Looking at it, it appears to just be what I said, and also cropped into 16:9. I'm no good at making them but it would be great if someone could make a comparison to see if they're manually panned-and-scanned or just center-cropped.
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Looking at it, it appears to just be what I said, and also cropped into 16:9. I'm no good at making them but it would be great if someone could make a comparison to see if they're manually panned-and-scanned or just center-cropped.
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@Chibi:
http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/onep/news.html
video preview of the "high-definition" that looks like not reanimated at all :/ ….. i hope it's just not a ugly upscale -_-"
What did you expect ? It's Toei Animation we are talking about. The laziest studio i've ever seen. -__-
You guys are completely crazy if you thought even for a second you'd be seeing re-animated material. Toei never promised that, all they said is that they'd be re-airing One Piece, which is exactly what they're doing. The High-Resolution thing could've meant anything but obviously not new animation or HD.
It doesn't even have to do with being cheap, I'd rather they spend their time and money on making the newer episodes look nice instead of the old ones.
I was right, it is simply the size of the episodes which are bigger and in version HD.
In 16:9 it' s much better, I' m satisfied !
I was right, it is simply the size of the episodes which are bigger and in version HD.
In 16:9 it' s much better, I' m satisfied !
The video is not bigger. The video is actually seriously cramped because they cropped the top and bottom of it.
The earlier stuff wasn't very well animated, in fact, it was rarely animated… there was a lot of panning and corner cutting in the earliest episodes.
Funny that you should say that, because that's how I feel about the newest episodes that are airing. It seems like 90% of the animation is just mouthflaps, still screens and panning. I don't remember the earlier episodes being that severe, but that's just me. :ninja:
@Mikey:
The video is not bigger. The video is actually seriously cramped because they cropped the top and bottom of it.
Funny that you should say that, because that's how I feel about the newest episodes that are airing. It seems like 90% of the animation is just mouthflaps, still screens and panning. I don't remember the earlier episodes being that severe, but that's just me. :ninja:
Toei is always cutting corners. beginning,middle or end of a series.
Nothing new
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I was right, it is simply the size of the episodes which are bigger and in version HD.
In 16:9 it' s much better, I' m satisfied !
It's not HD. Again, HD masters for those episodes do not exist. It's an upscale, which really makes no difference in terms of quality. This really isn't hard to understand.
Well, I guess this is nice for flashbacks.
@Mikey:
Funny that you should say that, because that's how I feel about the newest episodes that are airing. It seems like 90% of the animation is just mouthflaps, still screens and panning. I don't remember the earlier episodes being that severe, but that's just me. :ninja:
Up through probably Arlong Park or later they cut corners so bad it was basically a glorified stills slides at times. Often they just show the first frame of the action, a flash, then what would typically be the last frame and play and SFX.
Watch Luffy's first Gum Gum Rocket. When he lets go of the mast there's a flash and a static shot of him punching. It just feels like its moving because the frame shakes and there's sound. The fight with Morgan and his men has some glaring examples. The shot of soldiers running at them is just a static shot they shook. Morgan taking off his coat was two frames. The falling coat to the ground was just a South Park level cut out shot. You also don't see Zoro draw his swords. There is just a flash and he's in that blocking pose with barely any change.
I love the early episodes don't get me wrong, but sometimes nostalgia goggles make us miss things like this.
It's not HD. Again, HD masters for those episodes do not exist. It's an upscale, which really makes no difference in terms of quality. This really isn't hard to understand.
To be fair, it does make a difference in quality, but only because something that's actually encoded like that is going to look better that what your player does in real time. Of course, broadcast TV is probably more compressed than the DVDs, so it'll look worse. (And being cropped makes it look cramped as hell, but that wasn't the debate.)
You guys are completely crazy if you thought even for a second you'd be seeing re-animated material. Toei never promised that, all they said is that they'd be re-airing One Piece, which is exactly what they're doing. The High-Resolution thing could've meant anything but obviously not new animation or HD.
It doesn't even have to do with being cheap, I'd rather they spend their time and money on making the newer episodes look nice instead of the old ones.
Yes. It's such a ridiculous expectation, that it's funny. As if any studio completely reanimates series for a simple rerun.
@Mikey:
Funny that you should say that, because that's how I feel about the newest episodes that are airing. It seems like 90% of the animation is just mouthflaps, still screens and panning. I don't remember the earlier episodes being that severe, but that's just me. :ninja:
It's just you. Since the change to widescreen and HD, the animation got much better, there's no arguing about that.
For those thinking the image is bigger, it's really just cropped, as others have said already.
For the image to really be "bigger," there would need to be added stuff on the sides of the existing 4:3 image. I must admit though that cropped or not, just being in 16:9 at all looks nicer because it has a certain 'high quality,' "movie" feel to it, though I'm weird so don't mind me.
And for the poorly animated stuff, One Piece was new and just getting started at the time, so I'm not surprised that Toei decided to play it safe with the animation by corner-cutting, functional "suggested motion," and using eye tricks. Though with all that said, I still personally think that the first opening itself has more complex animation than alot of other stuff seen even today in the series; the way the characters and backgrounds move so fluidly as if you're watching a flip book- hnnnnnnggeeks out. If the first opening was reanimated for this new airing, especially by whoever it was who animated that smooth and shiny fight sequence in We Go, that would be enough for me, heck, it'd make my year. wishful thinking
It's just you. Since the change to widescreen and HD, the animation got much better, there's no arguing about that.
This is true overall however. Didn't wanna make it seem like I was giving the older eps more credit than they should be given.
One thing I miss from the earlier water 7 and Foxy eps though, was the use of colors and shading, you could tell the animators were new at the widescreen thing and were giving everything an almost "movie" level of extra gloss that almost reminded me of Movie 4 at times. It's understandable that they dialed it down though, 'was probably extra expensive to do.
Up through probably Arlong Park or later they cut corners so bad it was basically a glorified stills slides at times. Often they just show the first frame of the action, a flash, then what would typically be the last frame and play and SFX.
Watch Luffy's first Gum Gum Rocket. When he lets go of the mast there's a flash and a static shot of him punching. It just feels like its moving because the frame shakes and there's sound. The fight with Morgan and his men has some glaring examples. The shot of soldiers running at them is just a static shot they shook. Morgan taking off his coat was two frames. The falling coat to the ground was just a South Park level cut out shot. You also don't see Zoro draw his swords. There is just a flash and he's in that blocking pose with barely any change.
Oh man, you're right. I had completely forgotten about those, especially the shot with the soldiers running at Luffy, Zoro and Coby. It sure has been a while, heh…
It's just you. Since the change to widescreen and HD, the animation got much better, there's no arguing about that.
I used to think that, but I believe around the time the anime reached Amazon Lily (or something around there), the animation to me just started to seem… "stiff." :wassat: Don't get me wrong, I loved the animation in the Foxy and Water Seven/CP9 arcs, but it just started to seem much lazier than usual after that.
The animation quality overall has gone up since the Sabo flashback. Heck, even the guy who's arguably the worst and most bland Animation Director to work on One Piece has gotten better since Marineford since he's had some nicer animators to work with.
@Mikey:
I used to think that, but I believe around the time the anime reached Amazon Lily (or something around there), the animation to me just started to seem… "stiff." :wassat: Don't get me wrong, I loved the animation in the Foxy and Water Seven/CP9 arcs, but it just started to seem much lazier than usual after that.
Amazon Lily and parts of Impel Down weren't great, but it was still better - and a lot less "stiff"- than the earlier stuff.
And like Maron said, since the Sabo flashback both art/animation have been pretty good and consistent. There's just no comparison to how OP looked 13 years ago.
You should do what I did. Over the summer I was watching some of the dubbed Alabasta episodes (namely, the fights in Alubarna), and then watched the latest episode (498 or 499 I think). The difference was night and day, let me tell you. A lot of the older material did not age well at all.
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Hell, you don't even have to go back that far. Just check out the Lucci fight on Youtube. Apart from the segments animated by Tate, Ishizuka, and to a lesser extend Shida, the art looks very stiff and it's clear that the animators aren't exactly busting their humps over that material.
Looking at it, it appears to just be what I said, and also cropped into 16:9. I'm no good at making them but it would be great if someone could make a comparison to see if they're manually panned-and-scanned or just center-cropped.
! http://i.imgur.com/W6oWJ.png
! http://i.imgur.com/ssbYF.png
Yeah, just cropped. Maybe upscaled, but it really doesn't seem worth anyone's time except those that must have their shows filling their widescreen TVs.
I wonder if they'll get a new opening?
I guess there won't be a new opening for One Piece. And I would be happy with it this way. There is just no opening which could fit better for the start than "We Are".
I wonder if they'll get a new opening?
Nothing is changed from the original episodes aside from the fact that it's cropped and upscaled. The whole point of this is to "Re-Air" the episodes.
@OPF:
I guess there won't be a new opening for One Piece. And I would be happy with it this way. There is just no opening which could fit better for the start than "We Are".
LOL not like they were going to anyway.
Due to always being cheap,and not caring. Plus this is after all a rerun
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@Chibi:
- no filtering applied at all
I don't think you want them to.
LOL not like they were going to anyway.
Due to always being cheap,and not caring. Plus this is after all a rerun
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Again, they're RE-AIRING these episodes. How is this them being cheap if they don't want to waste money on a new opening for something they are re-airing?
What would've been the point, to hear people complain about how the "new" animation isn't as good as the "old" animation?
Just for fun, here are some cropping comparisons. The new ones actually do look a tad sharper, though nothing mind-blowing, and certainly nothing you would mistake for native HD.
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Full size:
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! http://i.imgur.com/KW47n.jpg
So, a crop and upscale job then. lol.
Yeah, so nothing much else to discuss. I've heard the new episodes aren't as graphic as the old ones. Does anyone think they might censor these?
Did anyone seriously expect them not to crop the picture?
I'm pretty sure all Japanese tv has to be in 16:9 now.
Just look at DB Kai. Masters are in 4:3 (of course), aired in cropped 16:9 (like One Piece)
Also I'm sure early One Piece was animated in SD anyway. Would there be any point at all in a HD upscale?
Yeah, so nothing much else to discuss. I've heard the new episodes aren't as graphic as the old ones. Does anyone think they might censor these?
The early episodes censored stuff from the manga just like how the new ones occasionally do, so no. I really don't think there'd be anything to edit.
The early episodes censored stuff from the manga just like how the new ones occasionally do, so no. I really don't think there'd be anything to edit.
If anything, the early episodes had more changes, omissions and censorship. Even though One Piece became far more violent with time. Heck, the more "graphic" moment in early OP was just reanimated recently.
It's just that back then people weren't comparing anime scenes to every single manga panel, like they do these days, so they wouldn't realize it.
Hmm, so this "Special Edition" is a worse edition…
Firts episode RAW.
Wow, the quality is even worse than I imagined. The color is sharper, but the compression is so bad…
Looked pretty good to me.
Wow, ok. that was interesting.
As far as upscales go, it's pretty typical. I can't help but feel it would look a lot better resolution wise if it weren't cropped to 16:9 and zoomed in.
Yeah, i've seen even newer anime from early 2000's looking worse for blu-ray (upscaled) releases. This is pretty average.
Well okay, it's not THAT bad and I've seen worse, but it's still nothing to get excited about. The DVD releases by Funimation are better quality naturally.
So I checked it out… Kind of jarring how the opening and ending still use the same old blurry animation, yet the credits have been digitally re-inserted and look super-sharp... Also the addition of the スペシャルエディション-text under the series logo struck me as pretty unnecessary considering how it's literally the exact same as the original broadcast, only cropped... Which also reminds me, I found it kind of odd how they kept the Japanese つづく at the end, despite how they changed to having it written in English in like, episode 3 and then kept it that way for the entire rest of the series… I dunno, I kinda expected that they'd change that tiny detail to make it consistent. It's not like it would have taken a whole lot of effort…
Also did the raw just cut it out or was there really no next episode preview at the end?
Does anybody know whether any of the established fansub groups are taking the new resolutions on?
@ntk:
Does anybody know whether any of the established fansub groups are taking the new resolutions on?
Why would they? It's just a crop job.
Why would they? It's just a crop job.
I agree. It's cropped, meaning part of the picture is missing, and it's not really a higher resolution picture than what we already have. The sub groups should focus on the current episodes and just forget these.
Really? Okay then. I thought we were gonna get genuine 720p action on the early episodes, but seems like that's just bogus then.
Wasn't it already 720p? That doesn't strike me as something to advertise as "High-resolution special addition".
Wasn't it already 720p? That doesn't strike me as something to advertise as "High-resolution special addition".
No, up until Davy Back it was 480p. Least I think 720p started at Davy Back, I know widescreen did.
It may have been May since Special Edition has been talked about.
But although there have been statements about the cropping, "fake HD" and such,
no one bothered to compare the Original DVD to the actual broadcast.
Well I did.
So I thought you might take a look at this compare shot I made.
I cropped the DVD image to actually match 16:9, and did nothing beside that.
The Special Edition is the untouched TS Stream.
See for yourself and tell me whether this is actually worse than the DVD Release…
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The 'Special Edition' looks less noisy, but instead looks smudged as if DVNR (Noise Reduction) has been used; Although to be fair the DVNR artifacts are less distracting than the noisy DVD version. It just about gets away with the cropping as it looks like it's actually been re-framed (as opposed simply center-cropped), but that does mean that it's effectively been upscaled from 360p instead of 480p, and cropping makes the artifacts more apparent and distracting.
It looks decent enough for a re-run but I'd stick with the un-cropped DVDs if a hypothetical BD of the 'Special Edition' were ever released.
What you mistook for noise is actually dotcrawl, a typical desease anime suffer from when they didn't have the means to transfer a signal correctly.
And it is virtually impossible to filter it away without losing details. Because they are not static, they appear whenever movement occurs.
The fact that they managed to get rid of it, is impressive itself.
But then again they left a lot of rainbows still inside.
But the dvd suffers sufficiently stronger from those rainbows.
Everyone freaked out when Dragonball Kai was announced and they did merely the same to its release. (Well plus the new opening but screw that)
In short: the rerun in points of video quality beats the hell out of the dvd.
surely it could be a lot better. but it could've been worse.
What I'm trying to say is that the Special Edition deserves its labeling.
There are some sub groups releasing the Special Edition episodes, so they are out there for those curious to see how they look.
There is some improvement, though it's probably through edge enhancement, contrast boosting, and DNR filtering since the original episodes can't be re-transferred to HD because they were made digitally at SD. However the special editions would be more "special" if they kept the original aspect ratio. Obviously the earlier episodes weren't intended for widescreen viewing.
Does anyone have any comparison shots between the old and the new?
I am actually curious now.
It may have been May since Special Edition has been talked about.
But although there have been statements about the cropping, "fake HD" and such,
no one bothered to compare the Original DVD to the actual broadcast.Well I did.
So I thought you might take a look at this compare shot I made.
I cropped the DVD image to actually match 16:9, and did nothing beside that.
The Special Edition is the untouched TS Stream.See for yourself and tell me whether this is actually worse than the DVD Release…
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/415/remaster.jpg
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no this isn't original aspect ratio, the original AR is 4:3, the Toei master SD ar for the episode 'til ep 206 or 207 is 4:3
there are actually 2 types of japanese DVD release you can find for this episode:
by the way, most of the foreigner company who buy licence and dub the anime in other country, modify AR in their own DVD for a better TV AR match
Does anyone have any comparison shots between the old and the new?
I am actually curious now.
already showed in page 4
Just for fun, here are some cropping comparisons. The new ones actually do look a tad sharper, though nothing mind-blowing, and certainly nothing you would mistake for native HD.
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Full size:
! http://i.imgur.com/Q5gtw.jpg! http://i.imgur.com/xED1Q.png
Full size:
! http://i.imgur.com/KW47n.jpg