I'm not even going to look it up but no. That Croc page is NOT from Decks of the World, absolutely not. It is a random animal picture with 2 characters, don't confuse people.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Croc wasnt featured in that coverstory.
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it was the newspaper that croc was reading that I got confused on, my bad.
I thought he was reading of the SHa revival like others in that mini. I was mistakenI tried to fix it but was already yelled at, times 3
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No the suit seats would more likely be positions of power in the underworld, and Joker has the Heart seat…
Which could mean that Ace had something to do with the underworld.
Remember that Ace was born with his name.
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Remember that Ace was born with his name.
He is probably talking about the "SPADE" pirates.
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@Foxy:
Kaido is Bartholomew Kuma's Father or has some connection to him.
Kaido means "Chapel, Church, Synagogue, and/or Tabernacle" in Japanese. Kuma is always carrying around a bible.
On the island that is one of Kaido's favorites, the old lady has a cross in her drawer.
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Many people say that Kaido has a cyborg/religious theme, Kuma himself is a cyborg and appears to be religious as he is always carrying a bible.
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Also, Crocodile and Daz Bones seem to have either SMILE/minkmen henchmen.
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Hmmm… just a thought.
Moria and Kaidou are former rivals. Moria is 50 years old, so it's not out of question if Kaidou is roughly the same age. Had Kaidou been Kuma's father, he should be at the very least 65 years old. I don't think so, because having Kaidou around 50 years old, fits the idea of there being two Yonkou of the young generation (Shanks, 39 years old, and Kaidou, 50 years old) and two of the old generation (Whitebeard, 74 years old, and Big Mam who is likely around the same age).
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I might as well write my theory here too; well, two to be exact, but they're about the same person, who happens to be Bastille:
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My first theory is simple. I think he's the new Admiral IF there is one.
My reason to believe this is somewhat due to the new movie "Film Z" (which takes place after the time-skip). You see, every Vice-Admiral made an appearance: Tsuru, Doberman, Onigumo, Yamakaji etc. and the all seemed to be pretty much the same. Same clothes, same face and so on. However, we didn't see two Vice-Admirals, namely Vergo and Bastille. Now, Vergo, as we know it, is not an Admiral, but we don't quite know what rank Bastille is currently. This leads to my other "proof" or better yet reason… Bastille is somewhat of a "blank" character (shouldn't be mixed up with bland) whom with Oda can do almost anything. He hasn't talked, he hasn't been "shown in motion" at all (by this I mean he was always just standing there, not doing anything in particular), we only saw him beside/behind Strawberry each time and a little dirty-clothed at the end of the Marineford War. For all we know, he can be either one of those "not-so-special" VAs, like Mozambia or Cancer; or he can stand amongst the more refined ones like Doberman, Strawberry and Momonga.
Or, he can stronger than all of them.
That said, what he seems to lack so far is leading skills, which is what I figured was the reason that he stood by Strawberry every time and had no lines. Maybe he's more of a really strong soldier that can be utilized in fierce battles and such. Maybe the he is the kind of Admiral that the Marines needed after the resignation of Sengoku and Garp and the quitting of Kuzan. But now I'm just making things up~ Still, I stand by all my points until proven false (by Oda or by any of you).My next theory is about him as well, as I mentioned already.
It's about his horns.
Take a look at the picture above; you can see that after his introduction (or just appearance) in chapter 553, half of his right horn got torn off in the 576th chapter. A few chapters later (in the 580th) he has each of his horns without any sign of damage. When I noticed this, at first I thought it was just a little mistake on Oda's part (like forgetting Doberman's scars for one panel, or Ace's freckles), but after seeing the colorspread of chapter 691 (the young marines cover), I believe it's much more than that (see picture below).!
This suggests that the horns are like real ones, as in, they grew overtime etc., but that still doesn't explain the sudden regeneration. I suspect a devil-fruit or some kind of ability. In the case of the latter, it means that the horns are not just the part of Bastille's mask, but also him. Or the mask ate a devil-fruit and that's why it's acting that way. Or he's another strange species.Long story short: I think Bastille is the new Admiral and that his horn was indeed regenerated and that means some kind of devil-fruit or ability.
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I might as well write my theory here too; well, two to be exact, but they're about the same person, who happens to be Bastille:
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My first theory is simple. I think he's the new Admiral IF there is one.
My reason to believe this is somewhat due to the new movie "Film Z" (which takes place after the time-skip). You see, every Vice-Admiral made an appearance: Tsuru, Doberman, Onigumo, Yamakaji etc. and the all seemed to be pretty much the same. Same clothes, same face and so on. However, we didn't see two Vice-Admirals, namely Vergo and Bastille. Now, Vergo, as we know it, is not an Admiral, but we don't quite know what rank Bastille is currently. This leads to my other "proof" or better yet reason… Bastille is somewhat of a "blank" character (shouldn't be mixed up with bland) whom with Oda can do almost anything. He hasn't talked, he hasn't been "shown in motion" at all (by this I mean he was always just standing there, not doing anything in particular), we only saw him beside/behind Strawberry each time and a little dirty-clothed at the end of the Marineford War. For all we know, he can be either one of those "not-so-special" VAs, like Mozambia or Cancer; or he can stand amongst the more refined ones like Doberman, Strawberry and Momonga.
Or, he can stronger than all of them.
That said, what he seems to lack so far is leading skills, which is what I figured was the reason that he stood by Strawberry every time and had no lines. Maybe he's more of a really strong soldier that can be utilized in fierce battles and such. Maybe the he is the kind of Admiral that the Marines needed after the resignation of Sengoku and Garp and the quitting of Kuzan. But now I'm just making things up~ Still, I stand by all my points until proven false (by Oda or by any of you).My next theory is about him as well, as I mentioned already.
It's about his horns.
Take a look at the picture above; you can see that after his introduction (or just appearance) in chapter 553, half of his right horn got torn off in the 576th chapter. A few chapters later (in the 580th) he has each of his horns without any sign of damage. When I noticed this, at first I thought it was just a little mistake on Oda's part (like forgetting Doberman's scars for one panel, or Ace's freckles), but after seeing the colorspread of chapter 691 (the young marines cover), I believe it's much more than that (see picture below).! http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb324/SorcerersDragon/reviewpcis/bastille_zpsa5821b90.png
This suggests that the horns are like real ones, as in, they grew overtime etc., but that still doesn't explain the sudden regeneration. I suspect a devil-fruit or some kind of ability. In the case of the latter, it means that the horns are not just the part of Bastille's mask, but also him. Or the mask ate a devil-fruit and that's why it's acting that way. Or he's another strange species.Long story short: I think Bastille is the new Admiral and that his horn was indeed regenerated and that means some kind of devil-fruit or ability.
I doubt it, his horns were smaller in the marine color spread to show him when he was younger and more innocent. The more exaggerated horns are to show his growth and adulthood. He's just a generic background character of no real consequence.
And Kizaru is the only Admiral left, with Kuzan absent, and Akainu as the Fleet Admiral, which is why the World Government has given the Navy absolute power.
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@Foxy:
I doubt it, his horns were smaller in the marine color spread to show him when he was younger and more innocent. The more exaggerated horns are to show his growth and adulthood. He's just a generic background character of no real consequence.
And Kizaru is the only Admiral left, with Kuzan absent, and Akainu as the Fleet Admiral, which is why the World Government has given the Navy absolute power.
You didn't really prove me wrong. I still think something's up with those horns and that there's at least one new Admiral who, for better of for worse might be Bastille.
There are more things that say that it's logical to have 1 or 2 Admirals beside Borsalino.
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You didn't really prove me wrong. I still think something's up with those horns and that there's at least one new Admiral who, for better of for worse might be Bastille.
There are more things that say that it's logical to have 1 or 2 Admirals beside Borsalino.
No one ever said that their has to be 3 Admirals, and Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru are in a class of their own, so that's probably why I'm finding it difficult to see another Admiral.
Regarding Bastile, I don't think that there is anything suspicious about him, but I would like to see the Vice-Admirals be fleshed out and get more development but I don't know how likely that is.
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@Foxy:
No one ever said that their has to be 3 Admirals, and Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru are in a class of their own, so that's probably why I'm finding it difficult to see another Admiral.
Regarding Bastile, I don't think that there is anything suspicious about him, but I would like to see the Vice-Admirals be fleshed out and get more development but I don't know how likely that is.
That's true, but it's logical to have that many (3).
Akainu got promoted, Kuzan left. From civilian/regular pirate viewpoint, it means that there's one Fleet-Admiral and only one Admiral instead of three. Plus, Garp, a legendary marine hero stepped down as well (he's still teaching young marines but that's no the same). So it seems that the Marine lost great power after the war. It'd be the wisest to try to "cover it up", to make it seem that they're still as strong or even stronger than ever. So they promote the Vice-Admiral(s) who are most suited for the job and do that thing that was mentioned by Jinbe. This way, people outside the highest ranks of the Marine and the Gorosei think that the marines haven't weaken in the slightest. We know that the Elders do care about "looks" (when Sengoku freaked out that they didn't want to inform the world about the level 6 prisoners), so it makes sense.
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Yeah, there should be at least one more Admiral beside Kizaru and Akainu. People may disagree with this because they think there aren't any strong characters to fill that position, but seeing how a Vice-Admiral like Vergo wasn't even shown before I don't see why there won't be any stronger marines that Oda hasn't introduced yet.
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@Foxy:
No one ever said that their has to be 3 Admirals,
I never understood this argument. While it's true, no said there has to be 3 admirals and no one says there as to be 7 warlord, but you know what… it's called consistency.
Oda is developing a story and although he throws his curve balls, I've never seen him break the consistency of the story.
I can't see Oda having three admirals today only to have 4 or even 1 later in the story.
LA LA LAAAAAA. LA LA LA LA!(-Dearly Beloved)
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I never understood this argument. While it's true, no said there has to be 3 admirals and no one says there as to be 7 warlord, but you know what… it's called consistency.
Oda is developing a story and although he throws his curve balls, I've never seen him break the consistency of the story.
I can't see Oda having three admirals today only to have 4 or even 1 later in the story.
But there does have to be seven warlords, they are called the Shichibukai.
Just like the Yonko, Gorosei etc. I don't really see any need for there to always be Three Admirals.
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@Foxy:
But there does have to be seven warlords, they are called the Shichibukai.
Just like the Yonko, Gorosei etc. I don't really see any need for there to always be Three Admirals.
The way I see it, Oda will remain consistent.
The only way… only way... I can see Oda changing the Admiral structure is if it were effected due to change of the Marines these past two years. Who knows how much they've re organized and re arranged things over this time?
Hell, there may even be 4 admirals!
But… I'm 99% certain that it will stay as 3.
LA LA LAAAAAA. LA LA LA LA!(-Dearly Beloved)
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@Foxy:
But there does have to be seven warlords, they are called the Shichibukai.
Just like the Yonko, Gorosei etc. I don't really see any need for there to always be Three Admirals.
Well, Foxy proved a good point. There doesn't have to be three admirals, especially if Sakazuki's approach to the Marines makes them more bad ass.
You guys have no idea how excited I get to meet One Piece enthusiasts in real life! One Piece fans know how to live and love life!
My dream is that we can all enjoy Oda's message ofcamaraderie
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Well, Foxy proved a good point. There doesn't have to be three admirals, especially if Sakazuki's approach to the Marines makes them more bad ass.
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The way I see it, Oda will remain consistent.
The only way… only way... I can see Oda changing the Admiral structure is if it were effected due to change of the Marines these past two years. Who knows how much they've re organized and re arranged things over this time?
Hell, there may even be 4 admirals!
But… I'm 99% certain that it will stay as 3.
The only problem I have with there being more Admirals with Kizaru is that they don't fit in with him.
Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru only work when they are together or completely separate.
They are all based on the Momotaro Legend, all have there own color, all have Logias, are all the same height, all have faces based on a specific actor, etc. So it's wierd to imagine Kizaru with people like Momonga or Dobberman because they are too different.
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I like it, didn't notice the order fo the first letters before. Some will ask abotu lv 6 though. None of their prisioner numbers where shown were they? If they hadn't been shown, I think they they would have Z for 'zero'. Didn't Iva-chan said that lv 6 prisioners were 'to be forgotten by the world'?
Also, most do not know of the existance of lv 6, the average knowledge of Impel Dwon says that lv 5 is the lowest level.
The word 'zero' would signify that.Could be S, too. A lot of series use S-Class to refer to the next step up from Rank A.
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@Foxy:
The only problem I have with there being more Admirals with Kizaru is that they don't fit in with him.
Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru only work when they are together or completely separate.
They are all based on the Momotaro Legend, all have there own color, all have Logias, are all the same height, all have faces based on a specific actor, etc. So it's wierd to imagine Kizaru with people like Momonga or Dobberman because they are too different.
There were only two that we know of in Roger's time: Sengoku and Zephyr. Kong was the Fleet Admiral back then.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
There were only two that we know of in Roger's time: Sengoku and Zephyr. Kong was the Fleet Admiral back then.
With Sengoku & Zepher, there was a potential of a third admiral then in Roger's time.
Kong wanted to promote Garp from being a Vice Admiral to Admiral.
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Speaking of Kong, I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he has the Legendary Zoan Saru Saru no Mi: King Kong.
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@Foxy:
The only problem I have with there being more Admirals with Kizaru is that they don't fit in with him.
Akainu, Aokiji, and Kizaru only work when they are together or completely separate.
They are all based on the Momotaro Legend, all have there own color, all have Logias, are all the same height, all have faces based on a specific actor, etc. So it's wierd to imagine Kizaru with people like Momonga or Dobberman because they are too different.
So because it only works that way, the Gorosei/whoever won't promote anyone to Admiral. Because it hurts the style of the Admirals? So unless Kizaru dies and three random marines show up featuring some common theme they won't have new Admirals.
The actor/color/animal/Momotaro thing "died" with Kuzan leaving and Sakazuki becoming Fleet-Admiral. It was cool, but it's over.
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So because it only works that way, the Gorosei/whoever won't promote anyone to Admiral. Because it hurts the style of the Admirals? So unless Kizaru dies and three random marines show up featuring some common theme they won't have new Admirals.
The actor/color/animal/Momotaro thing "died" with Kuzan leaving and Sakazuki becoming Fleet-Admiral. It was cool, but it's over.
agreed. just like how the original WarLords had an animal theme. It was messed up when BB replaced Croc. Messed up even more with Law. It was a nice cool theme but that's all it was.
An admiral doesn't have to be a HUGE logia user with a color.
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agreed. just like how the original WarLords had an animal theme. It was messed up when BB replaced Croc. Messed up even more with Law. It was a nice cool theme but that's all it was.
An admiral doesn't have to be a HUGE logia user with a color.
Actually, Law still fits the theme. Law has a Tiger theme going. In fact, Luffy refers to Law as "Tora-fuga", or Tiger-guy.
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agreed. just like how the original WarLords had an animal theme. It was messed up when BB replaced Croc. Messed up even more with Law. It was a nice cool theme but that's all it was.
An admiral doesn't have to be a HUGE logia user with a color.
Bonney called him a Bearded-Pig when he captured her.
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Bonney called him a Bearded-Pig when he captured her.
Nice catch…..but....
That is not an animal theme though, its a disgusted comment on his chauvinistic ways. -
On the topic of Admirals as Nolus points out we havent seen Bastille's face yet, he could have the face of a famous japanese actor and fit in with the theme in that way (plus he is enormous).
My bet for a new admiral is a swordsman based on the actor Toshiro Mifune, he's a legendary japanese actor most famous for working with Japan's most famous director Akira Kurosawa. For an author like Eichiro Oda who often makes references to film (The admirals being an obvious case in point) introducing a sword weilding character based on probably Japan's most famous screen samurai seems like a likely move. Plus I've always been waiting for the marines to reveal there number one swordsman (I know that the WG have Mihawk but I'd be surprised if Zoro didn't have a legendary marine swordsman to go against).
I'd like something like this to happen but even if it doesnt I'm expecting a ton of Kurosawa references in Wano because he's my favourite Director, just imagine a One Piece version of Seven Samurai…ooh fangasm.
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@Foxy:
Bonney called him a Bearded-Pig when he captured her.
According to One Piece Wiki, BB represents a hippo.
Disclaimer EDIT: I'm NOT using OP wiki as a source. They only mentioned that he was a hippo on their Shichibukai page. This is NOT sourced and should only be considered as the concensused opinion it is.
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According to One Piece Wiki, BB represents a hippo.
I thought Blackbeard animal caricature was a Cerberus?
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According to One Piece Wiki, BB represents a hippo.
A hippo? Ehrm, it's kind of a stretch.
Friendly advice: take every information on the wiki with a grain of salt (outside of chapter numbers etc.).
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According to One Piece Wiki, BB represents a hippo.
According to One Piece Wiki, Monet is dead…so screw them.
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A hippo? Ehrm, it's kind of a stretch.
Friendly advice: take every information on the wiki with a grain of salt (outside of chapter numbers etc.).
That can be said of everywhere. This forum included.
@Foxy:According to One Piece Wiki, Monet is dead…so screw them.
Well that was an unnecessarily strong emotional response.
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That can be said of everywhere. This forum included.
Well that was an unnecessarily strong emotional response.
No matter what people say about Monet, she isn't confirmed dead.(she won't die anyway) They are really jumping the gun, and they are really unprofessional. So still, screw them.
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That can be said of everywhere. This forum included.
Yes, but if you want to prove a point, for example, then you're better off using the manga as a source (preferably a good translation).
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I wasn't using it as evidence, but merely another source of opinion.
Otherwise, I'd've linked to a specific article and source data. I will rain Plasma on your soul! Fear the power of logia!
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According to One Piece Wiki, BB represents a hippo.
Well I can say for certain at least that's never been stated in the manga
OP forums are usually pretty on top of SBS translations and Oda interviews so if it came from one of those I'm sure that information would have been well-spread by now
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I wasn't using it as evidence, but merely another source of opinion.
Otherwise, I'd've linked to a specific article and source data.I see what you mean.
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I know where the idea of "BB is represented by a hippo" came from…
its a figurine addition to the other figurines of Shs as animals. I am currently trying to find what line/group it was, but its the group based on Oda's art, one where Franky is a rhino and Usopp is a lizard (- sorry can't spell camlealion-see?)Anyways its just a merchandise ...not a fact.
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I see what you mean.
Although I see little reason to do so in my opinion. It's like "According to member A on Forum B/Site C this character represents a famous German actor"; it doesn't really add anything, except is said member is very reliable and provided good information more times etc.I suppose so. I just think everyone has a right to voice their opinion and equally everyone has a right to share their opinion at multiple locations.
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I suppose so. I just think everyone has a right to voice their opinion and equally everyone has a right to share their opinion at multiple locations.
But you only said that it was from the Wiki, you didn't mention it was your opinion as well. If you think so, then say it so. Of course each one of us has the right to have opinions and share them.
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But you only said that it was from the Wiki, you didn't mention it was your opinion as well. If you think so, then say it so. Of course each one of us has the right to have opinions and share them.
it's not my opinion. I mean sure I can slightly see the resemblance at times but I don't automatically think "oh it's a hippo" when I consider animal theme of Blackbeard. I suppose I could best describe it as putting a one word quote into a sentence. Akin to paraphrasing a claim as a rebuttal to an argument.
EDIT: This argument is pointless and getting this discussion nowhere. Nothing has been explicitly confirmed for BB so all we can do is speculate on said matter.
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Random theory, but if Monet is based on Betty Ross, maybe instead of her dying, the leaked SAD gas will turn her into something else.
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@Fire Fist:
Random theory, but if Monet is based on Betty Ross, maybe instead of her dying, the leaked SAD gas will turn her into something else.
She's not in the S.A.D. Room, but Vergo is. However, S.A.D. is useless without Doflamingo's Factory, so it won't do anything to Monet or Vergo unless they somehow get stuck in the factory and get turned into a SMILE Chimera, which I could see happening to Vergo.
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@Foxy:
She's not in the S.A.D. Room, but Vergo is. However, S.A.D. is useless without Doflamingo's Factory, so it won't do anything to Monet or Vergo unless they somehow get stuck in the factory and get turned into a SMILE Chimera, which I could see happening to Vergo.
Fair enough.
Two new theories: Vegapunk has discovered a way to extract DFs. Sengoku was a test subject for this. Related note: DFs cause you to live longer than normal, and not age as fast. Examples: Crane, who was already fairly old 22 years ago and is still very adept even now, and Brook, who, despite being a skeleton, has extremely healthy bones and agility for a 90 year old man. Those are the two oldest DF users in the series.
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@Fire Fist:
Fair enough.
Two new theories: Vegapunk has discovered a way to extract DFs. Sengoku was a test subject for this. Related note: DFs cause you to live longer than normal, and not age as fast. Examples: Crane, who was already fairly old 22 years ago and is still very adept even now, and Brook, who, despite being a skeleton, has extremely healthy bones and agility for a 90 year old man. Those are the two oldest DF users in the series.
I can see it and at the same time I can't. The reason being Edward Newgate.
He lived to be 72 (Chapter 577) and while still being agile enough to cause Marinefold lots of chaos, there were some mentions about how he was succumbing due to his wounds by Sakazuki and old age. Sure he didn't look the part of old fart but he subtly acted upon it. I will rain Plasma on your soul! Fear the power of logia!
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I can see it and at the same time I can't. The reason being Edward Newgate.
He lived to be 72 (Chapter 577) and while still being agile enough to cause Marinefold lots of chaos, there were some mentions about how he was succumbing due to his wounds by Sakazuki and old age. Sure he didn't look the part of old fart but he subtly acted upon it.Newgate is a perfect example for my theory. I don't think you understand the massive amount of damage that was required to take him down, nor the massive amount of damage he caused. He was stabbed and shot dozens of times, and even had half his face obliterated, and was still kicking. It took Blackbeard's crew and several haki-infused bullets to finally end it.
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@Fire Fist:
Newgate is a perfect example for my theory. I don't think you understand the massive amount of damage that was required to take him down, nor the massive amount of damage he caused. He was stabbed and shot dozens of times, and even had half his face obliterated, and was still kicking. It took Blackbeard's crew and several haki-infused bullets to finally end it.
add a life time of that on top of excessive drinking… seems legit. That'll teach Roger not have eaten one. Possibru the reason Luffy is "the one"
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@Fire Fist:
Newgate is a perfect example for my theory. I don't think you understand the massive amount of damage that was required to take him down, nor the massive amount of damage he caused. He was stabbed and shot dozens of times, and even had half his face obliterated, and was still kicking. It took Blackbeard's crew and several haki-infused bullets to finally end it.
That's all fine and dandy, and I do underatand how much damage it took to take him down. But that's only half the point. Yes, I am well aware of the fact that Whitebeard at his age is an epic character to tank all the damage he took and still destroy the area, but you make it sound as though he would live another 30+ years and have no effects of age whatsoever on his body, which, of course, is not true.
In addition to that, though the case is strange, Dr. Kureha has lived to be 139 or so and, so far as we know, she hasn't eaten a Devil Fruit.
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In addition to that, though the case is strange, Dr. Kureha has lived to be 139 or so and, so far as we know, she hasn't eaten a Devil Fruit.
But for all we know, she could have. We may never know the secret to her "youth"
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But for all we know, she could have. We may never know the secret to her "youth"
It's Happiness, according to Oda in an SBS.
