Moria's strength was equal to that of a Yonkou, he's soooo strong!
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General 'Four Emperors' Discussion
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Moria the Great…
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Moria's strength was equal to that of a Yonkou, he's soooo strong!
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At the time he didn't mention whether Kaidou was a Yonko or not. Maybe they ran into one another before Kaido was a Yonko. But none the less he got his ass handed to him, Moria that is.
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@Alpha:
At the time he didn't mention whether Kaidou was a Yonko or not. Maybe they ran into one another before Kaido was a Yonko. But none the less he got his ass handed to him, Moria that is.
Don't bother arguing with Beka.
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@Alpha:
At the time he didn't mention whether Kaidou was a Yonko or not. Maybe they ran into one another before Kaido was a Yonko. But none the less he got his ass handed to him, Moria that is.
It was said that Kiado became a yonkou after fighting Moriah how long after was not said it was just after it,
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@Law:
It was said that Kiado became a yonkou after fighting Moriah how long after was not said it was just after it,
You constantly make absolute statements which are always false. Check your work man.
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Coby and Luffy aren't rivals, they're enemies. Rivals, by definition, have the same goal despite not being allied with each other. Coby and Luffy don't share a goal at all.
They are not enemies. They are friends - though all bets are off in battle.
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They are not enemies. They are friends - though all bets are off in battle.
Friendly enemies.
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They are not enemies. They are friends - though all bets are off in battle.
By occupation, their enemies.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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Oh Law of the Sea where`s the proof. . .
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@400MillionBelis:
By occupation, their enemies.
What about their enemies? :ninja:
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Kaidou: Sorry Moria I destroyed your entire fleet
Moria: No hard feelingsLOL
#45lyfer
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Kaidou: Sorry Moria I destroyed your entire fleet
Moria: No hard feelingsLOL
That was not funny at all.
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So…any chance Luffy will become Yonkou? There's bound to be an empty position one way or another.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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@400MillionBelis:
So…any chance Luffy will become Yonkou? There's bound to be an empty position one way or another.
How the hell would anyone know when we're not even one arc into the new world. At most we can say maybe, maybe not.
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@400MillionBelis:
So…any chance Luffy will become Yonkou? There's bound to be an empty position one way or another.
Forget a Yonko position he doesn't want that nor does he care. He wants to be the Pirate King and nothing else. P.K > Yonko.
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There's nothing saying that Luffy can't become an Yonkou before becoming the Pirate King.
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@Alpha:
Forget a Yonko position he doesn't want that nor does he care. He wants to be the Pirate King and nothing else. P.K > Yonko.
That's not a title he can refuse, if the strawhats become one of the four strongest crews of the NW, he automatically earns the title, i don't see anything wrong with Luffy being one.
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It would be wrong. They don't have the strongest crew, not even remotely close. Though Luffy certainly does have the allies i.e The Whitebeard Pirates and all the NW Pirates that were allied to Whitebeard - he certainly earned their respect, and there
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Defeating one of the emperors should automatically mean that you become the new one. Although the Strawhats might not defeat all of the emperors, they're bound to face at least one of them. So I think Luffy becoming an emperor isn't too far off. Besides, Luffy's definition of an emperor is probably not the same as other people's.
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Well said. So he will obtain it if he defeats an emperor/empress and as it was said, his definition of emperor will differ from the others. He has the allies and the crew to reach that position but it will take time before he gets there.
It took the WG + the warlords to take on WB, his crew and allies. So if Luffy wants to go up against even one of the emperors he better bring some heat.
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Yonkou are more about territory and sheer number of followers than individual crew member strength.
So considering his reletively small crew I think he will just become the King.
Also remember what he said to Raleigh that he doesn't care about conquering anything, but that is what they do. -
Defeating one of the emperors should automatically mean that you become the new one. Although the Strawhats might not defeat all of the emperors, they're bound to face at least one of them. So I think Luffy becoming an emperor isn't too far off. Besides, Luffy's definition of an emperor is probably not the same as other people's.
We already know this isn't true. Blackbeard didn't automatically get the spot after he beat Pops, he still had to control his territories and stuff.
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I'm sure blackbeards goal was to become yonkou, he didnt take over whitebeards territory not expecting to become an emperor.
Basically if luffy becomes yonkou that would mean he made an effort to become one and that's just not something luffy would do.
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@Devil:
That's not a title he can refuse, if the strawhats become one of the four strongest crews of the NW, he automatically earns the title, i don't see anything wrong with Luffy being one.
Roger never became a one and he was the first pirate king
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I'm sure blackbeards goal was to become yonkou, he didnt take over whitebeards territory not expecting to become an emperor.
Basically if luffy becomes yonkou that would mean he made an effort to become one and that's just not something luffy would do.
Pre-TS Luffy wouldn't do it, but after TS he has a good reason to make an effort to become a Yonkou as a stepping stone to become the PK. Well, not that he will actively try to take territories, but he certainly wouldn't reject it if an opportunity comes. That is, when the people in some territory become his friends/allies and he feel the need to take the territory as his (to protect them). We've seen how he took FI as his territory, and I expect he will do it more in the future.
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I don't think taking down a yonkou makes you jump to the position, bad match ups happen even at elite levels. Oda stated Enel would've had a 500,000,000 bounty if he was on the blue seas, yet luffy was nowhere near that level at skypiea. That's the point of having this whole fight vs a yonkou/making an alliance is about, they can't use Luffy's blatant charging against someone greatly above their level. I've been wondering why Law wants to take down a yonkou though, he said "confusion", but it's not like he'll run in and find one piece because of some confusion. Even if he did, he'd walk out of raftel all "I'm the pirate king" only to be murdered by blackbeard or some other overpowered SoB out there.
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@Alpha:
Forget a Yonko position he doesn't want that nor does he care. He wants to be the Pirate King and nothing else. P.K > Yonko.
Roger was considered the pirate king because he conquered the entire grand line. technically, in order to be the pirate king you HAVE to become a yonkou. Rayleigh even asked luffy if he can conquer everything.
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Roger was considered the pirate king because he conquered the entire grand line. technically, in order to be the pirate king you HAVE to become a yonkou. Rayleigh even asked luffy if he can conquer everything.
Roger had one ship and a small crew. How on earth could he maintained territories? He was Pirate king because he reached Raftel and was in possession of the onepiece
And if you remember Luffy said that he didn't care about conquering anything right after he was asked. -
Roger was considered the pirate king because he conquered the entire grand line. technically, in order to be the pirate king you HAVE to become a yonkou. Rayleigh even asked luffy if he can conquer everything.
I believe he became PK only after he reached Raftel.
Roger had one ship and a small crew. How on earth could he maintained territories? He was Pirate king because he reached Raftel and was in possession of the onepiece
And if you remember Luffy said that he didn't care about conquering anything right after he was asked.How would you know he didn't have territories and other pirate alliances? I don't remember reading something that says that.
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You don't become an Emperor for simply beating another one. The only reason they have that title is becuase they control such large portions of the New World, and that is because they have such influence and that is because of their strength.
Somebody could kill every one of the 4 Emperors. Does that make him an Emperor? No, all it would do is create a power vaccume for control for territory.
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Roger was considered the pirate king because he conquered the entire grand line. technically, in order to be the pirate king you HAVE to become a yonkou. Rayleigh even asked luffy if he can conquer everything.
Well, Yonko literally means 4 emperors, and we don't know if there were 3 other strong pirates around… We know of Whitebeard and Shiki, but we don't know if they already controlled a big chunk of the grand line's territory at that time or not.
I don't even think Roger had the time to become an emperor. He's journey to become Pirate King took only 3 years… I'm not sure if that was enough time to conquer, but especially maintain territory.
The thing about the Yonko's is that they are said to balance themselves in terms of strength and keep each other in a stalemate. If one is stronger than the others (and becomes Pirate King) that balance is disrupted, thus there are no 4 emperors, there is only 1.
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The balance with the Yonkou was that they balance out with the Shichibukai and Marines. It was stated Whitebeard was the strongest of the Yonkou. He didn't actively pursue defeating other Yonkou to become the single greatest pirate. It seems the Yonkou care much more about just controlling territory than defeating every other pirate alive.
I could see this being an issue with Teach, where he seems concerned with beating up other pirates. I'm sure he may care about territory also, but he seems more centered on defeating other pirates than any of the other yonkou.
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I just want to see Shanks and his crew in an amazing battle like no other.
Whaaaaaaaaaat
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Well, Yonko literally means 4 emperors, and we don't know if there were 3 other strong pirates around… We know of Whitebeard and Shiki, but we don't know if they already controlled a big chunk of the grand line's territory at that time or not.
I don't even think Roger had the time to become an emperor. He's journey to become Pirate King took only 3 years… I'm not sure if that was enough time to conquer, but especially maintain territory.
The thing about the Yonko's is that they are said to balance themselves in terms of strength and keep each other in a stalemate. If one is stronger than the others (and becomes Pirate King) that balance is disrupted, thus there are no 4 emperors, there is only 1.
Teach became a Yonkou in 2 years, its definitely plausible that roger became one before the became king
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Is there proof that the yonkou title existed when roger was turning the world upside down?
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Well, it might not have been the same title, but we do know the marines treated Roger, Shiki and Newgate in a similar way to the yonko we know. When Shiki and Roger fought in Edd War two of the marines strongest, probably two strongest marines went to deal with it. Very akin to how the govt practically pooped when they found out that shanks and whitebeard were meeting. But, we dont really know how big piracy was in that era. It's possible Roger, Shiki and Whtiebeard (And Shakky) were a few of a small group of pirates actually threatening to the govt. The golden age hadnt begun yet, so i think its safe to assume that the yonko title didnt exist yet since there are no emporors without people to rule over. But, the great pirates of that time were definitely treated in the same way.
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There were four extremely powerful and influential pirates. So they were named Four Emperors.
That's all there is to Yonkou. If there were six, it woulda been called Rokkou.When these terms came to be is unknown, the concept may not have been around pre-Pirate Era, before Roger's execution.
Besides, Roger didn't look the type to "rule" territories and form a balance with other factions.
He was an adventurer. Even if the Emperor pirate title was around, it may not have been placed on the future PK's head. -
Who does everyone think is the first Yonkou to be taken down/replaced? I'd place my bet on Big Mom, since she was finally introduced (albeit unclearly) in the plot not so long ago, and seems to be the potential target of the Law/Luffy alliance. It seems that in the near-future (perhaps the next arc, or even at the end of the current one) she will make an appearance somehow and engage in combat with the SHs. Defeating her, or even going face-to-face with her will surely be a testament to Luffy's growth over the timeskip, so I'm really looking forward to their encounter.
By process of elimination and looking at the other three, Shanks seems like he will be one of the last Yonkou to go; I predict that near the end of the plot he will be defeated by BB, to which Luffy reacts by defeating him. BB has just newly been appointed a Yonkou thus most likely to retain the title for the longest (based on assumptions of age, potential future growth etc.) and as I mentioned will probably be the last of the Yonkou defeated. As for Kaidou we really know nothing about him, although there was that conflict (the extent of which is unknown) with X-Drake pre-timeskip. I personally think that X-Drake is currently serving under Kaidou (3 possibilities. One, they fought, Drake got defeated and was forced to serve under him. Two, the reason Drake sought him out in the first place was to form an alliance/make a pledge to serve under Kaidou. Three, Drake was Kaidou's subordinate to begin with, even before he defected from the Marines, just like how Vergo is to Doflamingo). I don't think Luffy and the SHs will take him down - instead, one of the other possible supernovas (possibly the Kid/Apoo/Hawkins alliance) are aiming to take him down.
Speaking of which, we do not know the real motives of the possible Kid/Apoo/Hawkins alliance but we can assume that their purpose too is to take down a Yonkou, and a showdown between the K/A/H alliance and possibly some of the other Supernovas (X-Drake amongst others) will be interesting.
So as I said before, I think Big Mom will be the first Yonkou to be defeated and possibly relinquishing the title to someone else. But more importantly, who do you think will replace the first Yonkou to be defeated? If the alliances somehow do succeed in bringing one down, there would be major conflict as to who would succeed the fallen Yonkou and there would be inner conflict amongst the alliance, since from what we have been shown so far none of the Supernovas are fond of working under another. Moreover, it would largely upset the balance of power in the world, since the newly appointed Yonkou would probably be the weakest one of the four (purely based on assumption; I just don't think any of the Supernovas are quite up to par with the current Yonkou as of yet). What do you think?
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Marco and the WB pirates for Yonkou!
But yeah everything so far leads to Big Mom being the first Yonkou that Luffy will fight, however what if when Luffy and co fight her they don't win and something else happens?If she ends up being defeated though I believe Kid might get her spot? I don't know it's hard to guess and I as well don't believe any of the Supernovas are currently strong enough to be considered to be apart of the 4 Emperors. ( Again, Marco for Emperor!) :ninja:
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Marco and the WB pirates for Yonkou!
But yeah everything so far leads to Big Mom being the first Yonkou that Luffy will fight, however what if when Luffy and co fight her they don't win and something else happens?If she ends up being defeated though I believe Kid might get her spot? I don't know it's hard to guess and I as well don't believe any of the Supernovas are currently strong enough to be considered to be apart of the 4 Emperors. ( Again, Marco for Emperor!) :ninja:
Agreed. If Big Mam is taken out with a team effort from Luffy, Kid, Law, Hawkins, Apoo and their crews, then how can one of them become a Yonko? Unless they decide to form a single crew (which they obviously won't) then there's no way either of them is strong enough individually to take her spot.
Basically what I see happening is total chaos: when Big Mam is taken out, the other 3 Yonkos will start fighting for her territory and it will basically be an all out war in the New World. The marines may also take a part in this, because maybe they'll try to recover her territory too.
So basically we will only have 3 emperors and the power balance will change.
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Luffy doesn't need any motivation for taking down Blackbeard, least of all Shanks being taken out. BB is the cause of what happenned to Ace. BB is aiming for the title of Pirate King - the clash between the 2 of them is inevitable. He will face BB and he will take him down..
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@Gia:
We definitely will get one at somepoint, im sure of it.
We did. Remember the terrible mountain bandits?
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Luffy doesn't need any motivation for taking down Blackbeard, least of all Shanks being taken out. BB is the cause of what happenned to Ace. BB is aiming for the title of Pirate King - the clash between the 2 of them is inevitable. He will face BB and he will take him down..
BlackBeard is still gonna fight Shanks and kill/defeat him. Oda has been hinting at that fight since Shanks sent Whitebeard the letter.
