Oh dear, looks like I opened up a can o' worms. Guess that's kind of becoming my thing around here.
@Taggerung:
For his family? What show are you watching. This shit stopped being about his family 3 seasons ago. This stopped being about his family after he decided 750.000 wasn't enough. Maybe 3 million? Oh wait nah thats not good enough. Between settle for 80 million and run a drug empire. Better force my way back into my wife's house and totally molest her with my hands and my morals in all the right places. Better constantly lie and manipulate my son so he thinks his mom is a huge angry bitch. A child was killed? Well Jesse these things happen hums merrily while making meth I mean it's a shame keeps humming Im totz broken up about it practically breaks out into song
One, I think you need to rewatch the series.
Two, I think you're just trying to see the bad in him. With no doubt, his attempt to force himself on Skylar was his lowest point in the series. But he realized that. Ever since he's been climbing back up. Slowly, with some retrograde no doubt, but he has never been that bad of a person since.
As for the thing with Drew, I doubt Walt would have killed him. But he dealt with his death in his own way, by burying himself in his work. I don't think he was happy about what happened, but I do think he figured there was no point in obsessing voer it like Jesse did.
He didn't manipulate Junior as much as you might think. Don't forget there are several long stretches of this show where he absolutely hates his dad. And, in the end, Junior is on her side.
His phone call was an apology LONG overdue to Skyler not some soul cleansing spirit affirming act of kindness after he you know the whole kidnapping. And even if you ignore who was in the game and who wasn't, which is a terrible standard to judge the loss of human life anyway, he is till a man who made 80 million dollars selling meth to people. He has no morals. His code blows with the wind. This isn't a western. It's a horror story. Walt is a monster.
Tuco was a monster. Gus was a monster. Walt comes nowhere near those two. He's miles away. His phonecall to Skylar was not an apology. No, all he did was prove what he had always been saying, that at the end of the day, screw his pride, it was all for his family. He wanted the money for his family, not for himself. He took action for his family.
And you can't ignore who was in the game. Why feel pity for the deaths of people who were playing the game? Who knew the risks? They all knew what they were in for. They knew the risks, but still, they chose to play.
@Foolio:
I'll admit I'm rooting for Walt… but not because he's a good guy. Because it's fun rooting for the bad guys from time to time. And Walt has certainly been built up to be this huge anti-hero, progressively being drained of redeemable qualities over time. I bet one of the biggest conversations among watchers is the question "when did you stop rooting for Walt?" I guess you can tell something about a person based on what they answer. And who knows what it says about me that I STILL want him to get away with it.
Hey, I'm right there with you. Though I don't really think he can get away with it at this point. The state of his house in the flash forward, and the scrawling of Heisenberg on the wall indicates that it's widespread knowledge who he is and what he's done. I do want him to die a hero though.
@Nobodyman:
For me, Walt crossed the moral event horizon when he poisoned Brock (and I don't think I buy that story about him using just enough poison to not be a lethal dose). He had done some nasty and manipulative stuff before then, but I still thought he was at least somewhat justified in doing them, if only by his own logic. And if course there were various moments in Seasons 4 and 5 that showed he was more concerned with his ego than his family.
While I don't think he used a specific dose, though, honestly, it's easily believable that he could have, I do think he poisoned Brock in such a way that would lead Jesse to alerting the doctor's to Ricin, and, in their poison screening, they would figure it out and be able to save his life.
My big question going into these last two episodes is if we'll find out how Walt poisoned Brock.
Really, these last few episodes where he seems to be relatively selfless and concerned with his family is kind of OOC. But I think that may mainly be due to his world crumbling down and finally having to pay for his crimes, so it's sort of a revelation for him.
I think it seems Out of Character simply because the show has done a good job convincing us that line is just another of his lies, and his pride is all that matters. But, I mean he's been saying it from day one. This is all for his family.
I think the most telling proof is that it was not his Pride, but his Family that led to Walt's ultimate downfall. If he had just stayed hidden and let the Aryans dispose of Hank and Jesse, then he would still be in a position of power. Hell, if he had not cared about his family so much, he probably never even would have retired in the first place. People think Walt was running out there for the money, but he was doing it for his family. After all, Walt's a dying man, he has no need for $80 million. His family does.
@Foolio:
Honestly in my opinion the show should have ended last season when we found out he poisoned Brock. I thought it was pretty amazing with his declaration of "I won" and then the camera panning into his back yard at the very end with the reveal. I think explicitly showing all the fallout afterward actually somewhat lessens the impact. But they're clearly going for a definitive ending here.
While it worked, I don't think it would be as good as what we're going to get. After all, as much as I'm rooting for Walt, you can't end this story with him on top. Especially not as the villain.
@RuNa:
They do.
Jesse is such a fuck up and has been for a long time. Every time where he has a chance for his life to go down the right path he just makes things worse.
Walt's made things worse. Jesse has always tried, but Walt talks him back into it. The only mistakes I can say Jesse is guilty of, since the start of the series are 1)The relationship with Jane (but really, she was manipulating him) and 2)Not talking to Walt on the bench.
I feel bad for Jesse. He's always being used by someone. He's always being hurt by someone. The poor kid really can't catch a break.
I swear, if he dies, I'm going to cry my eyes out.
Skyler, besides cheating on her husband and generally acting like a bitch, was the one who wanted IN on Walt's meth operation. She's the one who suggested he waste Jesse which, if that probably didn't happen, we might never have been where we are now.
Yeah, i don't get the irrational hate for Skylar. She just got in way over her head too, because of her greed. But, also, just like Walt, she's doing it for her family. But yeah, I'm not Skylar's biggest fan, but I don't get the hate.
@Spicy:
Also, I don't understand Walt's need to kill Gus. Gus did threaten him in the desert, but he said he would kill him only if he messed with him again. He basically got a free pass to leave the business but after that he went into panic mode and thought he needed to kill Gus. If he just let it go and never saw Gus again, literally EVERYONE would have been happy. That's something I don't really understand.
Gus was going to kill Hank, and if Walt intervened, Gus would have killed his entire family. So, in the end, Walt's FAMILY (see people, do you see?!) was his downfall. He could not let Hank die. If he had, like you said, everything would be clear. (Though I do think Gus would have eventually gotten revenge.)
Once he interfered, and they couldn't run, the only option Walt had left was to kill Gus.
 
