Formation Y… I like your point, but it does not really matter now considering that Wano was burned down at the same time as the Punk Hazard arc, does it?
Until it says it hasn't been burned down, you can't say it hasn't. Can't wait to see how Kinemon reacts.
How do you feel about One Piece having a Tournament Arc?
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@nodensuke:
Your logic is astounding :getlost:.. You seem to have the greatest understanding of all things concerning Wano and Swordsmen in general, and from what I've seen of your posts it's impossible to debate such things with you. I don't understand why anyone bothers.
I'm going with the portrayal and characters there and my crystal ball says Zoro will get defeated easily since he's piss weak. @King:
LMAO. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Your whole argument is based on speculation that doesn't have any evidence or even hints. Mihawk is stated to be the "World's Greatest Swordsman". This was stated multiple times in the manga and so far nothing has happened to prove it wrong, so if you try to question it based on fanfiction, then it's definitely bullshit. That gif is way more appropriate for your own post.
Just like you think Mihawk has been to Wano which is speculation and no evidence. If you think that's true then you believe Sentomaru has better defense than Yonkous/Admirals since it's the "Greatest in the World". @Bucephalus:
Formation Y… I like your point, but it does not really matter now considering that Wano was burned down at the same time as the Punk Hazard arc, does it? Until it says it hasn't been burned down, you can't say it hasn't. Can't wait to see how Kinemon reacts.
Wano hasn't been explained yet so where you're getting from info no idea.
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Me, personally?
I know it's a common element in shonen manga, but I simply feel Oda doesn't need to add it in to the story. The Davy Back Fight, albeit not a traditional tournment in the sense of plain fighting match-ups and advancement, was a tournament of sorts….three wacky events that had two pirate crews fighting for the right to keep their crewmates. And I loved it.
Plus One Piece isn't about fighting, so while a tournament would fit....Dragon Ball, for instance, I don't think it'd fit here very well.
But if Oda honestly wants to do one for this recent arc, or in the future, then I trust in him to make it wacky, fun, and with his own spin on things.
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I thought I'd seen the worst with Foxy's case of Kizaru being the only admiral, but this Formation dude simply CAN'T be serious…..
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@Formation:
Just like you think Mihawk has been to Wano which is speculation and no evidence. If you think that's true then you believe Sentomaru has better defense than Yonkous/Admirals since it's the "Greatest in the World".
I never said Mihawk has been to Wano, however, that has no relevance. There's absolutely no evidence right now that there's somebody in Wano who's stronger than Mihawk.
The difference between Sentoumaru and Mihawk is that the latter is acknowledged by many other characters as the "World's Greatest" while Sentoumaru was pretty much boasting about himself.
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So let's see. We have an island regarded by the New World as the home of Samurai, a classification of swordsmen, and yet they (as in the government, local pirates, almost all experienced swordsman like Vista) still refer to Mihawk as the strongest swordsman in the world. Why? Because the Wano Samurai are, until further evidence proves otherwise, less skilled in swordsmanship than Mihawk.
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@Formation:
Gibberish
May we suggest re-reading the manga? like from the beginning? to try to get at least a subtle hint of how the OP world works? Why would a character who's been ultra hyped since east-blue, is more than obvious end-game material, and who holds the title of world's strongest swordsman, not be the worlds strongest swordsman? he holds a legendary sword and is acknowledged by nearly every other high tier character…
as for buce, he's using your twisted sense of reasoning to show you you're spouting bullshit, but you just sailed way over it and never noticed.
Welcome to Arlong Park.
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@Formation:
I'm going with the portrayal and characters there and my crystal ball says Zoro will get defeated easily since he's piss weak. Just like you think Mihawk has been to Wano which is speculation and no evidence. If you think that's true then you believe Sentomaru has better defense than Yonkous/Admirals since it's the "Greatest in the World". Wano hasn't been explained yet so where you're getting from info no idea.
I don't doubt that Zoro will have problems in Wano.. I'm talking about your Mihawk logic.
The man is 43 years old, travels the Grand Line alone, and is known as the "Worlds Greatest Swordsman".. You don't gain that title by sitting on your ass in one place. Now, I'm not basing any of this off facts because it's impossible to do so, but…All people aiming for that title (at least the note worthy ones) you'd think would know about the country of Samurai "Wano" as it's directly related to what they want to accomplish. Even Ace went there. So why would the man known as the worlds greatest swordsmen not go there? He's probably been there many times to hone his skills, and he probably kept going back until he left with that title.
You're kidding yourself if you actually think he hasn't been there. Something like that shouldn't even need evidence..
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A tournament could be very interesting and a good tool to show us the progress of the crew, especially Zoro. However, the tournament should have a strong plot line as the driving force. E.g: To win Ace's Fruit or to save Kanjuro
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To keep the pace up, it would be ideal if only select members of the group were involved.
If that's the case, then it'd be a nice twist for the lesser fighters of the crew to get a shot (i.e not Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji)
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Wa saw that at Davy Back Fight arc
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Wa saw that at Davy Back Fight arc
Yes, but technically Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji physically fought people in that. The others? Nope.
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@Formation:
Zoro will get a new Sensei it's already been foreshadowed with Zoro wanting to jock Kinemons fire style. Same thing will happen when he gets exposed to different sword styles he wants to learn a Samurai technique that's been passed on. Until it says Mihawk has gone to Wano in the manga he has gone there but that never happened so he's never been there. Ryuma would trash Mihawk because he is stronger. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-psSaCpk6VKY/UGM3edtIV8I/AAAAAAAADPE/BkC8uaKjoAg/s1600/michael-jordan-laughing.gif
Zoro will get a new sensei just to learn a fire technique, I don't think so, he will learn the fire technique by sight, no because somebody decided to teach him, it will be more easy because he already used a fire sword, Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world always seeking strong people to fight so we can assume that as swordsman himself he has been in Wano, it hasn't been stated but he's character say it out loud
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A tournament could be fun it could draw out a lot of unexpected faces to it.
As for the there is no stronger swordsman than Mihawk in Wano. Probably not but it wouldn't be weird if the leader there is on par with Mihawk. The country is indepedent after. Considering they have to fight off attacks from the Yonkou's without help from the marines there could be some real strong fighters. And well if they have some strong fighter it would make sense he stays at his/her home to protect it like Hancock mostly does.
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If that's the case, then it'd be a nice twist for the lesser fighters of the crew to get a shot (i.e not Luffy, Zoro, or Sanji)
It would depend on the plot. If the goal is to save Kanjuro, i'd guess that Sanji would insist on entering with Kinnemon.
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I actually think One Piece could benefit from having a few focused battles again, and a tournament arc would allow for that opportunity. Looking at arcs like Baroque Works, battles were pretty much straight forward and the scene wouldn't change until the last punch landed. Ever since Skypiea, most battles have been parallel to another with lots of fast switching in-between making it difficult to see a clear narrative.
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I would actually like to have a Tournament Arc on One Piece
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God no, awful idea.
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I'm the only one who believe's that Zoro will get the Nidai Kitetsu from Wano?
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@The:
I'm the only one who believe's that Zoro will get the Nidai Kitetsu from Wano?
Yes because i think that he will get the Shodai Kitetsu
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Hell no, I hate tournament stuff. It's always predictable and they usually last forever.
I can only accept this if it's in the style of grudge match cage fighting.
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I never said Mihawk has been to Wano, however, that has no relevance. There's absolutely no evidence right now that there's somebody in Wano who's stronger than Mihawk. The difference between Sentoumaru and Mihawk is that the latter is acknowledged by many other characters as the "World's Greatest" while Sentoumaru was pretty much boasting about himself.
Ryuma is just stronger than Mihawk since he is considered legendary. Mihawks title is more known but Sentomaru has the best defense better than Admirals/Yonkou until somebody defeats him. @Drazgoon:
May we suggest re-reading the manga? like from the beginning? to try to get at least a subtle hint of how the OP world works? Why would a character who's been ultra hyped since east-blue, is more than obvious end-game material, and who holds the title of world's strongest swordsman, not be the worlds strongest swordsman? he holds a legendary sword and is acknowledged by nearly every other high tier character… as for buce, he's using your twisted sense of reasoning to show you you're spouting bullshit, but you just sailed way over it and never noticed. Welcome to Arlong Park.
It's just a title and he hasn't fought every swordsman and Vista is a prime example they never met before and their match had to be postponed. @nodensuke:
I don't doubt that Zoro will have problems in Wano.. I'm talking about your Mihawk logic. The man is 43 years old, travels the Grand Line alone, and is known as the "Worlds Greatest Swordsman".. You don't gain that title by sitting on your ass in one place. Now, I'm not basing any of this off facts because it's impossible to do so, but…All people aiming for that title (at least the note worthy ones) you'd think would know about the country of Samurai "Wano" as it's directly related to what they want to accomplish. Even Ace went there. So why would the man known as the worlds greatest swordsmen not go there? He's probably been there many times to hone his skills, and he probably kept going back until he left with that title. You're kidding yourself if you actually think he hasn't been there. Something like that shouldn't even need evidence..
Wano is closed doors and you can't go there unless you have a plan. You can speculate all you want but he's never been there regardless of his title or where he stands in the manga until it's said. @Shadowgreed:
Zoro will get a new sensei just to learn a fire technique, I don't think so, he will learn the fire technique by sight, no because somebody decided to teach him, it will be more easy because he already used a fire sword, Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world always seeking strong people to fight so we can assume that as swordsman himself he has been in Wano, it hasn't been stated but he's character say it out loud
Zoro will get a new Sensei in Wano but he isn't skilled enough to pickup techniques by looking at it.. he isn't experienced.
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I know that Oda would make a tournament arc special and unique as others have said. I have no problems with it being in One Piece, I just can't see how to add it in the plot. But that's why I'm not an author of a manga right?
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Yes because i think that he will get the Shodai Kitetsu
Both Shusui and Wado Ichimonji are O Wazamono and Shodai is Saijo O Wasamono why to do that?
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@The:
Both Shusui and Wado Ichimonji are O Wazamono and Shodai is Saijo O Wasamono why to do that?
Especially because of that. He got 2 Great Swords already in the first half, so it is time for a Supreme one.
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Especially because of that. He got 2 Great Swords already in the first half, so it is time for a Supreme one.
I think if all them are in the same level it's better and there is no way to change Wado or Sushui
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@The:
I think if all them are in the same level it's better and there is no way to change Wado or Sushui
Yeah, Wado is clearly connected to his dream while i think Shusui can not be given away either because Zoro kind of got Ryuuma´s blessing as Shusui´s new master and something like that is pretty important for guys with that mindset like Zoro and Ryuuma. I think he will need a Supreme one eventually, even if it is only to say that he has one of the highest quality while i also think that he will not get many opportunities to acquire a new sword, what better place than Wa No is there?
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Yeah, Wado is clearly connected to his dream while i think Shusui can not be given away either because Zoro kind of got Ryuuma´s blessing as Shusui´s new master and something like that is pretty important for guys with that mindset like Zoro and Ryuuma. I think he will need a Supreme one eventually, even if it is only to say that he has one of the highest quality while i also think that he will not get many opportunities to acquire a new sword, what better place than Wa No is there?
I believe the same thing
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@Formation:
Ryuma is just stronger than Mihawk since he is considered legendary.
Mihawk is also legendary.
@Formation:
Mihawks title is more known but Sentomaru has the best defense better than Admirals/Yonkou until somebody defeats him.
Sentoumaru has nothing to do with this.
@Formation:
It's just a title and he hasn't fought every swordsman and Vista is a prime example they never met before and their match had to be postponed.
He doesn't have to fight every swordsman in the world to be considered the greatest.
@Formation:
Wano is closed doors and you can't go there unless you have a plan.
Ace went there once.
@Formation:
You can speculate all you want but he's never been there regardless of his title or where he stands in the manga until it's said. Zoro will get a new Sensei in Wano but he isn't skilled enough to pickup techniques by looking at it.. he isn't experienced.
Mihawk being the strongest swordsman is a fact, not speculation. It's Oda's words.
Zoro won't get another master, because Mihawk was pretty much the best one he could get.
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Mihawk is also legendary. Sentoumaru has nothing to do with this. He doesn't have to fight every swordsman in the world to be considered the greatest. Ace went there once. Mihawk being the strongest swordsman is a fact, not speculation. It's Oda's words. Zoro won't get another master, because Mihawk was pretty much the best one he could get.
You said that nobody in Wano would be able to challenge Mihawk and Ryuma is from there. He is stronger than him and would trash him. Sentomarus title is the same thing as Mihawks both of them are considered worlds greatest. Nobody else in the manga has worlds greatest title except Whitebeard. Mihawk only fought one person for the title of WSS and every swordsman didn't go for the title. If that happened Mihawk wouldn't have the title somebody from Wano would have it but they don't care about a title. Ace going there doesn't mean Mihawk went there. Where does it say in the manga that Mihawk went there or implied? Sentomaru has gone to Cake Island since he wants to test his defense and it's the greatest right? Mihawk isn't the strongest until he goes to Wano and fight every swordsman to me. Mihawk only knows one style and he doesn't know anything about katanas. Zoro getting a new Wano Sensei has been hinted at with Kinemon but their styles are the same and will probably show him a few techniques/kendo basics.
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@Formation:
I'm going with the portrayal and characters there and my crystal ball says Zoro will get defeated easily since he's piss weak. Just like you think Mihawk has been to Wano which is speculation and no evidence. If you think that's true then you believe Sentomaru has better defense than Yonkous/Admirals since it's the "Greatest in the World". Wano hasn't been explained yet so where you're getting from info no idea.
@Formation:
Ryuma is just stronger than Mihawk since he is considered legendary. Mihawks title is more known but Sentomaru has the best defense better than Admirals/Yonkou until somebody defeats him. It's just a title and he hasn't fought every swordsman and Vista is a prime example they never met before and their match had to be postponed. Wano is closed doors and you can't go there unless you have a plan. You can speculate all you want but he's never been there regardless of his title or where he stands in the manga until it's said. Zoro will get a new Sensei in Wano but he isn't skilled enough to pickup techniques by looking at it.. he isn't experienced.
Wait… So you think Sentomaru have best defense or not? Because first quote you make Sentomaru as example about speculation and no evidence, but second quote you decided him became best defense before someone defeaats him, which.... inconsistent >.<
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@Formation:
Sentomarus title is the same thing as Mihawks.
Sentomaru was self proclaimed.
Ace going there doesn't mean Mihawk went there.
It proves that the "closed door" policy isn't all that closed doored. If Ace can get it, why couldn't Mihawk?
Mihawk only knows one style and he doesn't know anything about katanas.
Mihawk doesn't know anything about katanas.
Please, do share where this information came from, I'd love to know.
You're a lost cause, I'm done.
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@Formation:
You said that nobody in Wano would be able to challenge Mihawk and Ryuma is from there. He is stronger than him and would trash him. Sentomarus title is the same thing as Mihawks both of them are considered worlds greatest. Nobody else in the manga has worlds greatest title except Whitebeard. Mihawk only fought one person for the title of WSS and every swordsman didn't go for the title. If that happened Mihawk wouldn't have the title somebody from Wano would have it but they don't care about a title. Ace going there doesn't mean Mihawk went there. Where does it say in the manga that Mihawk went there or implied? Sentomaru has gone to Cake Island since he wants to test his defense and it's the greatest right? Mihawk isn't the strongest until he goes to Wano and fight every swordsman to me. Mihawk only knows one style and he doesn't know anything about katanas. Zoro getting a new Wano Sensei has been hinted at with Kinemon but their styles are the same and will probably show him a few techniques/kendo basics.
You forgot about Kaidou.
Kaidou is the strongest creature; the greatest creature.
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Can someone screen shot Formation Y's reaction to Zoro, supposedly "weak" in his interpretation of One Piece, beating the strongest swordsman Wano has to offer?
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Can someone screen shot Formation Y's reaction to Zoro, supposedly "weak" in his interpretation of One Piece, beating the strongest swordsman Wano has to offer?
Well… To be fair... Ryuma's corpse was being controlled by the shadow of Brook. It wasn't actually him fighting.
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Can someone screen shot Formation Y's reaction to Zoro, supposedly "weak" in his interpretation of One Piece, beating the strongest swordsman Wano has to offer?
No because we would not be able to see his reaction, he would be gone
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@Formation:
You said that nobody in Wano would be able to challenge Mihawk and Ryuma is from there. He is stronger than him and would trash him.
I never said that.
Also, you have no proof that Ryuma was stronger than Mihawk. Doesn't matter, considering he's dead.
@Formation:
Sentomarus title is the same thing as Mihawks both of them are considered worlds greatest. Nobody else in the manga has worlds greatest title except Whitebeard.
The difference is that Sentoumaru's title wasn't acknowledged by anybody else, so it could be just him boasting.
@Formation:
Mihawk only fought one person for the title of WSS and every swordsman didn't go for the title.
We don't know how Mihawk became the WGS. You're making shit up.
@Formation:
If that happened Mihawk wouldn't have the title somebody from Wano would have it but they don't care about a title.
You're making shit up again.
@Formation:
Ace going there doesn't mean Mihawk went there. Where does it say in the manga that Mihawk went there or implied?
Ace going there means that entering Wano isn't as hard as you're saying.
Also, if Mihawk went there or not doesn't matter.
@Formation:
Sentomaru has gone to Cake Island since he wants to test his defense and it's the greatest right?
What?
@Formation:
Mihawk isn't the strongest until he goes to Wano and fight every swordsman to me.
Mihawk doesn't have to do anything. Oda (the fucking author) has been saying for more than 600 chapters that Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world. That should be enough for any reader.
@Formation:
Mihawk only knows one style and he doesn't know anything about katanas.
Mihawk had a wooden katana when he was child. He also can fight with a knife.
@Formation:
Zoro getting a new Wano Sensei has been hinted at with Kinemon but their styles are the same and will probably show him a few techniques/kendo basics.
Zoro already had a master to teach him the basics (Kuina's father). Also, Zoro doesn't need to be taught in order to learn new techniques. He should be able to do it just by observing.
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I don't see One Piece having a real tournament.
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Hey… Let's just be honest here: Shiliew (of the Rain) is going to kill Mihawk before Zoro can fight him.
He's had enough of Mihawk, and his stupid pornstar mustache. :ninja:
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@Formation:
Ryuma is just stronger than Mihawk since he is considered legendary. Mihawks title is more known but Sentomaru has the best defense better than Admirals/Yonkou until somebody defeats him.
Sentomaru was boosting himself, nobody else has mention anything about the so called ultimate defense of him.
It's just a title and he hasn't fought every swordsman and Vista is a prime example they never met before and their match had to be postponed.
Is a title but he wasn't the one who called himself like that he received that title for a reason. He is the strongest swordsman in the world.
Wano is closed doors and you can't go there unless you have a plan. You can speculate all you want but he's never been there regardless of his title or where he stands in the manga until it's said.
If Ace went there and he isn't a swordsman, why can't Mihawk go?
Zoro will get a new Sensei in Wano but he isn't skilled enough to pickup techniques by looking at it.. he isn't experienced.
He isn't experience, he is not an expert but he have experience, he has been training as a swordsman since a kid with a guy that seems to be a beast at swordsmanship and then trained with Mihawk who holds the title as the strongest swordsman in the world for 10+ years now
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@Formation:
Wano is closed doors and you can't go there unless you have a plan.
The bolded was a poor translation by Mangastream. When Luffy said that he can't wait to see what Dressrosa is like and that they should visit Wano too, they translated the next line by Law as saying that they can't go there without a strategy. What he actually told Luffy was to stay focused on their plan/alliance.
@Formation:
Sentomaru has gone to Cake Island since he wants to test his defense.
What does the cake island have to do with anything?
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@nodensuke:
Sentomaru was self proclaimed. It proves that the "closed door" policy isn't all that closed doored. If Ace can get it, why couldn't Mihawk? Please, do share where this information came from, I'd love to know. You're a lost cause, I'm done.
We still don't know the details how Ace went there but Mihawk is a swordsman and a foreigner/associated with the marines. Doesn't mean he went there. @The:
You forgot about Kaidou. Kaidou is the strongest creature; the greatest creature.
X Drake will be the strongest creature when he backstabs him :ninja @King:
I never said that. Also, you have no proof that Ryuma was stronger than Mihawk. Doesn't matter, considering he's dead. The difference is that Sentoumaru's title wasn't acknowledged by anybody else, so it could be just him boasting. We don't know how Mihawk became the WGS. You're making shit up. You're making shit up again. Ace going there means that entering Wano isn't as hard as you're saying. Also, if Mihawk went there or not doesn't matter. What? Mihawk doesn't have to do anything. Oda (the fucking author) has been saying for more than 600 chapters that Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world. That should be enough for any reader. Mihawk had a wooden katana when he was child. He also can fight with a knife. Zoro already had a master to teach him the basics (Kuina's father). Also, Zoro doesn't need to be taught in order to learn new techniques. He should be able to do it just by observing.
Mihawk isn't the best swordsman until he fights all the worthy foes in the NW who don't care about a measly title. @Shadowgreed:
Sentomaru was boosting himself, nobody else has mention anything about the so called ultimate defense of him. Is a title but he wasn't the one who called himself like that he received that title for a reason. He is the strongest swordsman in the world. If Ace went there and he isn't a swordsman, why can't Mihawk go? He isn't experience, he is not an expert but he have experience, he has been training as a swordsman since a kid with a guy that seems to be a beast at swordsmanship and then trained with Mihawk who holds the title as the strongest swordsman in the world for 10+ years now
The only person who would know his strength would be WG/Marines but he is Vegapunks bodyguard and he is not Vice Admiral level. Zoros Santoryu style is incomplete and inexperienced compared to Samurai who have techniques/styles passed down to them for who knows how many years. @Medical:
The bolded was a poor translation by Mangastream. When Luffy said that he can't wait to see what Dressrosa is like and that they should visit Wano too, they translated the next line by Law as saying that they can't go there without a strategy. What he actually told Luffy was to stay focused on their plan/alliance. What does the cake island have to do with anything?
Well Law is right in a sense they don't allow anybody there and Kinemon+comrades who haven't been introduced yet will guide them there. Zoro having a legendary sword isn't going to hurt either which will get him attention in a bad or good way. Sentomaru has the best defense but everybody thinks Mihawk went to Wano because of his title. It's the same thing since Sentomaru like challenges. –- Update From New Post Merge --- @Jyuunishinshou:
Wait… So you think Sentomaru have best defense or not? Because first quote you make Sentomaru as example about speculation and no evidence, but second quote you decided him became best defense before someone defeaats him, which.... inconsistent
Sentomaru has better defense than Yonkous
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Considering that Doflamingo gave the Mera Mera no mi to the man who runs the colliseum now seems as good a time as ever BUT considering that we have an Admiral and possibly a Yonkou bearing down on Dressrosa at the moment I don't think we'll really have enough time.
Would be cool to see some of the SHs fight eachother though, if only to stop some of the ridiculous arguments about power levels you see among the fandom.
edit: On another note, what are you on Formation Y?
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@Formation:
Mihawk isn't the best swordsman until he fights all the worthy foes in the NW who don't care about a measly title.
According to Oda, Mihawk is the best swordsman in the world and the opposite has never been hinted at.
You are pretty much saying the author is wrong.
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@Formation:
Sentomaru has the best defense but everybody thinks Mihawk went to Wano because of his title. It's the same thing since Sentomaru like challenges.
I get the whole testing of abilities thing, but why the cake island? It was never said that people there have high defense (nor was it said for any place). Unless he planned on testing his defense by seeing if he could eat a million pieces of cake without getting a heart attack?
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As long as it's done well then I'm all for it! :D
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Mihawk is also legendary. He is?
Sentoumaru has nothing to do with this. comparison for the word best thing
He doesn't have to fight every swordsman in the world to be considered the greatest. It's just to proves he didn't fight all the interesting dude and therefore maybe never had the chance to fight with Wano best fighter.
Ace went there once. He's Luffy big brother. Wouldn't surprise me if he got there by luck. Maybe he made friend with some samurai. He seems pretty friendly.
Mihawk being the strongest swordsman is a fact, not speculation. It's Oda's words. Good point
Zoro won't get another master, because Mihawk was pretty much the best one he could get. Being the best doesn't mean you're the best teacher.
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@Medical:
I get the whole testing of abilities thing, but why the cake island? It was never said that people there have high defense (nor was it said for any place). Unless he planned on testing his defense by seeing if he could eat a million pieces of cake without getting a heart attack?
I suppose to test himself on a yonkou.