost wiped pout an entire village with his lance for no reason. Yeah.. I don't buy this turn around.
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@TLC:
Gil almost wiped pout an entire village with his lance for no reason. Yeah.. I don't buy this turn around.
I can buy that he almost destroyed a village for the sake of a woman. People have done worse things in the name of love. Helen of Troy for instance? Lol
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Unless he got a phone call from HQ telling him to "Hey! Spontaneously petty dick to random villagers- or we KILL THE WOMAN!" then no, this doesn't really fly.
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@Daz:
Unless he got a phone call from HQ telling him to "Hey! Spontaneously petty dick to random villagers- or we KILL THE WOMAN!" then no, this doesn't really fly.
Yeah, it was his call to wipe them out or not, there was nothing to indicate that he was being forced to wipe out random village A, not like the top brass would give a shit.
So he basically did it just to be a dick. Which goes completely against his Knight's creed.
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@TLC:
Yeah, it was his call to wipe them out or not, there was nothing to indicate that he was being forced to wipe out random village A, not like the top brass would give a shit.
So he basically did it just to be a dick. Which goes completely against his Knight's creed.
Well, if it went agains the Knight's creed, he should had to be forced to do it, so that it wasn't his call. But I agree there is some more explanation required. You're right the top brass really wouldn't care about it, specially if Hendricksen plan was unknown for Dreyfus; so he had to keep up appearances. The only solution would be the explanation of how the spell was working, but it seems there is no much more to explain about it neither.
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Yeah, this felt a bit like Violet's turnaround a bit. Nearly kicks Sanji to death –> Sanji "opens her eyes"--> She was the saintest person of the whole country and an inside agent all along and had planned to bet it all on the Strawhats.
We'll buy it cause it's not the most egregious thing ever, and "he was always under surveillance" saves his ass outta some muddy stuff he did, but acting like a dick against an entire village for no reason hardly seemed like an errand Hendricksen or Mask Magician asked him to do.
I can live with it, though. What I find harder to swallow, though, is how incredibly underwhelming Hendricksen was. He did nothing spectacular battle wise, didn't seem to possess any cool, unique ability (didn't Meliodas use some black flames similar to Hendricksen's already?) and as soon as Gil got pseudo-serious with him he got taken out in a matter of seconds like a bitch. Disappointing, really.
I hope the demons have some more meat to them, it seems the Holy Knights were, indeed, doomed from the very beginning.
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I'm just going to assume that Gilthunder is a dick who just happens to like Meliodas and want to bone the princess. The whole stop a villages water supply was probably just normal Gilthunder having a bad day and taking it out on a village.
And in fairness to Hendricksen, Gilthunder did blind side him with a surprise attack last chapter that cut off his arm, he stood no chance after that.
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I'll just say that masked woman watches Gil 24 hours a day to makes sure he acts like a dick when necessary. Speaking of which, where the hell did she go?
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I'll just say that masked woman watches Gil 24 hours a day to makes sure he acts like a dick when necessary. Speaking of which, where the hell did she go?
Letting the demons out, thus providing us with more villains?
And if she did observe him, that still does not explain his behavior. Everything both of Great Knights did was basicaly for Knights to be recognised as heroes of the land, by battling villains.
Isn't destroying innocent village just to be an asshole counterproductive, then? I can see it being done because a knight wanted to be an asshole, but I can't see it being ordered.
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Letting the demons out, thus providing us with more villains?
Yeah, how did she do that anyway, don't they need to sacrifice Elizabeth to release they or she can just summon small fries like that worm demon thing?
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Yeah, how did she do that anyway, don't they need to sacrifice Elizabeth to release they or she can just summon small fries like that worm demon thing?
Maybe agents that slipped through the cracks in prison?
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Well, Gil's story and change of character was grasping at straws.
It seems Nakaba simply thought another role for Gil along the way. But at least he did it soon and not after 10 years like Kishimoto and his ridiculous spins.
I don't think it was a change of mind from the author. After all this was hinted when we saw Gil and Margareth the first time. Mangaka love their twists and this one was quite well done so I'm pretty sure it was well prepared.
Is someone else intrigued by Gowther "Tingly" at the end or is just his usual weirdness ?
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Is someone else intrigued by Gowther "Tingly" at the end or is just his usual weirdness ?
No. When Gowther acts like this it means that there's something odd that is about to happen, and considering the next chapter's title…
People who really think Nakaba didn't plan Gil being a good guy from the start of the story are either blind or too naive. It's so obvious there was something wrong with Gil's attitude that I don't even know where to being to explain.
Just compare Gil's past relationship with Meliodas and the sins with his douche assholish personality, plus the "I'm stronger than all the sins" tantrum. Many times he looked like he was trying too hard to make himself look like a dick. Didn't the scene where he was holding hands with Margaret as the later kept cursing him with forced words called your attention at all? Cmon, you just don't hold hands with someone you hate from the bottom of your heart, unless you're doing your best in order to not sound suspicious.
Gil's actions to keep Margaret safe aren't any different from Guila working hard for her little brother. Just a while ago she was following Hendricksen's plan and had no qualms going sadistic towards former comrades that got in her way. After finding out the truth about her father she realized she was just being played by Hendricksen and her former master Helbram, and turned against them as she saw with her own eyes her superiors wouldn't even give a damn for the kingdom and the townsfolk, which almost killed her brother in the process if not for Diane.
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Like some people, the spear incident in chapter 3 is what bothering me in Gil's face turn. That was reckless of him since he couldn't know for sure that a seven sins (in this case Meliodas) would still be there to catch it.
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Like some people, the spear incident in chapter 3 is what bothering me in Gil's face turn. That was reckless of him since he couldn't know for sure that a seven sins (in this case Meliodas) would still be there to catch it.
Just look at his smile when Meliodas throws him back the spear. He KNEW it was him because Gil knows there's no other person apart of a Great Holy Knight who could pull out the sword. Hence why Gil smiled with satisfaction.
But lets just give him time to explain things, kai?
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No. When Gowther acts like this it means that there's something odd that is about to happen, and considering the next chapter's title…
People who really think Nakaba didn't plan Gil being a good guy from the start of the story are either blind or too naive. It's so obvious there was something wrong with Gil's attitude that I don't even know where to being to explain.
Just compare Gil's past relationship with Meliodas and the sins with his douche assholish personality, plus the "I'm stronger than all the sins" tantrum. Many times he looked like he was trying too hard to make himself look like a dick. Didn't the scene where he was holding hands with Margaret as the later kept cursing him with forced words called your attention at all? Cmon, you just don't hold hands with someone you hate from the bottom of your heart, unless you're doing your best in order to not sound suspicious.
Wait, who was trying not to sound suspicious to whom? I don't think Margaret knew there was a weirdass demon tailing her in order to blackmail Gil, so the scene read to me like she was cursing Gilthunder for being the scumbag traitor that he was, but couldn't bring herself to completely ignore her love for him. A tortured love, unless I'm misremembering it completely.
Anyway, Gilthunders reversal was only "foreshadowed" by how utterly predictable this trope is for his character archetype. With this newest chapter you can retroactively go back and re-interpret all his scenes all you want, but before this all his arrogant posturing about being better than the Sins/beating the sins came across as just that, arrogant posturing. Like a Byakuya.
And even if he was trying "too hard to keep up appearances and look like a dick even though he didn't want to" It still doesn't change that he imperiled the lives of hundreds of people, and Why? Seriously did his bosses even know random village A existed? How does this factor in to the blackmail scenario, which was appearantly the only thing restraining Totally Just and Knightly Gilthunder?
The saving grace is that everyone knew it was gonna happen, and that no one gives a rats ass about Gilthunder.