@Shobu:
Would be great if Goa King's fiancee is Luffy's mother x3
My theory is that the Goa King is Luffy's maternal grandfather (Garp being his paternal). And that the princess (probably dead??) is Luffy's mom.
@Shobu:
Would be great if Goa King's fiancee is Luffy's mother x3
My theory is that the Goa King is Luffy's maternal grandfather (Garp being his paternal). And that the princess (probably dead??) is Luffy's mom.
@Monkey:
My theory is that the Goa King is Luffy's maternal grandfather (Garp being his paternal). And that the princess (probably dead??) is Luffy's mom.
That could be one reason Dragon was interested in Goa.
That could be one reason Dragon was interested in Goa.
Except the fact he was born in there?
I wouldn't expect much from her though. I would laugh so hard If Sabo's little brother is married to the princess of Goa or something of nature.
That will certainly make Outlook really proud. After all, he only consider his son worth by being able to marry a princess. I will also find it really funny if Sabo has a group of princess who likes him. XD
Except the fact he was born in there?
I assume that's why Vectorkov said "one reason" rather than "the reason".
Personally, I don't think Luffy's mom has any relation to Goa whatsoever.
The King of Goa doesn't really look that old to me in the flashback. If he had children, they will be around late 10s to early 20s.
Wasn't he silhouetted? I honest to god don't remember now.
I don't often agree with MK over there, but he might be correct on this one. If King of Goa is Luffy's maternal grandfather, one would expected his daughter to be fierce, but kind spirited person, that in the end met an end similar to Homing.
And let's be honest, Dragon does seem like a guy to wage war on the world because of something like that.
Wasn't he silhouetted? I honest to god don't remember now.
Yeah, he was.
Honestly, I didn't even cared how he looks like.
And let's be honest, Dragon does seem like a guy to wage war on the world because of something like that.
That could have been the tipping point, but surely there's more to it than that.
That could have been the tipping point, but surely there's more to it than that.
Dunno, I'm somewhat fond of the idea that great things can be done for superficial reasons. It humanizes characters a bit, imho.
And let's be honest, Dragon does seem like a guy to wage war on the world because of something like that.
I really wouldn't like that outcome. Staging a revolution solely just because your lover died seem really petty.
While Whitebeard did technically wage war against the marine just for Ace, Dragon doesn't strike me as that sort of character.
I really wouldn't like that outcome. Staging a revolution solely just because your lover died seem really petty.
While Whitebeard did technically wage war against the marine just for Ace, Dragon doesn't strike me as that sort of character.
Not like his family hasn't been petty. No sir.
They are at the very least nepotic. And Luffy's motives during Impel Down are most definetly petty.
Revolutions are often petty in nature.
And I will be honest, I prefer that to selfless heroism of abadonding everything to fight the rightous fight for the freedom of mankind, or some similar construct.
Not like his family hasn't been petty. No sir.
They are at the very least nepotic. And Luffy's motives during Impel Down are most definetly petty.
Revolutions are often petty in nature.
And I will be honest, I prefer that to selfless heroism of abadonding everything to fight the rightous fight for the freedom of mankind, or some similar construct.
Maybe the pettiness skip a generation. Dragon is definitely more serious than them and doesn't simply blurt out family history.
Anyway, the key word is 'solely'. I can accept it being one of the reason. I can see Dragon being partially driven by the bolded part.
Maybe the pettiness skip a generation. Dragon is definitely more serious than them and doesn't simply blurt out family history.
Anyway, the key word is 'solely'. I can accept it being one of the reason. I can see Dragon being partially driven by the bolded part.
I still dislike it. Man who seek changes by the way of war do not get to indulge in self-justified glory.
If you were actually that, you would not seek to change things by killing/imprisoning those people.
Reasons I can respect Gandhi, but not the guys behind French Revolution, for example.
Not like his family hasn't been petty. No sir.
They are at the very least nepotic. And Luffy's motives during Impel Down are most definetly petty.
Revolutions are often petty in nature.
And I will be honest, I prefer that to selfless heroism of abadonding everything to fight the rightous fight for the freedom of mankind, or some similar construct.
If Oda does go the route of Dragon being a man driven by a petty cause, we can only hope he doesn't turn out like Obito…..
I really wouldn't like that outcome. Staging a revolution solely just because your lover died seem really petty..
That's a Naruto plot right there and something like that will never happen in OP.
Not like his family hasn't been petty. No sir.
They are at the very least nepotic. And Luffy's motives during Impel Down are most definetly petty.
Revolutions are often petty in nature.
And I will be honest, I prefer that to selfless heroism of abadonding everything to fight the rightous fight for the freedom of mankind, or some similar construct.
Well, Dragon seems more concerned with the state of Goa and the world in general than any sort of personal revenge, so we know it's not his primary motivation.
And you know, the idea of Luffy being secretly royalty sounds really weird.
That's a Naruto plot right there and something like that will never happen in OP.
It's the Obito thing that concern me. Oda is a good writer but it's hard…
Admittedly I prefer for it not to happen but I'm ok with the idea.
It's the Obito thing that concern me. Oda is a good writer but it's hard…
Admittedly I prefer for it not to happen but I'm ok with the idea.
Dragon waging war on the World Government for such pity reason is a no-no, his decision to go against them has to be pretty huge assuming that he was probably living with Garp or supervised by him from time to time. I like the idea that he was a Marine and learned some stuff that completely changed his point of view toward them rather than some lost lover.
Well, Dragon seems more concerned with the state of Goa and the world in general than any sort of personal revenge, so we know it's not his primary motivation.
And you know, the idea of Luffy being secretly royalty sounds really weird.
I'm pretty sure bastard sons of low class outsiders (Dragon) don't have claims to thrones.
Ds don't need to have thrones. They are already natural Godslayers.
I think it would be interesting if Dragon had been in CP0 with the assignment of protecting/managing the Celestial Dragons. Imagine what he could learn about the world and its history in that position and how potentially disgusted one could become with the system while working for the CDs. Combine that with whatever probably happened with Luffy's mother and you've got a man on a mission.
Dragon waging war on the World Government for such pity reason is a no-no, his decision to go against them has to be pretty huge assuming that he was probably living with Garp or supervised by him from time to time. I like the idea that he was a Marine and learned some stuff that completely changed his point of view toward them rather than some lost lover.
I agree 100%
I think Oda will hadnle it well and I really do hope that he was a marine until he saw some really shady shit and on top off that he saw Garp not doing anything against it.
I think it would be interesting if Dragon had been in CP0 with the assignment of protecting/managing the Celestial Dragons. Imagine what he could learn about the world and its history in that position and how potentially disgusted one could become with the system while working for the CDs. Combine that with whatever probably happened with Luffy's mother and you've got a man on a mission.
Hardly, the guy is a D and the last thing the elders will want is for a D to learn about the true history, also, Luffy being some sort royalty is going to be so freaking awful that is not even funny.
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@MJR.:
I think Oda will hadnle it well and I really do hope that he was a marine until he saw some really shady shit and on top off that he saw Garp not doing anything against it.
Yeah, those exposition arcs will definitely be worth the wait, the guy has probably been planning those scenes for ages now and when the time comes he will definitely deliver.
the guy is a D and the last thing the elders will want is for a D to learn about the true history
You could say the same about his father Garp.
also, Luffy being some sort royalty is going to be so freaking awful that is not even funny.
As MK pointed out, I don't think he has a legitimate claim to any royalty so we shouldn't have to worry about that.
You could say the same about his father Garp.
Don't think I could say the same thing about Garp though, CP0 has way more privileges than Vice Admiral/Admiral/Fleet Admiral and even though Garp was well respect in the Marines I don't think the WG really allows them to be free - free, just going by Kuzan's word back in PH you can realize that his knowledge was limited inside the Marines.
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As MK pointed out, I don't think he has a legitimate claim to any royalty so we shouldn't have to worry about that.
I'm not even worried about that, I was just pointing out the obvious.
You could say the same about his father Garp.
Whether the World Nobles object to Garp's high position would definitely be an interesting thing to know.
Something tells me Garp doesn't know about this whole Natural Enemy thing.
Something tells me Garp doesn't know about this whole Natural Enemy thing.
I think he does or at least is somewhat aware of things concerning the taboo history and the nature of the D's. I figure Garp came to the conclusion that being in the Marines and operating the way he does is the best way to keep the world safe.
I figure Garp came to the conclusion that being in the Marines and operating the way he does is the best way to keep the world safe.
I don't think Garp thinks of himself as a hero… wait, he's Garp "The Hero".
Mah, don't have opinion about it.
How awkward would it have been if Garp accepted the promotion to admiral offers. A "D" Admiral protecting celestial dragons. Lol
Even if Garp doesn't know it, the Nobles certainly do. Would be interesting if they also played a part in him not getting the Admiral position, in addition to his own reluctance.
@Hamburger:
Even if Garp doesn't know it, the Nobles certainly do. Would be interesting if they also played a part in him not getting the Admiral position, in addition to his own reluctance.
Nah, he got offered the position several times and turned it down so that he wouldn't be so constrained.
Nah, he got offered the position several times and turned it down so that he wouldn't be so constrained.
And it's like with any job I guess.
The people high up always have extra responsibilities such as more meetings and other annoying things which take out the time that can be spent elsewhere kicking back.
Now that Doffy mentioned this "weapon" the celestrial dragons have , i believe it will be stolen or activated during the reverie.
Being in Maryjoa for the reverie and turning the world even into more chaos would benefit this idea…it might not be usable for the person who gets in contact with it, but for the celestrial dragons the world will turn into hell.
The reverie arc/chapters will be packed with information and epicness.
At least that is what I'm hoping for.
SHs involved or not is the biggest question mark so far for me^^
@Don:
SHs involved or not is the biggest question mark so far for me^^
I'd prefer not. Maybe like between Zou and Wano or even Dressrosa and Zou. Though i want to see the Swirleybrows first.
Would be okay to see just a small part of the crew directly involved.
With the Swirlyhats we might have a chance, but i don't think Oda is willing to do that without Luffy in it.
I do not think there would be any credible development in the story that would explain some of the Strawhats going to Mariejoa at this point. At the end of the manga, sure, but now…
I do not think there would be any credible development in the story that would explain some of the Strawhats going to Mariejoa at this point. At the end of the manga, sure, but now…
Same was with Impel Down and we were presented a way.
Knowing of the reverie since volumne 17 and having all this hype leading up to the now coming one (which is only every 4 years!) i can´t see it not being in the spotlight.
It sure is possible without the SHs, but just getting from it the news that the shichibukai-system is done etc, would feel like we missed something important.
We haven't seen none of the Strawhats really care about the political aspects of the world besides Robin and we know she can't go there, so everything rest in Vivi's hands at this point.
We might actually get Vivi in active role now. Being a Straw Hat herself, I wouldn't be surprised if we get the Reverie through her eyes.
Vivi might end up being the "voice" of the Straw Hats, probably telling everyone what really happened on all the islands the SHs dropped by on.
The reverie is sure an option to bring back Vivi, but i can´t see her being strong enough to carry the story for more than 1-2 chapters to cover the reverie …but it´s possible.
Vivi was a great and strong character when she was with the Strawhats, but she's been very personality bereft every-time we saw her since.
Hopefully Oda can recapture that stubborness of hers on some level.
Vivi, Dalton, Shirahoshi, there's plenty of royalty that owes the Strawhats to provide the audience with sympathetic POV characters. And now Dresserossa?
Possibly Iceburg depending on what his station as leader of Water 7 counts for.
Of course, Wapol is a world leader now (again) too. ANd obviously the bubblehead Celestial Dragons.
We're obviously going to see Sabo's brother Stelly again, all grown up. Maybe not at Reverie, but we will see him again.
Hancock as well depending on exactly what the Kuja situation is and with her being a warlord and all. Most certainly Wano in a couple days (in story time) and eventually Elbaf probably? Those might all be outside of the system however.
Oda could absolutely populate the Reverie with familiar faces. But even if it was happening immediately, I don't think we're going to see it for many many years yet, given the immediate timetable of Big Mom's party and all.