Not sure if this has been mentioned but is it just me or the old guy at the end who says DD went on his own reminiscent of one of the 5 Elder stars?
In all honesty, he reminds me 100times more of Garp than any of the elder stars :x
Not sure if this has been mentioned but is it just me or the old guy at the end who says DD went on his own reminiscent of one of the 5 Elder stars?
In all honesty, he reminds me 100times more of Garp than any of the elder stars :x
Isn't monet a logia user? Wouldn't that apply to her vital organs as well? or am I missing something. :S
@The:
I wonder if Doflamingo could have a bone-manipulation Paramecia. I mean…he's flying, and he jumped out a high window. Maybe he made his bones lightweight/hollow (like the bones of a bird, one of the key factors making them able to fly), therefore, making himself able to fly?
I like the idea, but how would that tie into him chopping off Oars Jr's leg? Wouldn't we have seen some kind of bone growth/alteration on either of them?
Dofla vs. Luffy/Law/Smokers/Sanji/Zoro
Sorry bros, I understand Dofla is supposed to be a beast, but he isn't some yonkou who can take on all these guys. I don't see him doing much damage to the crew. Maybe just going to insure he can get CC and get some quick form of revenge.
Many view Doflamingo as one of the strongest Shichibukai, and rightfully so: his former bounty is extremely high, and he exitted the War with barely a scratch on him. This is the same guy that got blown away by Crocodile!
He underestimated Law, Luffy, and the others, but he can control people so easily…....then again, that's why I don't want everyone to face him so early:
-Have him sweep the Straw Hats, it belittles the two-year training so soon
-Have him struggle against the opposition, it underwhelms him as a villain
Isn't monet a logia user? Wouldn't that apply to her vital organs as well? or am I missing something. :S
She probably can't transform if she doesn't predict attack beforehand.
Big Mam's wrath is still a glaring plot thread, and including Doflamingo and his minions in the radar of the Straw Hats would only jumble everything up. Unless of course, the two of them are in cahoots
If it wasn't said already…
DoFlamingo told Disco to keep the auction house, Smiles are what's in. He's a broker for them.
We saw some evidence earlier (talk of her "beasts", and the talking lion/turtle in her crew) that she may be the one these are going to.
Caesar also talked about connections, although a little more vaguely.
But DoFlamingo is probably selling those artificial zoan fruits (smiles) to Big Mam.
Not important or 100% stated straight-out, but just worth a mention
@Formation:
Yeah show me where Doflamingo harmed Jozu.. because that never happened.
What does it matter if he harmed him or not? He still made him his bitch. Jozu for all his power, for his Haki, for actually being able to stad up to an admiral he was utterly helpless against Dofla.
If it wasn't said already…
DoFlamingo told Disco to keep the auction house, Smiles are what's in. He's a broker for them.
We saw some evidence earlier (talk of her "beasts", and the talking lion/turtle in her crew) that she may be the one these are going to.
Caesar also talked about connections, although a little more vaguely.
But DoFlamingo is probably selling those artificial zoan fruits (smiles) to Big Mam.
Not important or 100% stated straight-out, but just worth a mention
Eh…..even then, I'm not a fan of the idea of the two of them working together.
Mainly because.....taking out a Yonkou is a serious challenge. Taking out a Shichibukai is also a serious challenge. Both situations demand seperate focus, in my opinion.
Most definitely.
http://adiumxtras.com/images/pictures/angrybirdspig_1_19479_8004_image_12429.gif
I guess we are having too much fun with this.
Doflamingo never ceases to scare me.
man that ms translation is clunky as hell wasn't really wirth the wait…
To you guys discussing about Doflamingo controlling more than one people at a time, i think that more relevant moment about that in the story was the scene he controlled Bellamy and Sarquiss, keeping Bellamy in his place while using sarquiss to slice him up.
Its by the way nice to see that more screentime Dofla gets, the more he takes his place among my top-favorite-characters. His character is so well-build as the story have progressed.
To you guys discussing about Doflamingo controlling more than one people at a time, i think that more relevant moment about that in the story was the scene he controlled Bellamy and Sarquiss, keeping Bellamy in his place while using sarquiss to slice him up.
Its by the way nice to see that more screentime Dofla gets, the more he takes his place among my top-favorite-characters. His character is so well-build as the story have progressed.
Still don't know about that one.
(Yes… I'm about to use the anime as an example)
When I look at this video, Bellamy isn't even moving (as you pointed out).. he's just standing still. So that's really NOT a good indication that he's being controlled
Of course then there's the obvious question: Why would he just stand there? Why not escape?
LOL as if he could run from Dofla. Bellamy is just taking his punishment, probably praying that he won't die during it.
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Many view Doflamingo as one of the strongest Shichibukai, and rightfully so: his former bounty is extremely high,
Bounties don't tell us anything about the strength of an active Shichibukai tho. I remember someone saying that being considered at a low bounty, or even after their first raid (Hancock), is probably even more impressive than joining later on. I do believe that bounty plays a role in judging someones overall threat for the government, but the Warlords are an obvious exception.
and he exitted the War with barely a scratch on him. This is the same guy that got blown away by Crocodile![[/quote]
This is a weird point I hear a lot, maybe because it is stated multiple times on the One Piece Wikia?Sure he remained unscathed, but people always forget that Doflamingo never stood up against the really dangerous figures of the war, namely Whitebeard and the Admirals. Characters who simply play in their own league. I mean lets be honest here: he ganged up on Oars with the other active Shichibukai, he clashed with Crocodile on more or less equal terms, he stopped Jozu. Incredible feats for sure, but it's beyond me how people can conclude anything major from that.
Of course we don't have to argue about his ability, it's obviously extremely powerful, but really nothing suggests that he can take on Law, Luffy, Smoker, Zoro, Sanji all at once. So yeah, agreeing with Darkestsith here.
Okay, best summary ever.
If Dofla arrives, fights and wins. The story is over at worst and at best, the fight is for nowt.
If Dofla arrives just a tad too late and everyone is gone, then it'll make an interesting lead up to the arc they go against him.
Having a crew member kidnapped would be super lame, we've seen it already with CP9.
Did no one notice that Vergo died too?After Doflamingo bid him farewell the SAD room exploded
I think beating Caesar and DoFlamingo, who supply Big Mam with the artificial zoan fruits, will be what leads into the beating-big-mam arc (whether right away or otherwise), since it'll obviously piss her off (more); which Law and Caesar alluded to (seperately).
Then Nami can be like, "Hey, we gave you exploding treasure, kept you from getting any candy, and destroyed your supply of smile fruits, but I have this card that leads to someone who's probably your daughter. I'll give it to you if you'll be nice from now on." And she will.
… Okay so I don't know where Nami's card fits in yet.
Bounties don't tell us anything about the strength of an active Shichibukai tho. I remember someone saying that being considered at a low bounty, or even after their first raid (Hancock), is probably even more impressive than joining later on. I do believe that bounty plays a role in judging someones overall threat for the government, but the Warlords are an obvious exception.
Oh yes, I know. But at the very least, the government perceieves him as a very formidable threat. And I personally think that lies in part of Doflamingo's power….he seems to manually control everyone without any real effort or struggle.....the page you posted even showed him toying with that Marine with a dopey grin on his face.
Even if Doflamingo can't kick buildings down with a single kick, soru all over the place, or use Haki.....the very fact that he can take away anyone's m_o_vement is a dangerous fact indeed.
Sure he remained unscathed, but people always forget that Doflamingo never stood up against the really dangerous figures of the war, namely Whitebeard and the Admirals. Characters who simply play in their own league. I mean lets be honest here: he ganged up on Oars with the other active Shichibukai, he clashed with Crocodile on more or less equal terms, he stopped Jozu. Incredible feats for sure, but it's beyond me how people can conclude anything major from that.
Fair enough. 'Twas an oversight on my part.
_> Of course we don't have to argue about his ability, it's obviously extremely powerful, but really nothing suggests that he can take on Law, Luffy, Smoker, Zoro, Sanji all at once. So yeah, agreeing with Darkestsith here.[/quote[/COLOR]]
Ha, now that I think about it…..it's more who was suggested that bugged me. Luffy/Zoro/Law/Sanji/Smoker fighting means everyone else doesn't get to contribute._
Well to Monet once again… I think her character is done for and we want see much of her in the last chapters.
Still I have some question... As I mentioned before... There is stilly the mistery why she let herself change into a harpy... This chapter we have seen her normal once again so it was Law... Yeah I know the easy argument she just wanted to fly... But maybe somewhere her awesome true legs are lying <3...
No seriously... I just want to know that
And another thing... Was it ever explained now who has thrown the damn paper at Chopper and why Monet did nothing after spotting him
I think the most we can hope for is a snatch-and-grab. Joker can't fight Luffy and co singlehandedly but he does have an advantage now that we know he's able to "fly" over water like that. So maybe a brief encounter/exchange with law and/or Luffy. Joker has shown hes incredibly cunning, he has alot of tricks up his sleeves so he's confident he can grab Ceasar and get away with it. I highly doubt he plans on a prolonged fight. Afterall, he's not stupid.
Oh yes, I know. But at the very least, the government perceieves him as a very formidable threat. And I personally think that lies in part of Doflamingo's power….he seems to manually control everyone without any real effort or struggle.....the page you posted even showed him toying with that Marine with a dopey grin on his face.
Yeah indeed, of course his ability is amazing. But Law's and Luffy's are as well…thats my point really. It's hax vs. hax!!
Ha, now that I think about it…..it's more who was suggested that bugged me. Luffy/Zoro/Law/Sanji/Smoker fighting means everyone else doesn't get to contribute.
Well, I was just thinking, what about a proper all out mindfuck-fight? Doflamingo controls Law and Luffy and lets both captains fight the crews.
Luffy vs. The Heart Pirates
Law vs. the Straw Hats
Both crews would obviously hold back on their own captain, but what about the alliance stranger they met a few hours ago? It would certainly suit his wicked character.
Anyone else think it looked like Vergo was crying in his last panel? Or am I just mistaking that for blood?
Would be interesting if Dofl starts to escape with Caesar, then a stream of water shoots up from under him, the seawater dragging him down and leaving him powerless.
Jimbei appears.
Vergo will survive and he will fight Sanji when the Strawhats Vs Doflamingo pirates clash.. Vergo with a burnt face or a burnt body Vs Sanji and Sanji will add more burn on Vergo.
Why I think that Vergo is alive is cuz he can do full body armament haki cuz his body are chopped up doesn't mean he can't still cover himself with haki.
Did no one notice that Vergo died too?After Doflamingo bid him farewell the SAD room exploded
Vergo was a good subordinate, but what about the poor den den mushi?! Why nobody worries about the poor snail!
Neither Vergo nor Monet are done for. Both are new characters introduced in this very arc, having funny quirks and apparently interesting backgrounds. Killing the two of them so early without any of the questions regarding them answered simply isn't Oda's style. Vergo could coat his separated body parts in Busoshoku Haki and that way survive the explosion (as if explosions could harm OP characters, right Pell?). And Monet… this one's tough, I give you that. Having your heart stabbed by an icicle isn't something one can easily shrug off. Gonna let myself get surprised by Oda on this one.
Monet dying leaves me torn, much like the possiblity of Kinemon dying. Only here….
-If Oda makes Monet live, than we might as well forget about anybody dying. She got stabbed in the heart, which would logically make anyone bleed out fast, right? It's one thing to have your chest gruesomely cut open and bleeding yet pull through, but......the organ itself was damaged. It's a dark way for an OP character to die, and you all might be saying "well Pell survived the bomb" but there was no scene showing him emerging from the explosion directly after, going "I'm okay, just a flesh wound". How do you follow up collapsing in pain after being stabbed in the heart?
It's possible Caesar catches a glimpse of the alive Smoker and realizes he attacked the wrong heart, but I wager not only would it be too late to do anything, Caesar would have no means to repair the wound. He's lying on the ground bloody and defeated, and healing people is not exactly his speciality.
-If Oda makes Monet die…..well, I may have not cared for her, but like KiShiDo said, there's still a mystery or two surrounding her. Why did she get her wings, exactly? How did she join up with Doflamingo? Looking at Ace and Whitebeard, they both died in rather.....graphic ways?....but at least we knew plenty of facts regarding the both of them. Why? Simple, Oda hates killing off people for no good reason.
But then again.....it's the damn New World, and the stakes for everyone have been raised. I await the outcome.
Yeah indeed, of course his ability is amazing. But Law's and Luffy's are as well…thats my point really. It's hax vs. hax!!
Well, who wants to see a hax on hax battle, lol?
Well, I was just thinking, what about a proper all out mindfuck-fight? Doflamingo controls Law and Luffy and lets both captains fight the crews.
Luffy vs. The Heart Pirates
Law vs. the Straw Hats
Both crews would obviously hold back on their own captain, but what about the alliance stranger they met a few hours ago? It would certainly suit his wicked character.
I really love this idea. A perfect way to diverge the direct fight with Doflamingo and a chance for Oda to build up his threat level.
Neither Vergo nor Monet are done for. Both are new characters introduced in this very arc, having funny quirks and apparently interesting backgrounds. Killing the two of them so early without any of the questions regarding them answered simply isn't Oda's style. Vergo could coat his separated body parts in Busoshoku Haki and that way survive the explosion (as if explosions could harm OP characters, right Pell?). And Monet… this one's tough, I give you that. Having your heart stabbed by an icicle isn't something one can easily shrug off. Gonna let myself get surprised by Oda on this one.
Why can't you people just accept Character deaths in OP?The Pell thing was 12 years ago.
I guess Monet could survive if she was working with law and is faking her death to get away from Doflomingo.
Remember that weird planet looking thing that sucked up Capone? Maybe Doflo is attaching his strings to that planet and is swinging spiderman style island to island. It's possible that Doflo has strings attached to every island he's ever been to and is simply pulling himself to the islands. If you could find where it's attached it might be possible to dunk him in the ocean by untying the string. heh.
I guess Monet could survive if she was working with law and is faking her death to get away from Doflomingo.
Remember that weird planet looking thing that sucked up Capone? Maybe Doflo is attaching his strings to that planet and is swinging spiderman style island to island. It's possible that Doflo has strings attached to every island he's ever been to and is simply pulling himself to the islands. If you could find where it's attached it might be possible to dunk him in the ocean by untying the string. heh.
Wouldn't make sense 'pretending' her heart was being stabbed when there was absolutely no one in the room to see her, and she wouldn't have known what CC was doing so far away too.
Also, the heart stabbing must somehow work against Logia; CC would have known he'd stab a heart that turned into smoke…
A perfect way to diverge the direct fight with Doflamingo and a chance for Oda to build up his threat level.
Exactly!
And hey, all this beautiful buildup shouldn't go to waste.
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Hitting your own crewmembers is what you hate the most? Don't knock it till you try it!
As for Monet dying, I just can't see it. It's not like no one dies in One Piece, it's that people only die meaningful deaths. Her line to Dofla was touching, but not on a Belmere/Hiriluk/Whitebeard level. My guess is that she will be saved somehow, at least I have no doubt that Law could fix her if he wanted to.
Why can't you people just accept Character deaths in OP?The Pell thing was 12 years ago.
It's not that the "nay sayers" don't accept death, it's just that we believe the characters aren't going to die. Why? Because One Piece has been here for a long time, and since this time we've seen that Oda isn't a kill joy kind of mangaka.
We've learned that death of a character is a slim to none chance
Monet dying leaves me torn, much like the possiblity of Kinemon dying. Only here….
-If Oda makes Monet live, than we might as well forget about anybody dying. She got stabbed in the heart, which would logically make anyone bleed out fast, right? It's one thing to have your chest gruesomely cut open and bleeding yet pull through, but......the organ itself was damaged. It's a dark way for an OP character to die, and you all might be saying "well Pell survived the bomb" but there was no scene showing him emerging from the explosion directly after, going "I'm okay, just a flesh wound". How do you follow up collapsing in pain after being stabbed in the heart?
It's possible Caesar catches a glimpse of the alive Smoker and realizes he attacked the wrong heart, but I wager not only would it be too late to do anything, Caesar would have no means to repair the wound. He's lying on the ground bloody and defeated, and healing people is not exactly his speciality.
It's Law's (and Chopper's).
When the group reach Caesar, they will find next to him a stabbed heart.
I see 3 scenario :
Also, the heart stabbing must somehow work against Logia, or else CC would have been stabbing a heart that turned into smoke…
There's a simple reason why Monet's heart didn't turn into snow:
Exactly!
And hey, all this beautiful buildup shouldn't go to waste.!
Hitting your own crewmembers is what you hate the most? Don't knock it till you try it!
Wow, that would be a mindfuck.
As for Monet dying, I just can't see it. It's not like no one dies in One Piece, it's that people only die meaningful deaths. Her line to Dofla was touching, but not on a Belmere/Hiriluk/Whitebeard level. My guess is that she will be saved somehow, at least I have no doubt that Law could fix her if he wanted to.
Good point. I have no idea why Law would want to fix Monet, but who knows how the guy operates.
It's Law's (and Chopper's).
When the group reach Caesar, they will find next to him a stabbed heart.
I see 3 scenario :
- It's too late : Monet is dead
- It's not too late and Law doesn't do anything
- It's not too late and Law operate her heart to save her life (my prediction)
Well, Chopper would probably want to focus on saving Mocha and treating the kids, but like I said above…..if Law wanted to do it fine, but who knows what he'll do.
If Oda was going to keep Monet alive, Caesar should have squished the heart and then passed out/got hit by Franky's battle. Same effect without such a deffinitive air.
Also, Monet can still be developed through Doflamingo.
Monet could also get a heart transplant. She would remain a snow woman but her new heart might not be able to transform into snow. Or would it?
Or she could just simply remain dead rather than get a new lease on life. Someone needs to donate a heart. Is anyone on Arlong Park a organ donar?
If Oda was going to keep Monet alive, Caesar should have squished the heart and then passed out/got hit by Franky's battle. Same effect without such a deffinitive air.
Also, Monet can still be developed through Doflamingo.
I've always hated when someone develops characters post mortem. Make us care for them when they were alive in story, not after we know they won't ever return or matter again.
Again, if we had a reason to care about Monet then I'd be fine with it, but this seems like way too early, given the nothing we know.
You're havin a laugh. Luffy has gotten stronger, but he's not THAT strong. DoFlamingo is a monster, he could take them all out on his own if need be, as well turning them on 1 another, making them fight and kill each other.
And oh hell yeah, the Don is coming - that last panel was freaking awesome.
I think Don will show up and they will fight and we will finally see how strong the strawhats have become. With Law and Smoker on their side unless he has an ability that goes beyond controlling people they can take him for sure. However something will happen to interrupt the fight and it'll continue later. If Don does have an ability that goes beyond controlling people and then i think he'll capture them, take them to another island, have a huge exposition dump that explains a ton of crap and then it'll be escape, rematch, Strawhats win.
Good point. I have no idea why Law would want to fix Monet, but who knows how the guy operates.
Haha, I see what you did there.
Well, he saved Luffy for whatever reason, and it's not like bonds mean that much to him anyway. So if he fixes her up and lets her join his crew it wouldn't be a "next nakama" thing, but just another helpful addition to achieve his goals. Just like Jean Bart. At least I would want her on my side if I had the choice, even if she is a crazy bitch.
And I think Law even acknowledged her a while back, at least I remember that he called Caesar a moron and that he only ended up in his prison due to his awesome secretary.
Edit: Ah, here
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From mangapanda
Oda only kills characters when it's important to character development/world development/plot development. Monet dying…well...really isn't important to any of those, so basically, I can't see her being dead. She's not a Whitebeard, an Ace, Dr. Hiluluk etc.
@CCC:
It's surprising because Dofla was always about "the age of dreams is over"; the antithesis to BB's "Mens' dream will never die!" and becoming Pirate King by finding One Piece is pretty much the most grandiose "dream" out there.
For Dofla it is. Dofla has been introduced as a character who is against "Roger and Luffy's" ideals of what a pirate is. Hence the whole "Start of a new Era of pirates". I was under the impression that Dofla didn't believe in the One Piece and was involved in piracy solely for the money and the power.
I never understood why everyone think that Doflamingo is against Roger´s and Luffy´s ideals and I never read anything about him saying that "the age of dreams" is over either. Did I miss anything? I only recall him saying that the age of the weak ones is over and that the new era is coming, where only the best pirates can survive. But never a word against dreamers.
We only know about Bellamy that he hates dreamers, but that doesn´t necassarily means that Doflamingo hates dreamers.
It's not that the "nay sayers" don't accept death, it's just that we believe the characters aren't going to die. Why? Because One Piece has been here for a long time, and since this time we've seen that Oda isn't a kill joy kind of mangaka. We've learned that death of a character is a slim to none chance
Getting stabbed in the heart and being blown up aren't exactly things you can survive,on top of that they're in a building that's about to crush them.Even if she was alive if she can get owned by Tashigi with 1 cut she isn't surviving that.Vergo accepted his death,he thought an explosion was about to happen From Monet's explosion.He was glad to die for Doflamingo,so why would he put his guard up?Law even admitted that they'd all die from getting crushed,if they couldn't survive why would Monet or Vergo? This is the New world where people are gonna die.Kinemon is the only exception so far.
@OPF:
I never understood why everyone think that Doflamingo is against Roger´s and Luffy´s ideals and I never read anything about him saying that "the age of dreams" is over either. Did I miss anything? I only recall him saying that the age of the weak ones is over and that the new era is coming, where only the best pirates can survive. But never a word against dreamers.
We only know about Bellamy that he hates dreamers, but that doesn´t necassarily means that Doflamingo hates dreamers.
Yeah Dofa is more of a natural selectionn guy, "out with the weak, in with the strong. "
@OPF:
I never understood why everyone think that Doflamingo is against Roger´s and Luffy´s ideals and I never read anything about him saying that "the age of dreams" is over either. Did I miss anything? I only recall him saying that the age of the weak ones is over and that the new era is coming, where only the best pirates can survive. But never a word against dreamers.
We only know about Bellamy that he hates dreamers, but that doesn´t necassarily means that Doflamingo hates dreamers.
Watch this video please.
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She should be dead, I understand why she should have absoultley no chance in hell of living through this…. but she's going to, but there's no point arguing about who's right this early in the game
Getting stabbed in the heart and being blown up aren't exactly things you can survive,on top of that they're in a building that's about to crush them.Even if she was alive if she can get owned by Tashigi with 1 cut she isn't surviving that.Vergo accepted his death,he thought an explosion was about to happen From Monet's explosion.He was glad to die for Doflamingo,so why would he put his guard up?Law even admitted that they'd all die from getting crushed,if they couldn't survive why would Monet or Vergo? This is the New world where people are gonna die.Kinemon is the only exception so far.
From a logical point of view that's certainly true. But you may not forget that this is One Piece. Oda will not kill off a character without leaving a huge impact and that wasn't the case with Monet. She will survive and so will Vergo.
Haha, I see what you did there.
Lol that wasn't intentional
Well, he saved Luffy for whatever reason, and it's not like bonds mean that much to him anyway. So if he fixes her up and lets her join his crew it wouldn't be a "next nakama" thing, but just another helpful addition to achieve his goals. Just like Jean Bart. At least I would want her on my side if I had the choice, even if she is a crazy bitch.
And I think Law even acknowledged her a while back, at least I remember that he called Caesar a moron and that he only ended up in his prison due to his awesome secretary.
Very true. It's not like the Straw Hats will want anything to do with her, so Monet's only options are to die…..or get saved by Law at the very last second.
@OPF:
We only know about Bellamy that he hates dreamers, but that doesn´t necassarily means that Doflamingo hates dreamers.
Watch this video please.
That's another thing that confuses me. Doflamingo's all about the age of smiles, that dreams are done…...yet he wants to be Pirate King, a personal dream for a handful of other characters? The only thing I can think of is that he wants the title in a ironic-mocking sense, and to get rid of the physical treasure of One Piece (if it is) to personally destroy the ambitions of people like Luffy, Blackbeard, etc.
Crazy I know.....but it's a real gray area.
From a logical point of view that's certainly true. But you may not forget that this is One Piece. Oda will not kill off a character without leaving a huge impact and that wasn't the case with Monet. She will survive and so will Vergo.
Since when did Oda ever state that?"This is One Piece" is not a logical answer.If "This is One Piece" was the answer for everything,No one would die ever,not even fodder or flashback characters.I'm done with this for now,we'll just have to see.