Aren't many logias left, are there?
Second Round Discussion Thread
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Chocolate Logia doesn't really work though; Logias are elements or combinations of elements while plant/animal products like wax, soap, and venom are Paramecia.
Go away you! I don't need your science!
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Aren't many logias left, are there?
There's degrees. Oda has had both light and lightning… as well as fire and magma... and sand and mud. And smoke is.. smoke. We're now seeing a poison gas logia compared to Magellan's poison paramecia. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more inbetweens or overlaps.
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I'll vote for Zoro and you for Robin. Deal?
Sorry, but i can't vote… (Remember what happened last year? That's why i can't vote)
But i will support Robin
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Do you know what I think about Satori (and the 'Awesome' Octopus Dude from whatever frakken page it is)?
Balls. -
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o61/LvD_album/Sattori.png
Quite so. They do look good together.
http://i.imgur.com/b9Ltf.png
Fear not my followers, the calling of your strong hearts have reincarnated me as the great Shattori. I am alive as ever, and shall continue my conquest of this tournament. I implore you, vote for me to keep our dreams alive. (Or don't vote for me, I'm still not really sure.)… well, it was only a matter of time. Someone had to see the resemblance sooner or later.
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Aren't many logias left, are there?
Ener, Smoker, Ace, Aokiji, Crocodile, that's 5 of them. :P
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I think Nate was talking logias left to be revealed in the series.
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So you say that campaigns are useless?
I waited for the first round to end before responding so I could have data to show my reasoning. I counted the campaigns in each match and the winner is identified by being in bold with underlined. Two rounds were left out due to one being a tie for number of campaigns and the Satori vs Shakky not being a normal round.
Considering that only a small number of regulars actually respect campaigners enough to even look through all the posts and reply compared to the number of people actually voting, I would say campaigning does not make much difference on the overall number of voters choices. I find this sad for all the effort so many people put into making campaigns.
! Winner W/ Most Campaigns: 16
Winner W/ Least Campaigns: 14
! Mihawk 9
Aokiji 22
! Buggy 17
Brook 30
! Enel 116
Laboon 127
! Zoro 20
Norland 33
! Doflamingo 8
Kaku 16
! Kinemon 9
Crocus 11
! X.Drake 32
A.O.Fishman 45
! Tom 23
Ivankov 12
! Tashigi 26
Dr. Kureha 2
! Nico Robin 6
Otohime 26
! Blackbeard 5
Magellan 17
! Luffy 31
Garp 74
! Franky 22
Makino 5
! Kuma 37
Kizaru 28
! Chopper 27
Sabo 15
! Dragon 8
Whitebeard 18
! Shanks 13
Fisher Tiger 5
! Gecko Moriah 18
Doma & his Monkey 11
! Harpy Monet 71
Hannyabal 37
! Margaret 23
Sanji 10
! Satori 3
Shackey 4
! Rayleigh 11
Jinbe 71
! Crocodile 24
Bepo 27
! Faux Hats 16
Bon Kurei 6
! Arlong 45
Roger 14
! Bellemere 4
Inazuma 3
! Smoker 8
Benn Beckman 36
! Mr. 3 14
Ace 29
! Hiriluk 3
Calgara 3
! Nami 345
Hattori 415
! Kidd 5
Law 52
! Usopp 40
Hancock 30 -
I think Nate was talking logias left to be revealed in the series.
Oh, then i read it wrong.
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Do you know what I think about Satori (and the 'Awesome' Octopus Dude from whatever frakken page it is)?
Balls. -
I waited for the first round to end before responding so I could have data to show my reasoning. I counted the campaigns in each match and the winner is identified by being in bold with underlined. Two rounds were left out due to one being a tie for number of campaigns and the Satori vs Shakky not being a normal round.
Considering that only a small number of regulars actually respect campaigners enough to even look through all the posts and reply compared to the number of people actually voting, I would say campaigning does not make much difference on the overall number of voters choices. I find this sad for all the effort so many people put into making campaigns.
! Winner W/ Most Campaigns: 16
Winner W/ Least Campaigns: 14
! Mihawk 9
Aokiji 22
! Buggy 17
Brook 30
! Enel 116
Laboon 127
! Zoro 20
Norland 33
! Doflamingo 8
Kaku 16
! Kinemon 9
Crocus 11
! X.Drake 32
A.O.Fishman 45
! Tom 23
Ivankov 12
! Tashigi 26
Dr. Kureha 2
! Nico Robin 6
Otohime 26
! Blackbeard 5
Magellan 17
! Luffy 31
Garp 74
! Franky 22
Makino 5
! Kuma 37
Kizaru 28
! Chopper 27
Sabo 15
! Dragon 8
Whitebeard 18
! Shanks 13
Fisher Tiger 5
! Gecko Moriah 18
Doma & his Monkey 11
! Harpy Monet 71
Hannyabal 37
! Margaret 23
Sanji 10
! Satori 3
Shackey 4
! Rayleigh 11
Jinbe 71
! Crocodile 24
Bepo 27
! Faux Hats 16
Bon Kurei 6
! Arlong 45
Roger 14
! Bellemere 4
Inazuma 3
! Smoker 8
Benn Beckman 36
! Mr. 3 14
Ace 29
! Hiriluk 3
Calgara 3
! Nami 345
Hattori 415
! Kidd 5
Law 52
! Usopp 40
Hancock 30You are wrong, why do you think Hattori is so popular? :P
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@Nia:
… well, it was only a matter of time. Someone had to see the resemblance sooner or later.
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Ive always looked at campaigns as something you just do for fun. I love trying to come up with things for characters I know won't win just because it's about the spirit of friendly competition. Campaigns'll swing a few votes, but yeah I doubt there are many cases where they're the deciding factor. People need to realize this tournament is for fun, and not take everything do seriously.
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Ive always looked at campaigns as something you just do for fun. I love trying to come up with things for characters I know won't win just because it's about the spirit of friendly competition. Campaigns'll swing a few votes, but yeah I doubt there are many cases where they're the deciding factor. People need to realize this tournament is for fun, and not take everything do seriously.
It have to be really good campaign to get a character to win
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I waited for the first round to end before responding so I could have data to show my reasoning. I counted the campaigns in each match and the winner is identified by being in bold with underlined. Two rounds were left out due to one being a tie for number of campaigns and the Satori vs Shakky not being a normal round.
Considering that only a small number of regulars actually respect campaigners enough to even look through all the posts and reply compared to the number of people actually voting, I would say campaigning does not make much difference on the overall number of voters choices. I find this sad for all the effort so many people put into making campaigns.
! Winner W/ Most Campaigns: 16
Winner W/ Least Campaigns: 14
! Mihawk 9
Aokiji 22
! Buggy 17
Brook 30
! Enel 116
Laboon 127
! Zoro 20
Norland 33
! Doflamingo 8
Kaku 16
! Kinemon 9
Crocus 11
! X.Drake 32
A.O.Fishman 45
! Tom 23
Ivankov 12
! Tashigi 26
Dr. Kureha 2
! Nico Robin 6
Otohime 26
! Blackbeard 5
Magellan 17
! Luffy 31
Garp 74
! Franky 22
Makino 5
! Kuma 37
Kizaru 28
! Chopper 27
Sabo 15
! Dragon 8
Whitebeard 18
! Shanks 13
Fisher Tiger 5
! Gecko Moriah 18
Doma & his Monkey 11
! Harpy Monet 71
Hannyabal 37
! Margaret 23
Sanji 10
! Satori 3
Shackey 4
! Rayleigh 11
Jinbe 71
! Crocodile 24
Bepo 27
! Faux Hats 16
Bon Kurei 6
! Arlong 45
Roger 14
! Bellemere 4
Inazuma 3
! Smoker 8
Benn Beckman 36
! Mr. 3 14
Ace 29
! Hiriluk 3
Calgara 3
! Nami 345
Hattori 415
! Kidd 5
Law 52
! Usopp 40
Hancock 30Quality counts for a lot too. 50 weak campaigns aren't as effective as 5 really good ones. Also, getting a campaign out in the first page or two is really important, they're most likely to be seen and influence early votes.
Campaigns are mostly important in close matches. When its two characters the audience feels about even on, swinging a couple votes can make all the difference. (And generally, when two characters are nearly tied, they STAY nearly tied for most of the day.) In general people pay less attention after either character gets 20 or 30 votes ahead since thats usually a hard amount to catch up to (but not impossible.) But when a match stays within five or so votes it keeps active the entire day.
And I think the Hattori match proved a lot. A silent background bird gave a Strawhat a solid run for their money based purely on campaigns. Makino beating Kizaru two years ago proved it too.
And really, its all about having fun anyway. If it was just about getting the winner, we could pool from the strawhats and 8 other usual top raters and have the tourney done in a week. Its about the journey on the way.
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I think Nate was talking logias left to be revealed in the series.
Yeah, thats what i meant.
And interesting statistics…
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I waited for the first round to end before responding so I could have data to show my reasoning. I counted the campaigns in each match and the winner is identified by being in bold with underlined. Two rounds were left out due to one being a tie for number of campaigns and the Satori vs Shakky not being a normal round.
Considering that only a small number of regulars actually respect campaigners enough to even look through all the posts and reply compared to the number of people actually voting, I would say campaigning does not make much difference on the overall number of voters choices. I find this sad for all the effort so many people put into making campaigns.
! Winner W/ Most Campaigns: 16
Winner W/ Least Campaigns: 14
! Mihawk 9
Aokiji 22
! Buggy 17
Brook 30
! Enel 116
Laboon 127
! Zoro 20
Norland 33
! Doflamingo 8
Kaku 16
! Kinemon 9
Crocus 11
! X.Drake 32
A.O.Fishman 45
! Tom 23
Ivankov 12
! Tashigi 26
Dr. Kureha 2
! Nico Robin 6
Otohime 26
! Blackbeard 5
Magellan 17
! Luffy 31
Garp 74
! Franky 22
Makino 5
! Kuma 37
Kizaru 28
! Chopper 27
Sabo 15
! Dragon 8
Whitebeard 18
! Shanks 13
Fisher Tiger 5
! Gecko Moriah 18
Doma & his Monkey 11
! Harpy Monet 71
Hannyabal 37
! Margaret 23
Sanji 10
! Satori 3
Shackey 4
! Rayleigh 11
Jinbe 71
! Crocodile 24
Bepo 27
! Faux Hats 16
Bon Kurei 6
! Arlong 45
Roger 14
! Bellemere 4
Inazuma 3
! Smoker 8
Benn Beckman 36
! Mr. 3 14
Ace 29
! Hiriluk 3
Calgara 3
! Nami 345
Hattori 415
! Kidd 5
Law 52
! Usopp 40
Hancock 30It's admirable that you've put so much effort into this~ It's interesting.
Although I kind of disagree still. Just imagine: this tournament without campaigns. Would be boring, now wouldn't it? So as I see, campaigns have other value than gaining votes. They have another purpose. That is, having much much fun! Even if many people don't even look at the campaigns, just vote for the heck of it, there are other members here who are dedicated and will look through ten pages of pictures/videos/etc. just to see what campaigners can come up with. Also, it's really great making campaigns for our favourite characters~
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You know what we should do? Have character touraments like GameFAQs.
A daily poll. No campaigns. And maybe a board for users to moan and bitch about thier obscure characterss losing to L-Block from Tetris.And while we are at it, we can have user writen "Top 10 One Piece [insert topic]" articles every single week to see if people would argue over the proper construction of a top 10 list.
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Who i think will win:
- Satori vs Tashigi
- Ivankov vs Usopp
- _Broo_k vs Crocodile
- DoFlamingo vs Franky
- Bellemere vs Monet
- Zoro vs Sanji
- Smoker vs Kinemon
- [not sure]
- Roger vs Hiriluk
- Shanks vs Magellan
- Ace vs Whitebeard
- Moriah vs Aokiji
- Bon Kurei vs Awesome Octopus Fishman Etc.
- Enel vs Chopper
- Nami vs Rayleigh
- Robin vs Kuma
Who i will "likely" vote for:
Tashigi [Would have voted Shackey, but oh- well… ]
Usopp [Wish it was hancock ]
Crocodile [ Actually undecided ]
Doflamingo [Pimp 'nuff said ]
Monet [ Favorite female character after Robin ]
Sanji [Just because i know he will lose ]
[Campaigns]
Roger [meh, don't really care for this one ]
Magellan [Shanks is overrated >.> ]
WHITEBEARD!! [hard to decide, but leading toward WB]
Kuzan [too easy ]
Bon Kurei [Can't still believe "X" lost to a no-name ]
Enel [Chopper kinda annoys me sometime ]
Rayleigh [love this guy, -no homo-]
Robin [Favorite female character ] -
The fact that the ratio of number of campaigns compared to winners is about half shows what we are all saying, it's not a matter of one person being right or not. We have round winners that don't even have half the number of campaigns that the looser has and then we also have the opposite. I was asked in a match why I stated the reasoning behind my choice and the above post is it. I've seen numerous people disappointed because their campaign efforts pretty much blew up in their faces and it's hard to enjoy things when people make you feel you work is meaningless. Given there are not all that many, but I think that is because most of the big campaigners are long time members who have already earned respect for one reason or another.
There will be complaints in every situation, though I don't feel I am doing so right now because it is not my intent and I actually complain a lot so I have no problem with it nor would deny if it was my goal. This is just an observation I have made and have tried to pull information to together to clarify my thoughts since I was questioned on them. We seem to have enough people stirring the shit pot this year so I don't feel it necessary to add and I'm sure people will agree that I could have easily shared my opinion in inappropriate ways as others have been lately.
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I'm campaigning for zoro moriah chopper and law the most….VOTE THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE MATCHES COME OUT!!!!!!!!
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@Mafia:
I'm campaigning for zoro moriah chopper and law the most….VOTE THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE MATCHES COME OUT!!!!!!!!
Great choices!
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Campaigns are kind of what this is all about. It doesn't matter at the end of the day who wins, it's about who had the most fun showing support for their favorite characters. That's why folks like Hattori and Moria are winners every year.
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Great choices!
Thank ya!! I really hope they win… But most people are supporting aokiji instead of moriah 。・°°・(>_<)・°°・。.... But I'm happy to hear that more people like zoro better than the ero cook!!!!☆〜(ゝ。∂)but still I am having a lot of fun with this!!! This is my first tournament and I just loff it!!! XD
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You know what we should do? Have character touraments like GameFAQs.
A daily poll. No campaigns.But what would I do with my life then?
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@Nia:
But what would I do with my life then?
Exactly.
If anything, I'm more amused that the concept of campaigns was eligible enough for an in-depth intellectual study.
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The best course of action in situation this confusing? Tell your opponent that he/she doesn't know how to have fun and prove it to him/her in the most passive aggresive way you can think of.
Because it's only obvious your sense of humour is the superior one.
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@RobbyBevard:
There's degrees. Oda has had both light and lightning… as well as fire and magma... and sand and mud. And smoke is.. smoke. We're now seeing a poison gas logia compared to Magellan's poison paramecia. I wouldn't be surprised if there's more inbetweens or overlaps.
light and electricity are completely different forms of energy, as well as fire. Fire and magma have nothing to do with one another, except they are both hot. Fire is harder to explain, from the all things fire is most close to plasma, but plasma don't fully explain what fire is, while magma is plainly molted rock, it's actually more similar to sand and mud. Sand is rock of very small fractions, so is mud only mixed with water. And CC is not poison gas logia, he is any gas logia, which makes his powers very much different than Magellan's.
Any one up to sound logia or something along the lines.
I think mist or cloud logia would be too much like smoke logia, and dust logia too much like sand logia, but maybe I'm mistaken.
We are not having water logia, and since we have gas logia, there won't be air (wind) logia (there may be wind paramecia though).
What that left us with? Asphalt? Petrol Oil? Wood (sometimes is seen as one of the elements)? Metal (likewise, and mercury is also a metal)? Life (composed of tiny lifeforms)? Something like gamma radiation or X rays (why not we have already light)? Some fantastic elements like ether? Rock would be probably paramecia. And earth would probably not happen as we already have three earth bases ligia: sand, magma and mud.Oh, sorry for too long comment, when I started I haven't plan to write all this. But you are right, with Oda's imagination there may be more logias.
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Stop posting walls of text in here. You're supposed to be posting pointless lists with bolded predictions.
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People I want to kill(bolded names i want to gut and drag through the streets)
Kitsune Inferno -
My list.
01. Satori vs Tashigi
02. Ivankov vs Usopp
03. Brook vs Crocodile
04. DoFlamingo vs Franky
05. Bellemere vs Monet
06. Zoro vs Sanji
07. Smoker vs Kinemon
08. Luffy vs Law
09. Roger vs Hiriluk
10. Shanks vs Magellan
11. Ace vs Whitebeard
12. Moriah vs Aokiji
13. Bon Kurei vs Awesome Octopus Fishman Etc.
14. Ener vs Chopper
15. Nami vs Rayleigh
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At least Wooden Giraffe's got the right idea and setting the bar.
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Hiroy, there's not enough bold
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Hiroy, there's not enough bold
Maybe he's just trying to make a statement about his complete lack of insight.
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Stop posting walls of text in here. You're supposed to be posting pointless lists with bolded predictions.
I thought it were our preferences that were supposed to be bolded. That I assumed from what other people posted earlier.
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My heart was beating like crazy…..when I saw the thread. Let's g-go....
01. Satori vs Tashigi
Let's not have the mods troll again.
02.Ivankov vs Winner 32 (Usopp/Hancock)
Either way I'm voting against Ivankov.
03. Brook vs Crocodile
No…..no, no!
04. DoFlamingo vs Franky
Easy.
- Bellemere vs Monet
Bellemere 100%, Monet shall fall!
06. Zoro vs Sanji
Son of a….....this isn't fair! Why oh why, I like both so much!
sighs Maybe I'll side with Sanji, too many people dislike him.....
07. Smoker vs Kinemon
Ouch…..well, Kinemon's the underdog so I'll support him!
08. Luffy vs Law
laughs evilly at zachri
09. Roger vs Hiriluk
Again, underdog.
10. Shanks vs Magellan
Hm….I like the Magellan campaigns, and again, I must support the underdog!
11. Ace vs Whitebeard
First Luffy vs. Garp and now this? Man, fate must hate family this year.
12. Moriah vs Aokiji
Aokiji, too easy.
- Bon Kurei vs Awesome Octopus Fishman Etc.
C'mon, I can't not vote for Bon…...
14. Ener vs Chopper
Damn. I've always supported Enel, but poor Chopper's outmatched! I'm torn!
15. Nami vs Rayleigh
No no NO WE'VE WORKED TOO HARD FOR THIS! That stupid Manglaze is going to ruin everything! Why is this tournament SO EVIL?!
16. Robin vs Kuma
Robin is Robin, so there.
sniff Zoro vs. Sanji and Brook vs. Crocodile are tearing my heart to pieces…......I need to lie down......
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It's okay MetaMario. I'm on the side of Nami.
That eliminates 100% of Rayleigh's campaigners from last round in a single move.
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It's okay MetaMario. I'm on the side of Nami.
That eliminates 100% of Rayleigh's campaigners from last round in a single move.
P-Perhaps there is hope for that match after all…...
either way, it's like I said in the last round thread......I will campaign my ass off again for Nami!
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but i'm still afraid.
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People I want to kill(bolded names i want to gut and drag through the streets)
Kitsune InfernoThat + Your avatar = Bricks being shat.
laughs evilly at zachri
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Now now, we don't have to resort to arson….and possible murder.
Me supporting Luffy is more the fact that he's my favorite than me spiting you. I'm being serious here......I expect campaigns every five minutes like Nia did with Hattori. Here's the chance to really show your stuff.
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Moria is totally going to loooose! We barely beat that guy with the monkey!
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Now now, we don't have to resort to arson….and possible murder.
Me supporting Luffy is more the fact that he's my favorite than me spiting you. I'm being serious here......I expect campaigns every five minutes like Nia did with Hattori. Here's the chance to really show your stuff.
Well damn.
This should be fun.
Just.
Depends on when Law vs Luffy actually is…--- Update From New Post Merge ---
Moria is totally going to loooose! We barely beat that guy with the monkey!
NO BEKA.
We can pull through this.
DON'T STOP BELIEVIIIIN'~
HOLD ONTO THAT FEELIN' YEEEEAAHHHH~
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Moria is totally going to loooose! We barely beat that guy with the monkey!
turn that frown right-side-up…
wait.. it's not a frown.
just a smile
upside-down.
does this mean I should say to turn that smile right-side-up
that does not make a nick of sense
that's like
telling someone to stop smiling
or the fact that smiling was wrong and should be fixed to begin with
this is so fucking confusing
i give up -
Got mha self a new pimpin jinbei campaign…
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Hiroy, there's not enough bold
01. Satori vs Tashigi
02. Ivankov vs Usopp
03. Brook vs Crocodile
04. DoFlamingo vs Franky
05. Bellemere vs Monet
06. Zoro vs Sanji
07. Smoker vs Kinemon
08. Luffy vs Law
09. Roger vs Hiriluk
10. Shanks vs Magellan
11. Ace vs Whitebeard
12. Moriah vs Aokiji
13. Bon Kurei vs Awesome Octopus Fishman Etc.
14. Ener vs Chopper
15. Nami vs Rayleigh
16. Robin vs Kuma -
I've been on the outskirts of this one…
but I have a simple message for the negatrons who're bitching about "people voting for strawhats since they're strawhats" and basically whining cause their life sucks now that Law is going up against the main character of the series.
Last year Enel, a villain that's done NOTHING for YEARS, bodied ZORO of all characters in THE SEMI-FINALS... through sheer campaign strength.
Quit yer bitchin!!
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Hancock lost!!!?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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I thought it were our preferences that were supposed to be bolded. That I assumed from what other people posted earlier.
Don't worry. Kitsune isn't feeling very foxy at the moment is all.
Must have been thrown out on the street by a beautiful and gentle barmaid again.
Last year Enel, a villain that's done NOTHING for YEARS, bodied ZORO of all characters in THE SEMI-FINALS… through sheer campaign strength.
It was almost like a divine miracle.
…oh right, the point. It was a miracle made into reality by blood and flesh of simple members just like you, campaigners of 2012.
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Moria is totally going to loooose! We barely beat that guy with the monkey!
Oh come on. How can ANYONE say no to that face?
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@Sonic:
Got mha self a new pimpin jinbei campaign…
! http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/225/3/a/pimpinjinbei_by_serumx-d5ayjnh.jpg
Oh my god yes. Perfect.