Is this sky road thingie the same as on the island Apoo was on? not sure if it has been mentioned
Chapter 697: "Transaction"
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You guys really think the marines are a bunch of idiots, of course they know that they have some rotten apples in their basket. But it would also be interesting for the marine to have the biggest troublemaker a bit closer.
I just want to see a Luffy vs Akainu stare off in a hallway of the Marine HQ
Akainu was willing to kill his own men because they didn't participate in the war. Do you think he'll just passively be staring at Luffy as they pass each other in a hallway? LMAO!!!!
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You guys really think the marines are a bunch of idiots, of course they know that they have some rotten apples in their basket. But it would also be interesting for the marine to have the biggest troublemaker a bit closer.
I just want to see a Luffy vs Akainu stare off in a hallway of the Marine HQ
That would be dumb. One Piece is about adventure, not about politics. What would Luffy accomplish by becoming a Shichibukai? He's only interested in having fun, eating and having great adventures with his nakama.
Prepare! The new age is coming!
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I too, wonder about what this "Green Bit" and the sky road is.
Not sure what to believe, I guess ill just wait and find out.Also, about Doflamingo: it could indeed be that he is afraid of Kaidou. It COULD also just be that hes so mad because he has to give up one of his powerful alliances, no matter what he chooses. it's either losing the marines' protection, or lose his business with Kaidou. of course he is angry, doesnt mean that he is necessarily so very afraid of them.
of course i think that Kaidou is really strong, but Shanks beat him or at least held him off and got to Marineford within a day. this fact has always bothered me….
it kind of proves that he is pretty low-tier Yonkou, even if he is still really really great. he still doesnt compare to shanks apparently, since shanks didnt even get a scratch from the fight. -
I too, wonder about what this "Green Bit" and the sky road is.
Not sure what to believe, I guess ill just wait and find out.Also, about Doflamingo: it could indeed be that he is afraid of Kaidou. It COULD also just be that hes so mad because he has to give up one of his powerful alliances, no matter what he chooses. it's either losing the marines' protection, or lose his business with Kaidou. of course he is angry, doesnt mean that he is necessarily so very afraid of them.
of course i think that Kaidou is really strong, but Shanks beat him or at least held him off and got to Marineford within a day. this fact has always bothered me….
it kind of proves that he is pretty low-tier Yonkou, even if he is still really really great. he still doesnt compare to shanks apparently, since shanks didnt even get a scratch from the fight.They could have talked it out. Maybe they didn't fight at all. People shouldn't assume they did, to be honest. Though… I suppose it's possible.
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I believe the obvious interpretation of the scene is DD being frightened by Kaidou. However, instead of being scare of a person, have you considered he is frightened because he is about to lose something he has been building up for 10 years? Either decision he makes, he knows he is done for (unless he has a backup plan we don't know about).
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@The:
They could have talked it out. Maybe they didn't fight at all. People shouldn't assume they did, to be honest.
I get what youre saying, but the way Law is speaking about him to Doflamingo about how he would hunt him down and kill him if he couldnt make SMILE anymore?
it could be, but since Kaidou seems to be the type that doesnt like to talk it out and would rather kill anything in his way….. i dunno.
then again a man like kaidou should realise that if he were to fight shanks there, even if he won he couldnt get to marineford to do anything. -
luffy would never become a shichibukai.
plus,as long as akainu is in charge,i don't think the son of dragon would have any chance to become part of the WG
Akainu isn't in charge of the WG. He has no power over who can become Shichibukai or not.
But I agree that Luffy won't become a Shichibukai. It would be against his philosophy of freedom.
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of course i think that Kaidou is really strong, but Shanks beat him or at least held him off and got to Marineford within a day. this fact has always bothered me….
it kind of proves that he is pretty low-tier Yonkou, even if he is still really really great. he still doesn't compare to shanks apparently, since shanks didn't even get a scratch from the fight.As someone else pointed out, Shanks merely confronted Kaido. Why would Kaido fight Shanks and then proceed to fight Whitebeard? After fighting Shanks his crew would be at a critical low physically.
Would you take your wounded soldiers to go fight Whitebeard?
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Akainu isn't in charge of the WG. He has no power over who can become Shichibukai or not.
But I agree that Luffy won't become a Shichibukai. It would be against his philosophy of freedom.
Akainu is a fleet Admiral. He's not the owner, but he's damn well the CEO.
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I think Law wants to destroy DoFlamingo completely and by that his first step is to strip him off his good life.
So making him a pirate again also offers him the opportunity to fight him without losing his shichibukai-title.
When DoFla would refuse he would get problems with Kaidou and Law would gain that Kaidou would hunt DoFla which would make also Kaidou open for an attack.
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yea okay i get what you mean now.
okay that brightens me up a lot….
i always thought kaidou mustve been the weakest yonkou if he fought shanks and lost so badly he didnt even wound him. but you guys are probably right.now that we're on the subject of kaidou anyways, x-drake went to that island of his and killed (or captured at least) that robot guy so kaidou would come there.
someone as drake wouldnt think he could beat kaidou like that.... who else thinks drake wanted to work for kaidou, and wanted to show him he was strong enough to do it by beating the robot? -
@CCC:
EDIT: Actually, I'm nearly convinced you're right, even without a source. It fits with the tone and wording of the dialogue. And that would be a ridiculous coincidence for his magical flying power to run out exactly where the life raft was.
i though he stopped because he saw the raft and stopped,the "sky road" problem was only a thing that slowed him and the reason he was not able to reach punk hazard in time.
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Finally managed to read the chapter.
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i though he stopped because he saw the raft and stopped,the "sky road" problem was only a thing that slowed him and the reason he was not able to reach punk hazard in time.
Yeah… still not too sure. As I said, the dialogue itself and the way it's laid out on that page reeked of something I wasn't understanding right from the start, but I can't find anything about it being used as a mob term.
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Can Law don't do something "cool" for a change.
Law got his ass beat by Vergo and lost his hat. I don't think that was very cool of him
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Then are you want OP to be like Bleach where Ichigo became center of the story suck up all the other chars development just to make the story focused on himself?:ninja:
Yes, because thats exactly what One Piece was like for the first +decade of publication.
@Nex:
Have no worries, mate, all shall be well. We've seen in the past few chapters that try as he might, Law can't hijack the series, Luffy's gonna keep on being himself doing things at his own pace, and when the time comes to finish of Kaido (probably in about 2 years mind you) it won't be a joint effort, it'll be decidedly Luffy that beats him.
I mean, Law is the first "official" ally of the many Luffy will have by the time the series reaches the final arc–the war that will make Marineford look tiny--he has to be thoroughly developed, and he has to be proven. This is Law earning his.
Think of it like how each of the individual Straw Hats dominated a certain arc. That's all that's going on with Law.
Law isn't a Straw Hat though. As you say, he's a tier below that: Ally. But regardless of what I think of the actual character himself, I just feel the exposure to him has gotten out of hand. He has recieved DON! cliffhangers at a Crocodile/Enel level this arc. After being built up since volume 25, Doflamingo, one of the oldest set-up villans in the series, is getting his balls busted by, and asking demands from Law, not Luffy. While new crewmembers/main characters tend to get much focus in "their" arcs, this is the first time said character has had the entire arc dancing to his Master Planning tune. And in all the history of One Piece publication the only other non villain/Crewmember to share Jumps cover with Luffy was Rayleigh, for the first post-skip chapter.
Its just a bit much, especially considering Odas increasing trouble with giving all 9 crewembers time to shine.
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Heh my 4th impression about the chapter already, something new always comes up when rereading.
I expected a bit more involvement from Smoker, he is very "passive". His order last time was "leave them be" and that´s all. Yeah the facepalm was hilarious this chapter but he´s been so casual with both Luffy and Law (Law even tells him where they´re heading next) that it makes it a bit difficult for me to expect him to go back into his "I´ll hunt you down Strawhat no matter what rawrrrr!" mentality. On the other hand, I understand that he´s suffered some heavy psychological blows on PH (losing to Law, the whole Vergo thing, being indepted to a pirate for a while etc.) and now his crew adores the SHs…tough life man
Yeah I guess it´s all Law´s fault, he´s trying to steal the show lately. We´ll need more "Chopper on Law´s hat" kind of moments to downplay him.
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Dofla being scared of Kaido is unexpected…but again,Kaido's stature now going to hit the roof....:happy:
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Law got his ass beat by Vergo and lost his hat.
Whereupon Law revealed that only Vergo having his heart kept Law from WTFOHKO'ing him, and retrieved his hat in an "I'm so cool!" panel.
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@CCC:
Hmm? I don't know what you're talking about with the Japanese underworld (not to say you're wrong- I'm just ignorant). The kanji that Doflamingo uses is literally "Road of the Sky" (空の道 = Sora no Michi). Not Ten no Michi (天の道). The thing about the underworld- which kanji does that use? Do you have a link to something with an explanation of it as a mafia term? Because from what you're saying, it seems like that might be the case. Like… it had nothing to do with him flying, but it was just him remarking to himself about Law + SHs managing to screw up his business.
EDIT: Actually, I'm nearly convinced you're right, although I'd still like a source before editing my script. It fits with the tone and wording of the dialogue. And that would be a ridiculous coincidence for his magical flying power to run out exactly where the life raft was.
Hmm, I thought he was referring to the mystery man. Maybe he interrupted his flight or something.
What is Oden saying to WB?
Become my son Whitebeard.
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That would be dumb. One Piece is about adventure, not about politics. What would Luffy accomplish by becoming a Shichibukai? He's only interested in having fun, eating and having great adventures with his nakama.
Can't you really see all the possibilities Luffy will obtain by being a Shichibukai, besides he will sooner or later pull a Blackbeard and betray them again.
I can see Law telling Luffy to do this in order for his plan to work out. It's not like there suddenly won't be adventures anymore and Luffy will have to sit by a round table the whole day discussing the problems in the world. I think even for Luffy it would be interesting to have obtained a rank like that, it's a way of telling Shanks how he is doing. Luffy always was always pretty impressed by the Shichibukai rank as well when he met Croc, Moriah, and Jinbei, so I don't think it would impossible if Luffy became a Shichi for one saga or something like that.
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Admirals with an S. oh yeaaaaaah. that info can supply me for a week
And Dofla is afraid of Kaidou. who wouldn't be?
That doesn't mean anything. "Admirals" also includes the Fleet Admiral and Vice Admirals.
Kizaru is the only Admiral.
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Law is already the winner.
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if he rejects and get ceasar back, admirals will hunt him but kaidou will try,to protect him… So kaidou is in trouble so law can take him down
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if he stays schichibukai... Kaidou will attack him .. So this is law chance to attack kaidou
Haha what dd is gonna do....
And a vice admiral isnt gonna hunt dd.
Vice admiral are weak really weak
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Law got his ass beat by Vergo and lost his hat. I don't think that was very cool of him
Vergo,the guy who can beat Smoker and Sanji needs to cheat for Law (with the heart) or else the demigod will one shot him.Smoker was basically his little helper.
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Could anyone tell if Kinemon and Son were departing with the Strawhats or not? I couldn't tell in the panels they appeared, did I miss them elsewhere?
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Hmm, I thought he was referring to the mystery man. Maybe he interrupted his flight or something.
The problem line is "Those brats!!"
It's right between "I've met with bad luck" and "My sky road has been interrupted."At first I thought it was like, "Ah, I've met with bad luck, [so] those brats [are safe for now]!" But that's a lot of extrapolating.
The flow of the dialogue is such that the "brats" are pretty clearly the source of everything bad for DD at the moment. -
Can't you really see all the possibilities Luffy will obtain by being a Shichibukai, besides he will sooner or later pull a Blackbeard and betray them again.
I can see Law telling Luffy to do this in order for his plan to work out. It's not like there suddenly won't be adventures anymore and Luffy will have to sit by a round table the whole day discussing the problems in the world. I think even for Luffy it would be interesting to have obtained a rank like that, it's a way of telling Shanks how he is doing. Luffy always was always pretty impressed by the Shichibukai rank as well when he met Croc, Moriah, and Jinbei, so I don't think it would impossible if Luffy became a Shichi for one saga or something like that.
Sorry pal, but none of this sounds appealing. Also I can't see Shanks being impressed with Luffy as a Warlord.
Luffy: "Look Shanks… I'm a warlord. I've accomplished so much"
Shanks: "What a wuss. I never had to become a Warlord"
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Could anyone tell if Kinemon and Son were departing with the Strawhats or not? I couldn't tell in the panels they appeared, did I miss them elsewhere?
They're definitely going with the Straw Hats, who will give them a ride to Wano, but I think that Kinemon and Momonosuke have a death sentence for leaving Wano.
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@Foxy:
That doesn't mean anything. "Admirals" also includes the Fleet Admiral and Vice Admirals.
Kizaru is the only Admiral.
Okay, this is ridiculous.
Please show me a panel where it is stated that, as you said "Kizaru is the only Admiral."
Or at least give a good reason why you think so. Or just insert that magical "I think" "In my opinion" "I reckon" etc. in front of your theory.Why would it include Fleet-Admiral and the VAs? Whenever people said "Admirals" they clearly thought of Akainu, Kizaru and Aokiji. Not Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Tsuru, Garp, John Giant, Momonga, Rear-Admiral Kadahl etc.
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@Foxy:
That doesn't mean anything. "Admirals" also includes the Fleet Admiral and Vice Admirals. Kizaru is the only Admiral.
That's just your baseless assumption,don't try to pull it off as fact.
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It seems that the timer device is used to send the flare signals. Law must've expected some Dofla's men to be sent to PH, but it turns out that Dofla went himself.
Somehow I feel that the way Law doesn't give Dofla some time to think is to make the warlord do something reckless, like attacking Law+SH directly. If not, I expect Dofla to just quit the Shichibukai. Well, he has to leave Dressrossa, but hiding from admirals doesn't seem to be a very hard thing to do in the NW.
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@Foxy:
They're definitely going with the Straw Hats, who will give them a ride to Wano, but I think that Kinemon and Momonosuke have a death sentence for leaving Wano.
Just wondering, how do you expect they will bring them there?
Since the magnetic flows of the islands in the New World changes constantly, I do not suppose things such as Eternal Poses are of any importance anymore.
Maybe just like, they find the island that comes before it, then point out which of the needles goes to Wano, and then if it ever stops they just sit and wait untill it points right again…. I dunno, but since the needles in the New World are so unstable i think it would be hard to tell what island you want to go to and actually succesfully going there. -
Cool chapter, mostly dialogue.
I was surprised that people ranked Donflamingo's strength on par with a Yonkou. I have always had his strength on Kuma's level maybe stronger. After seeing Whitebeard at the war I think it's clear how strong the Yonkou are… the war was a way to showcase that. It's been two years since, so maybe even the Yonkou have gotten stronger to push for the title of PK now that WB is dead.
Kaido is a harsh bastard, just like Big Mam when it comes to candy. But I'm seeing Kaido being a ruthless motherfucker with a beastly appetite for blood and violence. Probably has a mythical zoan, say maybe dragon or sea king. Law has played his "cards" well so far, with a bit of difficulty from Luffy and co. But he gets what he wants... Donflamingo cornered, sandwiched between the strongest force of the marines and the King of Beasts Kaido (& crew). I think he'd prefer to drop his status as Shichibukai and stay sided with Kaido, especially in this new era of pirates. Didn't Donflamingo have someone else working for him in the marines, quite high up? He was talking to him after that shit with Moria disappearing.
So this could mean it'll be SHs & Law vs DD & Kaido (w/ their crews). But I think we'll see DD finished defeated before then, and this mysterious character on the boat might just be involved. I'm expecting things to start going well for Donflamingo at one point, seen as the villians always have a point where they gain control again. Where are Law's crew though?
Oh and it'll only be a matter of time before Law betrays Luffy. Don't think Law hasn't thought of a way to take Luffy out of the equation so the PK title is waiting for him only. But that'll be after the plan with a 30% success rate. Shit, if it was 1% success rate with Luffy by your side you'd probably do it, with his incredible luck and destiny to become PK.
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@Foxy:
That doesn't mean anything. "Admirals" also includes the Fleet Admiral and Vice Admirals.
Nope. Western navy naming convention is fairly irrelevant here.
Fleet admiral = gensui （元帥）. Admiral = taishou （大将）. Vice Admiral = chuujyou (中将).
Law's line uses "大将達." There's no ambiguity. There are at least two admirals at present, and they will be chasing DD if he resigns. That's what we've learned from this chapter.
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Okay, this is ridiculous.
Please show me a panel where it is stated that, as you said "Kizaru is the only Admiral."
Or at least give a good reason why you think so. Or just insert that magical "I think" "In my opinion" "I reckon" etc. in front of your theory.Why would it include Fleet-Admiral and the VAs? Whenever people said "Admirals" they clearly thought of Akainu, Kizaru and Aokiji. Not Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, Sengoku, Tsuru, Garp, John Giant, Momonga, Rear-Admiral Kadahl etc.
We saw all the major Vice-Admirals in Film Z and none of them were promoted.
And I doubt there's any other Marine who strong enough to be an Admiral, because we would have seen them during Marineford.
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@CCC:
The problem line is "Those brats!!"
It's right between "I've met with bad luck" and "My sky road has been interrupted."At first I thought it was like, "Ah, I've met with bad luck, [so] those brats [are safe for now]!" But that's a lot of extrapolating.
The flow of the dialogue is such that the "brats" are pretty clearly the source of everything bad for DD at the moment.I see, the Mangapanda scan gave me a different impression. Guess time will tell. Thank you.
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@Foxy:
We saw all the major Vice-Admirals in Film Z and none of them were promoted.
And I doubt there's any other Marine who strong enough to be an Admiral, because we would have seen them during Marineford.
Orlymaru? :ninja:
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Akainu is a fleet Admiral. He's not the owner, but he's damn well the CEO.
Nope. A WG CEO would be Kong or the guy who was talking with Doflamingo after the war.
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@Foxy:
We saw all the major Vice-Admirals in Film Z and none of them were promoted.
And I doubt there's any other Marine who strong enough to be an Admiral, because we would have seen them during Marineford.
So where was Vergo during Marineford ?
I'm sure plenty of marines had to stay in the New World to keep an eye on things.
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@Foxy:
We saw all the major Vice-Admirals in Film Z and none of them were promoted.
And I doubt there's any other Marine who strong enough to be an Admiral, because we would have seen them during Marineford.
Except for Bastille.
@CCC:Nope. Western navy naming convention is irrelevant here.
Fleet admiral = gensui. Admiral = taishou. Vice Admiral = Chujyou. The three have nothing in common semantically in Japanese.
Quick question (I have zero Japanese knowledge by the way).
Are Taishou and Taisa (like Captain T-Bone) connected in any way?
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I'm still calling it a mistake from Oda until we see possibly more Admirals.
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Are Taishou and Taisa (like Captain T-Bone) connected in any way?
Both are the kanji 大, or "big." When combined with -将 ("commander"), you get admiral/general, and when combined with -佐 ("helper") you get navy captain.
@Foxy:
I'm still calling it a mistake from Oda until we see possibly more Admirals.
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HAHA!!
Law got Dofla by the balls!!
Great chapter btw!
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@Foxy:
I'm still calling it a mistake from Oda until we see possibly more Admirals.
Oda probably has a chart with all (or most) of his characters. He remembered every VA when he drew the young marines (heck, he even remembered Bogart whom he didn't even give a name for). Also, Mozambia and Cancer somehow got into the movie along with two of the nameless Giant Squad members. "Forgetting" Bastille is hardly a coincidence.
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@CCC:
Both are the kanji 大, or "big." When combined with -将 ("commander"), you get admiral/general, and when combined with -佐 ("helper") you get navy captain.
Ah, I see. I always wanted to know this even since I somehow noticed it. Thank you! Also thank you for the translation, which always rocks! ~
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Well I think Sentoumaru is one and there's Kizaru. Maybe Garp got promoted?
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@CCC:
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Oda's made mistakes before, for example, Zoro's bounty was given at 160,000,000 when it's really 120,000,000.
