And suddenly Cavendish has becomed an interesting character!
I dont like how DD makes same mistake than Crocodile. When does the day come, when villain doesnt underistimate The SH's? I guess that would be day of their death.
Chapter 734: "Rommel's Whirlwind"
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❝ I have no sympathy for criminals…
But for my family, I do. ❞
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At least Rebecca dodge the super fast blow.
Those guys seriously got down with just one slash? unimpressed.
Cavendish spllited personality is a interesting idea. I'm no fan of it because i hate the "demon sleeping inside of you" idea, but it is intersting. Seems to be base on doctor Jenkins and Mr Hyde.
Love Hakuba design (The Nanika face) and the way he moves. Seems like a psycho on a killing spree. But i wonder if he slash just each person just one time or if he is capable of a real fight. Anyway is speed is crazily impressive.
Doflamingo is definitely the guy ho have underestimate the strawhats the most while also overestimating himself. So much for his hype and his "I won't underestimate the strawhats"
Still love his sense of humor by puting Law on the Heart seat. But he should really kill him if he has no plan for him.
Lets clear this once and for all:
There is a difference between underestimating and unknown elements screwing up your plans without your knowledge. If he knew Sabo would show up and take Luffys spot in the Arena, im pretty sure he would have a different attitude at the moment. But to his knowledge, Luffy is still stuck in the arena, half of the SHs are hiding at sea wich leaves only Franky and Zoro as current threats, wich on paper should be no match for the entire Donquixote family, an Admiral and himself, who just manhandled schichibukai Law like Fodder.Again, NOT KNOWING about luffys current position and about the dwarfs incoming attack is not the same as underestimating them.
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The spoiler thread for this chapter was the best comedy this year. 10/10 would read again
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Lets clear this once and for all:
There is a difference between underestimating and unknown elements screwing up your plans without your knowledge. If he knew Sabo would show up and take Luffys spot in the Arena, im pretty sure he would have a different attitude at the moment. But to his knowledge, Luffy is still stuck in the arena, half of the SHs are hiding at sea wich leaves only Franky and Zoro as current threats, wich on paper should be no match for the entire Donquixote family, an Admiral and himself, who just manhandled schichibukai Law like Fodder.Again, NOT KNOWING about luffys current position and about the dwarfs incoming attack is not the same as underestimating them.
In fairness, I think he did generally underestimate the dwarves. They didn't factor into his plans at all … like ever?
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That chapter was great, really liked the Cavendish's Split Personality. I like the Dr Jekill and Mr Hyde references. BTW, wasnt Chopper as Doctor and Monster the first Dr. Jekill and Mr. Hyde reference in the series?
Any way, it is fun to see Doffy understimating the SH. Oh, he is going to get sooooo whooped.
I also think he is understimating Burgerrs WAY TOO MUCH. Isnt he, like… THE FIRST COMANDER OF A YONKOU? He thinks Trebol and Sugar can handle him? For real?
May I tell my secret wish for this saga? I want Oda to show a MASSIVE development in the SH crew. How? Put Zoro, Luffy and a weaked Law to fight the Admiral, and put Franky, Robin and Sogeking to fight Doffy. YEAH, im not even putting Doffy against the Monster Trio.
All i needed to see was a super PISSED OFF Franky, after seeing what the Shichiboukai has done to that island and their people, picking his Kairouseki Knucles and punching a overconfident Doffy into the ground.
Well, dreaming is free, isnt it?
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Well nice to see a swordsman get some build up early.
I don't see Zoro fighting Cavindish at all this arc, and so its neat to see another swordsman besides Hawkeyes and Shiryuu be hyped up for a later fight.
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Cavendish must have some control over his sleep. There is just no way he would just feel like taking a nap in the middle of a battle.
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so doflamingo was quite confident luffy would probably be turned into a toy. does that mean he is intending to do the same to happen to jesus? is he not afraid of retaliation from blackbeard?
When he turns someone into a toy, everyone forgets that person even existed, so no retaliation ever.
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The spoiler thread for this chapter was the best comedy this year. 10/10 would read again
It was rumoured to be three times more powerful than Cavendish
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When he turns someone into a toy, everyone forgets that person even existed, so no retaliation ever.
That makes you think… There could be a lot of famous people in the current toy selection. Hell, someone could've become the next Pirate King just to be forgotten by everyone.
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I laughed so bad seeing that Oda drew Meadows KO… twice !
It felt like he heard about the Meadow's theory.my thoughts exactly^^
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Hmmmmmm…. It's a good leading chapter. 7/10 for me.
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read mangastreams and slightly confused.
Is Violet on SH side or Doflamingo.
I thought she had betrayed Doflamingo and was helping strawhats, but his talk this chapter made it sound like she was still helping doflamingo.
Is that just bad translation?
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Lets clear this once and for all:
There is a difference between underestimating and unknown elements screwing up your plans without your knowledge. If he knew Sabo would show up and take Luffys spot in the Arena, im pretty sure he would have a different attitude at the moment. But to his knowledge, Luffy is still stuck in the arena, half of the SHs are hiding at sea wich leaves only Franky and Zoro as current threats, wich on paper should be no match for the entire Donquixote family, an Admiral and himself, who just manhandled schichibukai Law like Fodder.Again, NOT KNOWING about luffys current position and about the dwarfs incoming attack is not the same as underestimating them.
What about just up and abandoning Zoro and Kinemon for no reason, whereupon they unite with an escaped Luffy seconds later and all get new disguises? Does that count as underestimating them?
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Lets clear this once and for all:
There is a difference between underestimating and unknown elements screwing up your plans without your knowledge. If he knew Sabo would show up and take Luffys spot in the Arena, im pretty sure he would have a different attitude at the moment. But to his knowledge, Luffy is still stuck in the arena, half of the SHs are hiding at sea wich leaves only Franky and Zoro as current threats, wich on paper should be no match for the entire Donquixote family, an Admiral and himself, who just manhandled schichibukai Law like Fodder.Again, NOT KNOWING about luffys current position and about the dwarfs incoming attack is not the same as underestimating them.
He is sitting on his ass hoping that everything goes along his way, whether at it is the factory or in the colliseum. He has no idea what Zoro and Kinemon is trying to do and don't care. Hell he even think now is a great time to mess with some of his follower and invite a bunch of enemy on his island. He isn't taking the strawhats seriously and therefore is underestimating them. He is wrong on everything and ain't doing anything.
And seriously if taking into account that some things may not go as plan than I really want to know why he considers people have underestimate the strawhats.
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I threw a hit at your helm
Don't ask me i'll never tell
I looked at you as you fell
But you're still in my wayI'd trade my soul for a wish
Strength level two cavendish
I wasn't lurking for this
But you're still in my wayMy stare was holdin'
Ripped mouth, teeth weren't showin'
Cold night wind was blowin'
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING, BABY??
http://i.imgur.com/wY5L4z1.pngAha, it's like the tournament all over again XD
Genius noob, you put me to shame.That's my best new girl!
Jabra, you are the Rebecca of Nominations - you outspeed everyone else.
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I was going to call Cavendish was actually a disciple of Kuro who surpassed him, so he ordered Jango to seal away Cavendish true abilities through hypnosis.
Then I remembered Kuro left the piracy life many years ago and Cavendish just started his 3 years now :/ too bad.
I had long been hoping we'd see Kuro back again at some point because he was one of my favourites from East Blue, but I can't help but feel this chapter has made it clear that we never will :/
Here's a thought. Cavendish is now slated to get turned into a toy, but what if only he gets forgotten, and not Hakuba? Would that tip Bastille off to the fact that something weird is going on with the losers?
What if the hypnosis affects Toy!Cavendish but not Toy!Hakuba. Oh dear lord, it would end up like Chucky…
moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
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What if the hypnosis affects Toy!Cavendish but not Toy!Hakuba. Oh dear lord, it would end up like Chucky...
To think Dressrosa wasn't filled with enough chaos….!
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I'm kinda sad Oda chose to use that face for someone like Cavendish; that creepy, sinister, I'm gonna kill ya! face. I was hoping Kaido's face would be like that; would always be like that, though a bit more sinister.
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What about just up and abandoning Zoro and Kinemon for no reason, whereupon they unite with an escaped Luffy seconds later and all get new disguises? Does that count as underestimating them?
Come on guys! Again and again, doffy didnt know luffy already escaped the colliseum. And yes to underestimating the post tts zoro and franky and robin and sogeking. Tho we still dont know how much these guys have lvled up!
Fact is, doffy didnt know the real situation. End of argument.
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Jabra, you are the Rebecca of Nominations - you outspeed everyone else.
Don't worry, I will let you have her for funniest member.
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I had higher hopes for Dofla but he also seems to be the arrogant overconfident villain type who undersestimates the chaos and sheer insanity of the Strawhats. I would be ok if he is taken down in this arc
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I also don't think Doffy is underestimating the SH. He is simply wrong about Luffy being in the Colosseum because there is someone else pretending to be him. But he is taking every single SH into account and planing ahead, he just failed to foresee the dwarves taking part in this, buth e moved all his officers except Diamante to protect the two paths the SH would try to use.
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To be honest, I was under the impression that Cavendish "summoned" Hakuba.
I mean, Rebecca was being attacked without rest by Suleiman, then Cavendish appears out of nowhere between them and falls asleep. It seemed to me that he was trying to "save" Rebecca by calling Hakuba out… even though he ended up attacking her as well.
Also, Cavendish is probably aware of Hakuba existence, otherwise how a personality that only appears to attack and vanishes as soon as it is over would have a known name?
i had the same impression at first..but after re-reading,i think that cavendish was already falling asleep and he stumbled on suleiman (making sulei attack him) and then fell asleep
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I'm definitely hoping to see Cavendish, Usopp, and Robin vs Trebol and Sugar now
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Someone give Jeff the Killer a call - Hakuba does the job better than him XD
Rommel kingdom, eh? I still have slight hopes that the kingdom Brook came from will have some kind of importance in the future (unlikely), but if Rommel really is a London-themed place, it would make just too much sense that he lived there XD You know what, this goes to the theory-thread.
Jeff the Killer: Go to sleep…Cavendish: Okay 8DJeff: Wha- WAIT, NO!
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So if Rebecca is the ultimate evader and Barto is ultimate barrier, what does that make Sabo and Jesus?
Don't worry, I will let you have her for funniest member.
Jabra, the Violet of Nominations for his mindreading prowess.
moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
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I had higher hopes for Dofla but he also seems to be the arrogant overconfident villain type who undersestimates the chaos and sheer insanity of the Strawhats. I would be ok if he is taken down in this arc
Ok, lets do this again. To Doffys knowledge, Luffy is in the colosseum and he has no idea about the dwarves, Robin and Usopp even being involved yet. With all his subordinates, an ADMIRAL and himself, he has no reason to be afraid of Franky, Kinemon and Zoro, who to his knowledge are the only SH associates on the loose.
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A bit of a meh chapter, Cavendish's little second personality thing is a little weird, I may need a few more chapters to get use to that. A decent bridging chapter overall.
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I had higher hopes for Dofla but he also seems to be the arrogant overconfident villain type who undersestimates the chaos and sheer insanity of the Strawhats. I would be ok if he is taken down in this arc
only thing he is being arrogant about is franky losing to senor pink(even though if he is counting assoulting the factory alone ,he is probably right),luffy couldn't get out of the colosseum if not for bellamy,and dofla has no reason to think they will help each other,and he totally couldn't foresee the dwarves involvement and the fact that they have a tunnel that leads directly at the port.and he totally got right violet's plan.sadly for him,after he lost violet he lost a valuable assets,and he's making the best with what he knows
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So if Rebecca is the ultimate evader and Barto is ultimate barrier, what does that make Sabo and Jesus?
Jabra, the Violet of Nominations for his mindreading prowess.
jesus is the ultimate attacker,sabo…i don't know
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Someone give Jeff the Killer a call - Hakuba does the job better than him XD
Rommel kingdom, eh? I still have slight hopes that the kingdom Brook came from will have some kind of importance in the future (unlikely), but if Rommel really is a London-themed place, it would make just too much sense that he lived there XD You know what, this goes to the theory-thread.
To think about it, Brook and Cavendish (Hakuba) have similar fight stiles (Fencing + super speed slashed), have both a "British" essence (Rommel looks like London, and Oda said Brook would be British in the real world), both like to Show off…
They may be from the same country. Knowing how genes work in OP, and as brook is a pervert, i wouldnt be surprised if Brook is his Grandpa.
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Ok, lets do this again. To Doffys knowledge, Luffy is in the colosseum and he has no idea about the dwarves, Robin and Usopp even being involved yet. With all his subordinates, an ADMIRAL and himself, he has no reason to be afraid of Franky, Kinemon and Zoro, who to his knowledge are the only SH associates on the loose.
Yes. He just blindly assumes that Luffy can't do something crazy and will just fall to his fate in the Coliseum, he dismisses Nico Robin a woman who has spent her entire live immersed in infiltration and assassination and Zoro who is almost as strong as Luffy…so sorry but no. Dofla is making the same overconfident mistakes as the rest. Hell he is even worse because he is not just underestimating the weaker Straw Hats but also high profile names that he should know better then to dismiss
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Yes. He just blindly assumes that Luffy can't do something crazy and will just fall to his fate in the Coliseum, he dismisses Nico Robin a woman who has spent her entire live immersed in infiltration and assassination and Zoro who is almost as strong as Luffy…so sorry but no. Dofla is making the same overconfident mistakes as the rest. Hell he is even worse because he is not just underestimating the weaker Straw Hats but also high profile names that he should know better then to dismiss
Wich of the "rest" had an admiral fighting by his side? on paper, if Issho was taking on Zoro, Kinemon and Franky alone who wouldnt bet on admiral fujitora (disregarding metaphysical plot armor) ?
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So if Rebecca is the ultimate evader and Barto is ultimate barrier, what does that make Sabo and Jesus?
Jabra, the Violet of Nominations for his mindreading prowess.
Jesus is the ultimate Grappler and Sabo is the ultimate play dead-er.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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I threw a hit at your helm
Don't ask me i'll never tell
I looked at you as you fell
But you're still in my wayI'd trade my soul for a wish
Strength level two cavendish
I wasn't lurking for this
But you're still in my wayMy stare was holdin'
Ripped mouth, teeth weren't showin'
Cold night wind was blowin'
WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING, BABY??
http://i.imgur.com/wY5L4z1.pngHey I just stabbed you and this is crazy
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Come on guys! Again and again, doffy didnt know luffy already escaped the colliseum. And yes to underestimating the post tts zoro and franky and robin and sogeking. Tho we still dont know how much these guys have lvled up!
Fact is, doffy didnt know the real situation. End of argument.
Doflamingo headed back to the palace because he was confident that it was impossible for Luffy to escape the Coliseum.
It wasn't.
= Doflamingo underestimated Luffy.Doflamingo has no idea where Usopp and Robin are, but he assume they are of no consequence. He also assumes his underground is impossible to reach.
Usopp and Robin have currently infiltrated the underground.
= He underestimated them.Doflamingo is being careless. Yeah he "doesn't know all the facts" but when your empire lies in ruins because of someone you dismissed as clearly inferior, thats just a sad excuse.
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Jesus is the ultimate Grappler and Sabo is the ultimate play dead-er.
In other words, Jesus as Jerry Lawler and Sabo as Andy Kaufman?
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moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
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Can't wait till Doflamingo gets the beatdown of his life and loses his glasses.
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only thing he is being arrogant about is franky losing to senor pink(even though if he is counting assoulting the factory alone ,he is probably right),luffy couldn't get out of the colosseum if not for bellamy,and dofla has no reason to think they will help each other,and he totally couldn't foresee the dwarves involvement and the fact that they have a tunnel that leads directly at the port.and he totally got right violet's plan.sadly for him,after he lost violet he lost a valuable assets,and he's making the best with what he knows
Its not like Doflamingo has had firsthand experience with Luffys ability to gain allies on the fly or anything. And yeah, after capturing 500 of their people, no one could have foreseen the dwarves attacking him too. Doflamingo is definetly not being careless.
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In other words, Jesus as Jerry Lawler and Sabo as Andy Kaufman?
If Burgess delivers a JerryLawleresque slap to Sabo then I'll be a very happy camper.
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I'm like some parasite, with the tourney section gone, looking for a new precious host to latch onto.
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I also don't think Doffy is underestimating the SH. He is simply wrong about Luffy being in the Colosseum because there is someone else pretending to be him. But he is taking every single SH into account and planing ahead, he just failed to foresee the dwarves taking part in this, buth e moved all his officers except Diamante to protect the two paths the SH would try to use.
Sabo has nothing to do with Luffys escape though. Only thing he's done is slightly extend the time before Doflamingo realizes he has no control of the situation.
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So if Rebecca is the ultimate evader and Barto is ultimate barrier, what does that make Sabo and Jesus?
Ultimate Survivor and Ultimate Abs & Pecks.
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Yes. He just blindly assumes that Luffy can't do something crazy and will just fall to his fate in the Coliseum, he dismisses Nico Robin a woman who has spent her entire live immersed in infiltration and assassination and Zoro who is almost as strong as Luffy…so sorry but no. Dofla is making the same overconfident mistakes as the rest. Hell he is even worse because he is not just underestimating the weaker Straw Hats but also high profile names that he should know better then to dismiss
he is not assuming luffy can't do something crazy,he's assuming that he can't get out of the colosseum..and that was true until bellamy halped him find an exit…but dofla doesn't know they are "kinda friend" now..so no reason to assume bellamy will help him...also,we don't even know if diamante told dofla that dellinger didn't complete his assassination job.for the zoro and robin part..at the moment he has an admiral on his side,his three major "executives" still ready to fight and he has himself,who just defeated law pretty soundly.
he s basically saying "there are two access to the factory,one is this very place,and i'm here,with fujitora,with pica,we should be enough to deal with zoro and kinemon...and the toy house until now the only one who showed up is franky,who is against senor pink,dellinger,lao g,machvise,trebol and maybe sugar too...so much for "understimating him"
and i don't really see any problem in his reasoning...even if robin and usopp go with zoro and kinemon,he can just call some of the guys at the toy house via the lift and they are in the palace in no time.what he couldn't predict was bellamy's "redemption" and the dwarves and their tunnel.
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he is not assuming luffy can't do something crazy,he's assuming that he can't get out of the colosseum..and that was true until bellamy halped him find an exit…but dofla doesn't know they are "kinda friend" now..so no reason to assume bellamy will help him...also,we don't even know if diamante told dofla that dellinger didn't complete his assassination job.for the zoro and robin part..at the moment he has an admiral on his side,his three major "executives" still ready to fight and he has himself,who just defeated law pretty soundly.
he s basically saying "there are two access to the factory,one is this very place,and i'm here,with fujitora,with pica,we should be enough to deal with zoro and kinemon...and the toy house until now the only one who showed up is franky,who is against senor pink,dellinger,lao g,machvise,trebol and maybe sugar too...so much for "understimating him"
and i don't really see any problem in his reasoning...even if robin and usopp go with zoro and kinemon,he can just call some of the guys at the toy house via the lift and they are in the palace in no time.what he couldn't predict was bellamy's "redemption" and the dwarves and their tunnel.
In that case, he underestimated the Dwarves and Bellamy.
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I was completely wrong, it wasn't a Little peoples brigade used as end game by the Doflamingo Family, it wasn't Meadow (nicely done Oda, nicely done) but the happy thing is that it wasn't Rebecca and her unconscious power up either, it was a great chapter non the less and with an awesome twist, who would have thought that Cavendish will have a split personality a la Sogeking and things will start to heat up now but Fujitora was nowhere to be seen, so Luffy and co. will probably meet him at the exit/entrance or something
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Its not like Doflamingo has had firsthand experience with Luffys ability to gain allies on the fly or anything. And yeah, after capturing 500 of their people, no one could have foreseen the dwarves attacking him too. Doflamingo is definetly not being careless.
the dwarves slavery is not exactly novelty in dressrosa,so he has no reason to think that TODAY is the day they are going to do something (even though at the end he is the direct cause of why they are moving right now)..but more than the dwarves themselves,what he couldn't predict was the tunnel ,that it's a third "door " that he knows nothing about.
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_Square
L](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_Square)ooks like a pretty nice place! maybe ill put it up as my next travel destination if Cavendish continues to deliver. Oda, promoting london tourism since 15/1/2014!
ahem if linking character named after location in London is the case, then Oda has been doing it for far longer
[hide] Trafalgar Square = Trafalgar Law [/Hide]
@KageKageKing:There is also a Trafalgar Square on London, right?
Here's a thought. Cavendish is now slated to get turned into a toy, but what if only he gets forgotten, and not Hakuba? Would that tip Bastille off to the fact that something weird is going on with the losers?
Now this is an idea I'd love to see!
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the dwarves slavery is not exactly novelty in dressrosa,so he has no reason to think that TODAY is the day they are going to do something (even though at the end he is the direct cause of why they are moving right now)..but more than the dwarves themselves,what he couldn't predict was the tunnel ,that it's a third "door " that he knows nothing about.
Again, he's underestimating the Dwarves.
