Also, was it ever mentioned, how Shanks got his Scar from BB?
Nope, but I would bet my left nut that it was done by a claw weapon.
Will Shanks die?
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I just got off the phone with Oda. Buggy has already killed Shanks off-screen and has taken his spot as a Yonko.
Let the era of Buggy commence.
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The only problem with this theory about BB killing Shanks it is the fact that it has became so damn obvious, and OP is everything except obvious.
If it happens we all will be like; yup, it finally happened just like everyone said 8 years ago.
Can't excpect something this obvious from the master of trolling Oda Sensei.
The thing about One Piece is, is that you can always know what the end result would be. But you would never have guessed the adventure and twists in-between.
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I just got off the phone with Oda. Buggy has already killed Shanks off-screen and has taken his spot as a Yonko.
Let the era of Buggy commence.
Well guess that solves it. Time to close thread! :happy:
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@Flipper:
The thing about One Piece is, is that you can always know what the end result would be. But you would never have guessed the adventure and twists in-between.
Nobody predicted Ace's death.
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Nobody predicted Ace's death.
We all knew he would get saved. We never really thought he would be living happily ever after.
Besides off the platform wasn't foreseeable. But the end result we had in mind was his removal from the platform.
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@Monkey:
Yes Shanks will die, and yes Blackbeard will be the one to cause it.
But why.
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We didn't knew. Anyone saying they did is talking out of their ass.
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Nobody predicted Ace's death.
If you want to play that game, everyone predicted Whitebeard's death. Let's say that One Piece is both predictable and unpredictable, which is good. Also, Merry, Ace and Wb final moments, all of them are part of One Piece greatest moments.
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I voted Shanks wouldn't die because I don't want him to xD
He is one of the best characters in this series consisting of many amazing characters.
Oda himself has pretty much said in one way or the other that Shanks IS his favorite character, too.If Shanks has to go, which I can definitely see happening, he will have the most amazing blast in his death. Bigger and better than anything else in the series.
I think Oda has to show in one way or the other the full capability of this Great Pirate who has been hyped to be one of the strongest characters in One Piece history (I'd say he IS the Strongest Character at the moment but I can see others jumping and yelping at this comment, so yeah that is just me).–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Shanks won't be fodderized, he won't need Luffy's help to be saved or anything, Shanks will not be off-screened.
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Shanks dying seems pretty much set in stone. I don't think the story could have any real closure without. I dunno, it just feels like it would be something Oda does. Probably to finally convince Luffy that Blackbeard is serious biz.
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Shanks doesnt have to die to make Luffy vs Teach dramatic. Their rivalry and shared ambitions about becoming PK and finding One Piece is enough. I would be more excited if they battled over One Piece on Raftel, rather than just a simple revenge motive. Reactions Shanks death would feel forced. Luffy already has a powerful urge for revenge against akainu, another avenge murdered friend-grudge would be unoriginal and tedious.
BB and sakazuki are two Big Baddies in the series and i would very much prefer if the battles had different motives.
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I hope everyone is excited for my "Obi Wan won't die" theory.
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@Monkey:
I hope everyone is excited for my "Obi Wan won't die" theory.
I am. Fire away.
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Hiko Seijuro lived in Kenshin. Why can't this happen in One Piece?
Shanks has already placed his bets on Luffy for the future…That's mostly me playing devil's advocate... I'm honestly on the fence about Shanks dying. While I totally see it from a story building point of view, I kind of find it cliche at the same time, so who knows what Oda will do...
They're the same VA so it must be true! Kidding.
I do think the relationship is a bit different, but I would be okay with either scenario happening, though I would prefer to see him die simply for the tearful moment. There's way too much emotion Oda can play off of with Shank's death: whether or not Luffy gives the hat back in the end while shanks is dying, what they say to each other before they part, Luffy's revenge fist (could be as good as WB vs. Akainu). I can't think of any emotional scenarios other than "You did it Luffy" - Shanks. It is Oda though, he can always surprise us with either ending, I'm sure there will be a good conclusion to Luffy's promise to Shanks and a better buildup than Ace for Luffy to have a reason to kill/defeat BB with or without Shanks involved. -
Shank's death by BB's hands sounds too predictable. I would not bet on it.
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Again, it would suck if the endgame of the story was simply two different revenge stories. we already got that with Ace-Sakazuki, dont need another one. Let them fight over One Piece, what could be more exciting than a final duel wich decides who becomes the next pirate king and obtains rogers treasure, wich the manga is NAMED after?
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@Monkey:
I hope everyone is excited for my "Obi Wan won't die" theory.
Sounds just as bad as the "Obi Wan AND Han Solo dies" you propose. How many good stories can you name wich culminates with the hero taking on two different revenge missions at the end?
Ace died, so that story element will be covered. We dont need another revenge story at the end of the series, because thats not what the manga is about. Its about luffy wanting to become pirate king. clashing with BB on raftel and fighting over the Pirate King title would make total sense and suit the theme of the story. -
Ace died, so that story element will be covered.
Ah yes, Ace, Luffy's wise more skilled adult mentor figure.
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Let them fight over One Piece, what could be more exciting than a final duel wich decides who becomes the next pirate king and obtains rogers treasure, wich the manga is NAMED after?
So here you are implying that Luffy's feelings to get revenge on Shanks would be greater than his wish to find One Piece? Nope, not going to happen. For all we know Luffy's reaction to Shanks' death could be entirely different than the reaction most of you are expecting.
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@Monkey:
Ah yes, Ace, Luffy's wise more skilled adult mentor figure.
MK, this is not Star Wars: a new hope. the mentor doesnt have to die. And Luffys true mentor is Rayleigh so what you are saying makes no sense anyways.
Master roshi lived through DBZ, just saying.
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@Monkey:
Yes they did guy who wasn't around back then.
Some did, some didn't. You very well know that every possiblity was named at least once. It's rather funny how you obviously avoide talking about the revenge part of DS's post. Won't fight the battles you could lose. Also Shanks is Luffys idol, not mentor.
Luffy already has a powerful urge for revenge against akainu, another avenge murdered friend-grudge would be unoriginal and tedious.
Totally agree with that. It would be sad if all of Luffy's motives changed to revenge, when he's just a simple minded guy in a comedy/action manga.
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So here you are implying that Luffy's feelings to get revenge on Shanks would be greater than his wish to find One Piece? Nope, not going to happen. For all we know Luffy's reaction to Shanks' death could be entirely different than the reaction most of you are expecting.
No i am saying the opposite. i agree with you. becoming pirate king and finding OP is more interesting than another revenge story,
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MK, this is not Star Wars: a new hope. the mentor doesnt have to die. And Luffys true mentor is Rayleigh so what you are saying makes no sense anyways.
Master roshi lived through DBZ, just saying.
No Shanks is the mentor FIGURE.
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Sounds just as bad as the "Obi Wan AND Han Solo dies" you propose. How many good stories can you name wich culminates with the hero taking on two different revenge missions at the end?
Ace died, so that story element will be covered. We dont need another revenge story at the end of the series, because thats not what the manga is about. Its about luffy wanting to become pirate king. clashing with BB on raftel and fighting over the Pirate King title would make total sense and suit the theme of the story.there are two primary antagnoists and each one will kill someone important to luffy. not just for emotional impact but to prove how powerful they are and to show luffys growth since he overcame obstacles that the people he looked up to could not.
its basic and effective story telling. it'll happen.
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Some did, some didn't. You very well know that every possiblity was named at least once.
You weren't there either. Jesus christ lol, everyone who wasn't there shut the fuck up about what people did or didn't do. Very simple concept here.
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No i am saying the opposite. i agree with you. becoming pirate king and finding OP is more interesting than another revenge story,
No, what I'm saying is that Luffy's feelings toward Shanks' death would not overcome his wish to find One Piece.
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@Monkey:
You weren't there either. Jesus christ lol, everyone who wasn't there shut the fuck up about what people did or didn't do. Very simple concept here.
People don't have to active to be around. MK, king of hubris.
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People don't have to active to be around. MK, king of hubris.
Ok so you exhaustingly looked through all the many many threads of the day, just looking, constantly, looking. Looking everywhere all the time.
And believe this is just the same as people who were heavily posting in those days before it happened.Or maybe you like any other long list of incompetents just really hate the idea that One Piece isn't random chaos.
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there are two primary antagnoists and each one will kill someone important to luffy. not just for emotional impact but to prove how powerful they are and to show luffys growth since he overcame obstacles that the people he looked up to could not.
its basic and effective story telling. it'll happen.
Yeah right, Blackbeard who has the most powerful logia and paramecia, took the spot of a Yonkou and amassed his own fleets needs to prove that he is one of the top characters of the OPverse. hahaha
@Monkey:
hate the idea that One Piece isn't random chaos.
Nah more like predictable chaos. You won't see me disagreeing that Ace's death was a good for Luffy's developtment.
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So, almost everyone agrees Luffy has to be a bit more like Sasuke in the "motivation" department.
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No, Shanks wont die, Luffy will save him. Thread should be closed.
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@Monkey:
No Shanks is the mentor FIGURE.
That you don't know what I'm talking about there means you're having trouble following me in the first.I dont think that is very relevant. You avoided the rest of my post and you stil havent explained why OP needs two revenge storys durinf the storys conclusion. The finale will be focused aroud one piece, the final goal of luffys journey since the first volume.
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I dont think that is very relevant. You avoided the rest of my post and you stil havent explained why OP needs two revenge storys durinf the storys conclusion. The finale will be focused aroud one piece, the final goal of luffys journey since the first volume.
Oh right, a large amount of people still think Akainu will be a final villain for Luffy and that Luffy has a huge vendetta against him that he has basically never shown. And his only reaction to Akainu since the time skip was mild anger and gripping his own wound.
As opposed to what an actual vendetta looks like.Of course you bring the unique twist of thinking Raftel is the finale, rather than what sets up the finale. And somehow seem befuddled at how Blackbeard could be both an object of revenge and the main villain on the other story counts.
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I don't see DollarScholar imply that Akainu would be the last.
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So Oda's just been hinting at Shanks vs. Blackbeard for years now for no reason? They're definitely going to clash and it makes much more sense for Blackbeard to win than for Shanks.
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But MK you act like you aready know the setup for the finale because you have figured out the secret formula for all shonen mamga. My opinion is that a revenge story would be far less interesting than if Luffy and Blackbeards rivalry developed through run ins and small confrontations in the new world arcs (like burgess in dressrosa). We could learn more about Blackbeard and make his character more interesting than just some cunning bad guy who believes im fate and apparently kills shanks.
Blackbeard and Luffy are both D,s and except for sharing that carefree attitude they are polar opposites of each others. A fight wich determines wich one of them becomes the pirate King will be fucking epic, you dont need shanks to die to make it interesting.
Authors in general regard revenge as an effective but cheap motive and try to avoid including too many revenge arcs in the same story. Palpatine/vader didnt kill Yoda to give luke a "better" motive to defy them. .
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Forget it Dollar! You know Zeppy never changes his mind. And he does make some good points too, you both do. But couldn't we all just agree that it's gonna happen really close to the end, if it does, and there are a lot of things that could happen in between to make it more or less plausible?
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I'm really at a 50/50 point here, and I only barely voted "no" (and I almost regret it) because Oda still seems to have an incredibly hard time killing off the characters even after Ace's and Whitebeard's deaths. The mentor arguments make fine sense to me, but there's still the thing about how their deaths were more or less the mid point of the series - Whitebeard's death marked a new era, and Ace's death was a benchmark for Luffy to get stronger. Shanks' death could have both effects, but going with the flow, he's not gonna dead any time soon. It'll be so late in the series that his death isn't going to leave a mark for hundreds of chapters. That little bit of subjectivity made me vote no. But I do think he'll be defeated and put out of the game at the end of the series.
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So Oda's just been hinting at Shanks vs. Blackbeard for years now for no reason? They're definitely going to clash and it makes much more sense for Blackbeard to win than for Shanks.
In which way has it ever been hinted on? They had a fight ten+ years ago, Shanks warned Newgate, but hasn't faced Teach since a past WB vs Red Hair skirmish. It's just as baseless as saying that Kaidou will kill Big Mam, since he's accumulate DF users, while she is losing money and ships. It's the perfect time for him to attack her right? :)
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In which way has it ever been hinted on? They had a fight ten+ years ago, Shanks warned Newgate, but hasn't faced Teach since a past WB vs Red Hair skirmish.
Heh, no wonder you can't see Shanks dying when you don't even catch the hints of him having an important fight against Blackbeard in the future.
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I asked where and you can't even point them out and instead try to attack me not catching hints you gimp. And don't come with some bs answer like "Yonkou fight all the time" or "BB wants to gain more territory".
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In which way has it ever been hinted on? They had a fight ten+ years ago, Shanks warned Newgate, but hasn't faced Teach since a past WB vs Red Hair skirmish. It's just as baseless as saying that Kaidou will kill Big Mam, since he's accumulate DF users, while she is losing money and ships. It's the perfect time for him to attack her right? :)
Not to interrupt, but in my opinion this would be the most obvious one, here you go.
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It was to early to fight everyone really strong, including Kaidou, Big Mam and the WG. He's gonna take all of them out?
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I asked where and you can't even point them out and instead try to attack me not catching hints you gimp. And don't come with some bs answer like "Yonkou fight all the time" or "BB wants to gain more territory".
Shanks vs Blackbeard is something that you should feel being built up since volume 45. Shanks is concerned with Teach's ascension, he is also concerned with the fate of this new age as well as Roger's duty and legacy. At one point he will either try to stop Blackbeard or Blackbeard and his crew will clash into him.
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It was to early to fight everyone really strong, including Kaidou, Big Mam and the WG. He's gonna take all of them out?
Well to be fair, Blackbeard wasn't mentioned to having fought/scar Kaidou, Big Mam or anyone in the WG.. well at least not that we know of right now.
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and they are looking at each other in that new world colorspread
with blackened eyes!
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Im sure he will die, blackbeard already told its too soon to fight him,indicate they will fight and shanks will die in the end
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All men must die
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Not to interrupt, but in my opinion this would be the most obvious one, here you go.
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Oh yeah I completely forgot that one! Guess they're gonna fight after all.
Tough I'm still not completely convinced that Shanks is gonna die. One Piece and all… :ermm:
