Not even. Two things just happen to be called the same thing and Camie said them both. There is such a thing as reading too far into stuff.
Oda's Foreshadowing Challenge
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Not even. Two things just happen to be called the same thing and Camie said them both. There is such a thing as reading too far into stuff.
I don't know - authors often can do little call backs. It fits the criterea for a call back, plenty of other things they could have called the Gondalla or the ride in SA.
Reading too much is the whole Paradise/paradise debarkle - granted this is not forshadowing but it is a viable callback.
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Even then, I still think it's a coincidence. If it were an intentional call-back it would serve some purpose, but I can't for the life of me see the reason for this one. Also, I've just noticed that it's not even Camie that calls the fish one a gondola, it's that guard.
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Even then, I still think it's a coincidence. If it were an intentional call-back it would serve some purpose, but I can't for the life of me see the reason for this one. Also, I've just noticed that it's not even Camie that calls the fish one a gondola, it's that guard.
That's cool - there is no Ministery of Non Fiction Call Back Classifications.
I'd be happy calling it a callback without official clarification and its not story crucial. I agree its way too much of a stretch for Forshadowing though.
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After all that happened in Thriller Bark and in Mihawk's castle?
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After all that happened in Thriller Bark and in Mihawk's castle?
Unlikely.It makes me think that Zoro will not like Law's "betrayal". Resuming the pirate alliance as if nothing happened seems unlikely, considering what Usopp had to do to come back.
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It makes me think that Zoro will not like Law's "betrayal". Resuming the pirate alliance as if nothing happened seems unlikely, considering what Usopp had to do to come back.
Law betrayal? They are allied to take down Kaido. As soon as it is finished they have no more deal.
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I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, take a look at the middle panel.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/185635/one-piece_ch709_by_mangarule/4
Rebecca using blade-less sword was foreshadowed here.
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You mean the bladeless sword? Yes it has been discussed.
@desa:Law betrayal? They are allied to take down Kaido. As soon as it is finished they have no more deal.
Law did lie about that part, he did all that to take him down Mingo, if his own words weren't lies.
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You mean the bladeless sword? Yes it has been discussed.
Law did lie about that part, he did all that to take him down Mingo, if his own words weren't lies.
Well it would mean he tricked them rather than betray them.
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Well it would mean he tricked them rather than betray them.
Use the word you want, being tricked was not a part of the deal.
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Use the word you want, being tricked was not a part of the deal.
Luffy is the captain and won't mind. And Law is a pirate they aren't trustworthy.
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Luffy is the captain and won't mind. And Law is a pirate they aren't trustworthy.
Yeah I agree. But right now the crew is fighting for the dwarves, but also to save Law without knowing that he tricked them. I think they will need a little talk about this before aiming at Kaido.
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Yeah I agree. But right now the crew is fighting for the dwarves, but also to save Law without knowing that he tricked them. I think they will need a little talk about this before aiming at Kaido.
If he only use them to fucked Doflamingo when things are over he won't have explaination to give since there is no more. The one to insist will be Luffy.
If Law decided go after Kaido because he own them something then all he has to say is that at first he wanted to go after only Doflamingo and now he has change his mind and want to expand their partnership. Luffy will go with it with no further explanation.
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/132664/one-piece_ch682_by_mangarule/13
On the last panel, kinemon says that Nami is a user of ninjutsu.
http://http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/735/page/7
Here again in the first panel, Kinemon exclaims that violet is a ninja. We might seeing ninjas in the future.
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/132664/one-piece_ch682_by_mangarule/13
On the last panel, kinemon says that Nami is a user of ninjutsu.
http://http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/735/page/7
Here again in the first panel, Kinemon exclaims that violet is a ninja. We might seeing ninjas in the future.
It's the 2nd last panel and the 2nd panel, it's read from right to left…
and on your second link there's a http too much so it links me to a "bad" page... -
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/132664/one-piece_ch682_by_mangarule/13
On the last panel, kinemon says that Nami is a user of ninjutsu.
http://http://read.powermanga.org/read/one_piece/en/0/735/page/7
Here again in the first panel, Kinemon exclaims that violet is a ninja. We might seeing ninjas in the future.
Oda including a ninja or ninjas in Wano seems a given yeah.
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http://readms.com/r/one_piece/740/2279/21
I think we can consider this as foreshadowing to what will be Usopp, a brave man that have a ton of histories to tell to the future generation, kinda like he always dreamed to be back in his village
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Guys, I don't think many people remembered Usopp's lie about the Sniper Island. An alien bartender isn't the only thing to look forward to so be prepared.
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An alien bartender isn't the only thing to look forward to so be prepared.
What alien bartender? :wassat:
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Guys, I don't think many people remembered Usopp's lie about the Sniper Island.
Yes, as I predicted, the Straw Hats will shrink themselves down into Capone Bege's body, ride around in his blood vessels in Law's submarine, eventually reaching his heart. This is where they will discover Sniper Island.
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I'm 100% sure that Ussop ate the pussy pussy no mi during the time-skip
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So edgy and clever.
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@Hans:
It's the 2nd last panel and the 2nd panel, it's read from right to left…
and on your second link there's a http too much so it links me to a "bad" page...Sorry about the bad link.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/219819/one-piece_ch735_by_powermanga/7
This should work.
I know its read right to left, however I always though the horizontal separation is a panel, that's why i referred it as last panel. Thanks for the heads up.
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I'm 100% sure that Ussop ate the pussy pussy no mi during the time-skip
hahaha. You just made my day.
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I'm 100% sure that Ussop ate the pussy pussy no mi during the time-skip
Yeah that's really clever. Even though I saw that from that one guy in the comment section of Manga Stream.
Oh and I have a question reading this thread. Somewhat relating with all this paradise talk, do you guys think Zeff made it to the New World?
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@Monkey:
Oda including a ninja or ninjas in Wano seems a given yeah.
I was also wandering, Zoro wants to go to wano kuni, and we saw fighters from kano kuni as well. They were masters of some kind of kenpou and sai seemed pretty good with his kick. Do you think we'll have a visit to kano kuni for sanji?
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I was also wandering, Zoro wants to go to wano kuni, and we saw fighters from kano kuni as well. They were masters of some kind of kenpou and sai seemed pretty good with his kick. Do you think we'll have a visit to kano kuni for sanji?
China island? I dunno.
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I was also wandering, Zoro wants to go to wano kuni, and we saw fighters from kano kuni as well. They were masters of some kind of kenpou and sai seemed pretty good with his kick. Do you think we'll have a visit to kano kuni for sanji?
Unless we find out that there is more to it, like it is renowned for it's breathtakingly beautiful women or its amazing chefs/recipes, then I don't see us going there just for Sanji.
Zoro's defining trait is that he is a swordsman (with all that title entails in the OP world), so it makes sense that he would need to go to the isle of samurai swordsmen at some point to get an upgrade or something. Also Ryuuma and that Zoro has his sword, which we now realize is some great treasure of Wano.
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@Monkey:
China island? I dunno.
Yeah having two Far-Eastern themed arcs so close would be a bit repetitive. Besides Amazon Lily already had Chinese-like architecture.
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@Light:
Yeah having two Far-Eastern themed arcs so close would be a bit repetitive. Besides Amazon Lily already had Chinese-like architecture.
what if they are islands close enough to each other that they share the same log pose signature. Then it could be one arc. That way it will be easier to show the Japanese vs Chinese cultural things
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I only want a China island if we finally get a pirate based on or at least named after Ching Shih.
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@Chopper:
what if they are islands close enough to each other that they share the same log pose signature. Then it could be one arc. That way it will be easier to show the Japanese vs Chinese cultural things
How would Wano be a super isolated place then. Or why wouldn't that have been mentioned. It doesn't work.
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@Monkey:
How would Wano be a super isolated place then. Or why wouldn't that have been mentioned. It doesn't work.
Well technically it doesn't have to be far away from any other island. Just extremely hostile to outsiders. Kinda like North- and South Korea.
Not that it matters! After so much buildup for Wano, it's arc is most likely gonna concentrate on it alone. No need to throw other island into the mix!
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@Light:
Well technically it doesn't have to be far away from any other island. Just extremely hostile to outsiders. Kinda like North- and South Korea.
Wano isn't just characterized by hostility to the outside, it's characterized by complete and total cluelessness about the outside. To the point that the way Kinemon talks about the Strawhats at first it's like he's meeting martians.
If they had another culture that close it would just be dumb.
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@Monkey:
Wano isn't just characterized by hostility to the outside, it's characterized by complete and total cluelessness about the outside. To the point that the way Kinemon talks about the Strawhats at first it's like he's meeting martians.
If they had another culture that close it would just be dumb.
And North Korea is like that because it's an insane police state. And they talk ALL THE TIME about South Korea, they're obsessed with South Korea.I definitely agree with you, there's no point to have Kano or any other country nearby on Wano arc. I just said merely being forbidden from outsiders doesn't automatically mean it's far away from outsiders.
Tough maybe it could work if they had similar enough cultures - but fuck it! I ain't starting another pages-long debate her with you! Especially if it's not even on-topic this time!
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I might be completely wrong, but I think Oda as a japanese, would not consider China and Japan to be close enough to put Wano and Kano one after an other in the story line.
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Wanokuni might be a testimony to zoro's strength and proof to the rest of the world that how good of a swordsman he is. I wish oda does something similar to that for sanji. But you guys are right. It might be repetitive. But i seriously hope there is Samurai Jack themed character in wano, or anywhere else.
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/samurai-jack-vs-aku.jpg
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Wanokuni might be a testimony to zoro's strength and proof to the rest of the world that how good of a swordsman he is. I wish oda does something similar to that for sanji. But you guys are right. It might be repetitive. But i seriously hope there is Samurai Jack themed character in wano, or anywhere else.
http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/samurai-jack-vs-aku.jpg
Samurai Jack is already a pastiche of samurai cliches, why would an actual Japanese guy be all that interested in him. Do you have any idea how many samurai characters Oda would be aware of that …y'know come from his own country?
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@Monkey:
Samurai Jack is already a pastiche of samurai cliches, why would an actual Japanese guy be all that interested in him. Do you have any idea how many samurai characters Oda would be aware of that …y'know come from his own country?
I do. A lot of people around the world read one piece, not just in Japan. Indeed Oda is aware of plentiful epic samurais but not all of his readers. Im not saying he should, it's just wishful thinking on my part that it'd be cool of he did.
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I do. A lot of people around the world read one piece, not just in Japan. Indeed Oda is aware of plentiful epic samurais but not all of his readers. Im not saying he should, it's just wishful thinking on my part that it'd be cool of he did.
Samurai Jack just isn't going to probably even be something that appeals to Japanese people.
A weird game of pop culture telephone that really has almost nothing to do with samurai at the end of the day that just sort of works to western audiences to who the cliche just amounts to a guy in robes slicing things.
Frankly…I mean...who the heck wants Samurai Jack references in actual edo period based Japan island. I want actual edo period Japan references and associated cliches and mythical/fictional character references.I dunno it just comes off like if a Japanese reader of some American series wanted Reborn references in a mafia arc instead of Goodfellas, Godfather and 30's mobster flicks references.
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/17714/one-piece_ch566_by_franky-house/8
I wonder what this debt is that Aokiji is talking about. Also, Dofla says that Aokiji is a determined vagabond. I'm guessing something big is coming up and Aokiji and luffy might be on the same side.
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I don't know what he's up to but if he became a revolutionary it would make things way too easy (even if Akainu is stronger.)
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Sorry guys but I have to go back to the whole paradise argument for a while. Earlier I ignored RamistaR's databook comment because it had also said that Sabo died, so I thought databooks weren't written by Oda. But then I found out that they're actually supervised by him. I know they have made some mistakes before like that Sabo thing and some trivia stuff like Drakes birthday, but Sabo could be excused by Oda wanting to keep his reappearance a surprise (even from his assistants) and he might not always notice all the SBS stuff he's written. So I'm asking whether databooks have ever made bigger plot-relevant mistakes like Sabo thing or not. If they have I'll shut up for good, but if they haven't, I might have to go back to my old argument of Zeff's comment being foreshadowing.
Just asking correction for some inconsistency here…
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Here we go again… hahaha...
Honestly, I don't know if there have been other glaring mistakes in the databooks. I seem to remember that there are, though. They're definitely not written by Oda, more likely just supervised the same way that the anime is. And the anime makes canon mistakes left and right.
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Here we go again… hahaha...
Honestly, I don't know if there have been other glaring mistakes in the databooks. I seem to remember that there are, though. They're definitely not written by Oda, more likely just supervised the same way that the anime is. And the anime makes canon mistakes left and right.
You're right, there were other mistakes in the databooks. I was never able to get a hold of one but I remember people saying that there were several people that had the wrong Jolly Roger
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Huh… Still, if it was at least partially overseen by Oda, I'm not sure who was right.
Either way promise is a promise, so by-bye!
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Sanji's cooking 's book also supervised by Oda… and it's canon.:ninja:
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I don't know if it can be called a foreshadowing. But it is a nice tie!
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