@Nex:
The people in those shots were Gothams criminals. as we see later, pretty much everyone is hiding in their house or some other location.
You misremember, it's very fresh in my mind. I'm downright confident regarding the court scenes as well.
Some people were in hiding yes, but not all of them.
When Wayne first learns of Bane in this movie, Alfred tells him that he was directly responsible for toppling a government just a few months back. After all, he was the head of the League of Shadows. That's kinda their thing.
They say he was a merc who aided in coups. Believe in my expertize in this regard. Coups are a dime a dozen in Africa and they are rarely ideological. Unless you think Nolan's trilogy takes place during the Cold War the idea that Bane is a Soviet agent Che Guevera type is ridiculous.
The League of Shadows are not communists or contras or whatever, they're against "EVIL".
1. It was part of his game to bring Gotham down. Yes he didn't address it until it was time to bring Gotham down. It would be weird to just go around talking about it before hand. And cliche. And Bane is anything but a cliche villain.
And he never mentioned it again when not in front of a crowd. It seemed pretty clear he was just trying to rile up the masses to more chaos. So part of a plan yes. But what plan?
Bringing Gotham Down takes exactly one nuke. Why all the extra stuff that Bruce barely saw any of anyway.
2. Perhaps game was a poor word choice if you're going to take everything literally. By game what I meant was his plan to sack Gotham.
They looted Gotham? When? They were suicidal anyway with the nuke so I'm kind of doubting that motive.
3. I have no idea what you're talking about here.
Taking all the various political imagery of the past couple years and assigning it to some crazy villainous uprising is kind of in bad taste in oh so many ways.
Busy, so no one could get an advantage on them and somehow save the city, and cautious because there's a nuke that could be detonated any second.
None of this white noise mattered when the goal was blowing it all to hell in the first place.
I mean what was any of that supposed to achieve? Are Bane and Talia like a cat? Just beating the shit out of prey before killing it?
That's not the League's style though. It never was. They want people to know they're being punished.
When did they inform the people in the first movie that they were being gassed with fear and having criminals unleashed for a particular purpose?
When did they even let Gotham know it was being punished in this movie? They threatnened them and that was it.
They only did that sort of guilt tripping to the rich people.
And besides, this was personal for Talia. So yes, she wanted to make Wayne suffer by breaking him and then watch as his city, the thing he cares about most, the thing he became Batman for, slowly died. Watching Gotham die is the ultimate torture for Wayne, that's why they did things the way they did.
All they did to do that was set up a crappy TV that he was able to break with a rock as soon as he didn't want to watch anymore lol. Heck he could have walked away even.
The weak set up of the Bruce side of this doesn't at all match with the level of set up for turning Manhattan into Paris 1794.
I mean the chaos wasn't even that bad?
If I'm right. It's better chaos, because people are getting whipped into class war frenzy and killing Mary Antoinnette of Wall Street…and...uh. That's about all that was shown.
Or you're right and people just hid in houses, and Bane's thugs hunted down some cops and rich people. Which is pretty lousy chaos.
The plot in the first movie for all it's absurdity was actual chaos at least. Turning the whole city into crazy people with gas? Now there you go!
Once again, this is where we have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to change your mind here, just like you're not going to change mine.
And what I'm saying is that the 3 film had the same flaws, which is why being okay with them in one film and then whining about them in another doesn't make much sense.
All of the things I'm complaining about here are specific to this film lol. You can't make this argument here, it's nonsensical.
I do have complaints that apply to the whole trilogy, but I have yet to make them.
Like what are you saying here?
"You think an offshore nuke blowing up was stupid because it would still have destroyed the city? Well what about the offshore nuclear explosion in the other two movies!"
buh??
The way I see it is, what other way was there?
Sooo….not to make you mad here but I'm gonna guess your film school education is in film creation....and not screenwriting.
I mean, Batman could shoot the things out of his arm a la how he beat Joker. After all he was in the Dark Knight batsuit at the end. But then it would have been dumb having to villains eat the same way.
It should have been written into a better situation than that. It's really that simple.
Bane went from smart sharp minded powerhouse to the death of a common thug. That's the kind of end he had.
It was almost a laugh moment, cat woman even had a one liner.
Something with the whole Chekov's gun of his mask would have been appreciated. The gun never really went off! They fucked with his mask a little bit, but that was about it.
Maybe Batman manages to wholesale rip it off, and has to survive Bane's pained flailings before Bane just plain sucumbs to the pain and Selina lands a blow or something.
What other way out of that situation was there?
You're making the mistake of assuming that only that much should be rewritten, we can rewind and rewrite so that things didn't have to end up that limited in the first place.
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@Darkstorm:
Are there any interviews where they explain why Bane sounds like a bad sean connery ripoff?
Where the hell was he supposed to be from anyway?
His men had accents too.
I guess it was the same place where Talia and the hilariously stupid Clash of the Titans looking pit thing (cool idea, wrong movie).
They mentioned the opening scene was in Uzbekistan which would be…..25% plausible. I guess.
Hang in there, Kierkegaard.
