Eg I remember one time my brother punched his way through a glass door to break in and beat the crap out of me after I tried to knock him off the house roof with the garden hose. Lol those were the days. I think we've both hit each other around the face and head with skateboards, golf clubs, and one time cricket bat.
I want to draw fanart.
@NER:
Thanks guys. :/
It just sucks, I mean, he did the same thing WAY TOO MANY TIMES in the few years that passed and I never resorted to violence, and I never stopped caring about him, but now its a million time worse, because I didn't only stop caring about him and help him out like a brother should, I also keep comparing him to the people that I hate the most (there's no need to tell you what happened between me and my friends, but it was seriously BIG..) + I don't think I'll resort to violence again, so that's not a thing to worry about right now /;
You guys sound very young, having awareness of that factor might bring some clearance. There are a lot of things that can't be helped at that time in one's life but I encourage to always reflect and learn. Having these feelings is not the sin, but I think it is good to think about where they come and how much influence you want them to have on you.
I for one due various circumstances have found hate very unsightly when I was in my teens to the point of very much forcing myself to immediately distance myself from it whenever I began to feel it. I would often say that hate seems to be the most unnecessary feeling of all.
But now that I've wizened up a little bit I tell you that hate is a sign of passion. Being able to hate shows that you care and caring about stuff is something very important to have in your life, it influences a lot of things last but not least the ability to love.
So long story short I've since then learned to hate a bit more which for me was something very positive. Now before people think that I'm endorsing hatefulness in one's life, no I'm not. It's just something natural and everyone has to figure out for themselves how to deal with it so it doesn't hurt anybody, which is very hard but something that should be constantly worked at.
At times I wish school would have that as a subject, empathy/emotional reflection. It's something so important I feel like and in life quite a bit more relevant than some of the other subjects school attempts to teach.
@NER I wouldn't make a big deal out of this. When I was younger my older brother beat the shit out of me everyday. Huge bruises all up my body, but it was usually in response to me annoying him, which happened a lot considering I had some kind of super form of an attention deficit. Lol
The problem isn't really him getting into fights with his brother, but rather NER feeling like shit because he can't get over whatever his former friends did to him.
@Señor:
The problem isn't really him getting into fights with his brother, but rather NER feeling like shit because he can't get over whatever his former friends did to him.
i can cover what I have insight to.
As to this parallel between his brother and former friends, it's not something I can comment on without information. It's like trying to prescribe medicine when you don't know what the symptoms or illness is. I could take a wild shot int the dark, but unless I know the full story i can't really have a hope in hell at finding a solution or answer.
And to be honest I don't want to wing it.
I think Alzheimer's Disease and Dementia are one if the worst, if not the worst, diseases you can get. I just can't imagine forgetting all the people you love and care for, all the fun and exciting things you have done in your life etc.
A weird confession, I know.
It genuinely sounds like she's completely oblivious to what she's doing, and that most of her actions are just spur of the moment things. This is the kind of stuff you'll have to deal with if you are with someone that goes through days to day life like this. It's not bad and somewhat cool. The thing is you might misunderstand it as her being selfish, when that probably wasn't her intention.
As for the late house call early hours of the morning….
...damn. If my partner did that, i would be paranoid. I'm not saying that to scare you, but there is a difference between normal ignorance of your partners feelings and this.
How do you think she would react if you did the same to her?
As of love in general: you'll probably have a handful of relationships in life. Either breaking or having your heart broken, but it's worth it. Yeah it's easy to just focus on the bad, but when you weigh it up against the experience and journey.....well love just wins.
Even if this doesn't work out for you, I'm sure you won't regret it. Still you are a decent bloke, you'll end up wi someone that sees that and appreciates you the way you would them.
Fingers crossed on this though. It could all just be a bump in the road.
Thx a lot smudge. It feels like if anything shes just rly oblivious. That wasnt an early house call, sone dude went to her house late night and they talked, so its even worse. I guess she had the confidence to tell me about it but i still got paranoid because i know her and i know a lot of men who wanted to be with her one of them was a good pal of mine but he got pissed at her and stopped talking to her because of me. Ill just try and take it easy from here on in. Thx again guys. Sorry for leetspeak im on iphone andcant be bothered to type properly
Being super jealous never leads to anything good. I mean are you going to be that guy who's checking her texts to make sure her friends are only friends?
If she's so unreliable and two-faced that you genuinly think she is two-timing you i don't see much of a future for you two
And if she isn't then you need to lay off the jealousy and put some trust into it. It's always a gamble and you might lose but you'll get nowhere if you don't try
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@The:
I think Alzheimer's Disease and Dementia are one if the worst, if not the worst, diseases you can get. I just can't imagine forgetting all the people you love and care for, all the fun and exciting things you have done in your life etc.
A weird confession, I know.
I'd have to agree.
[hide]My grandmother currently suffers from dementia….I mean, she's almost 89 and while half the time she knows who everyone is and even current events (one visit she was talking about the Boston bomber being caught in the boat), the other half....not so much. She also has a habit of repeating stories.
In those times she gets my name wrong......I get a tad worried.
shakes fist I curse you, dementia![/hide]
@The:
I think Alzheimer's Disease and Dementia are one if the worst, if not the worst, diseases you can get. I just can't imagine forgetting all the people you love and care for, all the fun and exciting things you have done in your life etc.
A weird confession, I know.
I'd have to agree.
[hide]My grandmother currently suffers from dementia….I mean, she's almost 89 and while half the time she knows who everyone is and even current events (one visit she was talking about the Boston bomber being caught in the boat), the other half....not so much. She also has a habit of repeating stories.
In those times she gets my name wrong......I get a tad worried.
shakes fist I curse you, dementia![/hide]
Coming from a med student, you guys are thinking too small. while yes dementia and Alzheimers are bad (My nan has it), i can tell you many many many things that are worse than the both of them combined.
WHAT!!!
GO AWAY!!
@bartholemew:
Coming from a med student, you guys are thinking too small. while yes dementia and Alzheimers are bad (My nan has it), i can tell you many many many things that are worse than the both of them combined.
Oh of course. Cancer, AIDS…..you probably have a whole list.
shrugs I guess since dementia's affecting someone in my life....I dunno, I'm kinda glad somebody's not suffering from something worse. It's already painful enough seeing the former in action.
@wolfwoof:
Being super jealous never leads to anything good. I mean are you going to be that guy who's checking her texts to make sure her friends are only friends?
If she's so unreliable and two-faced that you genuinly think she is two-timing you i don't see much of a future for you two
And if she isn't then you need to lay off the jealousy and put some trust into it. It's always a gamble and you might lose but you'll get nowhere if you don't try
There is a difference between being "super jealous" and suspecting something when your gf gets house calls late in the night, at least for me.
I did put two options up there. And by super jealous i meant if he was going to make a habit of being so
This turned out much longer than I intended….flood gates.
! I'm not sure if my grandmother has dementia. Because based on her behavior she must have had it in her early 50's. She's always called me by my mom's name first before correcting herself.
! Her personality is terrible and she makes being around her impossible with out getting pissed off. I wish I could ignore what she says. But it's incredibly hard. I'm far from a saint but her blaming all her problems on others especially my mom and dad really make me angry. My mom makes extra trips to the store to pick up specific brands of food that happen to be more expensive because she refuses to any anything off brand. She blames my dad for why she can't drive even though he had no connection to it other than it was his car she wound up in an accident with, even though nobody blamed her because she got rear ended into someone at a stopped light.
! She moved herself back into my family's house after my mom had an aneurism under the guise of wanting to help, but instead she was just concerned that they wouldn't pay for her apartment any more. Now she's too old and we can't get her to go back to Virgina and she only stresses out my mom. 7 years and she makes us all and herself miserable. She makes stupid assumptions daily. I can't even relax without it seeming like to her I'm in a bad mood. Her asking me "what's wrong?" puts me in a horrible mood.
! She's addicted to gambling (scratch tickets) and calls it her medicine. She has full health care and refuses to get medication for the depression she says she's been diagnosed with. God forbid she doesn't anything that would improve her life.
! She's messed up the carpets (which were white) from carrying her tray of food upstairs because she refuses to eat at the dining table down stairs and she's hardly strong enough to carry it steadily. She constantly says things like "Oh I'll be out of your way." But we never once said she was in the way. She over dramatizes things constantly over highly minor issues. She refuses to listen when we tell her things. She asks for advice tells us her impractical ideas like only leasing cars, or hiring lawyers for every problem. The lawyer thing she insists they will work for free if you ask.
! The most worrying thing is that she's started accidentally burning plastic stuff on or in the oven.
! When we tell her we're off on the trip we've told her about daily for weeks she says in a horrified voice. "Well! I didn't know. Nobody ever told me!" Every time we all go out of town one of us has to pay for my uncle to fly out and watch her. And my uncle is a deadbeat he owes me over 500 dollars for paying for his flight. The instant we leave town my grandmother suddenly has a "medical problem". It's never once been anything. My mom went out of town for the week and it was just my dad and me. She wanted to call my mom early in the morning to make her fly back that day. We can't have friends over because she makes too big a deal about "hiding" or hating my parent's friends because she holds onto a weird perceived slight from years ago.
! And top it off she says random racist stuff. She constantly claims non-black doctors don't understand how to handle her. She says weird things about the people at the gas stations where she gets her scratch tickets. She said that my family makes better food than most because we came from house slaves and had better class.
! I don't know how to deal with this any more. This was only just a few things too…Like trying to sell stuff that wasn't hers. Refusing to understand I don't want to be an artist for a living. Not getting it in her head that people like my dad. That my mom is not at fault for her inability to convey what she wants to bill collectors.
I had to give up a cat because she claimed to be allergic (not true at all). She makes her life a 1000% more difficult than it needs to be.
I have always heard she's been weird and has been a complainer since forever. But I don't know if this is just her personality combined with actual medical stuff or if she's got something else going on.
This turned out much longer than I intended….flood gates.
! I'm not sure if my grandmother has dementia. Because based on her behavior she must have had it in her early 50's. She's always called me by my mom's name first before correcting herself.
! Her personality is terrible and she makes being around her impossible with out getting pissed off. I wish I could ignore what she says. But it's incredibly hard. I'm far from a saint but her blaming all her problems on others especially my mom and dad really make me angry. My mom makes extra trips to the store to pick up specific brands of food that happen to be more expensive because she refuses to any anything off brand. She blames my dad for why she can't drive even though he had no connection to it other than it was his car she wound up in an accident with, even though nobody blamed her because she got rear ended into someone at a stopped light.
! She moved herself back into my family's house after my mom had an aneurism under the guise of wanting to help, but instead she was just concerned that they wouldn't pay for her apartment any more. Now she's too old and we can't get her to go back to Virgina and she only stresses out my mom. 7 years and she makes us all and herself miserable. She makes stupid assumptions daily. I can't even relax without it seeming like to her I'm in a bad mood. Her asking me "what's wrong?" puts me in a horrible mood.
! She's addicted to gambling (scratch tickets) and calls it her medicine. She has full health care and refuses to get medication for the depression she says she's been diagnosed with. God forbid she doesn't anything that would improve her life.
! She's messed up the carpets (which were white) from carrying her tray of food upstairs because she refuses to eat at the dining table down stairs and she's hardly strong enough to carry it steadily. She constantly says things like "Oh I'll be out of your way." But we never once said she was in the way. She over dramatizes things constantly over highly minor issues. She refuses to listen when we tell her things. She asks for advice tells us her impractical ideas like only leasing cars, or hiring lawyers for every problem. The lawyer thing she insists they will work for free if you ask.
! The most worrying thing is that she's started accidentally burning plastic stuff on or in the oven.
! When we tell her we're off on the trip we've told her about daily for weeks she says in a horrified voice. "Well! I didn't know. Nobody ever told me!" Every time we all go out of town one of us has to pay for my uncle to fly out and watch her. And my uncle is a deadbeat he owes me over 500 dollars for paying for his flight. The instant we leave town my grandmother suddenly has a "medical problem". It's never once been anything. My mom went out of town for the week and it was just my dad and me. She wanted to call my mom early in the morning to make her fly back that day. We can't have friends over because she makes too big a deal about "hiding" or hating my parent's friends because she holds onto a weird perceived slight from years ago.
! And top it off she says random racist stuff. She constantly claims non-black doctors don't understand how to handle her. She says weird things about the people at the gas stations where she gets her scratch tickets. She said that my family makes better food than most because we came from house slaves and had better class.
! I don't know how to deal with this any more. This was only just a few things too…Like trying to sell stuff that wasn't hers. Refusing to understand I don't want to be an artist for a living. Not getting it in her head that people like my dad. That my mom is not at fault for her inability to convey what she wants to bill collectors.
I had to give up a cat because she claimed to be allergic (not true at all). She makes her life a 1000% more difficult than it needs to be.I have always heard she's been weird and has been a complainer since forever. But I don't know if this is just her personality combined with actual medical stuff or if she's got something else going on.
I had a very similar experience with my own grandmother who died last year. I don't know if I would call it dementia per se, although medically speaking maybe it's an applicable term. In my case (which sounds rather similar to yours) I think it's a combination of stubbornness, the aging process, and the difficulty of coming to terms with it. My grandmother was always very strong-willed an opinionated, and basically always ended up getting her way, even if it was just that her soup wasn't hot enough for her tastes at a restaurant and sent it back to the kitchen 3 times in a row. I think eventually what happened was independent life became harder and harder (her husband died several years earlier) as she grew older. Her memory wasn't what it used to be – forgetting about planned vacations was a common occurrence, and I remember distinctly one time she couldn't find some cash she had hidden and was convinced the maid stole it. It turns out she had just put it somewhere else and forgot.
Her pride was just a big deal to her and she needed to prove that she could still handle herself and get things her way (even when she really couldn't). It also made her really emotionally sensitive. If she felt under-appreciated by anyone (usually mistakenly), she would develop long-standing grudges and throw tantrums like refusing to go on outings with family.
Medical problems probably only compound that. She sometimes had difficulty sleeping for various reasons, and sometimes when I was at her place to visit she would do strange things like come into my room at 4am to empty the trash bin. She also sort of became obsessive. One time I spilled sauce or something, and quickly grabbed a paper towel to wipe it up. When I threw it away in the garbage can she freaked out (like really made a big deal) and pulled it back out, insisting that it was still usable. She folded it a couple of times and tucked it away for later use.
So... it made things really hard. I don't know if I have any advice, but it sounds like it may just be something similar to what I went through. All I know is that probably deep down she is really grateful and proud of her family. The only time my grandmother would show "weakness" was at times when she felt she might die soon. And then her kindness dominated over any other behavior. At times I had some pretty dark thoughts, like thinking maybe it really was her time to go if she was going to act and live the way she did toward the end. But when she let her emotions out it was impossible to be mad or upset.
BTW calling people by the wrong name seems to run in my mom's side of the family. Around relatives, my mom sometimes calls out 3 or 4 different names (even returning to previously said names) before she lands on the right one.
I think it's just too far for me to have a different opinion of my grandmother at this point. Most of my nightmares involve her. In ways I'm not going to describe, but it definitely piles on the feeling of never wanting to be around her. Your situation does sound familiar. I just don't have that side to me to take care of a grown adult. Especially one that just puts out negative vibes all the time. Constantly putting down my mom when she does something new is awful of her. She says she wants to move but again she refuses to take any steps towards that happening. Just a whole lot of venom and resentment.
I'm sure she's having a hard time with her mortality, but she doesn't go talk to shrinks even though she says she wants to and it wouldn't really cost anything. I have no advice to give her because I'm nowhere near that stage in life nor have I had too many people I know die, I'm not religious or very spirtual. shrugs I dunno. Once again I feel like I wish I was the person to deal with her problems. But I can't tell people things I don't mean or believe without it sounding extremely disingenuous.
Moving out, seeing a therapist, etc. likely have to do with pride and really dignity even. Refusing to admit you need help, for example. I don't know if she can live on her own capably, but in my grandmother's case it was also a matter of it being potentially dangerous to be alone, if anything bad happens. But living in a group home is not exactly something people look forward to. I can't speak directly to your situation because I wasn't the one responsible. That would have been hard to deal with. It would have probably made me more bitter than I already was… for what it's worth I hope things get better.
Moving out, seeing a therapist, etc. likely have to do with pride and really dignity even. Refusing to admit you need help, for example. I don't know if she can live on her own capably, but in my grandmother's case it was also a matter of it being potentially dangerous to be alone, if anything bad happens. But living in a group home is not exactly something people look forward to. I can't speak directly to your situation because I wasn't the one responsible. That would have been hard to deal with. It would have probably made me more bitter than I already was… for what it's worth I hope things get better.
Yeah she's probably unable to move now. I just don't like the strain it puts on my parents since they have very busy lives. I'll be moving either this month or next so it removes me from the situation which I'm really needing. I hated that I had to boomerang back, but job stuff has been kicking me around lol.
On a different note. I'm glad my friend is moving down here. She's such a fun bubbly person it's hard to be in a bad mood around her.
Manga related stuff. Not even sure if we can talk about the section, so I've left out anything to do with the series itself.
! After a long long time away from the manga section, I've kind of dipped a bit back in. To be honest I find it really hard to adjust to wild speculation, people adamant about just plain awful/absurd ideas, and a fan base that picks new people to be the definite next crew member at the drop of a hat. I don't mind people being creative, it's just that when they don't sit back and consider what effect it might have on the series….it gets really tedious very quickly.
! Though I'm kind of enjoying just trying to educate rather than flame. It's so new to me lol
Manga related stuff. Not even sure if we can talk about the section, so I've left out anything to do with the series itself.
! After a long long time away from the manga section, I've kind of dipped a bit back in. To be honest I find it really hard to adjust to wild speculation, people adamant about just plain awful/absurd ideas, and a fan base that picks new people to be the definite next crew member at the drop of a hat. I don't mind people being creative, it's just that when they don't sit back and consider what effect it might have on the series….it gets really tedious very quickly.
! Though I'm kind of enjoying just trying to educate rather than flame. It's so new to me lol
Kind of the reason why I'm sort of keeping away. I discuss what I have to in the newest chapter threads but realy, I've been in this fandom for so long that I very rarely find a topic that isn't completely unecessary and was not discussed to death ages ago.
@No:
Kind of the reason why I'm sort of keeping away. I discuss what I have to in the newest chapter threads but realy, I've been in this fandom for so long that I very rarely find a topic that isn't completely unecessary and was not discussed to death ages ago.
the thing is I've been getting incredibly rusty with the series in general. I can't remember the last time I went back and read an arc again, or sourced out information that could be tied in with recent chapters. I guess what I'm saying is why be at this site if I'm just part of the furniture. I don't want to get old and gain that musty smell. I need to breathe new life into my reasoning for being here, and try to regain the interest I had in the place when I first discovered it.
the thing is I've been getting incredibly rusty with the series in general. I can't remember the last time I went back and read an arc again, or sourced out information that could be tied in with recent chapters. I guess what I'm saying is why be at this site if I'm just part of the furniture. I don't want to get old and gain that musty smell. I need to breathe new life into my reasoning for being here, and try to regain the interest I had in the place when I first discovered it.
I don't reread arcs, or rather I haven't in years but there's no reason I wouldn't want to, except that I use to time to read other series, at least in theory, that people badger me to :P
I don't think it really matters if you're big into the series or not in relation to being a member here. I'd like to think that AP is bigger than that which, if it wasn't, my ass wouldn't still be here.
It's nice to want and try to retrace your steps and re-invigorate yourself but if it's just to justify whether or not you still belong here, I'd think you're going about it in the wrong way. Any long-time member here worth their salt would say they're here for the friendships forged rather than the "oh so invigorating" discussions in the manga section.
Hey, according to Kenny, I don't even read One Piece.
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I don't really think of this place as an OP forum
@wolfwoof:
I don't really think of this place as an OP forum
Do you just consider it a forum?
Personally, I consider this forum a place where I can chat with my intellectual equals.
….....Ah, who am I kidding? It's a place where I can chat with people far more intellectual than me, but are still kind enough to include me anyway.
And we all happen to like a rubber pirate comic.
You seen that King Punch, son?
Dizaaam!
Do you just consider it a forum?
Y'know that sitcom where a guy walks into his favorite bar and everybody is just like hi Norm
It's like that
@wolfwoof:
I don't really think of this place as an OP forum
This was a One Piece forum?
I just come here for the media/general discussion threads.
I go to a different site for my actual chapter discussion.
Confession: I sometimes visit the manga section just to find well written posts that coincide with my opinion on the newest chapter,
and i copy/paste it onto the other site to make myself seem more eloquent. >_>
@wolfwoof:
Y'know that sitcom where a guy walks into his favorite bar and everybody is just like hi Norm
It's like that
It is a lot like Cheers. lol.
The people everyone knows and are happy to see.
The people who talk like they are super knowledgeable but have all their facts wrong.
The mods trying to stay sane as their deal with the users and their shenanigans.
Yup, Cheer.
Manga related stuff. Not even sure if we can talk about the section, so I've left out anything to do with the series itself.
! After a long long time away from the manga section, I've kind of dipped a bit back in. To be honest I find it really hard to adjust to wild speculation, people adamant about just plain awful/absurd ideas, and a fan base that picks new people to be the definite next crew member at the drop of a hat. I don't mind people being creative, it's just that when they don't sit back and consider what effect it might have on the series….it gets really tedious very quickly.
! Though I'm kind of enjoying just trying to educate rather than flame. It's so new to me lol
Really what I do is just read certain people's posts. It's like say there's this… uhh... BAKE SALE where they normally give out brown glued together thumbtacks that sort of LOOK like brownies instead of brownies. It's just a really weird bake sale and you're like, but what effects will this have long-term on my body, this doesn't make any sense, etc. But they keep insisting. But every once in a while... an actual brownie presents itself and is delicious. That's what finding certain good posts is like in there. Just need to have a good filter, just like for certain (most!) other forums.
It is a lot like Cheers. lol.
The people everyone knows and are happy to see.
The people who talk like they are super knowledgeable but have all their facts wrong.
The mods trying to stay sane as their deal with the users and their shenanigans.Yup, Cheer.
I used to be the quirky foreigner character without a really tangible grip on the English language
But since i like to think that i've managed to up myself to passable English i'm currently without a character arc
Hiroy is that guy at the end of the bar who newcomers are a little wary of but the regulars go oh that's just roy he's harmless
This one time, I saw Hiroy eviscerate a bear using his bare hands…
And then feed the bear to hungry children.~
Speaking of bears, I confess I still want to see Hiroy draw a comic about that bear asking for change to ride the bus.
Speaking of animals taking the bus…http://www.teampwnicorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Deer-Takes-The-Bus.gif
To be honest, the one reason I stay in this forum is not One Piece. I still like it and read it religiously but talking about it with people here is mostly angering.
At this point I mostly focus on the gaming threads and this one, which is where I'm always bound to see familiar faces having conversations that elsewhere would get lost under piles of useless, boring posts. There's a level of maturity and quirkiness no other website I've been to has offered.
I used to actively fight against the cerebus theory back when I posted in the manga section regularly. I hope that God awful theory has finally been put to rest.
I guess I should return and fight against the "Sanji gon' get the mera mera!" next.
@Uncle:
I used to actively fight against the cerebus theory back when I posted in the manga section regularly. I hope that God awful theory has finally been put to rest.
It's still around, but it's lost a lot of credence since Blackbeard was shown with a claw weapon.
The arlong park bake sale lol
Where's my chocolate chip tier posters damnit.
speaking of animals taking human transport, I love how in Russia, the dogs know how to take the train.
@Uncle:
Oh, and Jinbe is going to die.
To be fair he said it like two or three times during the war didn't he ?
Jinbei is currently rotating on a spit being glazed with all the tears of let down next nakama theorists by big mom.
@wolfwoof:
I used to be the quirky foreigner character without a really tangible grip on the English language
I guess that makes me an unpaid background character :(
You could be one of those guys who plays a different new character every week.
Bustermom is due for a plot where kenny can't muster up the courage to tell her that he dropped out of college and gets his friends to pretend to be a college class for her visit.
Hilarity ensues during professor Zephos "class"
@wolfwoof:
You could be one of those guys who plays a different new character every week.
Bustermom is due for a plot where kenny can't muster up the courage to tell her that he dropped out of college and gets his friends to pretend to be a college class for her visit.
Hilarity ensues during professor Zephos "class"
Naw we have enough people that sockpuppet and create new accounts every month after they're blocked by too many people.
However that table by the Stairs that often has 1 well dressed bloke and 2 women is a good place for me >.>
I used to pretend to foreign in classes that were otherwise boring, accent and everything. Foolish Americans couldn't tell the difference between fake and genuine.
