Anyways no offense but I don't want to argue for the sake of arguing and this conversation seems to be heading that way.
Yeah, it definitely is. Well as long as you don't claim that Luffy isn't gonna fight Akainu that's good enough for me.
Anyways no offense but I don't want to argue for the sake of arguing and this conversation seems to be heading that way.
Yeah, it definitely is. Well as long as you don't claim that Luffy isn't gonna fight Akainu that's good enough for me.
While I do believe Akainu can apply CoA to his magma, I believe that his magma is also much hotter then regular magma. My reasoning? The way he effortlessly burned through the rocks, after Whitebeard threw him down that chasm.
It is also highly doubtful that Sabo would surpass Ace mastery of Mera Mera no Mi, considering the latter had it for years, and did not manage to create any fire except for the orange one.
@bolded Agreed, but I don't see Sabo fighting Akainu with Fire, but rather CoA and Fire - I mean Luffy's rubber and that doesn't seem like a better option unless CoC becomes something more. Anyways, I only pointed out that it seems almost symbolic for a rematch between Fire and Magma, especially when it's another brother we thought was dead. Except this time the Flame user is shown to be very good at CoA.
I do not see Akainu as a evil person, but rather amoral and obsessed one. He is also, on deeper, philosophical level, antithesis to Luffy's freedom. And it has been said by Don Chinjao that one needs to defeat Admirals and Yonkou before rising to the top.
@bolded Agreed. But do you mean this one?
[hide][/hide]Seemed like he was only talking about the Yonkou.
We didnt seen till date DF power attack imbued with haki when it comes to logia if I am not mistaken or some paramecias like Laws and Fujitoras.
To coat fire, ice, gravity, ope ope cutting power with haki seems to be impossible as for what was shown for now. I mean Akainu surely can use CoA but he should be able to use CoA in some close combat mostly, not on his attacks where he just sprouts magma everwhere and it looses shape and/or connection to his body.
See here, my theory is that only elemental attacks that posses actuall mass and are in solid/semi-liquid state can be enhanced with Haki, like ice and magma, and at the same time, I would suggest that this principle does not hold in case of gas based/energy based logias. My reasoning behind it is that we've seen projectiles being enhanced with haki, and so it would logicaly work for those logias that can use their powers in similar way.
Because we have not seen logia with those properties fight seriously after timeskip, I think it is highly inconclusive whatever one of them used Haki to enhance their attacks, since Haki was not visible back then.
As for heat of magma- I think that Akainu is veteran after few decades of fighting and he has his fruit for many years, he is an admiral so he is at peak of power that individual can hold.. Devil fruit power was said to be getting stronger with users overall growth and training and I would say he started up from "normal magma heat" that you are reffering to. During war he evaporated part of Whitebeards face without touching it as it looked in the manga he surely is as hot as magma or any melted material possibly can get.
It may very well be true. Altough he is still much less effective then he should be.
Sure as hell you are downgrading Ace who created Entei at end of fight with Blackbeard- a white-sun like fire, not "just orange one". Given more time and development of growth, overall strength it might be possible for Sabo to get over point of where Ace was and get more heat out of fire logia than Akainu is getting from magma thus ending up in burning Akainu. Its all assumption yet fire by definition as form of energy can get higher temperature than material-like magma that is heaten up, melted rocks.
Forgot about Entei, but are we sure it was white? Anime portrays it as such, but they are known for color inconsistency. Perhaps digitaly colored manga page could answer that?
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@bolded Agreed, but I don't see Sabo fighting Akainu with Fire, but rather CoA and Fire - I mean Luffy's rubber and that doesn't seem like a better option unless CoC becomes something more. Anyways, I only pointed out that it seems almost symbolic for a rematch between Fire and Magma, especially when it's another brother we thought was dead. Except this time the Flame user is shown to be very good at CoA.
As I said above, I do believe that something that posseses no solid form, like fire, cannot be enhanced by haki.
Also, we cannot exactly tell if Ace possed haki, now, can we? It was invisible back then.
@bolded Agreed. But do you mean this one?
[hide]http://d220.diamond.fastwebserver.de/series/OnePiece/0717-003.pnghttp://d220.diamond.fastwebserver.de/series/OnePiece/0717-004.png[/hide]Seemed like he was only talking about the Yonkou.
Nah, I had this one in my mind. It ties to it.
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See here, my theory is that only elemental attacks that posses actuall mass and are in solid/semi-liquid state can be enhanced with Haki, like ice and magma, and at the same time, I would suggest that this principle does not hold in case of gas based/energy based logias. My reasoning behind it is that we've seen projectiles being enhanced with haki, and so it would logicaly work for those logias that can use their powers in similar way.
Because we have not seen logia with those properties fight seriously after timeskip, I think it is highly inconclusive whatever one of them used Haki to enhance their attacks, since Haki was not visible back then.
Forgot about Entei, but are we sure it was white? Anime portrays it as such, but they are known for color inconsistency. Perhaps digitaly colored manga page could answer that?
Sentomaru is presumably proficient haki user from what it was hinted at. Kizaru gotten show-off few chapters before and after Sentomaru. Haki at that time was not clearly visible, just indicated.
Now Oda added hardening and in meantime he hinted at haki usage at occasions- sparks when Luffy KOed pacifista with a punch looking alike to sparks around Jozu blocking Mihawks slash at Whitebeard. So Kizaru not imbuing his non-material attacks with haki as it seems to fit with what you pointed out about only material projectiles being possibly imbued with haki.
But its dicussion for haki thread and not this one I think.
Aces Entei was made to be alike sun, so I assumed that it was white hot. Lets just wait for new chapter to come out.. This thread already crossed 100 pages so not much to talk about.
I sure do wonder how Oda will end next chapter before another break and how close I was 2 weeks ago to predicting what Doflamingos Bird Cage was..
While I do believe Akainu can apply CoA to his magma, I believe that his magma is also much hotter then regular magma. My reasoning? The way he effortlessly burned through the rocks, after Whitebeard threw him down that chasm.
Dude. Are you joking? If Akainu could apply Haki to his devil fruits creation, no wait anyone, that would be so overpowered.
For one and pretty much making Kizaru seen as easily able to defeat Akainu and other Admirals.
Why do you think Z said he relies on his Devil fruit too much.
Why do you think a man at Admiral level couldn't harm Marco when he was in his full phoenix form? Yet Garp could come in and hit him by punching.
That alone is enough reasoning, because Kizaru would have destroyed Marco if he could apply Haki to his light.
You'd think that Ace if he had Haki would have used it against Blackbeard. If he does actually have it then explain why he couldn't harm blackbeard by actually injuring him (Blackbeards wierd Logia and pain don't count)
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@Light:
Yeah, it definitely is. Well as long as you don't claim that Luffy isn't gonna fight Akainu that's good enough for me.
I can't see why Luffy and Akainu can't meet. I mean if Sabo fights Akainu it's not a final death match showdown, Akainu is not going to die as he will have more and different opponents. The fight would probably get interrupted but if it were to happen, you would see Sabo actually putting up a fight instead of Aces performance.
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Holy crap i unleashed Darth. He's taking everyone on.
@Flipper:
Dude. Are you joking? If Akainu could apply Haki to his devil fruits creation, no wait anyone, that would be so overpowered.
For one and pretty much making Kizaru seen as easily able to defeat Akainu and other Admirals.
Why do you think Z said he relies on his Devil fruit too much.
Why do you think a man at Admiral level couldn't harm Marco when he was in his full phoenix form? Yet Garp could come in and hit him by punching.
That alone is enough reasoning, because Kizaru would have destroyed Marco if he could apply Haki to his light.
You'd think that Ace if he had Haki would have used it against Blackbeard. If he does actually have it then explain why he couldn't harm blackbeard by actually injuring him (Blackbeards wierd Logia and pain don't count)
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I can't see why Luffy and Akainu can't meet. I mean if Sabo fights Akainu it's not a final death match showdown, Akainu is not going to die as he will have more and different opponents. The fight would probably get interrupted but if it were to happen, you would see Sabo actually putting up a fight instead of Aces performance.
Most of Ace fight was off paneled. He seen glimpses and then Van Augur commented on Aces incredible fighting power outside of his devil fruit.
Dont jump the shark here- its really not a place I think. Haki thread I suggest.
Most of Ace fight was off paneled. He seen glimpses and then Van Augur commented on Aces incredible fighting power outside of his devil fruit.
Dont jump the shark here- its really not a place I think. Haki thread I suggest.
Yeah Haki thread. Although this thread becomes the Random Discussion Thread all the time tbh.
@Flipper:
Dude. Are you joking? If Akainu could apply Haki to his devil fruits creation, no wait anyone, that would be so overpowered.
For one and pretty much making Kizaru seen as easily able to defeat Akainu and other Admirals.
Why do you think Z said he relies on his Devil fruit too much.
Why do you think a man at Admiral level couldn't harm Marco when he was in his full phoenix form? Yet Garp could come in and hit him by punching.
That alone is enough reasoning, because Kizaru would have destroyed Marco if he could apply Haki to his light.
You'd think that Ace if he had Haki would have used it against Blackbeard. If he does actually have it then explain why he couldn't harm blackbeard by actually injuring him (Blackbeards wierd Logia and pain don't count)
How nice of you, not reading all my posts and yet calling me out.
@Flipper:
Dude. Are you joking? If Akainu could apply Haki to his devil fruits creation, no wait anyone, that would be so overpowered.
For one and pretty much making Kizaru seen as easily able to defeat Akainu and other Admirals.
Why do you think Z said he relies on his Devil fruit too much.
Why do you think a man at Admiral level couldn't harm Marco when he was in his full phoenix form? Yet Garp could come in and hit him by punching.
That alone is enough reasoning, because Kizaru would have destroyed Marco if he could apply Haki to his light.
You'd think that Ace if he had Haki would have used it against Blackbeard. If he does actually have it then explain why he couldn't harm blackbeard by actually injuring him (Blackbeards wierd Logia and pain don't count)
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I can't see why Luffy and Akainu can't meet. I mean if Sabo fights Akainu it's not a final death match showdown, Akainu is not going to die as he will have more and different opponents. The fight would probably get interrupted but if it were to happen, you would see Sabo actually putting up a fight instead of Aces performance.
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Holy crap i unleashed Darth. He's taking everyone on.
you're an idiot, of course you can imbue haki into devil fruit, both Paramecia and Zoan have been shown to do so, We haven't seen a logia do it, but most assume we saw Akainu Kizaru and Crocodile do it. Furthermore Marco who has a body consistency of a Logia used Haki in his "fluid" form.
Z is non canon, but eitherway, he said that because he kept jumping everywhere and avoiding hand to hand combat.
Who Didn't harm Marco? oh yeah it must be someone else that heals himself, totally makes sense, also makes sense to compare a laidback dude to a mountain crushig punching man. yo great visive skills man.
Ah yes tell me more, Marco obviously is some fodder, kk man. He is defently not the one to have been mentioned to be almost on par with the other yonkous for the taking down of BlackBeard, ok man.
Ace had haki, it's pretty obvious, since he had conqueror haki as a child, it just probably wasn't invented at the time.
@LordEnel:
you're an idiot, of course you can imbue haki into devil fruit, both Paramecia and Zoan have been shown to do so, We haven't seen a logia do it, but most assume we saw Akainu Kizaru and Crocodile do it. Furthermore Marco who has a body consistency of a Logia used Haki in his "fluid" form.
Z is non canon, but eitherway, he said that because he kept jumping everywhere and avoiding hand to hand combat.
Who Didn't harm Marco? oh yeah it must be someone else that heals himself, totally makes sense, also makes sense to compare a laidback dude to a mountain crushig punching man. yo great visive skills man.
Ah yes tell me more, Marco obviously is some fodder, kk man. He is defently not the one to have been mentioned to be almost on par with the other yonkous for the taking down of BlackBeard, ok man.
Ace had haki, it's pretty obvious, since he had conqueror haki as a child, it just probably wasn't invented at the time.
On of most derpy posts I seen on AP forums in many weeks if not months.
You start a post from calling somebody an idiot while your explaination on how you see things makes person wonder if you already can buy cigs yourself.
Man.. Irony when you dont have stuff figured out as good as person you are quoting looks really bad.
I known you till now for your Doula Mongo but now nr1 thing is just how stupidly you attacked Flipper Pride.
At least chill before you reply.
On of most derpy posts I seen on AP forums in many weeks if not months.
You start a post from calling somebody an idiot while your explaination on how you see things makes person wonder if you already can buy cigs yourself.
Man.. Irony when you dont have stuff figured out as good as person you are quoting looks really bad.I known you till now for your Doula Mongo but now nr1 thing is just how stupidly you attacked Flipper Pride.
At least chill before you reply.
What? I read everthing here, this is the first post that I felt deserved my answer. An idiot is not really an offence, as in baka, judging my answer, as childish, that what you mean right the with cigs comment? Is weird, I just gave my opinion, you, me, darth, or that other guy, none can judge, because there is no everlasting answer, we are just assuming and speaking out of fantasy, since oda is not here to tell us who is right and who is wrong.
I found his post to be stupid, or better, very superficial, and I gave my answer, all we are doing here anyways is trying to post as much as we can trying to make everyone believe what you wrote is the right thing, and the guy that posted above is wrong, everyone has its own way as well. That was mine, I'm sorry if you were offended.
@LordEnel:
What? I read everthing here, this is the first post that I felt deserved my answer. An idiot is not really an offence, as in baka, judging my answer, as childish, that what you mean right the with cigs comment? Is weird, I just gave my opinion, you, me, darth, or that other guy, none can judge, because there is no everlasting answer, we are just assuming and speaking out of fantasy, since oda is not here to tell us who is right and who is wrong.
I found his post to be stupid, or better, very superficial, and I gave my answer, all we are doing here anyways is trying to post as much as we can trying to make everyone believe what you wrote is the right thing, and the guy that posted above is wrong, everyone has its own way as well. That was mine, I'm sorry if you were offended.
By cigs I meant that person of age can buy cigs, under age cant - so yea - childish. Just dont call people idiots at start of post. Some people might take it in very offensive way and surely its not best way to get into argumentation.
As for rest of post - what you pointed out was up to depate as its like you said- no clear answers yet for many questions but its not as clear as you put it. Check on few posts above.
Sorry to react like that but I hate when person jokes over other person or/and starts post by calling names and then proves that he/she also doesnt get full picture yet.
"Baka" would sound way less harsh. Thats all.
Ofcourse Akainu can use haki smh just becuase u cant see it so clearly as when it looks like iron doesnt mean its not there, u cant survive in the new world without it, otherwise he would just be like Caribou who got his ass whooped by just Big Moms underling
We didnt seen till date DF power attack imbued with haki when it comes to logia if I am not mistaken or some paramecias like Laws and Fujitoras.
Smokers elbow and fist attacks against Vergo were clearly armament haki imbued, since it's smoke inbetween his fist and body.
I will just point out that anyone believing that the admirals aren't using CoA against NW pirates is an β¦, the thought of them not being able to is just that ridiculous and moronic.
Aces Entei was made to be alike sun, so I assumed that it was white hot.
Since our sun is
, as so many documentaries falsely depict them as, his attack should be white as well.And its explanation to me or do you agree on that?
Agree, do I do that that rare? :P
@Flipper:
Why do you think a man at Admiral level couldn't harm Marco when he was in his full phoenix form? Yet Garp could come in and hit him by punching.
It was to show us what kind of monster Garp actually is, not that the admirals couldn't use haki themself, as they have already shown by defending against the shockwave some chapters before.
Smokers elbow and fist attacks against Vergo were clearly armament haki imbued.
I will just point out that anyone believing that the admirals aren't using CoA against NW pirates is an β¦, the thought of them not being able to is just that ridiculous and moronic.
And I will only point out that all I seen here is that some logias and paramecias cant imbue non-material attacks with usage of DF so to say. Example being Kizaru not being able of adding haki to his "laser" shots.
If he could do it then he would presumably made Hawkings full of holes right away.
Or we would see any signs of Marco getting damaged by his attacks beside some cheeky comment from Marco.
I didnt mean that logias cant use haki. Thats some bad reading skills Schabrak, unlike you. Dig into my post instead of quoting out of whole context what you disliked.
Its a waste of time to quote a bit without next 2 lines that explain my point not to mention rest. You also discredit me as a poster quoting only bit as some people might not look up to what I wrote and see only your criticizm.
So be nice enough not to be lazy and to read whole posts.
Since our sun is white and not yellow, as so many documentaries falsely depict them as, his attack should be white as well.
And its explanation to me or do you agree on that?
Marco's ability would allow him to recover and heal real wounds too. And Kizaru fought non-NW pirates, so he had no reason or didn't even want to use haki against them to avoid killing them, allowing the marines to capture them.
Let me disagree with the rest too.
I mean that Zoans and Paramecias like Luffy, Jozu, Daz Bones and likes of them can imbue CoA to their devil fruit usage while logias have some limitations, paramecias like Laws and Fujitoras probably cant be boosted by haki.
To coat fire, ice, gravity, ope ope cutting power with haki seems to be impossible as for what was shown for now. I mean Akainu surely can use CoA but he should be able to use CoA in some close combat mostly, not on his attacks where he just sprouts magma everwhere and it looses shape and/or connection to his body.
Smoker's smoke can become solid as we have seen during his very first appearance. :P
I hope Law and Fujitora can enhance their powers with haki too, as they would have reached their limit quiet fast despite their hax abilities.
The elements are still part of their "bodies", so why should it be impossible to do so? Borsalino's light sword became solid, not simple light, Kuzan's ice sword was solid just as his attacks are solid, why shouldn't they be able to enhance those too? Haki arrows from the amazons were still imbued, so why should stuff that's not directly connected to their bodies not be allowed to still be imbued with haki? It's the very same concept.
@LordEnel:
Z is non canon, but eitherway, he said that because he kept jumping everywhere and avoiding hand to hand combat.
I would say Zed the character is canon, even if the plot of the movie wasn't, yet his connection to the seventh and new shichibukai confirms him to be real somehow.
Marco's ability would allow him to recover and heal real wounds too. And Kizaru fought non-NW pirates, so he had no reason or didn't even want to use haki against them to avoid killing them, allowing the marines to capture them.
Let me disagree with the rest too.
He aimed at Hawkings face at the end and it was hinted he wants to kill him.
After dolls limit ended for Hawkings next attack from Kizaru burned through his body and Hawkings fallen on the ground, why to shoot him again to the face then Einstein?
If Kizaru would imbue haki to shoots he made at Hawkings then it would go around his ability and send him at ground right away, not after multiple shots.
I expect material objects or attacks to be possibly imbued with haki. Not for example pure flame attack or Kizarus light. Or Laws invisible cutting power same as Fujitoras gravity.
If Law would be capable of imbuing his cutting power with haki he would kill Vergo by cutting him in half.
As for Smokers example you have with his elbow n stuff getting covered with haki- if you would care to read post I wrote that for logia to imbue attack with haki imo it must reform to shape of body part.
You are time waster with how inaccurate your replies are today so this would be about all I have to say in this regard.
Giving the attack the form of a body parts, doesn't take away from it being purely that element at times. Lava, water, ice, sand, fire, gas, smoke etc fists, are still lava, water, ice, sand, fire, gas, smoke etc. Logia users are or can still be their element, no matter their shape.
Maybe haki also allows him to enhance the attack, not just make it possible to cut DF users.
@Portgas-D-Ace:
I can set it up again but it will probably be just us playing.
EDIT: Couldn't resist and set it up again. I must hate myself.
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Oh well... it's harder than I expected. Thanks for trying krule274.
No problem. Honestly, how did they expect you to get cloud cutter?
@krule274:
No problem. Honestly, how did they expect you to get cloud cutter?
Yeah it was tough, but I have to admit that I badly need to read Skypeia again. There are so many details I forgot about that arc. Your word was Visual Den Den Mushi. I don't know why my mind froze while drawing it. Couldn't remember how it looked like, and I forgot that I could have hit the hint button to reveal the first letter of the word. Or I could have skipped. Totally dropped the ball on that one. Next time I set up a room, I'll set the level at easy (it was on normal). Don't think it'd be fun it unless more people join, though.
@Portgas-D-Ace:
Ok I'm creating a room at http://www.isketch.net/isketch.shtml. No registration is required. Just enter a username. You may leave the password field blank. Scroll down the rooms list to the very end and you'll see the One Piece! room. Hope we have at least 5 players. Everyone is of course welcome.
EDIT: Done.
EDIT 2: Room still empty. Gonna keep the room up with Law's Ope Ope power for 30 more minutes.
EDIT 3: Someone joined but quickly left. Woe is me.
EDIT 4: Someone named Buggy's joined but left quickly without drawing. Energy for Room almost drained up.
EDIT 5: Room closed. Worst 30 minutes of my life. Except for that time when a nail kissed my radius bone. Both were experiences worth having though.
I know I'm late to the party, but I'd like to play some time. I registered with same name.
I know I'm late to the party, but I'd like to play some time. I registered with same name.
Oh, great that's nice to hear! My handle is Asce by the way. Well I'll probably be creating a room every Sunday from as from noon GMT, or anytime you feel would be better. Coordinating the games is the real challenge so maybe I should create a thread for that. What do you think?
He aimed at Hawkings face at the end and it was hinted he wants to kill him.
After dolls limit ended for Hawkings next attack from Kizaru burned through his body and Hawkings fallen on the ground, why to shoot him again to the face then Einstein?
If Kizaru would imbue haki to shoots he made at Hawkings then it would go around his ability and send him at ground right away, not after multiple shots.I expect material objects or attacks to be possibly imbued with haki. Not for example pure flame attack or Kizarus light. Or Laws invisible cutting power same as Fujitoras gravity.
If Law would be capable of imbuing his cutting power with haki he would kill Vergo by cutting him in half.As for Smokers example you have with his elbow n stuff getting covered with haki- if you would care to read post I wrote that for logia to imbue attack with haki imo it must reform to shape of body part.
You are time waster with how inaccurate your replies are today so this would be about all I have to say in this regard.
Didn't Law inbue haki into his attack to be able to cut Vergo?
I assume used all he had, including haki.
@LordEnel:
Didn't Law inbue haki into his attack to be able to cut Vergo?
I think in the room, Law is capable of almost anything. You can say he is god when he has room up. If he did use haki his sword would at least turn into armament like how Smoker's seastone trident turns armament too. I don't think perception haki is enough to cancel out armament since it is a higher tier of haki.
How nice of you, not reading all my posts and yet calling me out.
I've read it and all I've had to read was apply Haki to his magma. I know you said maybe but come on.
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@LordEnel:
you're an idiot, of course you can imbue haki into devil fruit, both Paramecia and Zoan have been shown to do so, We haven't seen a logia do it, but most assume we saw Akainu Kizaru and Crocodile do it. Furthermore Marco who has a body consistency of a Logia used Haki in his "fluid" form.
Z is non canon, but eitherway, he said that because he kept jumping everywhere and avoiding hand to hand combat.
Who Didn't harm Marco? oh yeah it must be someone else that heals himself, totally makes sense, also makes sense to compare a laidback dude to a mountain crushig punching man. yo great visive skills man.
Ah yes tell me more, Marco obviously is some fodder, kk man. He is defently not the one to have been mentioned to be almost on par with the other yonkous for the taking down of BlackBeard, ok man.
Ace had haki, it's pretty obvious, since he had conqueror haki as a child, it just probably wasn't invented at the time.
Umm. Maybe you should re-read what i said and read read the manga again..
For 1 i said FULL phoenix form, when Marco interrupted and got injured he was NOT in hs full phoenix form..
Note how Kizaru attacked Marco in his full phoenix form yet he was not able to touch him with Yasakani no Magatama..
Secondly.. It is exactly my point. Only Paramecias and Zoans are shown using Armament Haki on their devil fruit NOT a Logias CREATION.
I added quite clearly "creation" because THAT means that if they produce a substance like magma or fire etc. It CANNOT be imbued with Armament Haki.
So please read the technicalities of my writing instead of bluntly replying like Im trying to start something here.
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Smokers elbow and fist attacks against Vergo were clearly armament haki imbued, since it's smoke inbetween his fist and body.
Schabrak you just proved my point even more and this is why.
Smoker if my memory sevrves me correctly, He activated Haki BEFORE he launched it off.
Smoker or any Logia that you can replace with cannot create a substance or element and activate armament Haki onto it.
For example. Smoker cannot create 10 fists and activated armament Haki on the ones created.
That arm you see there is his physical body not his created part.
Another example is, The fire fist or Magma fist cannot be imbued with Haki because it's their element they created it's not their physical body.
And I will only point out that all I seen here is that some logias and paramecias cant imbue non-material attacks with usage of DF so to say. Example being Kizaru not being able of adding haki to his "laser" shots.
If he could do it then he would presumably made Hawkings full of holes right away.
Or we would see any signs of Marco getting damaged by his attacks beside some cheeky comment from Marco.
Both of these guys actually get hit by the attack though, haki or not. Marco takes damage and then heals it. Hawkins basically transfers damage to someone he's got a doll of β¦ Using haki won't nullify these abilities.
If he created ten fists that he still controlled, they certainly would still be part of his body. Maybe he can imbued them, maybe he can't. We do not know as of now.
I imagine you can coat a fire punch in haki but it won't burn since he is covered in an invisible armor. Therefore logias rarely use haki.
Is the chapter coming on Tuesday or Wednesday? Does anyone know?!
Is the chapter coming on Tuesday or Wednesday? Does anyone know?!
It will be out at the usual time it seems.
@LordEnel:
Didn't Law inbue haki into his attack to be able to cut Vergo?
I dont think so man.. I mean if haki would be imbued to attack it should probably amplify raw power of attack and Laws cutting doesnt seem like raw power so to say as cutting with raw power would kill Vergo in my opinion.
Its opposite of what Doflamingo expected from looks of it- he expected Vergos haki to block 100% of Laws ability but Law went probably all out with it and with that ability he sliced Vergo in half as it seems. But as I said I expect those not material attacks not to be possibly imbued with haki. In Zoros case we seen some air slashes etc as he cuts and in Laws case he just swings sword and everything in that direction is perfectly separated. I would say that Law separates body parts more than he cuts them off. Its just swing- and then perfecly separated pieces are flying around place.
But we are also yet waiting to see if anybody else can cut in Laws Room without killing person so I dont know for 100% if inside Room cutting somebody in half with haki by somebody else than Law has same effect as it was shown against Vergo or if actually person dies.
Both of these guys actually get hit by the attack though, haki or not. Marco takes damage and then heals it. Hawkins basically transfers damage to someone he's got a doll of β¦ Using haki won't nullify these abilities.
Sure it doesnt nullify ability but I guessed that DF users body would get damaged if attack would be imbued with haki. Hawkings vs Kizaru is prime example for me.
I would expect that if some projectiles like Kizarus laser shots would get som CoA effect it would be instant damage and not that doll-aspect of his DF.
Of course I can be wrong but I rather dont think so at least in Hawkings/Kizaru case.
We gotten great example with Garp and his attack with fist that was imbued with haki- it went around Marcos ability and sended him to the ground. Sure he healed damage from it with his DF moments later but we actually seen him taking that damage from punch in first place thanks to haki. I expect that if Garp would hit Hawkings he would instantly bleed/get bones broken- not some dolls poping out of him instead(or 10 at once ).
Both of these guys actually get hit by the attack though, haki or not. Marco takes damage and then heals it. Hawkins basically transfers damage to someone he's got a doll of β¦ Using haki won't nullify these abilities.
But there were to instances after in which nor Admiral or marine could touch him until Garp came along.
I can understand Hawkins.
@Portgas-D-Ace:
Oh, great that's nice to hear! My handle is Asce by the way. Well I'll probably be creating a room every Sunday from as from noon GMT, or anytime you feel would be better. Coordinating the games is the real challenge so maybe I should create a thread for that. What do you think?
I think a thread is a good idea. Arranging play dates like this would be too chaotic. And I've seen worse ideas for a thread, lol.
Btw, spoiler support thread was closed, who do I talk to to see why and if it can be reopened. I've seen worse ideas for a thread.
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@Flipper:
But there were to instances after in which nor Admiral or marine could touch him until Garp came along.
Don't think so. If I recall, he only got hurt once before Garp, by Kizaru's laser rain. And healed right away. And he got hurt after by lasers again, and was pretty much fucked until they removed seastone cuffs from him.
Btw, spoiler support thread was closed, who do I talk to to see why and if it can be reopened. I've seen worse ideas for a thread.
I'm not sure, Razh but have you tried to contact one of the administrators like brennen.exe or Urouge?
@Portgas-D-Ace:
I'm not sure, Razh but have you tried to contact one of the administrators like brennen.exe or Urouge?
Don't really have time with work and all. Next week, the chapter is nearly out anyway.
@Flipper:
But there were to instances after in which nor Admiral or marine could touch him until Garp came along.
There are two pretty much identical instances where Marco gets hit by Kizaru's laser (two of them?) β¦ one where he is cuffed with seastone and one where he isn't. Compare those: they're basically the same, except when he's cuffed, the damage lasts.
Sabo uses bathroom and annihilates his ship Dragon's not gonna like thisβ¦
hahahahah Magma brat must have suffered from this as well when he first got his df
There are two pretty much identical instances where Marco gets hit by Kizaru's laser (two of them?) β¦ one where he is cuffed with seastone and one where he isn't. Compare those: they're basically the same, except when he's cuffed, the damage lasts.
From what I remember, when Marco was cuffed he showed signs of pain, which he didn't first time Kizaru shot him. But yeah the damage lasts when he's cuffed, after all its his phoenix zoan form (and partial form) that his blue flames heal him. Oda revealed it regenerates him in SBS 58
By the way, I don't wanna read 100 pages but I assume someone has mentioned "Bird Cage" could most likely just involve the island itself? I mean Doflamingo can't risk anyone leaving the island, seems like an island sized cage (not to mention it resembles the shape) makes the most sense.
Also makes sense why they met at Green Bit, despite Law seemingly not being there before.
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I haven't read the spoilers so I don't know if it was confirmed yet or not but I'll just add this to my previous theory - the drum looking mountain that circles around the palace is pretty suspicious.
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From what I remember, when Marco was cuffed he showed signs of pain, which he didn't first time Kizaru shot him. But yeah the damage lasts when he's cuffed, after all its his phoenix zoan form (and partial form) that his blue flames heal him. Oda revealed it regenerates him in SBS 58
Here is Marco getting hit by two lasers, showing pain:
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Here is him regenerating, getting cuffed by Onigumo, and showing pain when he gets double laser'd β¦ again (in the next chapter):
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So it's β¦ exactly what I said :p
Yeah i'm not sitting 24/7 at AP so sorry for my ignorance
True dat⦠Will delete it
He should delete his quote as its dumbass move to quote somebody pointing wrong thread and then just keeping quote up even after post was deleted
Here is Marco getting hit by two lasers, showing pain:
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Here is him regenerating, getting cuffed by Onigumo, and showing pain when he gets double laser'd β¦ again (in the next chapter):
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So it's β¦ exactly what I said :p
I misunderstood which lazer shots you were talking about, sorry.
I went back and saw you said two times but didn't think you were referring only to the two times he got shot in human form. I thought you were comparing the shots he received in his partially transformed state against when he was in human form.
The one I was thinking of is the first time he was shot by Kizaru at the very beginning when Kizaru was aiming at Whitebeard and Marco got in the way. That was the time I was thinking of when he didn't show pain (in partial transformation) then he did in human form.
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So its exactly as I said too β¦. we were just on different wave lenghts:ninja: