Vivi and Jinbei already makes the crew number to 10, excluding Luffy.
Meadows is Jimbei in disguise. Which is why Luffy is in a fish disguise. Oda was giving us hints this whole time.
Vivi and Jinbei already makes the crew number to 10, excluding Luffy.
Meadows is Jimbei in disguise. Which is why Luffy is in a fish disguise. Oda was giving us hints this whole time.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/166182/one-piece_ch706_by_mangarule/11 The Fighting Lion. He was one shotted in this very chapter.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/214207/one-piece_ch733_by_powermanga/5
yes, but he WAS shown getting one shotted. he got his screentime to hype (well not really but you get the point) orlumbus
this is still a huge difference to meadows beeing completly ignored, since he was mentioned as named character, whos face was even half covered.
What's with those last two signatures hahaha.
Edit: screw you, guys. Now my post just looks silly.
yes, but he WAS shown getting one shotted. he got his screentime to hype (well not really but you get the point) orlumbus
this is still a huge difference to meadows beeing completly ignored, since he was mentioned as named character, whos face was even half covered.
Then Damask is really Kaidou? His whole face is covered.
Meadows is Jimbei in disguise. Which is why Luffy is in a fish disguise. Oda was giving us hints this whole time.
Why would Jinbei try to compete over the Mera Mera no Mi? Yes, he and Ace had a connection but not deep enough for him to abandon his duties and chase after a fruit.
A Whitebeard Commander or Vivi are far more better guesses.
Why are there so many people fixated on Meadows being kaido or Kaido related?
For starters, Law has said that most people don´t even have a chance of seeing one of the Yonkou due to their ammassed and large circle of influence, so why would he disguise as a cheeta man to compete for a DF trophy? It just feels odd. If he wanted to do something about the fruit he would send a commander, much like BB sent Burguess A.K.A Mr store or how BM sends tamago and pekoms to do her candy collection.
Of course there´s a chance of him being associated to Kaido but I feel its a long shot. Why couldn´t he be associated to another faction instead?
Now, about this Meadows has to be the one blitzing away the attack because he didn´t appear this chapter and his eyes have been obscured logic. Even if he didn´t appear in this chapter at all it seems we are jumping into a conclussion rather too quickly. Same can be said about the Rebecca bandwagon; as everything stands at the moment anyone could be behind that attack if ODA so desires to, it also seems that we are about to get a "Few minutes ago" flashback leading to this outcome and thats why I´ll hold my reins until the time comes. Oda is toying with us
Then Damask is really Kaidou? His whole face is covered.
no, duh
obviously only halfcovered faces are kaidou
(i didnt even mention kaidou btw)
jokes aside, you made a big ass post, telling some things about "omg oda is forshadowing it guys cant you see how often he said to slow" etc, but showing some named guy, hiding his face, making him just "gladiator(!) meadows" aka "the hiding-title" Meadows (Gladiator lucy, Gladiator ricky and probably Gladiator Mr. Store) and even not showing him through the whole fight until suddenly everbody just drops to the floor, and even barto didnt see a damn thing, is an argument to be made fun of?
and now dont tell me that rebecca and acilia must be kaido 'cause they were gladiators too
oda wouldnt use some gladiator who fights in this arena all the time and hide his face as a red herring. so he obviously just called himself gladiator instead of whatever he really is.
Edit:
@Super:
the Logia type are the weakest type of DF
wasnt it even said to be the strongest type?
Why are there so many people fixated on Meadows being kaido or Kaido related?
For starters, Law has said that most people don´t even have a chance of seeing one of the Yonkou due to their ammassed and large circle of influence, so why would he disguise as a cheeta man to compete for a DF trophy? It just feels odd. If he wanted to do something about the fruit he would send a commander, much like BB sent Burguess A.K.A Mr store or how BM sends tamago and pekoms to do her candy collection.
Of course there´s a chance of him being associated to Kaido but I feel its a long shot. Why couldn´t he be associated to another faction instead?
Now, about this Meadows has to be the one blitzing away the attack because he didn´t appear this chapter and his eyes have been obscured logic. Even if he didn´t appear in this chapter at all it seems we are jumping into a conclussion rather too quickly. Same can be said about the Rebecca bandwagon; as everything stands at the moment anyone could be behind that attack if ODA so desires to, it also seems that we are about to get a "Few minutes ago" flashback leading to this outcome and thats why I´ll hold my reins until the time comes. Oda is toying with us
Thank you!
Plus, if Kaido really wanted the fruit (which I doubt; the Logia type are the weakest type of DF) he would offer Doflamingo an offer he can't refuse.
Why are there so many people fixated on Meadows being kaido or Kaido related?
For starters, Law has said that most people don´t even have a chance of seeing one of the Yonkou due to their ammassed and large circle of influence, so why would he disguise as a cheeta man to compete for a DF trophy? It just feels odd. If he wanted to do something about the fruit he would send a commander, much like BB sent Burguess A.K.A Mr store or how BM sends tamago and pekoms to do her candy collection.
Of course there´s a chance of him being associated to Kaido but I feel its a long shot. Why couldn´t he be associated to another faction instead?
Now, about this Meadows has to be the one blitzing away the attack because he didn´t appear this chapter and his eyes have been obscured logic. Even if he didn´t appear in this chapter at all it seems we are jumping into a conclussion rather too quickly. Same can be said about the Rebecca bandwagon; as everything stands at the moment anyone could be behind that attack if ODA so desires to, it also seems that we are about to get a "Few minutes ago" flashback leading to this outcome and thats why I´ll hold my reins until the time comes. Oda is toying with us
The best of us all. I agree with this.
Thank you!
Plus, if Kaido really wanted the fruit (which I doubt; the Logia type are the weakest type of DF) he would offer Doflamingo an offer he can't refuse.
Eh… why would Logia type be the weakest type of DF? I think zoans and most paramecias are way weaker.
Eh… why would Logia type be the weakest type of DF? I think zoans and most paramecias are way weaker.
The Logia type was only considered the strongest because of its atributes rather than its actual capabilites; the atribute that was 95% responsible for making the Logia type seem the strongest was intangibility.
However, we are in the New World. The ability to use haki is prominent to survival there. It also means that the main atribute that made the Logia type so attractive to anyone outside the New World is gone.
Unless your Logia can deal serious raw damage (i.e. magma or ice) is is almost worthless. Fire and Gas is so-so.
Smoke, fruit juice, candy, paper, electricity and snow either deals no real damage or have too many weaknesses. Some even have both.
The Paramecia abilities that can be trained to be used even better are a far stronger choice. So far, that would account for most of the abilites we have seen except for a handful (i.e. Bon Clay's ability can't really be trained at all). They are more useful/versatile and we have already seen dozens of cases of it. Luffy, Law, Issho, Doflamingo, Jozu, Whitebeard, etc, etc…those are just to name a few.
Zoans are arguably the most powerful Devil Fruits. Remember Kaido's DF army?
A leopard user left Luffy so fucked up he couldn't even get up afterwards…and that is without using haki and Luffy having a rubber body…
Think of Luffy being punched by some of these guys (guys with the strength increment of an elephant, moose, bear, buffalo, gorilla, hippo, etc.) only with haki, hitting Luffy's real body…Luffy would instantly die.
The same goes for most other characters.
But those ones are artificial, so we don't realy know if they can be compared with the real ones, besides not everyone has haki or realy strong haki.
The Logia type was only considered the strongest because of its atributes rather than its actual capabilites; the atribute that was 95% responsible for making the Logia type seem the strongest was intangibility.
However, we are in the New World. The ability to use haki is prominent to survival there. It also means that the main atribute that made the Logia type so attractive to anyone outside the New World is gone.
Unless your Logia can deal serious raw damage (i.e. magma or ice) is is almost worthless. Fire and Gas is so-so.
Smoke, fruit juice, candy, paper, electricity and snow either deals no real damage or have too many weaknesses. Some even have both.
The Paramecia abilities that can be trained to be used even better are a far stronger choice. So far, that would account for most of the abilites we have seen except for a handful (i.e. Bon Clay's ability can't really be trained at all). They are more useful/versatile and we have already seen dozens of cases of it. Luffy, Law, Issho, Doflamingo, Jozu, Whitebeard, etc, etc…those are just to name a few.
Zoans are arguably the most powerful Devil Fruits. Remember Kaido's DF army?
A leopard user left Luffy so fucked up he couldn't even get up afterwards…and that is without using haki and Luffy having a rubber body…
Think of Luffy being punched by some of these guys (guys with the strength increment of an elephant, moose, bear, buffalo, gorilla, hippo, etc.) only with haki, hitting Luffy's real body…Luffy would instantly die.
The same goes for most other characters.
It isn't gone. Now it just more obscure. Akainu and Aokiji shown ability to dogge haki attacks. Aokiji did that to an attack from Whitebeard.
Magu Magu no Mi, Hie Hie no Mi, Pika Pika no Mi. All of them and their users are mosters. And even among New World crews, I seriously doubt every single one of them has haki. Hell, I doubt if every commander has Haki.
Also, lol at calling Enels fruit weak.
Also, I'm quite certain that if Akainu hit Luffy, Luffy would die, Haki or not.
@Super Sonic: Haki is still quite rare though, and if the logia user is a haki user themselves then they retain all the bonuses of the logia power. Plus there is the scale thing. Most paramecias can't even begin to compare with the scale of a logia ability. They can create a seemingly limitless amount of their element. Even as far back as Alabasta Crocodile created a massive sandstorm all by himself. Then there's the likes of the former three admirals. The thing about logias is they're guaranteed to be powerful, while paramecias are practically luck of the draw and zoans depend on the user.
The Logia type was only considered the strongest because of its atributes rather than its actual capabilites; the atribute that was 95% responsible for making the Logia type seem the strongest was intangibility.
Logias are the strongest fruit, I can't believe people are trying to discuss this fact.
well logia are nature-forces so except for some, most of them can deal damage alone through their existance
even monet could almost instantly weaken luffy to the point of falling asleep because of hypothermia.
smokey and caribou maybe not, but well..
look at the rest, what destruction they bring with seemingly no effort
also you shouldn forget that just beeing able to use haki doesnt mean you can touch them, monet was fast enough to avoid tashigis attacks, and even vista and marco had trouble with hitting akainu. since law vs smokey and law vs vergo, i think the more you train your ability the more you are able to counter CoA, so the intangibility isnt just an advantage in paradise.
as pekoms said, the fools are only the logias who think they're invincible. (also caribous ability is kinda shit)
now zoan is all about power. iirc by training your DF you raise your physical power.
and if you compare to paramecia you got some few abilitys who are really kinda devastating, but you got to be a luffy to make something out of a gum gum fruit.
paramecia coud really be crap but could also really be good, kind of a gamble you get one random superpower.
so in the end its about what you make out of it.
but with a logia you start with devastating power right from the start
It isn't gone. Now it just more obscure. Akainu and Aokiji shown ability to dogge haki attacks. Aokiji did that to an attack from Whitebeard.
Magu Magu no Mi, Hie Hie no Mi, Pika Pika no Mi. All of them and their users are mosters. And even among New World crews, I seriously doubt every single one of them has haki. Hell, I doubt if every commander has Haki.
Also, lol at calling Enels fruit weak.
Also, I'm quite certain that if Akainu hit Luffy, Luffy would die, Haki or not.
Aokiji was clearly expecting an attack on his torso and simply prepared to dodge the bisento stab in advance. Whitebeard's busoshoku haki may have faded since his times vs Roger but it was still strong enough to penetrate through the protection Akainu had.
The Pika Pika no Mi is versatile but it has yet to be proven as enough offensively extraordinary. Marco and Rayleigh gave testaments to that.
And Enel's fruit has way too many weaknesses. Among Logias alone, he wouldn't do jack against Akainu, Ace or Simon; those three would LOLstomp him with just their abilities. Luffy's assertion that there were plenty of guys in the "Blue Sea" that could fodderize him was correct. Enel was just a small fish in a cup.
@Super Sonic: Haki is still quite rare though, and if the logia user is a haki user themselves then they retain all the bonuses of the logia power. Plus there is the scale thing. Most paramecias can't even begin to compare with the scale of a logia ability. They can create a seemingly limitless amount of their element. Even as far back as Alabasta Crocodile created a massive sandstorm all by himself. Then there's the likes of the former three admirals. The thing about logias is they're guaranteed to be powerful, while paramecias are practically luck of the draw and zoans depend on the user.
Haki is anything but rare. It is just extremely hard to learn.
Again, Logia users, as stated by Vergo, can't afford to use their abilities to create "a seemingly limitless amount of their element" since it would just make them a bigger target.
The three Admirals, as well as the Fleet Admiral, are on a tier below the Yonkou. Not the greatest of examples since there wouldn't be anyone else that could come close to their level of skill and strength in the world. Crocodile can be added to this list when it comes to skill as well.
Logias are far from being guaranteed to be powerful; only a Zoan user, with haki, can.
I see….....so many nations for all over the One Piece world came to win this tournament in hopes of becoming more powerful becuase the prize is considered a weak DF. Makes sense.
Thank you!
Plus, if Kaido really wanted the fruit (which I doubt; the Logia type are the weakest type of DF) he would offer Doflamingo an offer he can't refuse.
Makes sense, especially since half of the strongest fighters in OP are all Logia users.
Wth are you talking about? Not all of their respective element is a part of their body, there is a difference between spreading your body in logia form and elemental attacks. Do you think that Akainus massive fist projectiles are a part of him?
This is what happens when you don't feed those kids
Haki is anything but rare. It is just extremely hard to learn.
Again, Logia users, as stated by Vergo, can't afford to use their abilities to create "a seemingly limitless amount of their element" since it would just make them a bigger target.
The three Admirals, as well as the Fleet Admiral, are on a tier below the Yonkou. Not the greatest of examples since there wouldn't be anyone else that could come close to their level of skill and strength in the world. Crocodile can be added to this list when it comes to skill as well.
Logias are far from being guaranteed to be powerful; only a Zoan user, with haki, can.
It being hard to learn makes it rare though. Only the very strongest have displayed any aptitude for it so far, which means against the vast majority of people any logia is invincible. And I was more specifically referring to the admirals' use of their fruit. Aokiji's Ice Age, Akainu raining magma, Kizaru's Yasakani no Magatama they're all massive, potent attacks that have nothing to do with haki or anything. Ace could do the same sort of thing, and in the cover arc even Caribou swallowed an entire factory. Logia's are powerful, even if eaten by morons (Caribou). Zoan's and paramecia's are far more dependant on who eats them. They get more powerful if they're eaten by powerful people, but that's true of logias too. Logias just have a higher baseline because of their nature.
Wth are you talking about? Not all of their respective element is a part of their body, there is a difference between spreading your body in logia form and elemental attacks. Do you think that Akainus massive fist projectiles are a part of him?
That was exactly how Oda described how Logia Fruits work in SBS, though he used example of mera mera no mi.
That was exactly how Oda described how Logia Fruits work in SBS, though he used example of mera mera no mi.
16 characters of Which one?
I see….....so many nations for all over the One Piece world came to win this tournament in hopes of becoming more powerful becuase the prize is considered a weak DF. Makes sense.
Makes sense, especially since half of the strongest fighters in OP are all Logia users.
The Mera Mera no Mi is a powerful fruit. But it does have its weaknesses (against the Gasu Gasu no Mi and Magu Magu no Mi it wouldn't do jack).
Regardless, all those people going after the fruit aren't certainly top tiers; the lack of power to become even a low-top tier is probably the reason those individuals want it.
Some want it to add it to their home nation's arsenal.
Some aren't even competing for the fruit itself.
Don't make the fruit seem all that important; it is merely plot device.
It being hard to learn makes it rare though. Only the very strongest have displayed any aptitude for it so far, which means against the vast majority of people any logia is invincible. And I was more specifically referring to the admirals' use of their fruit. Aokiji's Ice Age, Akainu raining magma, Kizaru's Yasakani no Magatama they're all massive, potent attacks that have nothing to do with haki or anything. Ace could do the same sort of thing, and in the cover arc even Caribou swallowed an entire factory. Logia's are powerful, even if eaten by morons (Caribou). Zoan's and paramecia's are far more dependant on who eats them. They get more powerful if they're eaten by powerful people, but that's true of logias too. Logias just have a higher baseline because of their nature.
I can understand that in the Four Seas and Paradise one would think that. But in the New World (the only sea that truly matters), it is the complete opposite.
Once you start getting around to top tiers like the Yonkou and Admirals, the fruit you have doesn't determine how strong you are. That is far more the individual.
Ace and Caribou are prime examples of what happens when you have decent fruits with insufficient skill or knowledge.
well logia are nature-forces so except for some, most of them can deal damage alone through their existance
even monet could almost instantly weaken luffy to the point of falling asleep because of hypothermia.
smokey and caribou maybe not, but well..
look at the rest, what destruction they bring with seemingly no effortalso you shouldn forget that just beeing able to use haki doesnt mean you can touch them, monet was fast enough to avoid tashigis attacks, and even vista and marco had trouble with hitting akainu. since law vs smokey and law vs vergo, i think the more you train your ability the more you are able to counter CoA, so the intangibility isnt just an advantage in paradise.
as pekoms said, the fools are only the logias who think they're invincible. (also caribous ability is kinda shit)now zoan is all about power. iirc by training your DF you raise your physical power.
and if you compare to paramecia you got some few abilitys who are really kinda devastating, but you got to be a luffy to make something out of a gum gum fruit.
paramecia coud really be crap but could also really be good, kind of a gamble you get one random superpower.so in the end its about what you make out of it.
but with a logia you start with devastating power right from the start
Smoke, mud, fruit juice, paper, candy and snow don't deal "serious damage".
Monet stopping Luffy seemed more like plot because Oda likes having Luffy defeat someone after three tries for some reason…he has really lost his touch since Enies Lobby.
I don't think you understand what haki and DF abilities does.
DF abilities are merely an extension of yours. Think if, in real life, you were to grow an extra set of arms. It doesn't necessarily make you stronger than a normal person but you have more power to do things (power: the ability to do something). That is why they are called "abilities". Just like your normal abilities, you could train your DF abilities and make them better. But without using haki, you wouldn't be able to hit a Logia user or someone who uses haki with it.
Haki is merely a manifestation of your willpower and it is a more strict version of DB's Ki. It allows a user of haki to use the latent essence they possess. It also allows them to penetrate whatever defenses a DF gives the user you are opposing.
Without haki, Law could improve his skill with the Ope Ope no Mi for decades and still wouldn't do anything to Vergo or Smoker. His strong haki was what allowed him to overcome Vergo's CoA and hit Smoker.
Most Paramecia users, who know haki, will instantly make their DF devastating and I already mentioned plenty of examples. The Gomu Gomu no Mi is actually a pretty good fruit. Most people, with no critical thinking skills, say otherwise and forget that it was a 6-7 year old child that was trying to learn how to fight AND use his fruit.
As for Akainu, he most likely combined the intangibility of his DF with Busoshoku Haki to protect himself from Vista and Marco. The discomfort in fighting haki users is probably due to having to use his CoA like Vergo did...except all the time. Obviously, this didn't work against Whitebeard.
BTW: dodging freakin' Tashigi isn't a feat. Both Monet and Tashigi are complete and utter trash. One is just worse than the other.
16 characters of Which one?
back in vol. 20
Apparently Logia users turn their bodies into their respected elements and from that can produce attack, that eventually become separate from their bodied. But source is always part of users actual body in elemental form, although, due to being raw elements they lose nothing of their bodies at the same time.
The Logia type was only considered the strongest because of its atributes rather than its actual capabilites; the atribute that was 95% responsible for making the Logia type seem the strongest was intangibility.
However, we are in the New World. The ability to use haki is prominent to survival there. It also means that the main atribute that made the Logia type so attractive to anyone outside the New World is gone.
Unless your Logia can deal serious raw damage (i.e. magma or ice) is is almost worthless. Fire and Gas is so-so.
Smoke, fruit juice, candy, paper, electricity and snow either deals no real damage or have too many weaknesses. Some even have both.
The Paramecia abilities that can be trained to be used even better are a far stronger choice. So far, that would account for most of the abilites we have seen except for a handful (i.e. Bon Clay's ability can't really be trained at all). They are more useful/versatile and we have already seen dozens of cases of it. Luffy, Law, Issho, Doflamingo, Jozu, Whitebeard, etc, etc…those are just to name a few.
Zoans are arguably the most powerful Devil Fruits. Remember Kaido's DF army?
A leopard user left Luffy so fucked up he couldn't even get up afterwards…and that is without using haki and Luffy having a rubber body…
Think of Luffy being punched by some of these guys (guys with the strength increment of an elephant, moose, bear, buffalo, gorilla, hippo, etc.) only with haki, hitting Luffy's real body…Luffy would instantly die.
The same goes for most other characters.
Even without the intangibility logias become powerful paracemias. So they really shouldn't be considered as the weakest devil fruits.
Even without the intangibility logias become powerful paracemias. So they really shouldn't be considered as the weakest devil fruits.
I understand where you are going with this so let's put it like this…
What could you do if you, yourself, were:
Smoke?
Candy?
Paper?
Snow?
Electricity?
Fruit juice?
What type of offensive/defensive abilities could you have with those?
The other Logias are all right or great. This ones suck or aren't worth it.
I understand where you are going with this so let's put it like this…
What could you do if you, yourself, were:
Smoke?
Candy?
Paper?
Snow?
Electricity?
Fruit juice?
What type of offensive/defensive abilities could you have with those?
The other Logias are all right or great. This ones suck or aren't worth it.
If nothing else, I'm forced to question:
Where in the world you got candy, paper, and, of all things, fruit juice from. Are those some sort of filler nonsense, or are you just making up random possibilities?
Why in the world you seem to think that 'electricity' is anything short of an incredibly powerful offensive ability.
@Panda:
If nothing else, I'm forced to question:
Where in the world you got candy, paper, and, of all things, fruit juice from. Are those some sort of filler nonsense, or are you just making up random possibilities?
Why in the world you seem to think that 'electricity' is anything short of an incredibly powerful offensive ability.
candy is from movie 5 fruit juice from movie 2 and paper from a game
Smoke, mud, fruit juice, paper, candy and snow don't deal "serious damage".
oh please leave those filler crap logias out of this, they dont count at all because logia means nature force/element..
i explained how snow could make you freeze to death too and you can drown in mud, caribou could even swallow this whole fabric.
@Super:
Monet stopping Luffy seemed more like plot because Oda likes having Luffy defeat someone after three tries for some reason…he has really lost his touch since Enies Lobby.
well it acutally happend because of you know, hypothermia… plot or not
if hie hie can freeze you instantly, than yuki yuki can reduce your temperature too.
I don't think you understand what haki and DF abilities does.
DF abilities are merely an extension of yours. Think if, in real life, you were to grow an extra set of arms. It doesn't necessarily make you stronger than a normal person but you have more power to do things (power: the ability to do something). That is why they are called "abilities". Just like your normal abilities, you could train your DF abilities and make them better. But without using haki, you wouldn't be able to hit a Logia user or someone who uses haki with it.
Haki is merely a manifestation of your willpower and it is a more strict version of DB's Ki. It allows a user of haki to use the latent essence they possess. It also allows them to penetrate whatever defenses a DF gives the user you are opposing.
Without haki, Law could improve his skill with the Ope Ope no Mi for decades and still wouldn't do anything to Vergo or Smoker. His strong haki was what allowed him to overcome Vergo's CoA and hit Smoker.
its ability of your opponent against your will, makes sense to me that the level of your ability competes with the willpower of your opponent.
when law hit smokers jitte in his little room it bounces back, vergos haki was strong enough to destroy it with a bamboo stick, but lost to laws cutting in the big room, if his ability is proportional to his room (wich i assumed) its trafalgars ability, not his haki, that made the difference.
would make more sense for him, not to use his full potential against smoker, cause it drains his stamina, than not to use haki for the same reason, but this is only my understanding of it, so nevermind this part of the argument.
Most Paramecia users, who know haki, will instantly make their DF devastating and I already mentioned plenty of examples. The Gomu Gomu no Mi is actually a pretty good fruit. Most people, with no critical thinking skills, say otherwise and forget that it was a 6-7 year old child that was trying to learn how to fight AND use his fruit.
when i say devastating im talking about gura gura or isshos fruit, where its relativly obvious they are top class. (the ones that start with devastating and not with, well at least i dont take serious damage through blunt attacks)
and what has haki to do with your df?
kalifa, mrs goldenweek, the berry marine captain, bon currey, alvida, foxy, kuma, bonney, capone, tsuru, buffalo, sugar, jora, etc.
cant see how they can haki use to upgrade their ability, and half of them cant even make their ability devastating at all.
As for Akainu, he most likely combined the intangibility of his DF with Busoshoku Haki to protect himself from Vista and Marco. The discomfort in fighting haki users is probably due to having to use his CoA like Vergo did…except all the time. Obviously, this didn't work against Whitebeard.
well okay, lets just say you have to use haki, then you still can avoid the attacks of your opponent through your own haki. as you said we are in the new world after all, where haki is anything but rare, so yeah logia still rules.
Annihilate an island or two?
You're a crazy, crazy man, Silver.
Me, I would just sell off the power I produced until I had enough money to live off of for the rest of my life, and never work again.
@Panda:
You're a crazy, crazy man, Silver.
Me, I would just sell off the power I produced until I had enough money to live off of for the rest of my life, and never work again.
This is clearly the best option. You, my good panda, are a genius.
@Panda:
You're a crazy, crazy man, Silver.
Me, I would just sell off the power I produced until I had enough money to live off of for the rest of my life, and never work again.
No, no, see, the islands I would be destroying are, in fact, behemot aliens from a far away galaxy that have come to our planet disguised as popular tourist attractions with a sinsiter goal of creating a tourism industry bubble that eventually would burst and destroy all life as we know it.
It's all for the greater good, you see.
Whatever floats your boat.
At this point, I think Phoenix Zoan reads a different manga from the rest of us.
I understand where you are going with this so let's put it like this…
What could you do if you, yourself, were:
Smoke?
Candy?
Paper?
Snow?
Electricity?
Fruit juice?
What type of offensive/defensive abilities could you have with those?
The other Logias are all right or great. This ones suck or aren't worth it.
I doubt fruit juice logia exist.
Smoke: extended range of attack great mobility and good for dodging
Snow: Snow storm, show hunt, the draining strength trick, the snow monster transformation.
Paper: Flying I suppose, Enhance dexterity(you're lighter), slicing paper, probably paper construction and the capacity to wrap people in paper as a mommy.
Electricity: Electrocute people and quick-zapping, there's also the metal alchemy and the possibility to travel through a conductor.
I'm not going to dispute all the Kaido stuff because, joking aside, it's a possibility. (I totally buy that Kaido has a vested interest here. I just don't buy that his interest is served at all by his subordinate anonymously entering some tournament. Anybody Kaido sends is going to stroll straight up to Doflamingo and demand assurances that CC's capture isn't going to interrupt their deal.)
I will dispute this 'fact' though, because it's not a fact. It's your interpretation. Even 'she couldn't even take out Rolling Logan' is your interpretation because we haven't actually seen Logan since he was facing Rebecca. Plus we have no idea how strong Logan is in the first place so her inability to take him out would prove nothing anyway. He could be as strong as Cavendish for all we know. Sure he apparently failed to take out Rebecca, but you can't really make that argument can you? Rolling Logan must be weak because he couldn't take out Rebecca who is weak because she couldn't take out Rolling… Oh.
I reckon Oda's handling of block D has been poor, overall. Us only seeing it a few panels at a time makes it feel slow, which makes the characters in it feel weaker. We can't get a feel for the pace of the battle if we only get a couple of panels every now and again. It makes it a lot more difficult to imagine in motion, IMO.
Rebecca is a joke. The first time we see her, other gladiators comment about her getting bullied by Spartan. Someone that gets picked on by a scrub like that isn't going to suddenly be able to fodder established New World fighters. The second time we see her, she's amazed at Luffy's speed and power, which are nothing compared to what the mystery character pulled off this chapter. If Rebecca was capable of doing that, she wouldn't have tried to sneak attack "Lucy" because he was too much of a threat. Which brings us to the third time we see Rebecca, she epic fails at attacking Luffy. Not only does she need someone else to hold him down so she can get in a cheapshot, Luffy just laughs it off as he pins her to the ground. Although Luffy wasn't taken out by Cavendish or Chinjao when they attacked either, he treated their attacks much more seriously and couldn't just take them out as if he was playing a game.
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A leopard user left Luffy so fucked up he couldn't even get up afterwards…and that is without using haki and Luffy having a rubber body…
Think of Luffy being punched by some of these guys (guys with the strength increment of an elephant, moose, bear, buffalo, gorilla, hippo, etc.) only with haki, hitting Luffy's real body…Luffy would instantly die.
The same goes for most other characters.
Akainu SUCCESSFULLY killed Ace, a much much stronger character than Luffy, with his fruit. Just because people like Enel and Croc claim to have mastered their fruits doesn't mean they're using them to their fullest potential. Croc and Enel couldn't even take Luffy's attacks, while Akainu, Kizaru, and Kuzan were able to use their fruits to dodge much more powerful, Haki imbued attacks from the likes of Whitebeard.
Akainu SUCCESSFULLY killed Ace, a much much stronger character than Luffy, with his fruit. Just because people like Enel and Croc claim to have mastered their fruits doesn't mean they're using them to their fullest potential. Croc and Enel couldn't even take Luffy's attacks, while Akainu, Kizaru, and Kuzan were able to use their fruits to dodge much more powerful, Haki imbued attacks from the likes of Whitebeard.
No offense but…duh! Anyone that knows 5th grade science can tell you that magma would be fire's natural weakness and it would have the same effect on it as, say, the Yami Yami no Mi: the fire user simply returns to having a normal body upon touch.
Enel's fruit has way too many weaknesses. Just going off the Logias I listed, about 1/3 of them would stomp him.
Crocodile mastered his fruit to the point he become sand upon even the slightest of breeze of attack towards him.
Again, people like Crocodile, the Admirals or the Yonkous are so strong and/or skilled that the DF they have becomes almost a non-factor since the strength of those individuals comes largely from them.
Better examples would be Monet, Caribou, Smoker, etc. and we all know what their Logias helped them accomplished: total and complete beat downs on them.
If those three had the Magma, Ice and Light fruits, the results of their battles against the same opponents that beat them would still be more or less the same. It is the Admirals that made Logias seem far more powerful than they were.
No offense but…duh! Anyone that knows 5th grade science can tell you that magma would be fire's natural weakness and it would have the same effect on it as, say, the Yami Yami no Mi: the fire user simply returns to having a normal body upon touch.
Enel's fruit has way too many weaknesses. Just going off the Logias I listed, about 1/3 of them would stomp him.
Crocodile mastered his fruit to the point he become sand upon even the slightest of breeze of attack towards him.
Again, people like Crocodile, the Admirals or the Yonkous are so strong and/or skilled that the DF they have becomes almost a non-factor since the strength of those individuals comes largely from them.
Better examples would be Monet, Caribou, Smoker, etc. and we all know what their Logias helped them accomplished: total and complete beat downs on them.
If those three had the Magma, Ice and Light fruits, the results of their battles against the same opponents that beat them would still be more or less the same. It is the Admirals that made Logias seem far more powerful than they were.
I'm sorry, are you comparing users or are you comparing devil fruits?
Because those are not the same.
I'm sorry, are you comparing users or are you comparing devil fruits?
Because those are not the same.
Akainu only needed to troll Ace, who is stupid enough to fall for the same BS that made him fall in the situation he just got out of, and merely use his DF to ROTFLstomp him.
Akainu only needed to troll Ace, who is stupid enough to fall for the same BS that made him fall in the situation he just got out of, and merely use his DF to ROTFLstomp him.
And? It does not make Mera Mera no Mi weak. It means that there is one specific persons that has advantage over you. And only one.
And if three random, normal people would get Logia, Paramecia, and Zoan fruits, the Logia person would win.
And no, you can't say Haki, powerful New World pirates and anything like that. That's comparing USERS, not FRUITS. When the fruits themselfs are considered, Logias are strongest ones.
At this point, I think Phoenix Zoan reads a different manga from the rest of us.
He's in Vegas, so you have to understand him.
And? It does not make Mera Mera no Mi weak. It means that there is one specific persons that has advantage over you. And only one.
And if three random, normal people would get Logia, Paramecia, and Zoan fruits, the Logia person would win.
And no, you can't say Haki, powerful New World pirates and anything like that. That's comparing USERS, not FRUITS. When the fruits themselfs are considered, Logias are strongest ones.
Make that four. He also wouldn't be able to do anything against Ceasar. The Suna Suna no Mi has a natural advantage over it.
And you forgot Blackbeard.
Fruits themselves? Yes, Logias are the most powerful. That is obvious.
In practical terms in the New World? They are the weakest.
Make that three . He also wouldn't be able to do anything against Ceasar.
And you forgot Blackbeard.
Fruits themselves? Yes, Logias are the most powerful. That is obvious.
In practical terms in the New World? They are the weakest.
Even if… that's three.
And they are still not the weakest. Powerful fighter with haki, say someone like Vergo, would profit more from having Logia fruit, than Zoan or Paramecia, unless we talk about most powerful ones, like Fuji's fruit, or Gura Gura no Mi or Doku Doku no Mi. You know why?
Let's say he faces powerful pirate crew, like, say, Straw Hats. And after the timeskip, they are powerful. And you know what happens?
Zoan and Paramecia? He has to face Nine powerful pirates.
Logia? He has to face Three.
He doesn't even have to use it's power. By the fact of having it, he made 2/3 of the crew completly useless in combat. And for now, I don't believe there is a crew made entirely of Haki users. Not even the Yonkou ones.
No offense but…duh! Anyone that knows 5th grade science can tell you that magma would be fire's natural weakness and it would have the same effect on it as, say, the Yami Yami no Mi: the fire user simply returns to having a normal body upon touch.
Enel's fruit has way too many weaknesses. Just going off the Logias I listed, about 1/3 of them would stomp him.
Crocodile mastered his fruit to the point he become sand upon even the slightest of breeze of attack towards him.
Again, people like Crocodile, the Admirals or the Yonkous are so strong and/or skilled that the DF they have becomes almost a non-factor since the strength of those individuals comes largely from them.
Better examples would be Monet, Caribou, Smoker, etc. and we all know what their Logias helped them accomplished: total and complete beat downs on them.
If those three had the Magma, Ice and Light fruits, the results of their battles against the same opponents that beat them would still be more or less the same. It is the Admirals that made Logias seem far more powerful than they were.
I thought that would be ice or water. Silly me.
In practical terms in the New World? They are the weakest.
I would say are the weakest by far. All the give normally is more strength. And in a world full with crazy ability getting your own special ability is better than gaining more strength.
I thought that would be ice or water. Silly me.
Fire can melt ice and evaporate water.
It can't do jack against magma, though.