Well if you can't really understand something that should be pretty obvious ( at least to me ) then i really see no point in explaining it .
In that case I shall also be forever ignorant. :(
Well if you can't really understand something that should be pretty obvious ( at least to me ) then i really see no point in explaining it .
In that case I shall also be forever ignorant. :(
Remember when "true" ASoIaF fans were offended that they made Renly and Loras gay?
DUMB GAY SECKS HBO!!!!
Yeah, they should have shown them praying. As the book says. That they did. A lot. Of praying.
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@Monkey:
That's only true in like the first season.
Podric the sex god subplot, Loras new romance and Melissandre failing to complete the deed (as she gains power from sex) were stupid. Inyection of sex that didn't add a thing, or damaged certain important aspects of the characters (Loras loyalty and Mel's drive)
Joffrey inventive uses of prostitutes and "the reeking" were ok.
Well i fail to see the purpose of those scenes or them not being used for just mindless "adult" service but i rather not waste my time and argue about it any longer .
I wouldn't know since i skipped the moment there was "something" going on .
Why is the non-silly sex stuff gratutious and pointless, but you have no complaints about extra action sequences not directly related to advancing the plot.
Like are you one of those people who thinks a titty is for some reason way worse than rats in heated pots being forced to chew their way through people's chests?
Did someone say titties
What exactly were people expecting from a show titled "Game of Butts"?
@Monkey:
Why is the non-silly sex stuff gratutious and pointless, but you have no complaints about extra action sequences not directly related to advancing the plot.
Like are you one of those people who thinks a titty is for some reason way worse than rats in heated pots being forced to chew their way through people's chests?
I don't exactly remember there being a fights that were dragged out or anything like that , the series in general doesn't seem to have that many battles from my experience . And even though i very rarely like action in general , i would still pick it over pointless sex scenes any day .
Umm no , i am one of those people who don't like the nudity or female exploitation that is shoehorn in the series for no reason ( not that having a reason would make it any less worst) other than to simply remind people that it's a "mature" series , pretty much like what some seinen manga authors do .
I would hardly say the nudity is shoehorned into the plot, considering how much prostitutes seem to get involved. Tyrion's escape into them is a huge part of his character past and present, and his relationship with Shea began with her as a prostitute. As for exploitation… I think you're slinging mud there. Nothing this show has done has ever felt even slightly exploitative.
Besides considering the amount of graphic violence in this show, which is a lot, lot worse, than nudity, they don't need sex to remind viewers that this is a mature show.
I'm sorry that you seem to be uncomfortable and with the naked human body and sex.
I expect lots of sex in any HBO drama series. I don't enjoy seeing it because sex is the least interesting part of the show usually, but I still expect it and if I can, I'll skip over it to get back to more important scenes lol. Or at least scenes that would be make the room less awkward if family members are also watching.
I knew what that was going to be before I even clicked on it. Never gets old.
@Nex:
I would hardly say the nudity is shoehorned into the plot, considering how much prostitutes seem to get involved. Tyrion's escape into them is a huge part of his character past and present, and his relationship with Shea began with her as a prostitute. As for exploitation… I think you're slinging mud there. Nothing this show has done has ever felt even slightly exploitative.
Besides considering the amount of graphic violence in this show, which is a lot, lot worse, than nudity, they don't need sex to remind viewers that this is a mature show.
I'm sorry that you seem to be uncomfortable and with the naked human body and sex.
And why are the prostitutes there?! Reasons?! Guess what it's there to give people "adult" service. How is it that other authors can show those types of characters while not putting pointless nudity scenes ?! Lords of the rings is basically same as this series yet it didn't contain those types of stuff and in fact the closest thing to that was a kiss in Lord of the rings . Prostitutes play as much of a part in this series as how fanservice play a part in Fairytail which is none. And wow , so there is nothing wrong with how majority of female have been shown to be whores?! …...............................pointless to argue then.
And no , it's called having shame and not thinking of women as a sex tool , like how lots of western seems to think . And i guess talking about common sense is pointless in this forum .
And why are the prostitutes there?! Reasons?! Guess what it's there to give people "adult" service. How is it that other authors can show those types of characters while not putting pointless nudity scenes ?! Lords of the rings is basically same as this series yet it didn't contain those types of stuff and in fact the closest thing to that was a kiss in Lord of the rings . Prostitutes play as much of a part in this series as how fanservice play a part in Fairytail which is none. And wow , so there is nothing wrong with how majority of female have been shown to be whores?! …...............................pointless to argue then.
And no , it's called having shame and not thinking of women as a sex tool , like how lots of western seems to think . And i guess talking about common sense is pointless in this forum .
Mayority of female characters whores… What series are you watching? Rose absorbed every other prostitute character in the book. Anything else is a filler character. Is impliying that "every male character is a murderer", being closer to the truth.
Ah, lord of the rings, with such important and relevant female characters as Galadriel... and... the cool rohan chick, and... Aureen? Vigo Mortensen romantic interest.. and Sam's wife.
That against Dany, Cercei, Caithlin, Ayra, Sansa, Ygritte, Margery, The Queen of thornes, Melissandre and Briene. And that's stoping where the show is at.
What represents women better?
Mayority of female characters whores… What series are you watching? Rose absorbed every other prostitute character in the book. Anything else is a filler character. Is impliying that "every male character is a murderer", being closer to the truth.
Ah, lord of the rings, with such important and relevant female characters as Galadriel... and... the cool rohan chick, and... Aureen? Vigo Mortensen romantic interest.. and Sam's wife.
That against Dany, Cercei, Caithlin, Ayra, Sansa, Ygritte, Margery, The Queen of thornes, Melissandre and Briene. And that's stoping where the show is at.
What represents women better?
So which female character wasn't exploited during the series?! Lets see Cercei , Rose, , Shae , Dany , Ygritte , Margery , and Melissandre were all exploited as far as female characters with names goes from what i remember . Then there are some other nameless characters that were just shown naked and why were they exploited ?! The author just felt like throwing that scene in it . People can argue but the fact is that females have been and always will be exploited in entertainment medium so i know that there will be some type of "predictable" stuff like this in fictional writing but Game of thrones just does it worst then the "average" standard of this stuff .
And lets see for Lords of the rings …............wait i forget the series didn't throw in pointless and shoehorn sex scenes . And who represent the women better is something i really don't care about . I even love Game of thrones wayyyy more than Lords of the rings and some of females from Game of thrones are one of my personal favorite characters but i can't pretend that Game of thrones doesn't have pointless female exploitation and sex scenes that weren't need for anything other than to "please" adults .
So which female character wasn't exploited during the series?! Lets see Cercei , Rose, , Shae , Dany , Ygritte , Margery , and Melissandre were all exploited as far as female characters with names goes from what i remember . Then there are some other nameless characters that were just shown naked and why were they exploited ?! The author just felt like throwing that scene in it . People can argue but the fact is that females have been and always will be exploited in entertainment medium so i know that there will be some type of "predictable" stuff like this in fictional writing but Game of thrones just does it worst then the "average" standard of this stuff .
And lets see for Lords of the rings …............wait i forget the series didn't throw in pointless and shoehorn sex scenes . And who represent the women better is something i really don't care about . I even love Game of thrones wayyyy more than Lords of the rings and some of females from Game of thrones are one of my personal favorite characters but i can't pretend that Game of thrones doesn't have pointless female exploitation and sex scenes that weren't need for anything other than to "please" adults .
It's not about them being nude, and that Boobies =/= Bad.
Melissandre's nude scene were about her power and the canon scenes were about her shadow baby not how to not produce them, Dany were about maturity and overcoming… the world that she was thrown into, Fuck this shit, don't you dare to insult the scene of Ygritte as that one was for something that was going to become love.
Those three weren't pointless, were important character defining moments as a creepy monster, a child forced to become a woman, and a woman having sex for good reasons.
It's not about them being nude, and that Boobies =/= Bad.
Melissandre's nude scene were about her power and the canon scenes were about her shadow baby not how to not produce them, Dany were about maturity and overcoming… the world that she was thrown into, Fuck this shit, don't you dare to insult the scene of Ygritte as that one was for something that was going to become love.
Those three weren't pointless, were important character defining moments as a creepy monster, a child forced to become a woman, and a woman having sex for good reasons.
I don't exactly agree with this and it seems like you are not really getting my point so i'll just leave it at this .
Wait. Do you think women in Game of Thrones simply being naked on screen is exploitation? That's insulting to the actresses.
And what of the naked men in Game of Thrones? Is that not male exploitation then.
But the crux of this is still that you are okay with graphic violence but have issue with a naked human body. Those priorities are whack.
Also, Lord of the Rings, the books at least, didn't give a fuck about the female characters. It took everything in Jackson's power to make the very few there remotely interesting.
At the end of the day the female characters in Game of Thrones are all strong characters that are extremely well written and portrayed. They all have great story arcs that match with the male characters which you can hardly say about most shows. Even a show like Breaking Bad had problems with its female characters, so much so that the two main ones are hated by a large portion of the fanbase. If a character like Dany being naked distracts you from that, then the problem is on your end.
Now, is female exploitation an issue in the modern film/tv industry. Yes. Especially on low budget productions or with girls who come to Hollywood looking to be an actress but all the work they can find are topless roles.
But when it comes to Game of Thrones, the most expensive show to ever be produced mind you, this is obviously not the case.
You asked why the prostitutes are there. Because that's how Martin wrote Tyrion's character in the book. And such a tragic character he is. Since this is the Show thread I won't go into detail here so as to not spoil coming plotlines, but Tyrion's relationship with prostitutes and Littlefinger running a brothel were hardly inventions of the show. They were just being true to the books.
And what about the Dany/ Drogo plotline? Was that exploitation. It was through sex, the most intimate thing two people can do, that she turned him into a loving husband and allowed the two to develop the best romance on the show. I still cry when he dies, damn it.
At the end of the day, this is a show for mature audiences, aka people who aren't made uncomfortable by the idea of sex. If that's not you, then, I'm sorry, but maybe you shouldn't be watching the show.
@Nex:
Now, is female exploitation an issue in the modern film/tv industry. Yes. Especially on low budget productions or with girls who come to Hollywood looking to be an actress but all the work they can find are topless roles.
But when it comes to Game of Thrones, the most expensive show to ever be produced mind you, this is obviously not the case.
Sixteen characters of LOL.
It's as if boobs and butts sell or something….
Sixteen characters of LOL.
You laugh, but it's honestly on low budget productions where you see rampant exploitation issues these days, because they need something to sell tickets / get viewers. There's a reason every cheesy low budget horror film is slathered in naked women. When you have a huge budget, your marketability skyrockets, just through branding. You don't need sex to sell your show. Anyone thinking Game of Thrones absolutely needs the nudity to be successful is out of their gourd. Especially in the modern era when porn is a click away.
That's not to imply that you won't run into exploitation with a high budget film or show, but it's much less common.
Guess y'all are focusing specifically on nudie sexploitation, then. Which is far less sinister than the exploitation you'll see in any romantic comedy but okay.
Guess y'all are focusing specifically on nudie sexploitation, then. Which is far less sinister than the exploitation you'll see in any romantic comedy but okay.
Since naked women seemed to be ZoroFTW's definition of exploitation, that is what we were focusing on.
Women in Romantic Comedy is a completely different beast that I wouldn't even know how to begin to touch. It doesn't help that I don't ever watch them… My wife would have a lot to say on it though. From her I've come to learn that Katherine Heigl is basically the devil.
@Nex:
My wife would have a lot to say on it though. From her I;ve come to learn that Katherine Heigl is basically the devil.
LOL that sounds like something I would say.
Anyway, despite the fact that sexploitation and the Transformers movie series exist, and are both horrible abominations… Zoro, think of what this world would be like if steamy sex scenes featuring naked women were not the staple of critically acclaimed HBO/Showtime series? What would my childhood have been like without Shane McCutcheon getting it on??? I cannot even imagine.
I find it hilarious that Zoro compares Game of Thrones to Lord of the Rings, while saying Game of Thrones is the one that's offensive to women. Like, Lord of the Rings as like 2-3 women in existence, and only one of them does much of anything to really impact the story.
Meanwhile, Game of Thrones' major cast can be split in half in gender, and almost every one of those women has invaluable impact to the story. And they're all respected as characters with their own story arcs, development, and emotions, each different from one another.
But you know… Nudity is the thing destroying women.
@Nex:
My wife would have a lot to say on it though. From her I've come to learn that Katherine Heigl is basically the devil.
Your wife is absolutely correct.
GoT has very strong female leads. I think a lot of people confuse a strong female lead with making a female character masculine.
Anyway, reminds me of this. http://i.imgur.com/nu2Mipb.jpg
So which female character wasn't exploited during the series?! Lets see Cercei , Rose, , Shae , Dany , Ygritte , Margery , and Melissandre were all exploited as far as female characters with names goes from what i remember . Then there are some other nameless characters that were just shown naked and why were they exploited ?! The author just felt like throwing that scene in it . People can argue but the fact is that females have been and always will be exploited in entertainment medium so i know that there will be some type of "predictable" stuff like this in fictional writing but Game of thrones just does it worst then the "average" standard of this stuff .
what is your problem, the sex scenes in it self or that woman needed to have sex to be inportant?
Should it bother me that one of the nude women scenes feels much harder to watch now I know and have spoken with the actress in question (see the PyD thread for how)?
I mean, I've always felt a little uncomfortable when it's been clear sexposition, but…
That was actually one of the few sex scenes taken straight from the book. Of course I would feel very awkward meeting someone and than seeing them completely in the nude on a tv show.
That was actually one of the few sex scenes taken straight from the book. Of course I would feel very awkward meeting someone and than seeing them completely in the nude on a tv show.
Yeah, I'm a book reader. I remember the scene in the books being equally harsh on the woman involved. I guess it's just a case of being able to separate the character from the actor playing them…but I don't know if I can watch that scene again because it now feels utterly invasive when it didn't before.
@Print:
Should it bother me that one of the nude women scenes feels much harder to watch now I know and have spoken with the actress in question (see the PyD thread for how)?
I mean, I've always felt a little uncomfortable when it's been clear sexposition, but…
Seeing someone you know naked is extremely awkward. I can totally understand that.
There's seriously nothing wrong with feeling uncomfortable toward nudity. People have different thresholds and comfort zones.
I just wouldn't say that 'the inclusion of nudity amplifies or hinders the quality of television series' (not referring to anything you said, Print Error). I think nudity has it's uses, and I would say Game of Thones both has times where nudity is 'exploity' and where nudity is acceptable.
Heads Up.
About the trailer
! I'm very excited about the Red Viper vs the Mountain now. :)
And it looks like Bran's story still continues. Was he touching a heart tree there?
Wow! This trailer is interesting … It looks like quite a lot from books 4&5 will happen in this season. In particular, Daenerys's story was pretty much at where it was at the end of storm, and Jaime's too ...
! oberyn oberyn oberyn … :D
! Jaime's got his new look, and it seems like the season will extend to him going off to the riverlands to sort out the war, as he does in feast ... that treating flash has been suggested to be Riverrun ... which would take Jaime's tale all the way up to his most recent in Dance ... I hope not. Pleased to see the White Book. I look forward to exposition via Jaime lecturing Loras :)
! Purple wedding upcoming! Much death ...
! And Oberyn's duel with Gregor promises to be excellent. Not to mention Tyrion's trial in general. Excellent :D
! I'm a bit confused where we stand with Dany though ... we definitely see her ruling Meereen ... the shavepates and the Sons are there too. No sign of Reznak, Skahaz or the Green Grace, although Hizdahr will be there ... And also, there's her standing with an army and fighting? I'm not sure whether Yunkai is functionally Meereen or she'll move on yet or what ... Jorah's still around too, although how long for I wonder.
! We see "Alayne Stone" briefly in the trailer, I think. From casting, Littlefinger's little meeting thing where he's negotiating with the Lords of the Vale will take place, so that's cool. Arya showed up too, and the Hound.
! The Wall! From episode names, it seems the big battle will take place in the penultimate episode, so I assume it will take us juts up to the end of Jon's story in Storm and no further. A giant! Looking forward to that a lot! (Alliser Thorne was there too ...)
! Theon in armour looking well ... that's probably when Ramsay sends him into Moat Cailin to convince the Ironborn to surrender. Meanwhile ... Yara's going to rescue him ... That's disapointing, but ... it feels like the Iron Islands story in general might change ... she could quite easily drop into Stannis's hands en route to rescuing Theon or something, rather than the whole kingsmoot sequence. Speaking of which, there's zero indication that will happen anytime soon. Seeing as we're delving so far into the material form the books, it would have been nice to have the kingsmoot here.
! Some interesting stuff of casting: we only see Bran briefly in the trailer, with Hodor, but Brynden (the last greenseer) and the Child of the Forest (Leaf?) have been cast, so it suggests Bran's story will go pretty much right into his Feast chapters. I thought Tycho Nestoris being cast was interesting, but probably he just turns up in King's Landing? It's not really feasible, if the Stannis arrives towards the season close, that he could show up at the wall ...
My friend finally caught up to the end of season 3 the other day.
He phoned me and he was pretty much gently weeping lol.
Here's a great behind-the-scenes video about season 4. I'm really excited for April.
! Do you guys think they will cut Coldhands and Lady Stoneheart?
! Do you guys think they will cut Coldhands and Lady Stoneheart?
Book spoilers
! Shouldn't Coldhands have shown up by now? I don't really remember what he utimately did in the books though so maybe he comes along later.
I really wanted Lady Stoneheart's resurrection to be the last scene of S3. That didn't happen but I don't see her getting cut completely. I think the audience deserves some dead Freys.
Book spoilers
! Shouldn't Coldhands have shown up by now? I don't really remember what he utimately did in the books though so maybe he comes along later.
I really wanted Lady Stoneheart's resurrection to be the last scene of S3. That didn't happen but I don't see her getting cut completely. I think the audience deserves some dead Freys.
! Coldhands is the one that saved Sam and Gilly and then led them to the gate. So yes he should have appeared by now.but cutting him for season 3 was an easy choice. Expect him to show up this season or not at all. Stoneheart will be there, but probably not towards the end of this season.
! Stoneheart will definitely show up. She's too good a twist for one thing.
! There was an Other in the latest trailer that I took to be coldhands/ a coldhands proxy.
Book spoilers:
! It has been revealed in the casting list that Bloodraven (the three eyed raven) will appear, but no mention of coldhands.
! Also, in the latest trailer there is a short clip of Theon wearing armour and looking healthy. do you think that is from the moat coatlin thing, or could the writers have completley changed his story from the books? that would suck, spend an entire season turning him into Reek and then just release him…
Book spoilers:
! It has been revealed in the casting list that Bloodraven (the three eyed raven) will appear, but no mention of coldhands.
! Also, in the latest trailer there is a short clip of Theon wearing armour and looking healthy. do you think that is from the moat coatlin thing, or could the writers have completley changed his story from the books? that would suck, spend an entire season turning him into Reek and then just release him…
! Theon is probably dreaming.
! Theon is probably dreaming.
! i don`t think he is dreaming. After being brainwashed so he becomes the lacky of the Boltens he can reapear as himself. and do varius jobs only he can do. infiltrating the castle and
! being there at the wedding of "Arya" Stark to Ramsy to confirm she is Arya
! i don`t think he is dreaming. After being brainwashed so he becomes the lacky of the Boltens he can reapear as himself. and do varius jobs only he can do. infiltrating the castle and
! being there at the wedding of "Arya" Stark to Ramsy to confirm she is Arya
! The problem isn't with him reappearing, it's with the physical state he's in.
! The next time we see Theon anywhere near the outside world should be when he's fully indoctrinated as Reek, who's a physical wreck, essentially.
! The problem isn't with him reappearing, it's with the physical state he's in.
The next time we see Theon anywhere near the outside world should be when he's fully indoctrinated as Reek, who's a physical wreck, essentially.
! When Ramsay sends him to moat cailin he took the care of having theon take a bath, dress an armor, etc.. At that moment theon still is the broken creature known as Reek
! When Ramsay sends him to moat cailin he took the care of having theon take a bath, dress an armor, etc.. At that moment theon still is the broken creature known as Reek
! Yeah, the whole point is that he looks the part even if he's mentally broken. It could be a very powerful scene if they play it right.
! I want Ramsay to be in every episode this season. Brilliant actor, never thought someone could bring that character to life like that.
! I want Ramsay to be in every episode this season. Brilliant actor, never thought someone could bring that character to life like that.
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! Book spoiler, btw.
! >! I guess that answers the Coldhands question..
! This is going to be a fun one.
@Print:
! Book spoiler, btw.
! >! I guess that answers the Coldhands question..
! This is going to be a fun one.
! That could be any White Walker conveniently placed in that trailer. :ninja: