Achievement Unlocked: Talk about rocks for 9 pages.
General 'Haki' Discussion
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@Foxy:
Achievement Unlocked: Talk about rocks for 9 pages.
EDIT: removed offensive joke after reading some newer post in chapter 699 discussion.
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You used this point earlier on as well and it's mostly true, but what I am referring to is how Zoro seemed to know where the rocks would fall. This might be just because he saw them fall but he said something like "I knew they wouldnt fall here, because I can hear their breath". So what I am talking about is, if Zoro really meant that he can sense rocks and know where they are and where they will fall, he should have been able to do it more often. Yet he didn't, which is why that part makes it seem like it may have been an outburst.
You do not need Haki do know that an attack wont hit you. Skill and instinct can do that for you. Many people have dodged or blocked attacks that they didnt see coming.
That resonant frequency thing is something I agree with. But he uses CoO to sense them.
Then why does he never mention it or use it again? Zoro is all about getting better and training. So explain why he would have this awakening that gives him this great power and saves his life yet never thinks about it or tries to learn it or use it again?
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You do not need Haki do know that an attack wont hit you. Skill and instinct can do that for you. Many people have dodged or blocked attacks that they didnt see coming.
Oh, for God's sake… You once again ignore Zoro's comment.
@themick:Then why does he never mention it or use it again? Zoro is all about getting better and training. So explain why he would have this awakening that gives him this great power and saves his life yet never thinks about it or tries to learn it or use it again?
He uses it again everytime he needs to cut steel.
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Oh, for God's sake… You once again ignore Zoro's comment.
He uses it again everytime he needs to cut steel.
He uses CoO to cut steel?!?! You cant even stay consistent with your own comments.
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He uses CoO to cut steel?!?! You cant even stay consistent with your own comments.
To sense its resonant frequency a.k.a "breath".
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To sense its resonant frequency a.k.a "breath".
So instead of accepting that it is a part of being a swordsman you turn it into a new form of Haki that is both CoO and CoA at the same time?
But just to play along with you. Why didnt Luffy or Sanji learn this breath CoO? They are both great fighters, powerful, and are confirmed to now have Haki. it seems like feeling this breath would be a great way to hit an enemy in a weak spot. For that matter why has nobody else in the series been shown to use this method of inflicting extra damage just because of CoO?
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So instead of accepting that it is a part of being a swordsman you turn it into a new form of Haki that is both CoO and CoA at the same time?
Not really. Just CoO. Read sggupta's post for more info.
@themick:But just to play along with you. Why didnt Luffy or Sanji learn this breath CoO? They are both great fighters, powerful, and are confirmed to now have Haki. it seems like feeling this breath would be a great way to hit an enemy in a weak spot. For that matter why has nobody else in the series been shown to use this method of inflicting extra damage just because of CoO?
Because if wouldn't help them in any way. They don't need to cut anything.
But whatever. I'm tired of this. You win; it's not haki.
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I think Jacker still believes in it being Haki, but he doesn't want to debate about it anymore. Understandable since it's been going on for quite some time.
I'm done with the subject as well, so it seems we're done on the debate about Zoro in Alabasta.Until somebody decides to bring it up again, let's switch the topic in the thread.
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in other news,did you see the jump cover?luffy uses Hardening and his armi is on fire.this gives fuel to foxy's(and someone else) theory that sanji used coa to use his diablo jambe**.i personally don't believe it**,but what do you think?why and how was his arm on fire?or is it just to add flair to the cover?
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@nondensuke yeah i think so too
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in other news,did you see the jump cover?luffy uses Hardening and his armi is on fire.this gives fuel to foxy's(and someone else) theory that sanji used coa to use his diablo jambe.i personally don't believe it,but what do you think?why and how was his arm on fire?or is it just to add flair to the cover?
Friction .
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Sanji uses a boner to harden. Every part of his body, including his legs, can get hard when he thinks about Nami
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@nodensuke:
Friction .
Friction is just what raises a heat. But his leg is on fire, is it not? What exatly is burning there? Cloth of his pants? Leg? No, answer is… spirit. xD
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Looking at it closely, Luffy seems to be combining Gear Two with CoA Hardening.
But One Piece has a long history of people randomly producing fire, which I find suspicious.
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Friction is just what raises a heat. But his leg is on fire, is it not? What exatly is burning there? Cloth of his pants? Leg? No, answer is… spirit. xD
Anyway it could be that CoA is a good catalyst and burns pretty well. x)So, during Thriller Bark when he found out Absalom was marrying/saw Nami naked and burst into flames, that was haki to, right?
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in other news,did you see the jump cover?luffy uses Hardening and his armi is on fire.this gives fuel to foxy's(and someone else) theory that sanji used coa to use his diablo jambe**.i personally don't believe it**,but what do you think?why and how was his arm on fire?or is it just to add flair to the cover?
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The fire comes from Luffy's burning spirit.
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@nodensuke:
So, during Thriller Bark when he found out Absalom was marrying/saw Nami naked and burst into flames, that was haki to, right?
Yes. Why not?
Or would you say that friction is all what there is to his DJ? He don`t even spin at this point anymoar. xP -
Yes. Why not?
Or would you say that friction is all what there is to his DJ? He don`t even spin at this point anymoar. xPBecause Luffy's flames are a result of armament hardening plus gear 2nd.
Friction and his burning passion, that's all there is too it.
It was introduced during an arc where all 3 members of the M3 revealed new techniques, Gear 2nd+3rd, Asura, and Diable Jambe. None of them use any haki.
What do you think caused the ground to catch fire when Luffy was running with catch up to Smoker?
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I will stick to my opinion too.
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s CoA which burns, I`m just saying that spirit related stuff is haki stuff, or at least very closely related. -
I will stick to my opinion too.
Im not saying that it
s CoA which burns, I`m just saying that spirit related stuff is haki stuff, or at least very closely related.It's cool, reading my posts I kinda sound like an ass, sorry!
I think Asura and spirit/aura related, and having a "burning passion" is part of that as well, I just don't think they're haki related at all. As I said, I don't think Oda would have Sanji and Zoro show signs of haki before Luffy.
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@Foxy:
Looking at it closely, Luffy seems to be combining Gear Two with CoA Hardening.
But One Piece has a long history of people randomly producing fire, which I find suspicious.
most probably,but there is no smoke coming from his body,and his arms/body are not red as well.
it could come from his burning spirit,but that wouldn't that be trespassing sanji's territory?:ninja: -
I agree with pRopaaNS. I'm starting to think that what we think as haki and its three shades is just one different style of spirit manipulation, much like Rokushiki is a style of martial arts. There may be different ways to manipulate haki than just the three categories we've seen, or they could be subcategories.
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I agree with pRopaaNS. I'm starting to think that what we think as haki and its three shades is just one different style of spirit manipulation, much like Rokushiki is a style of martial arts. There may be different ways to manipulate haki than just the three categories we've seen, or they could be subcategories.
That makes sense, especially since CoA has Hardening as a subcategory.
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Looks like another manga I've been reading is using "Haki" as well.
http://mangafox.me/manga/akb49_renai_kinshi_jourei/v14/c113/13.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/akb49_renai_kinshi_jourei/v14/c113/14.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/akb49_renai_kinshi_jourei/v14/c113/15.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/akb49_renai_kinshi_jourei/v14/c113/16.html http://mangafox.me/manga/akb49_renai_kinshi_jourei/v14/c113/18.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/akb49_renai_kinshi_jourei/v14/c113/23.htmlIt's just that Oda made it into a tangible power.
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Okay, how about this: Can Buggy be cut with haki? I say he can't.
blunt attacks dont work on luffy because he's rubber, when applied with haki it works just like a normal person would.
if haki is applied to the slash before buggy can subconsciously split himself then he will get cut.
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blunt attacks dont work on luffy because he's rubber, when applied with haki it works just like a normal person would.
if haki is applied to the slash before buggy can subconsciously split himself then he will get cut.
I perceived it as Buggy would just feel the pain of the slash but still be able to use his ability to join back together, so after several slashes he would pass out or die.
Not sure if that's what you meant or not.
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I perceived it as Buggy would just feel the pain of the slash but still be able to use his ability to join back together, so after several slashes he would pass out or die.
Not sure if that's what you meant or not.
didnt really think of that but it may be a possibility. i still kinda think that he could be cut though
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blunt attacks dont work on luffy because he's rubber, when applied with haki it works just like a normal person would.
if haki is applied to the slash before buggy can subconsciously split himself then he will get cut.
Couldn't he just separate himself before the slash even connected with him?
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Couldn't he just separate himself before the slash even connected with him?
that's why he said "subconsciously" split.
like when Mihawk cut him he split automatically because of the sword.
but had he used Haki buggy would have been cut.(just stating his opinion, this is not how i think)
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blunt attacks dont work on luffy because he's rubber, when applied with haki it works just like a normal person would.
if haki is applied to the slash before buggy can subconsciously split himself then he will get cut.
that's why he said "subconsciously" split.
like when Mihawk cut him he split automatically because of the sword.
but had he used Haki buggy would have been cut.(just stating his opinion, this is not how i think)
didnt really think of that but it may be a possibility. i still kinda think that he could be cut though
Of course he would've been cut. I doesn't matter though, as being cut doesn't hurt him.
I think it's a little different with Luffy. Luffy's body is "transformed" but Buggy's stays the same. So what haki does to Luffy, is that it "ignores" his transformed body and hurts his "real" body. The same thing with logias. Haki allows you to grasp their real body. But it doesn't nullify abilities. Since Buggy only has one body and haki can't take away his power, I think it wouldn't matter one bit if you used haki on him.
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I don't know if you can compare Luffy to a Logia.
Logias can turn into their elements at will, but they have a "real body" as you said.
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I don't know if you can compare Luffy to a Logia.
Logias can turn into their elements at will, but they have a "real body" as you said.
Luffy doesn't switch between normal and rubber, he IS rubber. every day and always.He still has a "real body". He's not rubber when BB grabs him.
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He still has a "real body". He's not rubber when BB grabs him.
That`s not haki but his DF.
But even if with haki Luffy and logia users are both vulnerable in same way, but logia can produce large quantities of theyr element as offensive attacks, while Luffy is limited to stretching his own body(although he can influate it). Anyway rubber itself doesn`t do any damage, while logias are dangerous elements of nature.
But still Luffys DF is damn well compatible with haki, like he was intentionally given rubber DF ability to give him massive advantages for later stage of series.
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He still has a "real body". He's not rubber when BB grabs him.
Because Blackbeard actually cancels out the fruit powers.
Haki doesnt do that as far as we know. if a haki user would grab luffy i think he could still stretch.EDIT: okay not trying to mock you but here's an interesting question for you.
Say Blackbeard were to grab Luffy. according to you he's not rubber anymore, so he loses all effects of his DF, right?
so what if blackbeard were to hold luffy's body in water. would anything happen at all?
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Because Blackbeard actually cancels out the fruit powers.
Haki doesnt do that as far as we know. if a haki user would grab luffy i think he could still stretch.Of course he could. That's not the point. The point is that he still has a "real body". And while he can't switch between his rubber body and real body, his real body gets hurt when you punch him with haki.
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Because Blackbeard actually cancels out the fruit powers.
Haki doesnt do that as far as we know. if a haki user would grab luffy i think he could still stretch.EDIT: okay not trying to mock you but here's an interesting question for you.
Say Blackbeard were to grab Luffy. according to you he's not rubber anymore, so he loses all effects of his DF, right?
so what if blackbeard were to hold luffy's body in water. would anything happen at all?
Would he even be able to swim?That's an interesting question, really.
Maybe, he won't be affected by water. But in his case, luffy can't swim as he never knew how to… -
okay not trying to mock you but here's an interesting question for you.
Say Blackbeard were to grab Luffy. according to you he's not rubber anymore, so he loses all effects of his DF, right?
so what if blackbeard were to hold luffy's body in water. would anything happen at all?
Would he even be able to swim?Hmm… That is intersting. I would say that he can't. Because while BB nullifies all effects of his DF, he still has it. But I guess it depends on the reason why the sea weakens DF users in the first place.
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@Gear:
Maybe, he won't be affected by water. But in his case, luffy can't swim as he never knew how to…
Yea true, I thought of that as well xD
But i was just thinking in a way like what if he could do it or knew how to at least.and @ Jacker, yes we are still most likely gonna get a good explanation on that, and also for DF's in general.
Damn I really hoped we'd at least get to see Vegapunk in the previous arc, but we only saw a shadowy figure a few times. -
So, imma post my answer to haki discussion on four emperors thread here.
Haki is willpower. Especially CoC, which is basically the strenght of your spirit. To become Pirate King you need a strong will.
I second Jacker on this one.
Having CoC doesn't mean to be just born with it by chance, it has to be within your personality to actually HAVE that strong will.
of course you are born with that personality, but its not like you have to get born with a certain power the way it is in for example Naruto.
if you have a strong will you survive and become great. if you dont have the will or power to do shit you die.Maybe I have misunderstood something but it seems like haoshoku haki is something you either have or don't have. Of course people who have it are exceptional, but maybe they aren't the only folks who can make it to the top. Maybe you can have tremendous willpower or can grow your courage without having HH.
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@Light:
Maybe I have misunderstood something but it seems like haoshoku haki is something you either have or don't have. Of course people who have it are exceptional, but maybe they aren't the only folks who can make it to the top. Maybe you can have tremendous willpower or can grow your courage without having HH.
Myea that is true, but when you want to rise to the top you most likely have a strong will to do so.
And if you have that personality to rise to the top nd you have the power to do so, you most likely have the HH within you.I'm not saying everybody who ever rises to the top has to have HH, look at the (former) admirals. they dont seem to have it yet they are part of the best ever available.
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Of course he would've been cut. I doesn't matter though, as being cut doesn't hurt him.
I think it's a little different with Luffy. Luffy's body is "transformed" but Buggy's stays the same. So what haki does to Luffy, is that it "ignores" his transformed body and hurts his "real" body. The same thing with logias. Haki allows you to grasp their real body. But it doesn't nullify abilities. Since Buggy only has one body and haki can't take away his power, I think it wouldn't matter one bit if you used haki on him.
the same way it hits the real body for logias would be the same way it would for buggy.
u cant cut fire and hurt it no matter what u do, same with some other logias. haki lets u grasp the real body. look back at when luffy grabbed smoker in his smoke form, he too only has one body. its the same way haki "ignores" luffy's transformed body that it "ignores" buggy transformed body that cant be hurt from a cut. its all the same principle.
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Couldn't he just separate himself before the slash even connected with him?
yes he can but thats why i said
if haki is applied to the slash before buggy can subconsciously split himself then he will get cut.
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the same way it hits the real body for logias would be the same way it would for buggy.
u cant cut fire and hurt it no matter what u do, same with some other logias. haki lets u grasp the real body. look back at when luffy grabbed smoker in his smoke form, he too only has one body. its the same way haki "ignores" luffy's transformed body that it "ignores" buggy transformed body that cant be hurt from a cut. its all the same principle.
But Buggy only has one body, the "real one". It doesn't change, it just splits. Even if you have haki, you can't nullify powers. You can't damage him by cutting.
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But Buggy only has one body, the "real one". It doesn't change, it just splits. Even if you have haki, you can't nullify powers. You can't damage him by cutting.
luffy only has one body, the "real one". it doesnt change, he's rubber. even with haki u dont nullify his rubber powers. you cant damage him by blunt attacks
see where im going with this?
u cant just say he's an exception to the rule when we have no proof otherwise.
for exceptions u can look at jozu and maybe mr. 1… they should be diamond and steel respectively AT ALL TIMES, yet we see jozu going in and out of being diamond when luffy is not able to at all (atleast as far as we know)
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But Buggy only has one body, the "real one". It doesn't change, it just splits. Even if you have haki, you can't nullify powers. You can't damage him by cutting.
Of course you can. If Luffy can get damaged by blunt Haki attacks like if he wasn't made of rubber at all, then Buggy can get damaged by cutting attacks like if he wasn't able to split himself at all.
For example, if Buggy got a limb severed by a Hakified slash, he would feel all the pain that would come from such damage, but he would still be able to reassemble the severed limb.
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No way it's working in Buggy. He's a splitman. so a slash( haki or not) shouldn't be able to cut him.There's no real body to hurt since the real body split. Luffy is different, he is rubber just like Ace is fire. But the real body can be touch by a impact dial or by a Haki infused hit. At least that's my opinion.
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No way it's working in Buggy. He's a splitman. so a slash( haki or not) **shouldn't be able to cut him.**There's no real body to hurt since the real body split. Luffy is different, he is rubber just like Ace is fire. But the real body can be touch by a impact dial or by a Haki infused hit. At least that's my opinion.
you misunderstand… buggy CAN still be cut, without haki, it just doesnt harm him.
also the impact dial isnt a blunt attack, its a type of force attack or energy attack if u will.
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you misunderstand… buggy CAN still be cut, without haki, it just doesnt harm him.
also the impact dial isnt a blunt attack, its a type of force attack or energy attack if u will.
He isn't cut he get separate. I don't why he would get hurt since there no reason for him to be.