When? Where? How? I don't remember any of this ever happening in the manga.
Oh you're right I mixed up anime & manga (cause I watch anime too) .. this is just happened on anime (flashback). Sorry…
When? Where? How? I don't remember any of this ever happening in the manga.
Oh you're right I mixed up anime & manga (cause I watch anime too) .. this is just happened on anime (flashback). Sorry…
Oh you're right I mixed up anime & manga (cause I watch anime too) .. this is just happened on anime (flashback). Sorry…
When exactly did that happen?
Episode 424, 12:21 …
So according to you any character who wears a suit and a suit hat is Bogart?
If we not counting guys beaten by Admiral, we shouldn't counting guys beaten by Hancock, Doffy, and Dragon, because they are portrayed on Admiral level.
If we want to fair with the Marine, then we should count all battle.
Morgan Vs Luffy
Fulbody Vs Sanji
Pudding-Pudding Vs Hatchan, Chew, Kuroobi
Bellemere-san Vs Arlong
Nezumi Vs Zoro, Nami
Tashigi Vs Zoro
Smoker Vs Buggy, Alvida
Smoker Vs Luffy
Smoker Vs Dragon
Tashigi Vs Robin
Hina-san Vs Mr.2 Bon Clay
Kuzan Vs Robin, Zoro, Sanji, Luffy, Usoop, Chopper, Nami
T-bone Vs Zoro
Shu Vs Zoro
Very Good Vs Franky
Glove Vs Franky
Helmeppo Vs Zoro
Coby Vs Luffy
Kizaru Vs Hawkins, Uruge, Apoo, X-Drake
Kizaru Vs Zoro, Luffy, Sanji, Brook, Nami, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Usopp
Momongga Vs Hancock
Bogart Vs Buggy
Lacroix Vs Oars Jr
Ronse Vs WB
Smoker Vs Luffy
Smoker Vs Hancock
Full Body, Jango, Hina Vs Luffy
John Giant Vs WB
Kuzan Vs Luffy
Coby Vs Luffy
Kibin Vs Luffy
Kuzan Vs Jozu
Kizaru, Onigumo Vs Marco
Akainu Vs Ace
Akainu Vs WB
Akainu Vs Ivankov, Inazuma
Akainu Vs Jinbei
Akainu Vs WB Commander + Croc
Catacombo Vs Hancock
Kadar Vs Fisher Tiger, Jinbei, Arlong
Strawberry Vs Fisher Tiger
Strawberry Vs Jinbei, Arlong
Kizaru Vs Arlong
Tashigi Vs Law
Smoker Vs Law
Smoker, Tashigi Vs CC
Tashigi Vs Vergo
Tashigi Vs Monet
Smoker Vs Vergo
Smoker Vs DD
Maynard Vs Gambia
Maynard Vs Bartolomeo
Garp Vs Chinjao
20 Marine X 33 Pirate
….Did I miss someone?…
I read the first line of this, saw Hancock being associated with Admiral level power and stopped reading.
I am really curious how FA Sakazuki will react after this arc. IIRC he told Fuji that he might talk to the Gorousei bout how DD tricked the whole world. IMO Saka isn't a person who likes the idea that a mere pirate can change the content of a newspaper. I don't even think he likes the idea of a world noble becoming a pirate like DD did. After all, the Gorousei themselves chose Saka as new FA, so it'd be hilarious for me if even someone like Saka turns against them some day. You know, just a little. He could still hate pirates and being all absolute-justice-like, but it'd be cool if he finds out that the WG isn't that "good" too. Now his position is high enough that he sees it himself.
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If we not counting guys beaten by Admiral, we shouldn't counting guys beaten by Hancock, Doffy, and Dragon, because they are portrayed on Admiral level.
If we want to fair with the Marine, then we should count all battle.
Morgan Vs Luffy
Fulbody Vs Sanji
Pudding-Pudding Vs Hatchan, Chew, Kuroobi
Bellemere-san Vs Arlong(…)
Smoker Vs Vergo
Smoker Vs DD
Maynard Vs Gambia
Maynard Vs Bartolomeo
Garp Vs Chinjao
20 Marine X 33 Pirate
….Did I miss someone?…
What about Hancock vs. the marines @ SA? Oda stated that navy officer's name somewhere outside the manga (SBS or Databooks). Also the weather dudes, Perona and the Kamabakas fought marines. But I also wouldn't call Hancock vs. Momonga a "fight". Those two had sth like a conversation if you ask me. Did Shanks and WB fight? According to Marco and Jozu: No. Their negotiations have just been over. ;)
I read the first line of this, saw Hancock being associated with Admiral level power and stopped reading.
No problem…
But, I ask you, what make you think she isn't on Admiral level?
....this my reason she on admiral level (at least Admiral will defeat her with very-high difficult)..
1. She has CoC (we never see someone have CoC lost to VA when they have mastered this power, and I believe Hancock already mastered this power)
2. She easily defeat Momonga (VA elite)
3. She have hax DF
4. She is Amazon Queen (the only place where all people can use haki)
5. Sengoku recognize her as a strong person. (Chapter 523)
_don't underrate her just because she is a woman
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What about Hancock vs. the marines @ SA? Oda stated that navy officer's name somewhere outside the manga (SBS or Databooks). Also the weather dudes, Perona and the Kamabakas fought marines. But I also wouldn't call Hancock vs. Momonga a "fight". Those two had sth like a conversation if you ask me. Did Shanks and WB fight? According to Marco and Jozu: No. Their negotiations have just been over. ;)
Sorry…I not understand about your point on 2 line this paragraf (Hancock toying a Rear Admiral like a doll) . Hancock Vs Momonga is absolute fight (hancock took all his stuff, turn all his men become a stone, make he stab his own hand). Not like Shank and WB, we never see what happen...same as Kizaru Vs Rayleigh..those "fight" not finish.
No problem…
But, I ask you, what make you think she isn't on Admiral level?
....this my reason she on admiral level (at least Admiral will defeat her with very-high difficult)..1. She has CoC (we never see someone have CoC lost to VA when they have mastered this power, and I believe Hancock already mastered this power)
2. She easily defeat Momonga (VA elite)
3. She have hax DF
4. She is Amazon Queen (the only place where all people can use haki)
5. Sengoku recognize her as a strong person. (Chapter 523)
1. Luffy has CoC…he's not admiral level either.
2. Barto easily defeated Maynard...he's not admiral level either.
3. Several characters have hax DF powers, take your pick. Still doesn't make them admiral level.
4. This has nothing to do with strength lol never mind admiral level strength.
5. There's a difference between being strong, and being on par with an admiral.
The idea that Boa Hancock is anywhere near the level of the WG's 3 greatest fighters is just plain silly.
Compare her with the likes of Garp, Kuzan, Borsalino, Sakazuki and Isshou. You really think she's on par with these guys? Not even close.
1. Luffy has CoC…he's not admiral level either.
2. Barto easily defeated Maynard...he's not admiral level either.
3. Several characters have hax DF powers, take your pick. Still doesn't make them admiral level.
4. This has nothing to do with strength lol never mind admiral level strength.
5. There's a difference between being strong, and being on par with an admiral.The idea that Boa Hancock is anywhere near the level of the WG's 3 greatest fighters is just plain silly.
Compare her with the likes of Garp, Kuzan, Borsalino, Sakazuki and Isshou. You really think she's on par with these guys? Not even close.
Very Close…like DD is on admiral level too....
...Luffy pre-ts (he not mastered CoC)
...Maynard is new VA, all VA elit like Bastille, Momonga, Onigumo,.. will defeat Maynard with little diff...
...Luffy post-ts (we not see him all out yet)
...Luffy beat Chinjao ...little diff...(Garp have to training makes 8 mountains bacome dust to beat Chinjao, Chinjao now get older, Garp get older, but they will not lose much power),...
But, no problem who will true about this, manga will prove some day, CoC is not everything, but CoC is very important...
Very Close…like DD is on admiral level too....
...Luffy pre-ts (he not mastered CoC)
...Maynard is new VA, all VA elit like Bastille, Momonga, Onigumo,.. will defeat Maynard with little diff...
...Luffy post-ts (we not se him all out yet)
...Luffy beat Chinjao ...little diff...(Garp have to training makes 8 mountains bacome dust to beat Chinjao, Chinjao now get older, Garp get older, but they will not lose much power),...
But, no problem who will true about this, manga will prove some day, CoC is not everything, but CoC is very important...
Literally none of this is relevant to the subject of Hancock being on par with the admirals.
Which once again, she isn't.
Literally none of this is relevant to the subject of Hancock being on par with the admirals.
Which once again, she isn't.
Why you not argue about…DD on admiral level?? this is a problem..you just not believe she can use CoA as good as DD because she is a woman....
And your point not make her below admiral too....
Why you not argue about…DD on admiral level?? this is a problem..you just not believe she can use CoA as good as DD because she is a woman....
And your point not make her below admiral too....
Doflamingo is far closer to the level of a marine admiral than Hancock. We've at least seen him tangle with an admiral level fighter.
Once again think of Garp, Kuzan, Borsalino, Sakazuki and Isshou. You really think Hancock is on that level?
If so, you are quite the deluded little chap.
Doflamingo is far closer to the level of a marine admiral than Hancock. We've at least seen him tangle with an admiral level fighter.
Not that I think Hancock is quite admiral level, but not having seen her do something doesn't prove anything either way. Fact is, we haven't seen anything that proves she can't be on the level of Doflamingo or even Garp. All we really know is that so far she hasn't encountered anything that even remotely fazed her in terms of combat.
Doflamingo is far closer to the level of a marine admiral than Hancock. We've at least seen him tangle with an admiral level fighter.
Once again think of Garp, Kuzan, Borsalino, Sakazuki and Isshou. You really think Hancock is on that level?
If so, you are quite the deluded little chap.
Do you mean this??
When DD frightened by Admiral powers.
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/09/o/read51dc2c1403f8b/img000006.png
When Hancock not scared to fight Admiral.
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/07/22/o/read4e299037caa5a/08.jpg
..still your point not makes Hancock and DD is not same league close to Admiral.
Do you mean this??
When DD frightened by Admiral powers.
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/09/o/read51dc2c1403f8b/img000006.pngWhen Hancock not scared to fight Admiral.
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/07/22/o/read4e299037caa5a/08.jpg..still your point not makes Hancock and DD is not same league close to Admiral.
Lol you're actually serious, that's the scary part.
Hancock runs in to try and save Luffy, which she would have done no matter who was attacking him, and you equate that to her being as strong as an admiral?
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji all ran into battle with Kuzan, unafraid of fighting an admiral. They were defeated instantly.
Apoo attacked Kizaru, once again unafraid. He got kicked into the ground for his troubles.
Ace attacked Sakazuki, he wasn't afraid…he died.
Being "unafraid" to fight an admiral means absolutely nothing.
Doflamingo on the other hand shows a bit of surprise at a freakin' meteor crashing toward him so he can't be anywhere near as strong as an admiral? Even though he then dealt with said meteor, supplied by said admiral, with ease.
Your logic is seriously out of whack.
I'm not saying Doflamingo is at the level of an admiral, but from the feats we've seen him perform, we can pretty safely assume he's not a million miles away.
Doflamingo also wasn't that afraid of Kuzan. Almost got frozen to death.
Doflamingo also wasn't that afraid of Kuzan. Almost got frozen to death.
Exactly.
We're never done with overconfident characters being unafraid and getting their asses kicked.
Exactly.
We're never done with overconfident characters being unafraid and getting their asses kicked.
Crocodile takes the cake. Not afraid of Whitebeard = clearly a Yonkou level
I read the first line of this, saw Hancock being associated with Admiral level power and stopped reading.
Read your response, inferred you were a douche, LOL'd
Crocodile takes the cake. Not afraid of Whitebeard = clearly a Yonkou level
Ah man that's a good one. There's a total conveyor belt of these.
I am really curious how FA Sakazuki will react after this arc. IIRC he told Fuji that he might talk to the Gorousei bout how DD tricked the whole world. IMO Saka isn't a person who likes the idea that a mere pirate can change the content of a newspaper. I don't even think he likes the idea of a world noble becoming a pirate like DD did. After all, the Gorousei themselves chose Saka as new FA, so it'd be hilarious for me if even someone like Saka turns against them some day. You know, just a little. He could still hate pirates and being all absolute-justice-like, but it'd be cool if he finds out that the WG isn't that "good" too. Now his position is high enough that he sees it himself.
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What about Hancock vs. the marines @ SA? Oda stated that navy officer's name somewhere outside the manga (SBS or Databooks). Also the weather dudes, Perona and the Kamabakas fought marines. But I also wouldn't call Hancock vs. Momonga a "fight". Those two had sth like a conversation if you ask me. Did Shanks and WB fight? According to Marco and Jozu: No. Their negotiations have just been over. ;)
He does have a point, I think the fact that Mom had to stab himself at all shows that he isn't quite on her level, although i doubt she could beat any admiral. SB are majority in position between VA and A. Don't want a power level discussion im just saying in general
Read your response, inferred you were a douche, LOL'd
I turn into a bit of douche when people say ridiculous things yeah. I'm fine with it.
Lol you're actually serious, that's the scary part.
Hancock runs in to try and save Luffy, which she would have done no matter who was attacking him, and you equate that to her being as strong as an admiral?
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji all ran into battle with Kuzan, unafraid of fighting an admiral. They were defeated instantly.
Apoo attacked Kizaru, once again unafraid. He got kicked into the ground for his troubles.
Ace attacked Sakazuki, he wasn't afraid…he died.
Being "unafraid" to fight an admiral means absolutely nothing.
Doflamingo on the other hand shows a bit of surprise at a freakin' meteor crashing toward him so he can't be anywhere near as strong as an admiral? Even though he then dealt with said meteor, supplied by said admiral, with ease.
Your logic is seriously out of whack.
I'm not saying Doflamingo is at the level of an admiral, but from the feats we've seen him perform, we can pretty safely assume he's not a million miles away.
I not see anithing spesial about Doffy take that meteor, because Law also can do the same way.
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@Darth:
Crocodile takes the cake. Not afraid of Whitebeard = clearly a Yonkou level
Ah man that's a good one. There's a total conveyor belt of these.
Not that my point..you said because Doffy have fight againts Admiral, make him better than Hancock… I just want to said that isn't prove anything, because if Admiral attack Hancock she can do the same way....
I not see anithing spesial about Doffy take that meteor, because Law also can do the same way.
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Not that my point..you said because Doffy have fight againts Admiral, make him better than Hancock... I just want to said that isn't prove anything, because if Admiral attack Hancock she can do the same way....
Your logic was that because Doflamingo looked slightly worried about the meteor, he couldn't be anywhere near as strong as an admiral.
But he tanked the meteor with ease. I was refuting your claim, not building one of my own.
Lol that totally was your point, that Hancock wasn't afraid to attack Kuzan, and I pointed out that it means nothing. See the above conveyor belt.
My point was that we can at least see from his interactions with Kuzan and Isshou, that Doflamingo isn't completely outclassed by admiral level fighters.
Your claim that Hancock could do the same is based on absolutely nothing. She has never actually attacked or been attacked by anyone remotely near the strength of an admiral.
I wouldn't say Boa Hancock is as strong as an admiral, but she's probably the strongest Shichibukai.
Doflamingo might be second.
Why you ask? Because she's beautiful
There's been a lot of love for Coby but what about Helmeppo? How strong you'd think he's got his rank a bit disappointing I was hoping he'd make captain as well.
@kuma:
There's been a lot of love for Coby but what about Helmeppo? How strong you'd think he's got his rank a bit disappointing I was hoping he'd make captain as well.
Coby Possibly VA, Marines make everything with haki VA
@Bart:
Coby Possibly VA, Marines make everything with haki VA
na he's captain am sure I read somewhere that he was captain or maybe I just dreamt it up in which case ignore my previous post.
Your logic was that because Doflamingo looked slightly worried about the meteor, he couldn't be anywhere near as strong as an admiral.
But he tanked the meteor with ease. I was refuting your claim, not building one of my own.
Lol that totally was your point, that Hancock wasn't afraid to attack Kuzan, and I pointed out that it means nothing. See the above conveyor belt.
My point was that we can at least see from his interactions with Kuzan and Isshou, that Doflamingo isn't completely outclassed by admiral level fighters.
Your claim that Hancock could do the same is based on absolutely nothing. She has never actually attacked or been attacked by anyone remotely near the strength of an admiral.
I think that he isn't outclassed, but still is notably weaker. Mostly because it would make no sense otherwise… If he was, for example, Akainu or Kuzan level, I feel that, with his connections, he would not need to be a Shichibukai. He could be a fifth Yonkou.
So, we know from how Akainu killed Ace that he's pretty good at fisting. Would you guys want Akainu to fist you?
I turn into a bit of douche when people say ridiculous things yeah. I'm fine with it.
Not an insult, I'm a douche as well in these situations and I was humored. :P
@Medical:
So, we know from how Akainu killed Ace that he's pretty good at fisting. Would you guys want Akainu to fist you?
… What this has to do with ANYTHING?
Not an insult, I'm a douche as well in these situations and I was humored. :P
You're a douche most of the time on here LOL only joking you're a good poster to be fair.
What upgrades you think the Pacifista have gone under during the TS. IMO before the TS I found them a little bit boring sure they fired a cool laser beam and all but once you've see it once you don't want to see it again the novelty act wore off quickly for me. Also I wouldn't mind if they looked a bit different they took a little bit shine off the original Kuma for me.
Not that I think Hancock is quite admiral level, but not having seen her do something doesn't prove anything either way. Fact is, we haven't seen anything that proves she can't be on the level of Doflamingo or even Garp. All we really know is that so far she hasn't encountered anything that even remotely fazed her in terms of combat.
We have yet to see Curly Dadan do something that proves she can't be on the same level of an admiral, she was afterall, able to beat up a Fleet Admiral level fighter in Garp. All we really know is so far she hasn't encountered anything that even remotely fazed her in terms of combat. Therefore, Curly Dadan is a top 10 fighter in One Piece.
We have yet to see Curly Dadan do something that proves she can't be on the same level of an admiral, she was afterall, able to beat up a Fleet Admiral level fighter in Garp. All we really know is so far she hasn't encountered anything that even remotely fazed her in terms of combat. Therefore, Curly Dadan is a top 10 fighter in One Piece.
Curly Dadan what a name she one tough, old women but for some reason I could never take a liken to her don't why just one of them things I guess. She tough aright very tempted to put her on my top 10 list of strongest women in One Piece.
That power level discussion made me diseased.
That power level discussion made me diseased.
Not long in till a new chapter comes out now that will settle things down well for a couple of days at least.
Can Pacifista's eat DF's? If so that would be a nice upgrade. Besides the obvious tech upgrades they would undergo.
Can Pacifista's eat DF's? If so that would be a nice upgrade. Besides the obvious tech upgrades they would undergo.
I see no reason why they can't I mean we've seen a sword and gun eat one why not a Pacifista (I await some smartass telling us how it's impossible for them to eat one)
@kuma:
I see no reason why they can't I mean we've seen a sword and gun eat one why not a Pacifista.
Very true. I think an upgraded Pacifista with a logia fruit would be pretty scary. Especially for one without haki.
Oh even cooler idea, if Kuma is machine now (just like a gun) can he double up on DF? Of is he still a human and can only have one? Imagine his ability's offensive ability coupled with the defensive intangibility of a logia… My lord.
Yeah no i think they'll just add more technological replications of df powers rather than waste actually df's on those drones.
Oh even cooler idea, if Kuma is machine now (just like a gun) can he double up on DF? Of is he still a human and can only have one? Imagine his ability's offensive ability coupled with the defensive intangibility of a logia… My lord.
He is simply a cyborg. So only 1 devil fruit.
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They should simply give those robots seastone hands. And make them be able to move correctly when fighting.
Can Vegapunk make artificial devil fruits or was that one on punk hazard just a one off, I would imagine he'd use the Pacifista (older ones) as test subjects that's if he can make artificial devil fruits that is.
Seastone gloves would be too straight-foward. I think if there were any. They would of been introduced earlier on in the story. And they would just be too op lol.
I'm sure Vegapunk can make more artificial fruits. Wasn't the one on PH a failure or something? That's why it was just abandoned there. If so he probably fixed that "problem" and continued to make more.
Thoughts for improving the pacifistas
-Make them out of the same kind of Wapometal that stopped Whitebeard
-Improve their ability to coordinate attacks with other pacifistas
-Seastone infusions at strategic points
-Add more powerful replications of df abilities.
Or they could just massproduce the shit out of them. Making hundreds upon hundreds of 'em.