The Future of the Whitebeard pirates
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no,'im saying that usually oda when creates a rule,sticks with it,and he already did a huge exception by giving teach a second one.
Why do you think he made an exception? It sure has a good explanation, probably something related to his df.
It was stated that his DF-Power sucks in other DF powers or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda made a believable story out of that, allowing blackbeard to have multiple "DFs inside his body". I dont have a good explanation for that, but you could build up a believable reason out of that.
That would also explain why Teach was so absolutely wanting that particular fruit, saying that it was the strongest fruit. The fact that he can hit and suck in other DF users would certainly not be the reason for that. He knew exactly that he could "extract" the power of dying DF users and use them himself. It was his plan from the beginning to get WBs ability.Obv. just guessing here, just wanted to point out that Oda surely didn't make an exception because he wanted Teach to look awesome or special. The 2 fruit rule is most likely still a fact for anyone without that particular
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If he really has more than those 2 DFs it surely has some major side effects, which will be pointed out by Luffy at some point -
Why do you think he made an exception? It sure has a good explanation, probably something related to his df.
It was stated that his DF-Power sucks in other DF powers or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Oda made a believable story out of that, allowing blackbeard to have multiple "DFs inside his body". I dont have a good explanation for that, but you could build up a believable reason out of that.
That would also explain why Teach was so absolutely wanting that particular fruit, saying that it was the strongest fruit. The fact that he can hit and suck in other DF users would certainly not be the reason for that. He knew exactly that he could "extract" the power of dying DF users and use them himself. It was his plan from the beginning to get WBs ability.Obv. just guessing here, just wanted to point out that Oda surely didn't make an exception because he wanted Teach to look awesome or special. The 2 fruit rule is most likely still a fact for anyone without that particular
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If he really has more than those 2 DFs it surely has some major side effects, which will be pointed out by Luffy at some pointactually,it is pretty clear that it is something about his body,not his DF.Nothing confirmed,but Oda wouldn't have made Marco said that line without a reason.And Marco didn't see Teach since when he killed Thatch and stole the yami yami..so it was definitely not talking about something DF related.
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Crocus and Rayleigh say they were apprentices.
apprentices or not, they were part of Riger's crew.
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We already know what teach's third power will be as it will match his animal theme - the bearded pig zoan :ninja:
I am curious how many powers Teach can/will have
I find the Cerberus idea really nonsensical, but there are a couple signs that may point to him only being able to subsume three fruits (the three skulls on his jolly roger [this could be related to something else though] and the fact that he now has the strongest Paramecia and Logia abilities [if he were to eat the strongest Zoan it would pretty much make the ultimate trifecta of powerful fruit abilities]). -
That's an awfully strong statement to make; how can you dismiss it the idea without knowing how Oda would implement it? I don't think Teach should have a whole gamut of powers available to him, but I think another one would be fine, depending on what it was, the reasoning behind it, and the execution of it.
Okey , maybee to strong , but i will be so desapointed…
unless oda makes is magic and stuff..
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apprentices or not, they were part of Riger's crew.
buggy..before impel down incident they didnt even know that he was on oro jackson.
shanks created strong crew, strong enough to later become yonko. He wouldnt have done great. He would've been hunted down but he just won or escaped everytime.
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I am curious how many powers Teach can/will have
I find the Cerberus idea really nonsensical, but there are a couple signs that may point to him only being able to subsume three fruits (the three skulls on his jolly roger [this could be related to something else though] and the fact that he now has the strongest Paramecia and Logia abilities [if he were to eat the strongest Zoan it would pretty much make the ultimate trifecta of powerful fruit abilities]).The three skulls is a pretty obvious reference to the fates who have throughout history been a trio of women. The crew has somewhat of a fate theme to it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FatesWouldn't be surprised if it also linked to him gaining a third power though. If this were the case then I would expect it to be a zoan. My one was just a joke but, like many others, I could see him stealing Marco's and becoming a weird black phoenix. Can't help but feel that the combination of those powers would make him somewhat invulnerable.
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Blackbeard…the fat black-hole earthquake phoenix pirate...WHAT?
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Preferably a fortress man too so he can put away that ridiculous supergiant.
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Blackbeard…the fat black-hole earthquake phoenix pirate...WHAT?
Just imagine awakened zoan Dark Phoenix whose every move causes earthquakes. Awesome.
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@mary:
buggy..before impel down incident they didnt even know that he was on oro jackson.
shanks created strong crew, strong enough to later become yonko. He wouldnt have done great. He would've been hunted down but he just won or escaped everytime.
And wbs are stronger together than disbanded.stronger doesn't necessaries mean safer. They are no longer at position, where their strength gave them upper hand, on the contrary now it's what make them targets. From all we know safest route is to disband. I guess they didn't become pirates in order to stay safe. I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not arguing to support the fact, that WB pirates disbanded (although I do think the ware forced by circumstances to disband or divide). I'm just pointing out fallacies other people made.
To tell if WB pirates disbanded we need to know what their top priority right now is. If it's safety of the individual members, they've disbanded. If it's something else, like protecting islands, taking revenge on Teach or aiming for one Piece they've sayed together (and subsequently are facing really hard time). -
I think you've misunderstood me.
kind of
I'm not arguing to support the fact, that WB pirates disbanded (although I do think the ware forced by circumstances to disband or divide). I'm just pointing out fallacies other people made.
To tell if WB pirates disbanded we need to know what their top priority right now is. If it's safety of the individual members, they've disbanded. If it's something else, like protecting islands, taking revenge on Teach or aiming for one Piece they've sayed together (and subsequently are facing really hard time).in that case i agree
i meant that if they disbanded then they arent active pirates anymore, that they wont continue being pirates in separate crews with commanders as captains (or something like that) -
If WB pirates were looking for safety of the individuals they have NOT disbanded.
How could a lone Jozu (for example) be safe to the potential threat of ALL the members of the BlackBeard crew atacking him together?
Then, even if they disbanded and left the pirates' life, they don't have a family (big point of WB crew) except the comrades, and their bounties would still be in place.
Disbanding to be safe is the most stupid thing WB pirates could do, at least for the Commanders, the fodder could have gone away.
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If WB pirates were looking for safety of the individuals they have NOT disbanded.
How could a lone Jozu (for example) be safe to the potential threat of ALL the members of the BlackBeard crew atacking him together?
Then, even if they disbanded and left the pirates' life, they don't have a family (big point of WB crew) except the comrades, and their bounties would still be in place.
Disbanding to be safe is the most stupid thing WB pirates could do, at least for the Commanders, the fodder could have gone away.
Probably the allied pirates are under someone else's protection now though.i am 99% sure they are planning something. and even some of allied pirates may've joined him, for example squardo.
p.s. If they hide somewhere, where nobody would recognize them, they'd be safe, its possibility, but hasnt much chances. Even if we put family thing aside. they wont even be able to forgive teach -
Where could they go?
Bounty posters are delivered everywhere with Daily Coo.
Only an uninhabited island could work -
Where could they go?
Bounty posters are delivered everywhere with Daily Coo.
Only an inhabited island could workthey could've changed looks, but they'd be lonely
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If WB pirates were looking for safety of the individuals they have NOT disbanded.
How could a lone Jozu (for example) be safe to the potential threat of ALL the members of the BlackBeard crew atacking him together?
Then, even if they disbanded and left the pirates' life, they don't have a family (big point of WB crew) except the comrades, and their bounties would still be in place.
Disbanding to be safe is the most stupid thing WB pirates could do, at least for the Commanders, the fodder could have gone away.
Probably the allied pirates are under someone else's protection now though.a lone Josu would be safer because:
a) Marines wouldn't waist their effort to go after every one of WB pirates, or even the commanders when there are more pressing threats
b) Emperors wouldn't waist their time either
c) it's easier to conceal whereabouts individual or small groups than big group
d) Blackbeard pirates would only try to catch those who have Devil Fruits, so Josu is still under a threat, but all those who don't posses Devil Fruit are safe for that danger. Have Devil Fruit users from WB pirates abandon New Word BB crew wouldn't probably pursue them. In worst case scenario they would send one or two members.
e) rookies won't challenge them for power and fame.Basically all sort of people can gain a lot by pursuing Whitebeard Pirates if they stay together, but almost no one can gain anything by pursuing them as individuals if they have disbanded and even if somebody have prospects of gaining something they would do the calculations and see that it's not worth expansions and effort.
Furthermore there's about 1600 members. Many probably don't have bounties. After all Teach hadn't before starting on his own. Chances are that some of those guys need protection and are hindrance to others and I doubt any member of this crew would tell other "go away, you're a hindrance", saying "from now on we are disbanding" puts everyone in much more equal possition emotionally wise.
Also there exist probability, that there are some islands or communities that would like to support Whitebeard's subordinates or give them a place to stay, but are not strong enough to invite whole crew (both military power wise - that's rather obvious and economically). Helping few people is different story. It's way easier to be done in secrecy. -
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there were looot of people who hated wb pirates. so, if their identity was known they'd only be safe as you said: in some kind of island where people would be willing to help em
but, no one would have been concidered as a hindrance!
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Where could they go?
Bounty posters are delivered everywhere with Daily Coo.
Only an inhabited island could worklet's remember, that fake moustache is a perfect disguise in One Piece World and people legitimately thought Demolo Black was Luffy. Heck people in Alabasta hadn't recognised Whitebeard's sigh on Ace's tattoo till Smoker identified him.
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My personal guess is that they are now sort of like a rogue crew. With no official name and/or captain, Marco would probably act as some sort of group leader but not official. My reason being that I can see them having too much respect for WB to be under a different name (and a different captain), but they also don't want to use the name Whitebeard Pirates without their pops. Plus as 'brothers', I can see them still sticking together, sailing the New World just looking out for each other.
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@mary:
there were looot of people who hated wb pirates. so, if their identity was known they'd only be safe as you said: in some kind of island where people would be willing to help em
but, no one would have been concidered as a hindrance!
people who would have gone after WB pirates if the stay together:
BB's Crew
Marines
Emperors
Rookies
people, who hate them for some specific reason
dumb bounty hunterspeople, who would go after WB pirates if the disband:
bounty hunters
people, who hate them for some specific reasonSituation after Whitebear's death looks that way: strong members endanger weak members, because they are what mostly cause various groups to pursue the crew, weak members endanger strong members, because they need to be protected.
Nobody would be ever called hindrance. That doesn't mean anyone won't be considered hindrance. Likely people will start considering themselves hindrances to others.
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people who would have gone after WB pirates if the stay together:
BB's Crew
Marines
Emperors
Rookies
people, who hate them for some specific reason
dumb bounty hunterspeople, who would go after WB pirates if the disband:
bounty hunters
people, who hate them for some specific reasonSituation after Whitebear's death looks that way: strong members endanger weak members, because they are what mostly cause various groups to pursue the crew, weak members endanger strong members, because they need to be protected.
Nobody would be ever called hindrance. That doesn't mean anyone won't be considered hindrance. Likely people will start considering themselves hindrances to others.
That's another reason why I believe they will still be together and becoming a rogue crew. There will be a lot of people aiming for them for vengeance or fame, so it'd be better to just stick together; lay low and looking after each other
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@mary:
anyway, they wont forgive teach
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I've already said clearly that they may have different top priority than safety. I only asserted implication "if they want safety of individual members (as a top priority), than they disband" and needed to explain why disbanding is safest route.
When figuring out what character would do there are two things we need to know, that are:
- what character knows about conditions they are in.
- what is hierarchy of their top priorities and values.
I just analysed 1), but only in terms of safety.
We can pretty much figure what top priorities of WB pirates are:
protecting their Father legacy, safety of individual members, staying together as a family, revenge on Blackbeard
But we have't been given enough insight in the characters to tell, which of those is the top priority. And guess what? we can argue in favour of each of those.
Furthermore we don't know the exact conditions so we can't tell the course of action they would take in order to protect fulfil priories other than safety. You may say that if the wanted to stay together and be family, they surely haven't disbanded. But that's not a given at all. Situation may have been, that they had to split in order to re-establish in the future. After all they can't be together if they are all dead or imprisoned. Disbanding for a time being may be just part of the strategy. -
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i know that both of those are possibilities
and i know that you said if they choose safety, i wasnt arguing, its just me giving up, saying that they wont have it as their priority, but its just my intuition and belief,and i dont call disbanding for a short time 'disbanding'
if situation was hard that one has high possibilitythere's another chance that they are allied with shanks
we havent any clues to be sure about any of them
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My personal guess is that they are now sort of like a rogue crew. (…)
they are already pirates, how much more rogue can they get?
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Everyone's acting like the Whitebeard Pirates are nothing without their captain. Vista held his own against Mihawk, the greatest swordsman and probably strongest Warlord, and the 5 Elder Stars have said that the only people who could beat Blackbeard would be Kaido, Big Mam, Shanks, or Marco. Pretty much proves he was regarded as one of the five strongest pirates before the timeskip. And I'd say each commander is at low-tier level at least. Not to mention all those other crews that have their back. Together, they could definitely hold their own in the New World.
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Everyone's acting like the Whitebeard Pirates are nothing without their captain. Vista held his own against Mihawk, the greatest swordsman and probably strongest Warlord, and the 5 Elder Stars have said that the only people who could beat Blackbeard would be Kaido, Big Mam, Shanks, or Marco. Pretty much proves he was regarded as one of the five strongest pirates before the timeskip. And I'd say each commander is at low-tier level at least. Not to mention all those other crews that have their back. Together, they could definitely hold their own in the New World.
only if blackbeards dont decide to hunt them down
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@mary:
only if blackbeards dont decide to hunt them down
Marco is close to his level. But there's no way he could take on his whole crew alone so disbanding would make no sense. If they're together as a crew, they're still a strong force for the New World.
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Everyone's acting like the Whitebeard Pirates are nothing without their captain. Vista held his own against Mihawk, the greatest swordsman and probably strongest Warlord, and the 5 Elder Stars have said that the only people who could beat Blackbeard would be Kaido, Big Mam, Shanks, or Marco. Pretty much proves he was regarded as one of the five strongest pirates before the timeskip. And I'd say each commander is at low-tier level at least. Not to mention all those other crews that have their back. Together, they could definitely hold their own in the New World.
than explain why Jinbei formed allience with Big Mam. He is about the last person, that would left Whitebeard alliance.
From What we've seen before Whitebeard's death it's been mostly position war in the New World, even most rookies were scared off by sigh of Whitebeard. After the War it's been open season on WB pirates, it's highly possible they have been weakened greatly from being constantly attacked, not to mentioned that many of their men were injured and they lost ships in the war.
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than explain why Jinbei formed allience with Big Mam. He is about the last person, that would left Whitebeard alliance.
From What we've seen before Whitebeard's death it's been mostly position war in the New World, even most rookies were scared off by sigh of Whitebeard. After the War it's been open season on WB pirates, it's highly possible they have been weakened greatly from being constantly attacked, not to mentioned that many of their men were injured and they lost ships in the war.
Yeah, the Whitebeard Pirates have weakened, but it's nonsensical to say that losing their captain would send them from the top to the bottom. Who's gonna go after them? The pirate crews are targeting the big names like Big Mom and Kaido. Whitebeard lost his territory so there's nothing to gain from beating them. And the marines have a lot bigger shit to deal with like Dragon, the Four Emperors, and the Worst Generation. If Marco and his crew are just sitting back, they aren't a top priority for the marines to deal with. Only bounty hunters, who we've seen little of, and Blackbeard (for 2 devil fruits) would have any interest in the Whitebeard Pirates. I do think he will go after them later but as of now there's been no threat of that.
Jinbe chose Big Mom cause she's in a lot more power right now although that's to be expected since she's one of the Four Emperors. It's one thing to say the Whitebeard Pirates have lost power but it's a whole nother to say that they can't survive out at sea.
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Whitebeard himself must have known all that was going to happen. He was prepared to die after all. I wonder what exactly he planned before the war happened. He couldn't have just planned to rescue Ace and nothing else. I would think he had a plan for his crew for the possibility of him dying.
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Yeah, the Whitebeard Pirates have weakened, but it's nonsensical to say that losing their captain would send them from the top to the bottom. Who's gonna go after them? The pirate crews are targeting the big names like Big Mom and Kaido. Whitebeard lost his territory so there's nothing to gain from beating them. And the marines have a lot bigger shit to deal with like Dragon, the Four Emperors, and the Worst Generation. If Marco and his crew are just sitting back, they aren't a top priority for the marines to deal with. Only bounty hunters, who we've seen little of, and Blackbeard (for 2 devil fruits) would have any interest in the Whitebeard Pirates. I do think he will go after them later but as of now there's been no threat of that.
Jinbe chose Big Mom cause she's in a lot more power right now although that's to be expected since she's one of the Four Emperors. It's one thing to say the Whitebeard Pirates have lost power but it's a whole nother to say that they can't survive out at sea.
Do you think they just lost territories because Whitebeard died?
As long as they are active crew, there would be people challenging them, because challenging them is probably safer than challenging emperors and there are some perks in form of notoriety and maybe territories or treasures. There will be a lot of people to take them out as long as they will keep high profile and famous, giant crew that size can't really keep low profile, unless they disband or divide into smaller crews. Emperors will be after them, to destroy possible threat or to gain new members (by beating them into submission) and they won't be likely to let the crew to regenerate, this is just too good of a chance. For the Marines too. You take out those who are weakened, when they are weakened. Just remember, that Marines didn't go after Whitebeard's men before not just because he was so strong and they didn't have chance to defeat him - that was just a part of it. Oyaji was like nuclear threat - he had possibility to destroy the world. Now they actually have chance to take out his men. From what we've seen that far, Marines normally don't prioritize taking out emperors, because it's too much of a risk (they wait for good occasions when it comes to emperors). They hunt crews that are powerful and daring enough to pose serious threat, but not emperor scale. This precisely the category, to which Whitebeard's crew dropped. Plus it would look good to the public if they actually managed to finish off late emperors crew. And since they are such a huge crew it's hard for them to escape the net. Basically they just big target for everyone. -
Outside the 4 Emperors - even with the loss of Whitebeard, Ace and Thatch - they'd still be the strongest Pirate crew out there with the likes of Marco, Jozu, Vista and clearly the other commanders are powerful pirates in their own right.
Though to be fair, the Marineford war didn't exactly show off the full abilities of the WB crew, except a little of Marco and Jozu's amazing feat of physical strength where he tore out a huge Iceberg from the sea and tossed it towards the Island ( probably the most impressive show of physical strength we've seen so far )
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Of course they are powerful. That's not in question. But after the War they are at their weakest point and also most exposed to the attackers. Can they withstand constant attacks from every side? I don't think it's a given.
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Still doesn't change the fact that the gorosei considers Marco and the rest of the crew among the people who can take down Blackbeard.(pre-Timeskip).
Anyways in an SBS Oda said Marco will appear again, where he will show us what his Devilfruit is really capable of.
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They will stay a crew under Marco and be called The Order of the Phoenix and they will attempt to fight Lord Blackbeards army.
On a serious note, I don't see them seperating. Of course they won't have the same power they do now because of Whitebeard, but they will still be a big force in the New World
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Whitebeard himself must have known all that was going to happen. He was prepared to die after all. I wonder what exactly he planned before the war happened. He couldn't have just planned to rescue Ace and nothing else. I would think he had a plan for his crew for the possibility of him dying.
If Whitebeard did have a plan I bet Blackbeard getting his DF and rise to power. Along with Ace death at MF messed them up badly.
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obv. they're going to rally under luffy, the main crew that is. They will probably go under WB's name or change their names all together. But Luffy needs their support in order to go toe to toe with an emperor. Oda's stated (through law's dialogue) that emperors and even stronger pirate crews in the latter half of the grand line, their power is their sphere of influence.
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Still doesn't change the fact that the gorosei considers Marco and the rest of the crew among the people who can take down Blackbeard.(pre-Timeskip).
Anyways in an SBS Oda said Marco will appear again, where he will show us what his Devilfruit is really capable of.
Wasn't that the one where he was asked if there was a limit to Marco's regeneration?
I believe he said yes, but wasn't going into details because he said he might revisit that later.
I took that to mean that we are going to see Marco quite badly injured/die in the future sometime.
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Marco is so underrated, but I'd like for either Jozu or Vista to meet up with SH crew and talk about how the rest of the WB commanders have either been hunted down and killed by Supernovas, BB, and/or Kaidou or been assimiliated into other crews. Meanwhile Marco is the newest SB, that last part is a reach