Does Jojo's Bizarre Adventure count? It's running in Ultra Jump right now.
Hunter x Hunter II
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@Friend:
Alright time for some defence. Give me a shounen currently running in jump, NOT One Piece, that has the emotional impact and originality of Hunter X Hunter. Go.
That's not a huge pool of series to work with, dude.
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Fine, ongoing shounen in general. If you have any good ideas I might start reading. I only read maybe half of what is in shounen jump. Some of it is terribly generic.
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Exactly. I'm not saying the jokes should stop. I know some times he turns in scribbles for his weekly releases. I know recently he didn't clean up the rough last few chapters he put out. I have absolutely no idea why he's allowed to pull the things he pulls. But as far as the tankobon releases go, outside of the ending of GI and the beginning of CA, the series looks virtually the same from beginning to end with some beautiful stuff in the CA arc
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@Friend:
Alright time for some defence. Give me a shounen currently running in jump, NOT One Piece, that has the emotional impact and originality of Hunter X Hunter. Go.
There's no such shonen, bro!! Fistbump
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Again let me reiterate. It doesnt catch me by surprise that Togashi is insulted. It's the notion that the art quality in HXH decreased over time, that argument surprises me. As Gillian Seed's example shows, even in the very first arc you had pages that weren't sketch-bad, but they were very plain. You get pages like that throughout the series. As far legitimate sketch chapters, they are few and far between
I am NOT defending Togashi here. I just so often see this notion around the net that the art "BECAME" bad in Chimera Ant. And I just scratch my head and wonder if I'm reading the same story everyone else is. CA has some of the best art the series offers, and if you're reading the volumes you dont get much of that sparsely detailed stuff that unfortunately Jump puts up with
I'm all for griping about poor art in HXH. But the art never became poor as the series progressed. The art has consistently from the very beginning been a mixed bag. This concept that pre-chimera ant we had a steady flow of consistently passable art but things changed when CA hit is wrong
For every page like the one Gillian Seed posted, you get a page like this:
If you want to criticize Togashi over something valid, griping about the hiatus issue holds more water than this exaggerated notion that HXH has been serializing nothing but sketches over it's 300 chapters and 15 years of serialization.
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Yeah, no shonen in Jump comes to mind besides One Piece. Outside of Jump, I'd say Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, but that's all.
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If I see someone criticizing HxH battles, I will go crazy though.
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I am NOT defending Togashi here. I just so often see this notion around the net that the art "BECAME" bad in Chimera Ant. And I just scratch my head and wonder if I'm reading the same story everyone else is. CA has some of the best art the series offers, and if you're reading the volumes you dont get much of that sparsely detailed stuff that unfortunately Jump puts up with
Most people who read it don't get the Tankobon because pirates only care about what comes first and fastest, so they read it when they see the sketchiness and base their entire opinions on that. Anyone claiming that the overall quality of Togashi's art when he actually puts effort in is poor doesn't know what they're talking about… but I don't see anyone doing that here... like at all...
I'm all for griping about poor art in HXH. But the art never became poor as the series progressed. The art has consistently from the very beginning been a mixed bag. This concept that pre-chimera ant we had a steady flow of consistently passable art but things changed when CA hit is wrong
If you want to criticize Togashi over something valid, griping about the hiatus issue holds more water than this exaggerated notion that HXH has been serializing nothing but sketches over it's 300 chapters and 15 years of serialization.
You're the only one posing that exaggerated argument tho… I and others in this thread who are giving him crap are not doing so because we think he never fixes the sketchiness, it's that the sketchiness happens at all. Honestly, seriously, I really think the man has a serious case of the lazy. Because usually when someone takes long breaks between producing something, that just gives them more time to get the details right and make sure the art is pretty. I mean, Kouta Hirano was always an extremely lazy Manga author who sometimes turned in short chapters, but the art always looked [HELLSING_V08_CH8_02_03.png"]like this](http://www.call-to-arms.net/images/[BK) consistently and without fail. Even in the magazine, we NEVER got a scribbly chapter. Togashi is literally the only author who does this ever. Even if he fixes it later, the point some of us are trying to make is, he shouldn't have to in the first place.
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Okay, I guess I understand this "scribble avatar" thing now… I assume Togashi isn't very liked?
You see all the stuff that goes down in the manga section whenever Oda's on a break?All the rage,all the whining,all the impatience,all the flawed bussiness models?
Now imagine if he routinely went on hiatuses that last MANY MONTHS.Like,this time,it has been a goddamn year since we've had the last chapter and he isn't showing signs of getting off his ass anytime soon.
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And still,we also love him.Because whenever he does work,that man churns out gold of a shonen manga.
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He gets so much flack because, to my knowledge, Togashi is the only author who does this.
Oh absolutely not.
There's a bunch of people who publish rough sketch uncompleted art on magazines, at the same level as Togashi.
Just not on Jump. And they usually fix it on tanks of course.The most recent chapter of Historie was mostly pencil scribbles lol
@Friend:
Fine, ongoing shounen in general. If you have any good ideas I might start reading. I only read maybe half of what is in shounen jump. Some of it is terribly generic.
Shingeki no Kyojin.
Magi is a good choice as well.Fullmetal Alchemist trumps pretty much all, and the only reason why that's "finished" and HxH is "ongoing" is because Togashi is a lazy fuck.
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I remember an issue of Jump SQ last year that was weird because several mangaka handed in chapters with rough sketches at the same time. People jokingly speculated that the Jump SQ mangakas must have had a party, got hungover and missed their deadlines.
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Does anyone know, how the current hiatus compares against his others length-wise? As far as i know, his longest was something like 20 months long, so this one has still some time to go, until he beats that. But I thought that usual after one year even togashi finds slowly some new interest in his manga.
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The upside is if you start reading Hunter RIGHT NOW, the hiatus ends on an ending, rather than a cliffhanger for once.
The sad part is, if it was ongoing, the storytelling would rival OP.
But I don't get the "He just stopped caring about the art" argument.
That's from the TANKOBON. THE FINAL RELEASE. THE "FIXED" ART.
That's why its become a joke and a meme. If it was just anohter "fixed later" chapter it wouldn't be a thing. But… it's pretty much the final word in shorthand for the problems.
The excuse of "he cleans the art up for the trade" or "he spends the hiatuses remastering the old stuff" no longer works. It barely did before, but it really doesn't work now.
If you want to criticize Togashi over something valid, griping about the hiatus issue holds more water than this exaggerated notion that HXH has been serializing nothing but sketches over it's 300 chapters and 15 years of serialization.
6 years of serialization. 7 if you're feeling generous. He does not get credit for 15 years of serialization.
He started 7 months after One Piece and 20 months before Naruto, and 8 years before Fairy Tail. They're on chapters 701, 623, and 323.
THE SERIES THAT STARTED EIGHT YEARS LATER has as many chapters as he does. (And has never done scribble art) All his peers have twice as many.
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It's affecting the story too. I might have the unpopular opinion but I honestly feel the last two arcs had terribly anti-climactic endings.
My issues with Togashi's poor handling of the themes of the ant arc (imo) aside, the way the the arc felt like it ended on a whimper rather than a bang. The King was as strong as ever, no one was around left to beat him, the good guys had played all their cards, oh wait no, he was actually a dead man walking all along, let's just kill him off and off-screen kill both his lieutenants while we're at it.
It's even more blatant with the election arc where it spent the entire arc foreshadowing a tragic ending, building up a way to save Gon with a huge cost, carefully constructing Alluka's abilities so that they're fair and balanced, oh wait no, there's a loophole where she can heal anyone with zero cost. All that buildup on how risky and dangerous this plan was? There was never any risk at all. Let's just heal Gon with no cost despite all that drama about him giving up everything he could have been. And all that emotional turmoil and character development he had? Let's flush that down the toilet too by revealing that Kaito was secretly alive all along because he somehow escaped into a girl's bodywith an ability that was never foreshadowed and let's have Gon reunite with him again in the most boring, rushed, anti-climactic manner possible in a chapter (that was 50% meaningless pseudophilosophical rambling by a koala) which even most die hard Hunter fans couldn't defend.
It just feels so deliberate. All that painstaking work at setting up the narrative and they're unceremoniously resolved in a couple of chapters. Like he stopped caring about the arc and wanted to move it along. Blegh.
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I like that the ants were ultimately beaten by the poison plan, its an interesting twist to shonen… but it really, REALLY makes all the fights beforehand feel pretty meaningless... why didn't they just... drop a bomb from the sky then, if their real plan was just a nuke anyway. Just plop a bomb down in the middle of their food supply, since it was a super contagious spreading disease thing... use it the way we take care of real ants. Just drop the poison all around the perimiter (implanted in some fodder hapless civilians) and let them bring it in. I know, they had no idea just how strong the ants actually were, but...
And if it was an ongoing series I'd be okay with the Alluka freebie reveal, because that's starting the Killua vs. his family story in full force and making him seperate from Gon and that's interesting... and going right into that would be interesting, a consequence for the free out. But since the story when it ever comes back will presumably keep following Gon instead, it could be anywhere from 2 years to never before we even see Killua again (let alone Kurapika's 10 year dangling plot) its harder to accept the cheat ending. Heck, its already been a year since that plot thread got no development, so...
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I don't think I can really accept the freebie even with that consequence fully explored. Togashi spent many chapters of the arc dedicated to building up the rules and risks and restrictions of Alluka's ability. I was really having a good time reading it because he was doing what I thought was the impossible and bringing back Gon in a way that doesn't negate the drama and sacrifice his power up had. Then he subverts all that with a cheat and it just seems to spit on the face of the Nen system as a whole which is one of the most well written power systems I've ever read. Nen is all about consequences, checks and balances, give and take, equivalent exchange. And then he just injects this loophole where you get unlimited access of the power consequence free. Yeah there's the family thing (if we ever get into it) but that's really an external factor that has nothing to do with the supposedly inherent balance Nen is supposed to have.
I mean all that buildup and he negates that drama and sacrifice anyway. And then the final nail in that coffin is that we find out that Kaito is secretly alive anyway in the body of a teenage girl. Like what the hell?
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@RobbyBevard:
I like that the ants were ultimately beaten by the poison plan, its an interesting twist to shonen… but it really, REALLY makes all the fights beforehand feel pretty meaningless... why didn't they just... drop a bomb from the sky then, if their real plan was just a nuke anyway. Just plop a bomb down in the middle of their food supply, since it was a super contagious spreading disease thing... use it the way we take care of real ants. Just drop the poison all around the perimiter (implanted in some fodder hapless civilians) and let them bring it in. I know, they had no idea just how strong the ants actually were, but...
Wasn't it that Netero wanted to have some fun and fight the King? Doesn't that also explain why he only brought two, relatively mid-level hunters with him as well(instead of the Zodiacs)? To keep it a fun challenge? I thought the rose bomb was just a fail safe.
At least, this is what I remeber being implied/how I interpreted it. I recall it being further implied when Netero's personality was expanded upon in the Election arc.
Actually, it has been a while since I read, so I may be confused.
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it's been a while since I read it as well, but I recall the reason they didn't just nuke it from the sky was twofold -
1. there were citizens around in the vicinity, they didn't want to just kill them all
2. Netero is a cocky ass who was itching for a real fight
also now that I think about it, if they dropped something, wouldn't Pitou have been able to sense it, and intercept the missile or something?
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I was too lazy too celebrate for the actual day… but here we go. New avatar, honoring Togashi!
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@Thousand:
Togashi spent many chapters of the arc dedicated to building up the rules and risks and restrictions of Alluka's ability. …. Then he subverts all that with a cheat and it just seems to spit on the face of the Nen system......
I had a discussion about exactly the same some months ago here. I could never understand, why most HxH readers were contend with the resolution of the alluka subplot. It was like a giant slap in the face for all the chapters explaining the complicated rules of her ability and for the nen system in general, as you have pointed out.
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I never got why they only brought a tiny team of hunters (some of which were inexperienced) to fight this potentially world destroying threat. Surely you would mobilise everyone you could.
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Lol fair enough guys :p
I see what you are saying, I misunderstood the general complaint. That's my fault, I will do better at keeping up with the conversations hereI wasn't trying to be a blind defender. I have a lot of frustration with HXH. The hiatuses bother me, not so much that they happen, but that other mangaka could never get away with such flexibility and I think if they were allowed a bit more flexibility the consumers would benefit from getting better stories.
For example, I adore part 1 of Naruto, I like it even more than HXH and OP at their very best (the rescue Sasuke arc is amazing to me, the chess-like fights, the comaradarie <3). That hospital roof scene where Kakashi breaks up the fight between Naruto and Sasuke, Gaara vs Lee, etc. I think part 1 of Naruto is a very well done story. It drives me crazy reading Naruto these days. The story feels emotionless and hollow. I feel a combination of not being able to take a long hiatus to plan the story and a push from editorial to keep the story running longer than it should (I don't know if thats whats happened, just theorizing) are two huge reasons why Naruto part 2 has become so utterly average at best
If Kishimoto had been allowed to take a year or so break in between the Naruto time skip, like Togashi is allowed, perhaps Naruto may have stayed a consistently good story. Who knows?
So the HXH hiatuses definitely bother me. However HXH has never really had an average arc. I think it's because of the hiatuses Togashi is allowed to take. Not trying to put down OP but I think the general vibe around the internet is that the Mermaid Island arc was pretty boring and outside of the plot driving aspects that unfolded near the end, Punk Hazard's story wasn't as good as the pre-time skip arcs we were accustomed to in OP.
OP always has gorgeous art without fail, it tells an incredible story, has a very rich world full of mystery and story potential, it's the king of Shonen, I'm not putting it down. I'm just trying to explain a point. HXH has never had a sub-par arc, unlike a lot of the bigger Shonen series (Naruto, Bleach, etc, even the king; OP)
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If Kishimoto had been allowed to take a year or so break in between the Naruto time skip, like Togashi is allowed, perhaps Naruto may have stayed a consistently good story. Who knows?
So the HXH hiatuses definitely bother me. However HXH has never really had an average arc. I think it's because of the hiatuses Togashi is allowed to take. Not trying to put down OP but I think the general vibe around the internet is that the Mermaid Island arc was pretty boring and outside of the plot driving aspects that unfolded near the end, Punk Hazard's story wasn't as good as the pre-time skip arcs we were accustomed to in OP.
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Hey Guys I just realized something
Hunter Hunter is awesome because Togashi gets to take all those breaks
Maybe we should have all mangaka do jack shit all year long
Weekly manga are evil
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Depending on who you ask,Heaven's Arena and even Greed Island aren't all that hot.
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I was too lazy too celebrate for the actual day… but here we go. New avatar, honoring Togashi!
Yeah, I was unfortunately on vacation and missed it. Joining in!
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Hey Guys I just realized something
Hunter Hunter is awesome because Togashi gets to take all those breaks
Maybe we should have all mangaka do jack shit all year long
Weekly manga are evil
That's not what I'm suggesting :p
But I do think a break (It could be four weeks, or something else) every other year, or even every year would probably be great for story planning and provide for better stories :)
Berserk seems to be the most acclaimed out of any fantasy manga (among both shonen and seinen(s/p?) manga) and that series writes at it's own pace.
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HXHAlex, I want to listen to your arguments, I really do, but there's just something missing.
Could you make your avatar scribbly? I think that may help you in your conquest.
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Berserk does not take 12 month breaks.
Berserk does not compromise on art.
Miura is pretty much working around the clock all year long.How many times are we going to repeat this until you actually get it.
"Togashi write bettah because he has a YEAR FUCKING LONG VACATIONS between ten weeks of working"
Seriously, you're gonna run with this? Because really, that sounds like giving Togashi blowjobs. -
HXHAlex, I want to listen to your arguments, I really do, but there's just something missing.
Could you make your avatar scribbly? I think that may help you in your conquest.
Yes. Im too lazy but I will work on scribble-fying my icon lol
Berserk does not take 12 month breaks.
Berserk does not compromise on art.
Miura is pretty much working around the clock all year long.How many times are we going to repeat this until you actually GET it.
Get what? I know the hiatuses are ridiculous. I conceded from the very beginning that Togashi's art lacks. I just expressed my view that HXH's art was always a mixed bag, not something that became progressively worse as the series pressed on, which was what I thought most people here were implying and I said it was my fault for not following the discussion better to see what people were saying. I'm also not suggesting every mangaka take a year long hiatus every other year :p
I don't think Togashi needed 12 month breaks in between the last 50 or so chapters of the CA arc to plan out how he wanted to end it. But he pulled off a very satisfactory ending to a very long arc. It went from being seen as the weakest arc in the series to arguably the best by the time it finished.
If other long running manga like Naruto and Bleach were as good today as they were during their golden years, I wouldn't think occasional hiatuses could potentially help these long running stories. But neither Naruto or Bleach are anywhere as good as they were in their prime. While the plot quality of HXH is indeed as still good today as it was at any other point of it's serialization. What's the difference? I don't know, but looking at the situation I do know that Togashi is allowed breaks. But maybe that isn't why HXH is so good? Maybe it is just that Togashi is a very gifted writer?
I'm not arguing for year-long hiatuses, but I don't think an occasional month off for goal setting and plot drafting would hurt series' that will be having 7+ years of serialization
I don't know anything about writing or the life of a mangaka so just take my 2 cents for whatever its worth :p
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You defend Togashi at every corner with various reasons, but I just don't think he deserves having a religious apologist.
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You defend Togashi at every corner with various reasons, but I just don't think he deserves having a religious apologist.
How? He doesn't spend all of those 12 month breaks planning his stories. I know that. A mangaka with more drive could benefit from a few weeks off to get his house in order, while the lazier Togashi takes something amazing like a year hiatus and probably works on his story and the actual art for a small amount of time that break encompasses
And he has some really bad art some times. I'm not denying that
I'm not trying to be argumentative or disagreeable. I'm being critical of Togashi as well. I just feel like you only acknowledge certain things I say to paint me as a Togashi apologist. Like putting words in my mouth that all mangaka should gets breaks that last a year. I never said that. I agree with you guys that the hiatuses are too long and too frequent. I agree that he turns in inexcusable art for SJ publishing. I just felt that arguing his art for HXH decreased over time was a bad argument. Someone pointed out that no one here was saying that and I acknowledged that I should have been keeping track of the discussion going on here better. And I do think an occasional hiatus for plotting would work wonders for alot of these 10+ years running franchises
This forum is so silly. Constant insults and criticism towards OP or Oda in the weekly OP chapter threads would garner someone the reputation of a troll and they'd likely be banned. However for every other series here that has a thread for discussion, if you aren't being negative towards that series, you arent "doing it right" and are labeled a fanboy for that series. lol
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Ahhh Togashi…such wasted talent. If only it had gone to someone DILIGENT like say...Mashima, I'd imagine we'd pretty much have a kickass comic in our hands that comes out regularly. Instead we have a lousy joker that constantly trolls Jump by shoving the same threat over and over while claiming to be sick and at the same time attend Comiket and play video games regularly. Such a waste of talent...that is the true insult here.
Heck, I'd love Togashi's talent to go someone more naive and dedicated like Horikoshi or any greenhorn manga artist that is struggling to survive in Jump, but simply...sucks at writing a good narrative/universe. Instead, we have to wait for this bum to finally get off his ass and work "when he feels like it" rather than you know...maybe having some assistants to help with the progress? Waste of talent...ugh
Horikoshi with Togashi's writing/world creating talent...omg...
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I'm not trying to be argumentative or disagreeable. I'm being critical of Togashi as well. I just feel like you only acknowledge certain things I say to paint me as a Togashi apologist. Like putting words in my mouth that all mangaka should gets breaks that last a year.
Oh? You suggesting Naruto would be written better if Kishi took more breaks is actually not what you said? Oh ok.
How about the time you tried to blatantly lie and make up "oh but Togashi worked a full year!" when it was actually a full year within a two year time-frame, of which the other half were all breaks?Sure. I'm throwing shit in your mouth, and totally not you making things up. Yeah, ok.
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Oh? You suggesting Naruto would be written better if Kishi took more breaks is actually not what you said? Oh ok.
How about the time you tried to blatantly lie and make up "oh but Togashi worked a full year!" when it was actually a full year within a two year time-frame, of which the other half were all breaks?Sure. I'm throwing shit in your mouth, and totally not you making things up. Yeah, ok.
Wow you sound so defensive. I'm sorry for striking a nerve. Yes, I am saying Naruto would be a better product if Kishi had (1) taken some breaks to work on a direction and ending for the series and (2) editorial didn't push for it to be so long. I don't know if editorial has pushed for the series to last so long. I just suspect that is what has happened. And I can't prove that Naruto would be better had Kishi taken breaks, it's just my opinion. I never said mangaka should be allowed to take 12 month breaks
I don't remember the other incident you are referring to (me saying Togashi worked straight through a whole year). Thats funny you can recall my past posts while I have no clue who you are what you've said in the past.
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I sound defensive?
What?
What exactly am I defending?
You're the one that keeps making things up, then backtracking saying "that's not what I meant don't put things in my mouth".
By definition you are the defender. I am the accuser. You are defending both your own inconsistency as well as Togashi.Dude. WTF.
Oh, just so you don't go editing things out, I've quoted you here.
@HXHAlex:It drives me crazy reading Naruto these days. The story feels emotionless and hollow. I feel a combination of not being able to take a long hiatus to plan the story and a push from editorial to keep the story running longer than it should (I don't know if thats whats happened, just theorizing) are two huge reasons why Naruto part 2 has become so utterly average at best
If Kishimoto had been allowed to take a year or so break in between the Naruto time skip, like Togashi is allowed, perhaps Naruto may have stayed a consistently good story. Who knows?
HXH has never had a sub-par arc, unlike a lot of the bigger Shonen series (Naruto, Bleach, etc, even the king; OP)
Why did I say you defend Togashi at every corner?
Because that's exactly what you do every single time without fail. I mean, go read this entire thread dude. -
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It drives me crazy reading Naruto these days. The story feels emotionless and hollow. I feel a combination of not being able to take a long hiatus to plan the story and a push from editorial to keep the story running longer than it should (I don't know if thats whats happened, just theorizing) are two huge reasons why Naruto part 2 has become so utterly average at best
If Kishimoto had been allowed to take a year or so break in between the Naruto time skip, like Togashi is allowed, perhaps Naruto may have stayed a consistently good story. Who knows?
HXH has never had a sub-par arc, unlike a lot of the bigger Shonen series (Naruto, Bleach, etc, even the king; OP)Pfft….a year hiatus wouldn't make Naruto any better. Kishi is obviously sick of his serie but knows he wouldn't be able to emulate Naruto's success again so he is obviously stalling. What the hell does this have to do with Togashi? We know he's spending most of this time on "vacation/retirement" mode. His story isn't getting any better from it.
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The last two episode were pretty awesome. They are 4 episodes until the beginning of the Chimera Ant Arc right ?
One another note, I can't believe I missed the awesomeness of the Togashi Day, shame on me ! Good thing I'm too lazy to make a scribbly avatar like most of you, at least I'm in the spirit of the day… -
@Rolor:
The last two episode were pretty awesome. They are 4 episodes until the beginning of the Chimera Ant Arc right ?
One another note, I can't believe I missed the awesomeness of the Togashi Day, shame on me ! Good thing I'm too lazy to make a scribbly avatar like most of you, at least I'm in the spirit of the day…You still can. Togashi day doesn't stop untill the hiatus ends^^
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I don't think Togashi needed 12 month breaks in between the last 50 or so chapters of the CA arc to plan out how he wanted to end it.
If you want to say the last 10 chapters of the CA arc, that was a year break. If you want to say 50, then that was over the course of 4 or 5 years.
But he pulled off a very satisfactory ending to a very long arc. It went from being seen as the weakest arc in the series to arguably the best by the time it finished.
Given that its by far the longest arc, and about 1/3 of the entire series, the sheer amount of chapters in it doesn't make that difficult.
If other long running manga like Naruto and Bleach were as good today as they were during their golden years, I wouldn't think occasional hiatuses could potentially help these long running stories.
Writers don;t JUST think of the next chapter ahead of them. They tend to plan for the long term, figure out stuff way in advance. Yes, the format of a weekly serial means their priority goes to the next week and the specifics, but no author only has 7 days to figure out the next chapter… they have however many months or years they're working on an arc to figure out the general flow and pace of a story. Yes, the details may fluctuate from week to week or due to fan reactions, but the overall plan and writing is generally there in advance. For instance, Oda had planned out Brook and Laboon 12 years before they appeared, before the series even started!
Besides that, Togashi had the poison thing set up before his previous break, so its not like he even thought of that ending during his previous year off.
But neither Naruto or Bleach are anywhere as good as they were in their prime.
Because Kishimoto was ready for the series to end before part 2 even started, but keeps stretching it for the money, (and he DID take an extended break between part 1 and 2.) while Kubo actually DOES apparently make up everything week by week, which says something about his writing.
But OP keeps its quality high… while Oda takes time out to make the movies in his weeks off and only sleeps three hours a day! Negima kept its high until the last chapters (though it generally only had 3 chapters a month). Full Metal Alchemist was quality throughout its run. Bakuman was excellent for its entire run and only missed a week. Rumiko Takahasi at one point did TWO SERIES A WEEK and kept her quality up. Lone Wolf and Cub was excellent throughout its run. Koche Kame hasn't missed a chapter in FORTY YEARS. Tezuka... was a god of hard work, no fair comparing anyone to him.
I can pull up lists and rattle off hundreds of long running series that kept their schedule AND quality up.
While the plot quality of HXH is indeed as still good today as it was at any other point of it's serialization.
Except for the dues ex machina magic genie breaking of nen rules and scribble art.
What's the difference? I don't know, but looking at the situation I do know that Togashi is allowed breaks. But maybe that isn't why HXH is so good? Maybe it is just that Togashi is a very gifted writer?
That takes upwards of two years to 2 months writing?
I'm not arguing for year-long hiatuses, but I don't think an occasional month off for goal setting and plot drafting would hurt series' that will be having 7+ years of serialization
And if he just took a scheduled month off ocassionally, NO ONE would have a problem with that. No one had a problem with Negima's wacky publishing schedule because you could see the work in there, and no one has a problem with Berserk's either.
"I'm going to do 40 chapters a year, but I'm taking June and December off every year." Well, that sucks, but, okay, that's fine. We already accept that Oda takes off about 6 weeks out of the year (of course, he's making movies or he's sick or working on side projects or doing covers and SBS material…), we'd be fine with cutting Togashi SOME slack if he was all predictable or if the breaks really showed in his work.
If his hiatuses were SCHEDULED, predictable, had a rhyme or reason, they'd be more acceptable. Instead they're just... whenever he feels like it and random.
I don't know anything about writing or the life of a mangaka so just take my 2 cents for whatever its worth :p
You clearly don't.
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Togashi is a good writer, and his talent for manga is not in question. Never dismissed that.
But as a professional manga artist he ranks somewhere between the gutter and the toilet.A writer's slump is something you get between published works.
It's not something that takes up 80% of your career. Anyone who's going on happily off to have fun while claiming they just need that much time to make "mah masterpiece" is full of shit so high it should be pouring out of their mouth. -
JUST between a gutter and toilet? You're giving him too much credit.
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To Togashi's credit, he manages to generate more discussion with nothing than some mangakas can with fifty chapters.
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C'mon guys, why all the hostility?
I get you think what he's saying is stupid, but is dogpiling really necessary? >_>
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It's not that big of a deal. Many of the greatest artists in history were complete douches. It's possible to appreciate fine art without appreciating the douchiness of its origin.
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I wasn't talking about Togashi, though.
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This forum is so silly. Constant insults and criticism towards OP or Oda in the weekly OP chapter threads would garner someone the reputation of a troll and they'd likely be banned. However for every other series here that has a thread for discussion, if you aren't being negative towards that series, you arent "doing it right" and are labeled a fanboy for that series. lol
Any proof of this? I personally haven't seen this but perhaps I missed something and I am genuinely curious if its true and if you could provide actual proof of this. I mean hell there is an entire thread dedicated to criticizing One piece so I really don't get what you mean by this.
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I remember when I was lurking in OP threads during the Mermaid arc it seemed users were frustrated and getting defensive with the growing voice that the arc wasn't very good. The sheer fact that OP sets aside a dedicated thread for complaining denotes that they want the complaining done in that spot.
I'm not saying their threads dedicated to chapter releases don't allow complaining. But you can't tell that if every week I was showing up saying things like "Yup here we go, another boring chapter of Sanji and Nami running around these tunnels with these drugged up kids. Is this arc ever going anywhere?" or "Oda's generic 'every strawhat needs to have some sort of comment on this situation that reflects their personality gimmic' dialogue is getting really old", that I wouldn't be labeled as a troll and likely eventually be banned for trolling
Where as in this thread you get in trouble if you disagree with the largely negative vibes about the series this thread is for.
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Dunno man,Fishman island gets tons of panning throughout the entire forum.It even got that in the Fairy Tail thread of all places.