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Be careful guys, please.
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@No:
Jesus Lef. Just stay safe okay ? Please ?
@Monkey:
Stay safe Maxterdexter and Lef! :<
Be careful guys, please.
I'll be fine, we live far from the center… my dad tho. I really doubt that it will spread to our area.
9 dead.
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What? I'm ok, when I left the protest it was still pacific (but Dumb):
I was there for about 3-4 hours, untill they put Leopoldo Lopez in custody (A character that I don't particulary like, but it's now fated to be president of venezuela, or a martyr)
Then most people wanted to keep going, but there was a blockade in the planed route, so they took to the highway. I had other obligations, and I'm not 100% with this movement (but I'll try to support it somewhat) so I left. As of now, the only news is that they didn't had any warant or arrest order. I'll keep you posted.
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Today has been chill, yesterday some oil big wig ran over a kid in my dad's hometown. And there's still no justice for the students who were sexualy asaulted with an asault weapon, or murdered in the streets.
Rumors say that some were chased to a.. barranco? precipice? Where the road ends in a mountain and you can only fall? and had to jump down to avoid chase.
The issue is that the media blackout is too strong now, only social network can publish things. And you can't know who tells the truth, who lies, and who's truth was already withe/red washed.
Metro stations near the protest were closed, by the gov. orders, the main street of caracas-east and the main highway that crossess caracas (and the middle of venezuela) is filled with the protest people.
Good luck Lef!
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Echoing the 'stay safe' wishes, and adding a thank you for letting us know what's going on. Our own media sometimes doesn't know, doesn't care, or has too much of a bias, and this stuff really is hugely important.
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It is so hard to belive in democracy when your country is divided in half, each half hates the other with passion, and if it was in power would ignore the other inmediately.
And if anyone ever considers finding a compromise, or NOT DESTROYING the other half, OMG he's a traitor! he sold himself to the goverment!
I'm thinking that the goverment would run better with the Pokemon Twich experiment.
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It is so hard to belive in democracy when your country is divided in half, each half hates the other with passion, and if it was in power would ignore the other inmediately.
And if anyone ever considers finding a compromise, or NOT DESTROYING the other half, OMG he's a traitor! he sold himself to the goverment!
I'm thinking that the goverment would run better with the Pokemon Twich experiment.
Well, remember what Winston Churchill said:
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all others that have been tried."
At any rate, stay safe max, and you as well Lef.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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Well, remember what Winston Churchill said:
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all others that have been tried."
At any rate, stay safe max, and you as well Lef.
Churchill was a nutcase.
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To be fair, this isn't a democracy, is a populidictatorship or something like that, If you have to compete with a incumbent petrostate bankrupting the country in an election, and blackmailing everyone who depends on it (pensions, public workers, healthcare) for votes, and you consistently get to 46-48% of the votes, with money out of your own pocket, or donations, and there's no accountability of the electoral system, that can't be called democracy.
Even when things were more transparent, there was always the feeling that a win in an election was "oh, let's undo what you did to make way for MY plan", there's no substainable development that way.
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I did a little research and cooked up this really rough map for Ukraine.
Wanna know what Lef thinks about it.Ok first like Venezuela Ukraine is currently very divided politically. But unlike Venezuela it's not really a class thing, it's a geographic thing.
So here's the political vote results for 2004 and 2010.
I did some rough rough research and took a map of Ukraine using many of the larger cities across the country and colored the cities according to century the city formed in.
KEY:
RED: Older than that
ORANGE: 800's L. ORANGE: 900's YELLOW: 1000's
LIME: 1100's
GREEN: 1200's
TEAL: 1300's L BLUE: 1400's TURQUOISE: 1500's
BLUE: 1600's
PURPLE: 1700's
PINK: 1800'sWhat I found in reading was that the area of Ukraine below the red line (the areas where pro-Russian sentiment is high) were always a frontier region for the Slavs and others. And were barely populated by anyone permanently until the 1700's. Before that it was the stomping ground of nomadic peoples and had a bunch of Ottoman forts. The area of Russia nearby (to the east) is very similar including the Sochi we're all watching this month.
Eventually the Russian Empire grew strong enough to pacify the region from the nomads, and kick the Turks out of their forts. And promptly started permnantly settling the area. Later it became a rust belt during early industrialization, bringing lots of people there to get jobs.So in conclusion, the roots there are not deep (seriously, all those purple cities and the pink one are younger, some by over a century than much of my area of the United Baby States). The people who moved there, be they Ukrainian or Russian or Whateverian, probably associated their lands less with medieval and non-Russian identities, but with modern Russian empire and Soviet industry.
Leading to the rift in national identity that exists today.
Lev what do you think about all this? Any big mistakes and silly generalizations on my part?
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Churchill was a nutcase.
Really? I was unaware of that.
This comes as quite a shock to me, as it has been my understanding that he was one of most respected and revered political figures of the 20th century.
Do you, perhaps, have any formal and credible documentation supporting your claim that he was mentally ill during his political career? Or, at the very least, when he gave that famous quote?
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
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My understanding is that Churchil was a War oriented prime minister, and his domestic and international policies were going to be a mess if he wasn't preocupied for losing England to the Nazis. But that sounds something that got drilled during highschool, or read quickly on cracked, so don't take my word for it.
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My understanding is that Churchil was a War oriented prime minister, and his domestic and international policies were going to be a mess if he wasn't preocupied for losing England to the Nazis. But that sounds something that got drilled during highschool, or read quickly on cracked, so don't take my word for it.
We actually elected him PM again after Clement Attlee, and he was utterly hopeless. It just so happened that he was good at being a war leader in terms of image, but not much of a politician.
Then again, we have form for this. Our worst PM ever was probably the Duke of Wellington, of Waterloo fame. But this is getting really tangential…
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Really? I was unaware of that.
This comes as quite a shock to me, as it has been my understanding that he was one of most respected and revered political figures of the 20th century.
Do you, perhaps, have any formal and credible documentation supporting your claim that he was mentally ill during his political career? Or, at the very least, when he gave that famous quote?
That's not what he means, he's just saying he doesn't respect Churchill.
And indeed the dude had plenty of unsavory views and actually kind of sucked as a politician outside of WW2. -
Oh yeah. That's all starting to sound kinda familiar now.
Still, while I don't literally agree with the quote's sentiments, well…no system of government is perfect.
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Churchill was an unashamed imperialist.
His response to a Bengali famine during the tail end of WWII? "If those people are starving, than why isn't Gandhi dead yet?"
Granted, the fact that he was born in the 1870s makes it understandable
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@Monkey:
I did a little research and cooked up this really rough map for Ukraine.
Wanna know what Lef thinks about it.Ok first like Venezuela Ukraine is currently very divided politically. But unlike Venezuela it's not really a class thing, it's a geographic thing.
So here's the political vote results for 2004 and 2010.
I did some rough rough research and took a map of Ukraine using many of the larger cities across the country and colored the cities according to century the city formed in.
KEY:
RED: Older than that
ORANGE: 800's L. ORANGE: 900's YELLOW: 1000's
LIME: 1100's
GREEN: 1200's
TEAL: 1300's L BLUE: 1400's TURQUOISE: 1500's
BLUE: 1600's
PURPLE: 1700's
PINK: 1800'sI really wouldn't call it geographic thing, number of people from east support maidan despite all the rumors and stereotypes. As for voting that whole election was just a game of choosing lesser evil, both are bad enough.
Also those cities are just region centers, there are way older towns around, just not that populated or of a different status.
What I found in reading was that the area of Ukraine below the red line (the areas where pro-Russian sentiment is high) were always a frontier region for the Slavs and others. And were barely populated by anyone permanently until the 1700's. Before that it was the stomping ground of nomadic peoples and had a bunch of Ottoman forts. The area of Russia nearby (to the east) is very similar including the Sochi we're all watching this month.
Eventually the Russian Empire grew strong enough to pacify the region from the nomads, and kick the Turks out of their forts. And promptly started permnantly settling the area. Later it became a rust belt during early industrialization, bringing lots of people there to get jobs.So in conclusion, the roots there are not deep (seriously, all those purple cities and the pink one are younger, some by over a century than much of my area of the United Baby States). The people who moved there, be they Ukrainian or Russian or Whateverian, probably associated their lands less with medieval and non-Russian identities, but with modern Russian empire and Soviet industry.
Leading to the rift in national identity that exists today.
Lev what do you think about all this? Any big mistakes and silly generalizations on my part?
Damn, its really difficult to explain, that part of Ukraine had been kind of through a lot. It hadn't been a part of The Kiev Rus ( or whatever they call it in translations). True that it had suffered from Mongols and stuff. Russian empire had been trying to assimilate that part for a while but zaporizka sich (dunno a real translation of that either) had been mostly in control of those territories. First cozaks were rebel peasants who driven to the brink by the unfair and inhumane rule of their masters became runaways, and since the punishment was death they had to protect themselves and formed armed groups. Later other people joined them to fight for freedom from empires on both east and west, they basically formed their own country, and that country's first constitution had been the most democratic in all Europe at the time. However, In the 18th century the cozaks had been mostly exterminated or bought over by the rus government with cheap tiltles, thus the splitting of Ukraine on right dnipro bank and left dnipro bank had begun.
Saying that those parts of Ukraine are Russian is nothing short of cheap propaganda. After the ww2 with a lot of Ukrainian population destroyed and it being an important strategic and economic region the soviet union decided to send a lot of people from the east of the union to work on restoring it. Those people were sometimes paroled criminals (which explains the ever high criminal rate there) and mostly all Russians, which explains why people from those regions speak Russian instead of Ukrainian. They had been planted there on purpose. And don't even get me started on how the Russians had always been trying trample Ukrainian language, going as far as even officially forbidding it…PS: Had to consult my more history-savvy friend
Edit: titushkas opened fire, two activists got hit, one died. Another
activistberkut got his arm(hand?) blown off, due to carelessness(walked out of the line a bit too far, got the taste of friendly fire/bombing). One of berkut got taken hostage and is walking the corridor of shame to maidan stage, activist try to protect him from others (who would be more than glad to kill him) <- that man is believed to be responsible for throwing a real grenade and in process blowing to pieces another activist(still trying to leave as little damage as possible in the heated and agitated situation that it is), I think somebody said that around 30 berkut were taken hostage(or injured) one was severly injured and had lost his eye(they said it "leaked" out?! Said he is alive)Edit2: At least 20 (!) killed, more than five hundred wounded - and on that note ended the 89th day of maidan.
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Damn, I had read and been thinking about the effects of the Holodomor on that region but it completely slipped my mind.
That has to have damaged the Ukrainian identity in the region.Sitting here with Chrissie and my sister watching CNN and Kiev looks apocalyptic right now.
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@Monkey:
Damn, I had read and been thinking about the effects of the Holodomor on that region but it completely slipped my mind.
That has to have damaged the Ukrainian identity in the region.Sitting here with Chrissie and my sister watching CNN and Kiev looks apocalyptic right now.
It did!
Hell yeah it does, not all of it tho. People keep coming….
! Edit: Police from Rivne walked out of the building as a gesture of support, Rivne police is with people.
Ternopyl's attorney building was taken over, activists set all the cases connected to other activists along with clothes on fire. Activists at Ternopyl made police stand on their knees.
Yanukovich is hiding at his place
! >! Berkut that was taken hostage, the bright side he at least will be given first aid and released to seek further help at hospital
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! Another berkut that lost his eye
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@Lef:
Hell yeah it does, not all of it tho. People keep coming….
Yeah I've heard there's been lots of loss of government control in the west. Mostly Lviv.
That state systems are either ignoring the government, or being ignored by the rest of the city.How worried are you about this degenerating into civil war? I mean you're lucky in that the army is…conscription based right? So it's unlikely to just follow government orders in the first place right? This helped a ton in Tunisia if I recall, that the military was closer to the people than the government. Ultimately paralyzing the government rather than leading to Libya or Syria.
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@Monkey:
Yeah I've heard there's been lots of loss of government control in the west. Mostly Lviv.
That state systems are either ignoring the government, or being ignored by the rest of the city.How worried are you about this degenerating into civil war? I mean you're lucky in that the army is…conscription based right? So it's unlikely to just follow government orders in the first place right? This helped a ton in Tunisia if I recall, that the military was closer to the people than the government. Ultimately paralyzing the government rather than leading to Libya or Syria.
Well it's my imho concerning west, but I think people there are more patriotic and have stronger feeling of justice, it also got to do with Ukrainian insurgent army. Same could be said for system there, less propaganda more self-aware people and Lviv's mayor is an awesome person, much of Lviv's bekrut refused and resigned 2 month ago? All in all it's more civilized part of Ukraine.
As for worrying, it might be pretty awful of me to say this but I'm glad people are standing up against the corrupt and brazen system. And sweet talking that both opposition and EU officials were doing were grating on nerves, and not just mine. The army….well it was conscription based, but not anymore, the change was recent.
Information plays a big part right now, and government tries to do it's best to deliver the news in a way that would paint activists as nazis from west regions sponsored by gayrope and USA(That's the favorite arguments of the other side) so berkut and inside troops, and some others really believe that and are able to follow the orders with an enthusiasm. The veterans of afghanistan that been living at maidan since first week claimed that its possible to mobilize over 10,000 other veterans in 10 hours, and then gather some allies from army, really there are different reports about army, I can't really say anything for certain.Edit: Lviv's people got their hand on weapon storage, amazing
Edit2: Information war is on, Russian's news say that activists raided Canadian embassy, but Canadian officials refuted this and said that the embassy gave shelter to activist (forgot the reason why, they were either injured or escaping, smt) -
@Lef:
Well it's my imho concerning west, but I think people there are more patriotic and have stronger feeling of justice, it also got to do with Ukrainian insurgent army. Same could be said for system there, less propaganda more self-aware people and Lviv's mayor is an awesome person, much of Lviv's bekrut refused and resigned 2 month ago? All in all it's more civilized part of Ukraine.
As for worrying, it might be pretty awful of me to say this but I'm glad people are standing up against the corrupt and brazen system. And sweet talking that both opposition and EU officials were doing were grating on nerves, and not just mine. The army….well it was conscription based, but not anymore, the change was recent.
Information plays a big part right now, and government tries to do it's best to deliver the news in a way that would paint activists as nazis from west regions sponsored by gayrope and USA(That's the favorite arguments of the other side) so berkut and inside troops, and some other really believe that and are able to follow the orders with an enthusiasm. The veterans of afghanistan that been living at maidan since first week claimed that its possible to mobilize over 10,000 other veterans in 10 hours, and then gather some allies from army, really there are different reports about army, I can't really say anything for certain.What about partition? How likely to do you think of that?
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@Monkey:
What about partition? How likely to do you think of that?
Separation you mean? Well hard to say, on one hand there is Crimea, with soviet-russia-inclined population of Sevastopol and Russian navy, on the other Crimea got Crimean Tatars and I know for the fact that they are against the idea of handing over their(!) lands to Russia. And then there is some parts of east that are eager to join the Russia, and those parts are a bit more problematic. There is "friendly" Russia on one side, then there is Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Too many possible factors that might come into play, hopefully it won't come to that and separatist would be brought before the law.
! Edit: Mustafa(the journalist) said that the House of Trade Unions was set on fire by Berkut grenades. Protesters were unable to do it, because they kept the defense inside.
Berkut got tips on guns that allow them to fire grenades. Mustafa says the berkut is aiming the grenades at the people themselves. People's arms are blown away and legs get crushed.
! 01.50: There are four bodies on the territory of Michael's Cathedral. Killed at house of trade union
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! Maidan is full of this… weird .... ammo
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Geez, that looks like grapeshot.
Are they using metal ammunition in canisters meant for rubber bullets?
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The little balls, Here they use plastic ones to dissolve the manifestations. They supposedly hurt like hell, but they rarely penetrate skin, or break bones, a bad big scrape as long as they don't aim at your face. Iron should pack a heavier punch.
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Going to one of the biggest news sites around here I see top rated comments saying how good it is that Yanukovich called in the army to settle things with these murderers and how they tip their hats to the brave police officers.
I am not kidding.
Also that "the majority elected what they have there, so if the minority can't understand, then they have to use tanks to deal with the idiots".
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Yeah, the dark side of democracy, "the mayority won, the minority doesn't matter" even when said minority is 49,8%
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Yeah, the dark side of democracy, "the mayority won, the minority doesn't matter" even when said minority is 49,8%
that is democracy malfunction. In democracy (in theory) majority isn't supposed to unjustly oppress minorities.
"I'm a bad guy! I don't save the day, I don't fly off to the sunset and I don't get the girl! I'm going home." - MegaMind
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that is democracy malfunction. In democracy (in theory) majority isn't supposed to unjustly oppress minorities.
I'm still waiting for democracy 2.0.
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I think outside intervention/relief is impossible just because Russia seems to be eager to make this whole situation a chance to enforce image of powerful Russia who aggresively protects its intrests. Viktor Yanukovych is pro-russia almost like puppet of Kreml and Putin aggresively denies all outside interferance aslong Yanukovych and russian intrestests are protected.
EU cant do much because how divided whole organization is and Russia will surely punish EU by economic means or halting gas deliverys. I dont think Russia can be too harsh itself because large PR value olympics are running and Russia will want to keep its imago clear during olympic games.
US/Nato can't do much either because Ukraine is neighbour country of Russia and they will surely get butthurt if west supports overthrowing Yanukovych. What also makes whole mess so dangerous is that half of country is pro EU/west and second half is pro Russia…
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@No:
Going to one of the biggest news sites around here I see top rated comments saying how good it is that Yanukovich called in the army to settle things with these murderers and how they tip their hats to the brave police officers.
I am not kidding.
Also that "the majority elected what they have there, so if the minority can't understand, then they have to use tanks to deal with the idiots".
I'm honestly shocked as fuck that Czechs of all people would be talking like this about sending in tanks against people protesting Russian political dominance.
Only Hungarians would be more shocking.
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Yeah, the dark side of democracy, "the mayority won, the minority doesn't matter" even when said minority is 49,8%
lol, the real issue here (with your country as well) is that ain't nobody should buy that these elections are totally free and fair.
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@Monkey:
I'm honestly shocked as fuck that Czechs of all people would be talking like this about sending in tanks against people protesting Russian political dominance.
Only Hungarians would be more shocking.
I take it these are people too young to remember.They appear to be the leftist sympathizers so take that as you will.
Literally whatever news item it be, if it's about people dying in mineshaft accidents or nazi war criminals, they always use it as a way to berate the right.
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So the Russian government is having problems with protestors? So who do they call in?
The Cossacks of course.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/pussy-riot-attacked-with-whips-by-cossack-militia/
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I've been in self imposed media blackout to try and get some work done. I failed in both acounts misserably.
Leopoldo Lopez is in jail, and will continue to be.
Yesterday I got tons of reports of riots and stuff, the people of south western venezuela, those from beyond the andes, have been the most successful in protesting, according to that.
I'll not go to the office today.
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A more complete report: http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/
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Finland is finally voting for legalizing gay marriage and adoption rights for gay parents, we are decades behind our neighbours but I dont have much optimism regarding results, Finland is Oklahoma of Scandinavia…no whole europe. Even now we have conservative parlament members holding bible in other hand screaming how ungodly and satanic thing gay marriage will be.
And if people are not ultra conservative nor religious nuts they are plain homophobics, there is few insults more grave than calling other people gays at public. Damn I hope they will legalize gay marriage but I have dont have much hope, homophobes are just too loud and aggresive.
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It's just the Citizen Initiative for a new marriage law, it never had any chances to pass to begin with. The real problem is not that we're somehow super backwards or homophobic as a nation, that's not what this is about, it's just that the politicians in the government don't want to risk their political support among the more uncertain people who are already skeptical of the whole situation. It would be a political suicide.
This is a good start, though. The super conservative minority is vociferous, but it's getting smaller all the time. Now that the issue has been raised to this level, it won't take awfully long until someone a bit more courageous starts backing it. Ten years, maybe, but we're getting there.
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Woke up to report that Kiev is in a state of mass violence, and that the death toll has leapt from 20 or so to ONE HUNDRED.
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I cant imagine how police men can shoot to kill their fellow citizens who they should protect. I guess ukrainan milis are nothing but common thugs in univorms. All of this death and chaos caused will be in vain unless Yanukovych is removed in power, he is corrupted to the core who has made his own son and relatives among richest people in Ukraine through excessive corruption and illegal trades of federal funds.
If ukrainan people cannot oust Yanukovych then Ukraina will remain Russian puppet for next decade atleast…
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I'm praying for Ukraine.
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I cant imagine how police men can shoot to kill their fellow citizens
After having stood in the cold outdoors for two months, breathing heavy black smoke, and getting constantly pelted by bricks, stones, snowballs, sticks, and molotov cocktails? They're angry, and it's no wonder. Yanukovych isn't exactly Assad, although he's starting to veer scary close.
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So, I don't even know where to start, (but things got more personal now) -
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Bodycount
! >! So they report 67 being killed today
I don't know if it was confirmed but yesterday they said 40-50 burned alive in house of Trade union - those were the injured ones who were unable to move and escape.
Didn't have time to make inquires about yesterday, but I remember reading about a woman being shot dead.
! here is a wiki article in ukrainian
! here is in english
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Trivia! * Ternopyl berkut sided with people. The had sworn to serve the Ukrainian people and made an oath on the Bible, surrounded by 6-7 thousand residents.
- Crimea government is being as separatist as ever
- Snipers are shooting medics, who are carrying wounded
- "Tsarev in Zhulyanah, trying to fly to Moscow. Arresting this monster. His place is on the maidan" - says Danyluk. (That guy, Tsarev is a deputy, he is pro-russia, told on 18th that maidan would be cleaned in 1 hour)
- Rebels self-organized roadblocks on highways to capture titushokas and berkut. A road block is a …. turned harrow.
- Sviatoslav Vakarchuk(Okean Elsa) arrived to Parliament, tells he is ready to beg deputies to stop violence in Ukraine.
- 15.53. Law enforcement officers were ISSUED military weapons and it will be enforceable under the LAW OF UKRAINE "On Police" - Zaharchenko(an asshole).
- Police from Darnitsy is with people.
- Oleg Lyashko(I am a fan of his, neat dude):
The Parliament took a break, because Yatsenyuk Tyagnibok Klitschko went to the EU Delegation to meet with ministers of foreign affairs of Germany and Poland. The later left Yanukovych. From what I understand they have come to agreement on something and now EU officials want to share this information with faction leaders. In my presence called Kliuev, inviting the Trinity for talk with Yanukovych. I and other MPs strongly oppose this. Yanukovych should go to the Board if he wants. - Activists from Dnepropetrovsk are blocking railway so that no military can pass
- Synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kiev Patriarchate decided from February 20 to stop the commemoration government during worship.
- Lukash sent secret files the repository
- Dnipropetrovsk paratroopers on their way to Kyiv got involved in an accident: Three people were killed, 8th in reanimation
- Oleg Lyashko:
In parliament was Novyns'kiy (pyterskyy billionaire, the deputy from the Party of Regions). He did not registered and started to work on MPs from regions that have come to the parlament. That's why I demand that the trio act immediately. Otherwise Yanukovych will crush all again. What a bunch of assholes. - Ahmetov plane is currently flying to London
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Activists caught titushkas that were on their way to Kiev from Crimea
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Activists setting the bus on fire. That bus was transporting titushkas
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Medic volunteers carried burnt body to the cathedral
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Internal troops surrender in Kiev
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Evidence of Berkut using firearms, while officials claim that rioters shoot themselves
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Odessa, titushkas in helmets beat activists on the local maidan
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Personal
! University
! One of our university students died on 18.02.14. Even thought today was announced as day of mourning by government( Ha-Ha-hA!) students and teachers mostly mourned the student.
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Pictures taken by me
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His name was Sasha Plehanov, 22. And today he would of received his diploma, but alas killed even thought he wore the vest(the bullet pierced through and went right into chest).
Here is some trivia I heard from our group-mates So, student was killed and university refuses to acknowledge it, because politics. Also, university administration, despite dean's efforts, hinders attempts to create local medical stations on university grounds(The rector badmouthed our Dean, said the dead student wasn't ours, and that everyone who brought candles were paid). But it was created, nonetheless!! >!
Funny thing, I brought today a new SIM card for the portable modem(because the old one was out of use for years and thus useless) I needed it to pass my overdue(very painfully overdue) test that required net connection, all in all that thing was useless I had to take the test via my phone. Later today when I was getting ready to leave university, because all the lessons were canceled, I passed by my groupmate who informed me about the donations being open, I decided to throw in some cash as well. And then among all the other announcements(such as creation of said medical spot) those students made, they said they will get a new phone number, so that everyone will be able to keep in touch. So that's where I come in, with my extra sim card, brand new, and with cash on it
Family
! >! So, I learnt today that my uncle, that is working as a waiter in hotel Ukraine(which is basically in the area of conflict), has been hiding underground the second day, together with corpses…. The story behind it? Some assholes broke into kitchen and opened fire. Thankfully later today somebody guided survivors to freedom via catacombs. -
God damn thats some serious shit there, those police men loyal to the 'goverment' seems to actively trying to kill protesters as much as they can, really nice work with temporary medical station, there should be hundreds of people needing medical aid during that chaos and I hope your school members can help them without endangering yourself anymore, police seems to thrown all restraints away so I cant even imagine how dangerous streets can be, try to stay safe there!
On other hand people should not give in to police brutality and there seem to be some major progress going on against Yanukovych but going on streets knowing that you might get killed any moment from sniper bullet takes enourmous courage, I just hope you guys stay safe…helping wounded is always great thing to do and there are alot of people needing help there.
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Lef, that is really terrible but I'm glad your uncle is okay. Extremely sorry about the person at university dying too.
And after this I do believe Yanukovich should be held accountable for crimes against humanity, because opening fire on medical personel violates pretty much every existing treaty and agreement on every level and is probably one of the worst things a regime can do.
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@No:
Lef, that is really terrible but I'm glad your uncle is okay. Extremely sorry about the person at university dying too.
And after this I do believe Yanukovich should be held accountable for crimes against humanity, because opening fire on medical personel violates pretty much every existing treaty and agreement on every level and is probably one of the worst things a regime can do.
Thanks, concerning the medics, they been opening fire on redcross, medics, press, they kidnap people even if they are in ER, and they tore down the field medical station(together with all the meds and stuff). So nothing new
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Church tent before it was set on fire on 18th
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Roadblocks set up by activists(In different parts of Ukraine) to filter out berkut and titushkas
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Museum of ammunition used against activists!
Edit: So I got my hands on chronological recording of events, during those…3 days. Will try to translate, sometime.
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Are those grapeshot pellets? _Metal_ grapeshot pellets?
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@Cyan:
Are those grapeshot pellets? _Metal_ grapeshot pellets?
I don't really understand how those are used, but they use many metal ammo. Metal enough to pierce armor
Edit: Mustafa Nayyem:
The Parliament is going to vote a resolution:
1 Prohibiting the use of firearms by law enforcement against protesters (MAJORITY VOTED IN FAVOR)
2 Withdrawal of law enforcement units to places of dislocation.(MAJORITY VOTED IN FAVOR)The anti-terrorist operations is to be halted in Ukraine
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This is escalating quickly isn't it.
Lef thank you so much for all this, I had the feeling you were eager to share before, but we were all pretty (I know I was) lethargic toward the issue. Not anymore.
Please continue to update and post information. It will not go unread I promise you.Good luck, the best for Ukraine.
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@Monkey:
This is escalating quickly isn't it.
Lef thank you so much for all this, I had the feeling you were eager to share before, but we were all pretty (I know I was) lethargic toward the issue. Not anymore.
Please continue to update and post information. It will not go unread I promise you.Good luck, the best for Ukraine.
Well…. I must admit you've hit a bull's eye. Tomorrow is a free day so I'll be able to keep an eye on everything I can, and make updates.
