! I feel like I should wait until next chapter, especially if we get to see the journey of Toriko/Komatsu go back to the human world, but even if we do, I still think this could be one of the worst time skips I've ever read in a manga series.
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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! I think Shima know what he is doing. But it's weird. Komatsu kidnapped before TS, with Toriko post TS. This chapter should get us into the gourmet world, but the first thing they are doing is preparing to go back to the HW. We were also all very excited to see Toriko struggling through GW, but now we know he is already there 1.5 years….
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! Once again shima gives a big f u to timeskip expectations.
Getting stronger for the GW? He's been in there for a year.
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! Once again shima gives a big f u to timeskip expectations.
Getting stronger for the GW? He's been in there for a year.
Saving komatsu? Whoops already done.
Trainings? What trainings?Once again? When did it happen before?
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! As far as I can recall Mitsutoshi hasn't made any mistake in the overall progression of the story. He has been planning this for one entire month, so of course it has a purpose.
! I for one welcome this development with open arms, not only because he followed a completely opposite path of the one an author normally does whenever there's a timeskip, but also because everybody and their mother expected the first arc to focus on Toriko getting Komatsu back and it turned out he already did that. -
! As far as I can recall Mitsutoshi hasn't made any mistake in the overall progression of the story. He has been planning this for one entire month, so of course it has a purpose.
! I for one welcome this development with open arms, not only because he followed a completely opposite path of the one an author normally does whenever there's a timeskip, but also because everybody and their mother expected the first arc to focus on Toriko getting Komatsu back and it turned out he already did that.! That is the entire problem. We all wanted to see the GW for years. Now we were set up to believe it was time to show it and see it with Toriko for the first time….to find out he has 1.5 years of experience now. There is nothing against a surprise or 2, but this goes against everything that has been set up. And now they are LEAVING GW. It's just weird, but I do need to see way more and way more info
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! That is the entire problem. We all wanted to see the GW for years. Now we were set up to believe it was time to show it and see it with Toriko for the first time….to find out he has 1.5 years of experience now. There is nothing against a surprise or 2, but this goes against everything that has been set up. And now they are LEAVING GW. It's just weird, but I do need to see way more and way more info
! It should be pretty obvious that we're going to get a lengthy (as in at least 2 years, if not more) of flashback chronicling every detail of what occurred in the Gourmet World over the past 18 months (Toriko time) very soon. To be honest, I half expected something like this to happen. Komatsu needs to meet back up with the rest of the main cast, we need to see Terry again & most importantly Toriko needs to venture into the 1st Biotope with the other kings in order to find the last item of Ichiryuu's Full Course so that Komatsu can cook it to ensure Human Worlds continuity.
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I don't understand what happened here xD Strange move.
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Once again? When did it happen before?
Maybe I need to clarify my post
! I for one am not bothered at all by shimas choice of story telling. He's done a lot of f u's towards the general shonen system before (mellow cola 'calorie system' - livebearer's off panelled 'final battle' - 'cooking' festival with no cooking). So I guess its no surprise that hes taken a rsik by skipping ALL of the predictions and usual expectations we made for the timeskip (komatsus growth/training/enntering GW). But maybe we'll see whats really going on in future chapters.
I love toriko and I have all of viz's tanks, but at the same time I dont take it too seriously and just go with the flow. Mayybe some here got frustrated because things arent going the way they thought itd be but hey its not a bad thing. Its not the worst time skip ever just bcos we dont know the heck is going on in one chapter cmon. Remember the mantra 'explained in future chapters'. Rememmberr welll. It usually is the case, no?Small off topic rant, I prefer a few of light chapters like this compared to constant packed ones like in recent one piece chapters…. if read weekly, OP is great as many things are revealed in 18 pages. But read in tankobons, its cluttered, cramped and generally horrible. My bro whos an avid op fan (stopped reading for a time) said that op's too havoc now and he cant understand a thing that's going on.
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Just a reminder for everyone. Coco did say in an earlier chapter that soon Toriko and Komatsu wouldn't be a problem to worry about. Now we understand why.
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Just a reminder for everyone. Coco did say in an earlier chapter that soon Toriko and Komatsu wouldn't be a problem to worry about. Now we understand why.
No I don't, light me up
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Just a reminder for everyone. Coco did say in an earlier chapter that soon Toriko and Komatsu wouldn't be a problem to worry about. Now we understand why.
Not really.
! Soon =/= 0.5-1.5 years later.
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! It should be pretty obvious that we're going to get a lengthy (as in at least 2 years, if not more) of flashback chronicling every detail of what occurred in the Gourmet World over the past 18 months (Toriko time) very soon. To be honest, I half expected something like this to happen. Komatsu needs to meet back up with the rest of the main cast, we need to see Terry again & most importantly Toriko needs to venture into the 1st Biotope with the other kings in order to find the last item of Ichiryuu's Full Course so that Komatsu can cook it to ensure Human Worlds continuity.
! True, I guess…still weird that this has to be 1.5 years later. With the Eclipse being rumoured to be within 6 months (true, NEO members said Ichiryuu spread false info, which might be this. I'm just gonna wait a few chapters. Things will be made clear, but for now you can understand the general confusion
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Maybe I need to clarify my post
He's done a lot of f u's towards the general shonen system before (mellow cola 'calorie system' - livebearer's off panelled 'final battle' - 'cooking' festival with no cooking). But maybe we'll see whats really going on in future chapters.Are you implying in some way that Shima skipping the cooking in the, you know, COOKING FESTIVAL, was a good way to "fuck" with the usual Shonen formula?
Sorry, but I think the general consensus was that Shima made a huge mistake by skipping all the potentially awesome settings in the cooking festival. That's not a "f u" to Shonen in general, that's just skipping exciting content lots of readers were interested on.
Small off topic rant, I prefer a few of light chapters like this compared to constant packed ones like in recent one piece chapters…. if read weekly, OP is great as many things are revealed in 18 pages. But read in tankobons, its cluttered, cramped and generally horrible. My bro whos an avid op fan (stopped reading for a time) said that op's too havoc now and he cant understand a thing that's going on.
End ranting.Not really, Dressrosa might be cramped, but so far it's pretty good, and it's not that difficult to follow.
Also, while I've also been critizising Oda for jumping around too much in order to cover as much content as possible every single chapter, I don't think that in itself is inherently worse than the chapters where Joa appeared in Toriko, chapters that took exactly 1 minute to read and consisted mostly of (very elaborate) reaction shots. They were focused, yes, but lacked content.
Opinions, I guess?
More on topic, I admit Shima at least grabbed by attention with this bizarre way of setting the new arc. It seems like a move that could backfire, but we have no way of knowing as of now. So, yes, he has my attention.
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Nice surgery there Komatsu. It reminds me to that Simpsons episode with Moe.
Komatsu's hippo face was his charm, now he is only a generic looking goody-two-shoes.
As someone who hated Komatsu's constant….whatever the hell it was he made with his face whenever anything mildly unusual happened, I do think this new look is kinda generic.
Not gonna comment on the rest until I see a proper translation but….it seems rather risky to say the least.
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Are you implying in some way that Shima skipping the cooking in the, you know, COOKING FESTIVAL, was a good way to "fuck" with the usual Shonen formula?
Sorry, but I think the general consensus was that Shima made a huge mistake by skipping all the potentially awesome settings in the cooking festival. That's not a "f u" to Shonen in general, that's just skipping exciting content lots of readers were interested on.
Not really, Dressrosa might be cramped, but so far it's pretty good, and it's not that difficult to follow.
Also, while I've also been critizising Oda for jumping around too much in order to cover as much content as possible every single chapter, I don't think that in itself is inherently worse than the chapters where Joa appeared in Toriko, chapters that took exactly 1 minute to read and consisted mostly of (very elaborate) reaction shots. They were focused, yes, but lacked content.
Opinions, I guess?
More on topic, I admit Shima at least grabbed by attention with this bizarre way of setting the new arc. It seems like a move that could backfire, but we have no way of knowing as of now. So, yes, he has my attention.
Made worse that a few chapters earlier he spent a whole chapter on just introducing random unimportant new characters who wouldn't figure into anything at all, or heck giving full page introductions to characters who wouldn't even make it past the preliminaries and would point, like Gen-Chan.
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I think it's a mix of wanting new readers to inmerse in the story without having to read the previous 264 chapters before getting into this part (they can do it later, and it pretty much would feel like reading an insanely long flashback) and finding a formula to attract the interest of the reader upon the return of the series. Surely he succeeded, mostly. If it will backfire or not is a different matter, but he had been planning this for an entire month and probably a lot more, so something will come out of it for sure.
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"You thought Toriko and Komatsu were going to have new looks? Nope."
"You thought Komatsu was still with the Bishokukai? Nope."
"You thought Act 2 will be about the Gourmet World? Nope." (although this could change)
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Zebra's all 'please kill me' in the colorspread.
but nobody can kill him.
Because he is zebra.
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! That is the entire problem. We all wanted to see the GW for years. Now we were set up to believe it was time to show it and see it with Toriko for the first time….to find out he has 1.5 years of experience now. There is nothing against a surprise or 2, but this goes against everything that has been set up. And now they are LEAVING GW. It's just weird, but I do need to see way more and way more info
This. Pretty much. There's no real reason to have this timeskip. Why gloss over such important events like Toriko's first journey into the Gourmet World or saving Komatsu? Or if, like some people are suggesting, it will be revealed later in a flashback, why wouldn't you just show it in real time? What value is there in skipping forward if you're planning on showing the events anyways? Or if the audience wants a flashback to see those events? And what benefit is there to setting up major events if you're just skipping it and starting with a whole new story 1.5 years in the future? And you're suggesting to just go back to the Human World!
I realize many people here are forgiving, or maybe don't have my cynicism, but seriously? People are seriously okay with this?
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The fact that Toriko spent 6 months in GW in order to get Komatsu back means that we'll go trough a rescue arc with a bit more detail. But since we also got a very new plot point at the end i'm not sure what to think anymore.
Still this chapter doesn't make that much sense, even if right after this week we get to know what happened in detail it kinda looks like a flashforward (…that happens in the present ?). So yeah even in the best of scenarios the chapter is misplaced.
Oh and Komatsu STILL getting shocked by what Toriko can do is just meh.
Oh and i just realised that they already returned to the human world by the end of the chapter...
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Maybe Shima just wants to get the series over with for some reason?
I don't know why he'd want to, seeing as how successful it is; but it would explain why he's been rushing so much lately (coughcookingfestivalcough).
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What if all of Act 2 is just a flashback?
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This. Pretty much. There's no real reason to have this timeskip. Why gloss over such important events like Toriko's first journey into the Gourmet World or saving Komatsu? Or if, like some people are suggesting, it will be revealed later in a flashback, why wouldn't you just show it in real time? What value is there in skipping forward if you're planning on showing the events anyways? Or if the audience wants a flashback to see those events? And what benefit is there to setting up major events if you're just skipping it and starting with a whole new story 1.5 years in the future? And you're suggesting to just go back to the Human World!
I realize many people here are forgiving, or maybe don't have my cynicism, but seriously? People are seriously okay with this?
I'm sure his reasons will be explained. I don't see it as that big of a deal. Have faith.
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Maybe the reason it was skipped over is so they can do a flashback instead and people won't complain she l about the flashback being a rush job.
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I remember back when the result of the Midora-Ichy fight was revealed. A lot of you guys jumped the gun and stated that the fight has been off panelled but that did not turn out to be the case. Have faith in Shima
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Doing a flashforward of a year and a half (Komatsu 6 months with bishokukai and 1 year with Toriko) allows Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro being selective when it comes to tell about the past year and a half. He can rush the 6 months "training" of Komatsu with bishokukai and the hypothetical rescue of Toriko. Also, moving away the focus out of Human World this 1,5 year makes the Human World and also characters like Coco or Sunny grow. And of course they are coming back to Human World at this moment. Bishokuyas are supposed to help the Human World gathering food from Gourmet World. I suspect we will have about 10-20 chapters of Human World before focusing back to Gourmet World.
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Maybe Shima just wants to get the series over with for some reason?
I don't know why he'd want to, seeing as how successful it is; but it would explain why he's been rushing so much lately (coughcookingfestivalcough).
There's some speculation that the anime is rushing to an end. Maybe the only reason for the timeskip was giving them a clear ending point.
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really fun and beautifully drawn chapter. and quite a nice tease for the new plot at the end of the chapter.. looking forward for this second part od the story..
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Judging by how it is presented here, I expect Komatsus rescue and the 1st biotope arc to be shown in flashback panels or scenes, as opposed to flashback "arcs".
Like, someone is surprised at seeing Komatsu, and Komatsu gives a brief resume of the rescue with a flashback panel of Toriko in front of Bishokukai HQ. Or one of the 4 kings witnesses Toriko doing a move, and thinks back to "thats a perfected version of the move he used against the Barlgonistic Snagglesaurus in the 1st biotope!", with a small flashback of said event.Its not the worst time skip ever just bcos we dont know the heck is going on in one chapter cmon. Remember the mantra 'explained in future chapters'. Rememmberr welll. It usually is the case, no?
Ooohh, did I start a Thing?
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This. Pretty much. There's no real reason to have this timeskip. Why gloss over such important events like Toriko's first journey into the Gourmet World or saving Komatsu? Or if, like some people are suggesting, it will be revealed later in a flashback, why wouldn't you just show it in real time? What value is there in skipping forward if you're planning on showing the events anyways? Or if the audience wants a flashback to see those events? And what benefit is there to setting up major events if you're just skipping it and starting with a whole new story 1.5 years in the future? And you're suggesting to just go back to the Human World!
I realize many people here are forgiving, or maybe don't have my cynicism, but seriously? People are seriously okay with this?
I kinda am not either but I don't want to show too much negativity in this thread if the response is overwhelmingly positive.
But I do kinda thing it was a misstep to set up the previous chapters the way they were set up, and then just have things at this stage the next chapter. I do know he's trying to go for a big change to keep everyone guessing, and he might succeed with that.
Just the first impression is a bit eh.
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I'm sure his reasons will be explained. I don't see it as that big of a deal. Have faith.
The age old mantra of "Shima will come back and adress that at some point, don't worry".
How often has that actually happened ?
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Judging by how it is presented here, I expect Komatsus rescue and the 1st biotope arc to be shown in flashback panels or scenes, as opposed to flashback "arcs".
The month long break made me completely forget Shima was setting up another arc for Toriko in the meantime.
Okay, skipping that seems really dumb to me.
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Chocolate Rain, eh? Too bad we aren't in 2007 anymore.
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Damnit Shima, I liked the new looks.
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One month ago I criticised heavily those who were saying a timeskip was coming. There was no reason, tasks at hand. At most I'd be ok with one month but that couldn't be called a timeskip for Toriko. It is WEIRD.
But I always give props to Shima. His story-telling might be fast and undetailed at times it is pre-structured. He has a plan in his mind and he is establishing it. Not skipping randomly or because he just felt like it. Since it is a decision he made and knowing he does work on his series I can only respect his decision. I trust him in this aspect.
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I'm not under the impression they already went to the 1st Biotope. If that were indeed the case and they gathered the last ingredient in Ichiryuu's Full Course then there would be no point in spending 1 year collecting all that food, since it has been stated the completion of Ichiryuu's Full Course brings forth a new ingredient that can be eaten infinitely.
Oh, and I liked the fact Toriko was living like a caveman. Was he sleeping above a sea of grass?
And Komatsu being shocked at what Toriko can do or crying for the smallest thing shouldn't surprise anyone at this point. It's in his character, taking it away would be like ditching Usopp's scaredy cat antics.
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timekidnap skip. Gave the chapter a new beginning feel. Gonna assume we'll see what happened later. Still loving Gourmet World and wanna see more but a trip back to Human World isn't bad as long as it's interesting and sets up the real Gourmet World exploration.My fear is that Toriko goes back and forth between the worlds each arc. At this point when he leaves Human World again I don't want him coming back for a long time.
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Barlgonistic Snagglesaurus
hahaha xD laughed to much at this xD
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I fear one thing judging by this chapter. That Gourmet World will turn out like a Grand Line - scary from the outside, chaotic in the beginning, but moderated in hardness with dangers left behind the frames in reality. I want a Gourmet World that makes Jirou, man who stopped the world with a punch without breaking a sweat, go sober whenever he takes a stroll into.
And I hope we will get told why Midora nuked human world.
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Lost in the retrieval of Komatsu. So sad. So heartbreaking.
I fear one thing judging by this chapter. That Gourmet World will turn out like a Grand Line - scary from the outside, chaotic in the beginning, but moderated in hardness with dangers left behind the frames in reality.
Which would make even less sense than in OP since it's not like civilization is in there.
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I think Zebra killed Terry to make that fur coat.
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Controversial chapter, but I'm glad Toriko is back. Seems I like the series more than I thought!
Not much to comment though, this basically felt like a "wake up" chapter to me. Looking forward to all the flashback dedicated chapters which are sure to come. And Toriko chopping Komatsu's nose back to normal.
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Looking forward to Toriko chopping Komatsu's nose back to normal.
You never know how much you miss something until its gone.
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I think Zebra killed Terry to make that fur coat.
And then he accidentally washed his whites with his colours, and lo and behold, Terry's fur became pink.
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And then he accidentally washed his whites with his colours, and lo and behold, Terry's fur became pink.
That's pink?
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That's pink?
the fur coat is white.
Your passing way to much time with Doflamingo Fuji.:ninja:A tinge of pink I'm sure, perhaps a bit of lavender flair. Anyway that's because of his washing it with his wifebeaters.
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Well, I'm glad at least some people have gotten the whole "This is a purposeful subversion of tropes" thing. There's no rescue Komatsu arc because that's obvious. There'll obviously be some explanation as to what's gone on. I loved this chapter for how original it all was. Especially the "everyone's got new haircuts!" followed by them cutting it back to how it was. I really don't get why someone has a problem with a "timeskip" of just a year and a half… It's not like, important. It's nothing, it's just indicating that time has passed and certain events will be shown in flashback. It doesn't mean like... anything magical.
Part of why I love this series so much is for its original story telling in that regard. Shimabukuro always comes up with surprises. Villains don't always get defeated, not everything strong has a big fight, not everything that's mentioned is important, weak characters have strong moments, strong characters have weak moments, some stuff's shown, some stuff isn't shown, things that don't have a major effect on the plot go by quickly even though they could be really drawn out, sometimes there's a double-bluff but it always has a logical explanation. It's also very planned out in that way, because it has tons of foreshadowing. As opposed to like, Naruto or something.
You're free to disagree with me, but I'll never understand all the posts that happen once in a while in this thread for "There was no reason to do this", "it was supposed to go like this", "you can't do that" or "it was setup for this to happen so now it has to happen" when it's trying to be subversive or original by not doing a cliche.
If you don't get Shimabukuro's love for that sorta thing, it really comes out in Seikimatsu Leader Den Takeshi. That manga is like a full-on parody of battle manga, yet it has tons of heart to it. It's got all kinds of trope-breaking and shit, but it's way less serious than Toriko. I'm hoping some year I'll have time to translate it.
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Not a fan of this timeskip at all, really didnt like the chapter because of it, waiting for the next chapters to see where the heck this is going.
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I have a question though.
Does this mean the entire Bishokukai organization(what was left of it) got off panel?I really doubt there were any fights.
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I really doubt there were any fights.
So the Bishokukai let Komatsu go or did the rescue team abandoned the other chefs to their luck?
Either way it sounds quite worrisome.