I hear you, man, if only I could put down the burger myself
Well, I can put it down, but not in the way that's healthy lol
I hear you, man, if only I could put down the burger myself
Well, I can put it down, but not in the way that's healthy lol
Yeah since school is out for the summer I'm back at home. Meaning I can't eat what I want so I've been eating very shitty. I have kept working out but it's definitely NOT the same without the diet. I've been better the past few days but I really can tell eating veggies and decent meat and grains almost every meal to eating Hot Pockets and an occasional sandwich is not near as good. Luckily tonight I am not falling asleep at 7 and will be going to the gym in a few hours and having my protein shake after, still can't wait til August 5th = better eating = better workout = better results and lifestyle
Also since we're on the meat subject at school it was almost all white meat which is supposedly better for you. People need meat unles you're eating a bag of not salted trail mix daily. Meat is good for you and veggies are good for you, over processed or freeze dried stuff regardless if it's meat, veggies, or whatever the fuck Taco Bell sells is BAD.
Besides, cancer and heart disease aren't fun, no matter how long your life turns out to be.
Sorry. I don't do drugs.
when i was a kid, i found a razor on the ground outside of church and i leaned it up against our car tire
we got a flat on the way home
thats my confession
when i was a kid, i found a razor on the ground outside of church and i leaned it up against our car tire
we got a flat on the way home
thats my confession
Lol but then you might have had to stay near church more, why would you do something like that
Lol but then you might have had to stay near church more, why would you do something like that
How dare you! Church is good, nothing bad EVER happens at a church or in the name of any religion… oh wait... fuck nevermind
This is a tad late, but better late than never? LOL
Kenny and Smudge–sweeties--as much as I respect you and think you are great thinkers--it seems to me just a teeny tiny bit of hubris to think you have "the" answers for anyone but yourself. You can share what you have learned that worked for you, or even simply tell your story, and others may hear it and find something of worth for themselves that they can adapt, but chances are that your exact answers are not precisely what would work for them, anyway.
…but then again, I more or less believe that is how it is meant to be--that our "purpose" here is to learn for ourselves, so I think it is only right and proper that people must find their own answers anyway--that in fact they are incapable, for the most part, of making use of the answers others have toiled for until they are ready to hear and until they are able to adapt what they hear for their own purposes.
But eh, on second thought, The older I get the more I realize how precious little I actually do know, anyway, so carry on.
(taboo! How old were you when this… event... occurred?)
It's not huge news to medical professionals that people eat too much meat in general. I also said that too much meat in your diet causes a greater risk of cancer or heart disease, not that it itself causes heart disease.
What is "too much meat" Gliblord. For anything your posting to be true we would have to be operating on people who eat red meat every single day, which is not what anyone here is expousing.
Again, this is corroborated by tons of evidence.
Is it? What cancer are we talking about here? There is no "cancer", it's a catch all term for a huge array of bullshit that pops up in the body, from tons of types of tumors to stuff like Leukemia which isn't localized.
The statement "this –-> maybe more cancer" reeks exactly of the sort of sensationalist journalism you were berrating.
Unless of course you are in fact talking about guys who stuff bacon cheesburgers down their throats on the regular. In which case why are you telling the people on the thread about this. In which case maybe you can see why you're ruffling feathers.
Of course the feathers you're ruffling with me are different ones.
What I'm condemning is people jumping the gun whenever they see some bullshit science article with a sensationalistic headline like "Fries cause cancer; chewing gum causes cancer!" and then saying "fuck it, whatevs." You don't have to heed that stuff; what I'm advocating is a balanced diet. Fries are just fine in moderation. And, again, I encourage everyone to enjoy a burger once in a while.
That's how you're posting this and running in here. A little late now to double back.
Even bringing up the cancer thing was over the line. Save that shit for when someone posts "YO I EAT THAT ALL THE TIME EVERY TIME, IM ADDICTED".
As for whether or not I'm blowing the issue up too much, behold:
http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1134845
Is this proteins or meats? Or for that matter red?
This isn't some alternative news shit. This is the USDA chart. Objectively too much meat. That is objectively bad for you. By the way, my fellow Americans, we should also be making a larger precentage of our diet fruit, of all things.
Stop this snotty tone and maybe you'll learn to deliver the message.
@I:
(taboo! How old were you when this… event... occurred?)
around 9 or maybe a little younger
around 9 or maybe a little younger
Ah I see… We are here for you as you deal with the pain of this traumatic memory, dear.
Let me share a young child confession of my own, to help you feel less alone. When i was about that same age, I went on an early morning fishing trip with my dad and g'pa. Dad had what seemed to my mind an ultra cool flashlight--but he would not let me touch it. (Darn!) While we were sitting in the boat (a tiny 6 person row boat) in the middle of the lake, he used it to help him see to thread a worm onto a hook, then I saw him put it into a coat pocket. Man, I wanted that flashlight! So, while he was busy with something else, I pick-pocketed that thing right outta there--I marveled at how easy it seemed, at how unaware he was of my behavior, how handily it slid out of the pocket---and as soon as it came free of the last bit of confining fabric, it promptly fell out of my guilty grip, bumped over the edge of the boat, and sank into the drink, never to be seen again. Instant karma gets you every time.
@Monkey:
What is "too much meat" Gliblord. For anything your posting to be true we would have to be operating on people who eat red meat every single day, which is not what anyone here is expousing.
Is it? What cancer are we talking about here? There is no "cancer", it's a catch all term for a huge array of bullshit that pops up in the body, from tons of types of tumors to stuff like Leukemia which isn't localized.
The statement "this –-> maybe more cancer" reeks exactly of the sort of sensationalist journalism you were berrating.
Unless of course you are in fact talking about guys who stuff bacon cheesburgers down their throats on the regular. In which case why are you telling the people on the thread about this. In which case maybe you can see why you're ruffling feathers.
Of course the feathers you're ruffling with me are different ones.That's how you're posting this and running in here. A little late now to double back.
Even bringing up the cancer thing was over the line. Save that shit for when someone posts "YO I EAT THAT ALL THE TIME EVERY TIME, IM ADDICTED".Is this proteins or meats? Or for that matter red?
Stop this snotty tone and maybe you'll learn to deliver the message.
Look, I'm really not trying to be snotty or anything. I'm just trying to say what I believe are the facts. I apologize if I've crossed a line.
The USDA chart is for meat in general, the study I linked to is specifically for red meat.
I have to disagree with your assertion that me saying "eating red meat is linked to higher mortality/ cancer/ heart disease" is just as sensationalist as science news headlines, simply because the aim of a sensationalist news headline is to shock. I'm trying to inform, reflecting what I understand the facts to be.
That's all I know. I don't know the specifics or the mechanism behind it.
I am feeling very depressed again. It's always the same cycle over and over. I hate feeling like life isn't worth living. A teacher I admire from high school is always talking about how kids should be full of energy. I mean, the guy's like how many times older than us, and he's way more energetic. Sometimes (okay a lot of the time) we'd roll our eyes at his antics, but at least he's got a positive outlook. That was probably the highest point in my life because I had all that positive energy rubbing off on me. After so many years, he's still full of that positive energy and how does he do it?? how do people do it. I don't know what I need. There's that one epiphany I haven't made, that one thing that would make this all okay again. I've worked myself into a rut and can't seem to get out. I hate not knowing what I want. Everyone always says it's ok. it's okay to not know, but I keep feeling this pressure that says it's not ok to feel lost. my parents keep pressuring me and I can't deal with trying to figure out a career path. It seems like everyone but me has their whole life planned out already and they're working hard to accomplish those things, but I don't have that. Looking ahead scares me. Being an adult and having all this responsibility seems like too much for me to handle. How am I gonna manage that when it feels like too much of a struggle as is? It's absurd how easily discouraged I have allowed myself to become.
@I:
This is a tad late, but better late than never? LOL
Kenny and Smudge–sweeties--as much as I respect you and think you are great thinkers--it seems to me just a teeny tiny bit of hubris to think you have "the" answers for anyone but yourself. You can share what you have learned that worked for you, or even simply tell your story, and others may hear it and find something of worth for themselves that they can adapt, but chances are that your exact answers are not precisely what would work for them, anyway.
…but then again, I more or less believe that is how it is meant to be--that our "purpose" here is to learn for ourselves, so I think it is only right and proper that people must find their own answers anyway--that in fact they are incapable, for the most part, of making use of the answers others have toiled for until they are ready to hear and until they are able to adapt what they hear for their own purposes.
But eh, on second thought, The older I get the more I realize how precious little I actually do know, anyway, so carry on.
(taboo! How old were you when this… event... occurred?)
! Oh no, trust me, I had the answers.
! You ever noticed that whenever I'm having a serious or semi-serious conversation I always use qualifiers like "probably", "in my experience", "in my personal opinion", etc. Essentially, I'm always making sure that I don't speak out of line and say that I definitively know something in regards to anything opinionated.
! That said, the "answers" I'm referring to here are the most clear-cut, completely irrefutable actions that they could have taken that would have solved all of their problems. There was no, "oh, this might work" or personalized avenues for them. They were the answers.
! I wouldn't be stressing this if I wasn't entirely certain. That said, I still agree with you.
! Edit: To clarify, this wasn't something complex like them trying to figure out their own answers or path or whatever. This was pure hard-headedness.
! I still sympathize, don't get me wrong. But there's a certain level of self-infliction where it's no longer about the struggle (as that would insinuate the attempt to move up or on) and more just them spiraling downward for no good reason. And I even empathize with that, believe me.
! But you need to be able to listen and at least consider what it is that people are saying to you. You don't have to do what they say, but at least listen. That's all I mean. Gather perspective and listen.
Bustercall - yeah i know what you mean about knowing so little. ive always been too sure of my knowledge on life and the universe, but the truth is everything i knew and understood was only a dot in the infinite mechanics of the world and its goings on. I only need to go to another country or state and be amazed at just how different everything really is, from how people have their coffee to local values and outlooks on life itself. But despite my shock and continuous discoveries im making im always kept entertained and enthralled.
Aaaaaaanyway…life for me has just done a backflip. Ive got less than six months to complete three months agricultural work and reapply for a second year visa, not to mention juggle my partner coming over in a month which i have to say seems next to nigh impossible. Oh and not only that but ive got to move out sometime in the next month as the guy im living with has started doing crack and become not quite right in the head. hes getting paranoid and blames me for just about everything. I wont go into detail but the point is i wont allow the lve of my life to be around someone that i no longer trust.
i have to say the temptation right now is just to fuck off everyone i know and go and sort my life out.
@I:
Ah I see… We are here for you as you deal with the pain of this traumatic memory, dear.
Let me share a young child confession of my own, to help you feel less alone. When i was about that same age, I went on an early morning fishing trip with my dad and g'pa. Dad had what seemed to my mind an ultra cool flashlight--but he would not let me touch it. (Darn!) While we were sitting in the boat (a tiny 6 person row boat) in the middle of the lake, he used it to help him see to thread a worm onto a hook, then I saw him put it into a coat pocket. Man, I wanted that flashlight! So, while he was busy with something else, I pick-pocketed that thing right outta there--I marveled at how easy it seemed, at how unaware he was of my behavior, how handily it slid out of the pocket---and as soon as it came free of the last bit of confining fabric, it promptly fell out of my guilty grip, bumped over the edge of the boat, and sank into the drink, never to be seen again. Instant karma gets you every time.
Oh one of these little stories about things you did as a kid and would always regret or feel guilty about. I have a couple, but I'll only share one. One of them is far too disturbing to share publicly or even privately.
Back when I lived in Trinidad(probably 8-9 years old), I set fire to some dry grass and didn't really expect it to get huge and out of control<what a="" stupid="" kid<="" span="">. So I ran away and watched it all from my house window. Fortunately my uncle was laying taking a nap nearby, as he heard the fire and immediately sprinted into action. He along with several others managed to put it out before it reached another house that was inches away from the fire. Everyone blamed the weather and humidity(there was a dry drought at the time), but for some reason… uncle blamed me. I lied my way out of it, and he never bought it up again afterwards.
It was all an unfortunate and stupid accident.</what>
Look, I'm really not trying to be snotty or anything. I'm just trying to say what I believe are the facts. I apologize if I've crossed a line.
The USDA chart is for meat in general, the study I linked to is specifically for red meat.
I have to disagree with your assertion that me saying "eating red meat is linked to higher mortality/ cancer/ heart disease" is just as sensationalist as science news headlines, simply because the aim of a sensationalist news headline is to shock. I'm trying to inform, reflecting what I understand the facts to be.
That's all I know. I don't know the specifics or the mechanism behind it.
And I'm just saying, Cancer isn't like that.
Cancer does not come from meat. Just saying as someone who studied cancer all of last year.
A cancer is just a growth/piece of the body that is growing and living without the body controlling it. So if meat id s factor maybe it is bad meat that had some mutating chemicals.
@bartholemew:
Cancer does not come from meat. Just saying as someone who studied cancer all of last year.
A cancer is just a growth/piece of the body that is growing and living without the body controlling it. So if meat id s factor maybe it is bad meat that had some mutating chemicals.
I'm still waiting on my recent ultrasound for the follow up to my Thyroid Cancer. Before I left a doctor who wasn't "mine" seemed really interested that one lymph node was stranger than all the others. He didn't tell me anything else.
I'd hate for it to be a recurrence. Which I thought was unlikely since I had a total neck dissection.
@bartholemew:
Cancer does not come from meat. Just saying as someone who studied cancer all of last year.
A cancer is just a growth/piece of the body that is growing and living without the body controlling it. So if meat id s factor maybe it is bad meat that had some mutating chemicals.
That makes sense. With all the shit they put in our food, who knows if it isn't that what's causing cancer instead of meat.
Just saying, mankind has been eating meat since day one and has been pretty much okay with it, just makes more sense to me that some new preservatives aren't fully researched, many shady things are going on in the food industry. Here you occasionally hear news about meat or vegetables imported from other countries having some chemicals on that would have never been approved official, or food labeled as bio just being regular food with a sticker on (I actually had to do this when I worked as a clerk), and Switzerland is really strict with food regulations, probably more than the average European country, so I don't want to imagine what slips into other countries.
I'm no vegan or vegetarian, I just try to stay away from animal products made in mass production as much as possible, that shit is really fucking sick.
just read the last post. so this is what it's come to
Yeahhhh sorry you had to read that. I really should have deleted that sooner.
@Monkey:
I'm still waiting on my recent ultrasound for the follow up to my Thyroid Cancer. Before I left a doctor who wasn't "mine" seemed really interested that one lymph node was stranger than all the others. He didn't tell me anything else.
I'd hate for it to be a recurrence. Which I thought was unlikely since I had a total neck dissection.
Dude, I hope it goes well D:
I arrogantly made fun of kids in high school who liked anime and manga, having no idea what the hell I was talking about. Now, having read/watched so much of it, I feel like a complete jerk. I wish I could go apologize to each of them for having been such a rude bastard, but unfortunately I was just too good to become friends with them. Cuz you know, I was SOOO COOL.
So instead, I will confess here and now, that I have been an ignorant, arrogant, and mean person in the past. I am not the same as I was then; I apologize to all of you for, by extension, ripping on you all as well for liking something that I knew nothing about at the time.
I arrogantly made fun of kids in high school who liked anime and manga, having no idea what the hell I was talking about. Now, having read/watched so much of it, I feel like a complete jerk. I wish I could go apologize to each of them for having been such a rude bastard, but unfortunately I was just too good to become friends with them. Cuz you know, I was SOOO COOL.
So instead, I will confess here and now, that I have been an ignorant, arrogant, and mean person in the past. I am not the same as I was then; I apologize to all of you for, by extension, ripping on you all as well for liking something that I knew nothing about at the time.
No… it can't be? Jason?
I feel very little sympathy–if any at all--for people who commit suicide because they were bullied. Instead, I think they're complete cowards for taking the "easy way out" (for something so stupid).
That's an incredibly easy thing to say though.
What's value does your sympathy have?
I don't see anything cowardly about people who are in so much pain that they would end their life. The real cowards are the people that see others hurting and don't do anything to try to comfort, encourage or empathize with them.
@The:
I feel very little sympathy–if any at all--for people who commit suicide because they were bullied. Instead, I think they're complete cowards for taking the "easy way out" (for something so stupid).
Please don't think that way.
Whether or not you've ever been in that situation yourself and you think you're judging from experience, even then what you're saying is just too much. Like, whether or not one has been bullied and thinks they've had comparable experiences to those who have committed suicide, it almost comes off as some twisted and misdirected pride to say that.
To call anybody a coward, to think that's genuinely some easy way out, is an insane level of arrogance directed at something that doesn't need it. It's also genuinely heartless.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202
This article is always thrown into these talks, but it's because it's a good one to illustrate a point about what overwhelming pressure bullying can produce and the reasons suicides can happen.
It's one thing to be frustrated that suicides happen when life can go on, but it's another to go so far as to say "they're so cowardly" when they've effectively spent so much time trying to be brave, or put up with it, that their methods for coping are drained and they are incapable of going forward.
Yeah I don't really get aggression against suicidal people.
It's a completely selfish act (suicide).
The people who bully them are pricks, I'll agree to that for sure. But they solve a (more than likely) temporary problem with a permanent rash solution (that they can't ever remedy). And they make others (family and friends) feel the same amount of pain, if not more, than they felt before taking their life. I sympathize with their families and friends, but I simply can not sympathize with them.
I suppose it's something you have to experience firsthand to fully "grasp", but, as a mere onlooker (you've already heard my opinion)…
I used to think that way for such a long time. I couldn't understand how something could get so bad that someone felt they had to end their lives. and I guess I still don't know how these things happen and how nobody can see what's happening or don't try to help. I'm afraid of dying, so maybe that's why I personally haven't done so, even though I have frequent depression. Or constant depression. Whichever. I think calling bullies "pricks" is a vast understatement. It pisses me off when people say all these horrible things to some random stranger because WHY. Why why why. It's not right.
Well Laughing Man, that sort of stance doesn't work just because it seems logical from an outsider's perspective. I will repeat, the best way to describe suicide sometimes is that it's the result of someone who has lost a means of coping with any multitude of problems. Depression, especially, is something that does not and can not be helped really just by coming up with logical solutions.
It's not a choice made when someone is in the most rational state of mind. And sometimes, that idea that it's a temporary problem? That doesn't exist in their heads because the pain exists, it's there and probably at the forefront of their mind damn constantly. For a kid who is bullied, the idea of "ohhh it'll get better in four years" is possibly the stupidest thing anybody can think of as far as deterrents goes. What's especially complicated is that a lot of the pain might be bottled away, so their friends and family may not even realize and helping can be excruciatingly difficult.
This is a very complicated issue and putting any aggression or blame on suicide victims is just a bad move. It's not selfish because suicide is an irrational act. It's not good, it's a very bad, very sad, very terrible thing. But the pain a suicide victim feels and a pain that their friends and family feel if they go through with it are just parallel.
One of them isn't more important than the other, honestly, as far as "what's worse as a consequence" goes and trying to blame suicide victims for triggering more pain is just batshit.
If any blame at all has to be directed for suicide caused by bullies and not just internal depression, then please just direct it at bullies and the circumstances that put the suicide victim in that place because those bullies? Those are rational, aware people who should fully be held accountable for their actions and consequences. Not someone who has suffered.
I confess I feel annoyed about the last last post I made which I deleted. the confession thread is like an advice/venting thread. at least that's what I personally think it is, but maybe I'm wrong there. Perhaps I've used it too often for the latter and I feel like I'm ignored precisely because of that reason. Then the only response I got for something I didn't want a response on in the first place made me feel like I shouldn't post here because it's not okay. I don't feel as though advice is helping me, which is probably why I've just used this to vent lately.
so this is what it's come to
I just got irritated at this because that makes it seem like whoops entire thread ruined!! All because of my frustration, which I find myself deleting because I can't properly explain why I get so frustrated all the time and it's just an incoherent mess. Everyone else who's not me has real problems and I think the conversation is thoughtful and just because I'm the only idiot doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile thread. I don't even know if that makes sense because I'm just about as noticeable as a minnow or a gnat, but it bothers me. Probably because I didn't have a chance to delete my rant before someone read it. For once I didn't want anybody to read, which is weird because I hate feeling isolated all the time and like nobody cares. But obviously confessing shit has stopped being effective in any way. I guess I need to find another way to get angry without having to been embarrassed about it the next day. Maybe turn it into something else. A friend I knew told me that she'd kick holes in her bedroom walls when she was angry, but that's hardly advisable for me. Physical violence is not good, and the words that can come out of me when I'm in a rage is almost always something that I come to regret shortly. It's a pattern that's been plaguing me for years. I mean, when the fuck did I get to be so angry all the time?? I need to find some sort of quiet place which works to calm me down and stuff. I just haven't found what that is yet.
@Mari: I didn't really think you should have removed your orignal post, nor I really think the response that followed after it was appropriate. It's a vent thread afterall. You should not feel secluded.
Sorry I cannot do much myself. I get angry too and I have no idea what is a justified way to express that. I think doing so makes people hate me more or say petulant things they have been hiding or keeping to themselves for a long time. So I don't know. Just keep doing things that makes you happy personally, and try to keep your irritations in check or at a bare minimum. That's the best I have, since it's the best I'm good at.
So my brother is the biggest dick on the planet right now. His best friend is college has been ignored and shrugged off by him for months ever since he started hanging out again with his older, less reputable friends. He's also ignored me for months and only calls to ask if a status update I posted was about him. So I called him out on everything he's been doing to his friend, and his response? "I was only friends with her because I felt sorry for her."
I want to beat this kid up and grind him into pieces because he may be family, but my family is full of pieces of shit already. It really disappoints me that he's becoming another one. It's atrocious how he doesn't even have a fucking reason for this besides "oh she's crazy and clingy she keeps texting me everyday"
Last I checked, isn't that how it's supposed to work?
/vent
I also feel that suicide is the easy way out of lifes problems. At least if he does not want to help himself he can go help others less fortunate. It is what my suicidal friend did after failing to kill himself. He is still alive and as happy as ever.
@bartholemew:
I also feel that suicide is the easy way out of lifes problems.
I don't think it's so much that that people are arguing about. Driving to the train station and laying down on the tracks is almost definitely "easier" than enduring decades of emotional pain. It's the idea that we shouldn't blame and fault people for resorting to it. It's just too easy to say, "People who commit suicide are weak cowards." They're taking the "easy" way out precisely every other option seems impossibly unbearable. To the rational thinker it may seems selfish and lazy, but as Ash said, that no longer has relevance when one is at such a low point (which is why I know I've never actually come close; the thought of my mother carrying on alone prevents me from even taking the first practical step). Could religion be at least partially responsible for differing opinions on how suicide reflects on the character of a person? Seems like the "crime" is compounded even more if one believes the act to be an affront to god (a thought that would never cross my mind).
…A college acquaintance of mine actually committed suicide a few days ago. Although it's gross to politicize something like that, people are already pointing to the shitty quality of college-provided mental health services, which has long been a problem. Sad state of affairs.
I confess I feel annoyed about the last last post I made which I deleted. the confession thread is like an advice/venting thread. at least that's what I personally think it is, but maybe I'm wrong there. Perhaps I've used it too often for the latter and I feel like I'm ignored precisely because of that reason.
You shouldn't have deleted it… at least not because the thread creator made you feel embarrassed or whatever. This should obviously be a no judgment zone, unless you admit to being a murderer or baby-puncher. If you do want to repost it, I can send you the text via pm.
@Mari: I didn't really think you should have removed your orignal post, nor I really think the response that followed after it was appropriate. It's a vent thread afterall. You should not feel secluded.
Sorry I cannot do much myself. I get angry too and I have no idea what is a justified way to express that. I think doing so makes people hate me more or say petulant things they have been hiding or keeping to themselves for a long time. So I don't know. Just keep doing things that makes you happy personally, and try to keep your irritations in check or at a bare minimum. That's the best I have, since it's the best I'm good at.
I've ranted before, but that was probably the most raw unedited CAPS rant ever. I mean, usually when I rant I try to collect my thoughts somehow (even though like I said I nearly always regret what I write afterward), but what can I say. sometimes I think I've got the weirdest family in existence. I talked about this before, but the back and forth of my emotions where family is concerned is ridiculous. The speed with which I can go from loving to hating them is probably not healthy. Literally all I did recently (and this isn't directly related to my deleted post) was watch some TV early in the morning because we were going to go do chores somewhere else, but I figured might as well pass the time until we were ready to leave, and dad got so pissy with me and was making accusations when he walked in on me. I know I've got to learn restraint, because that was a major problem in college, but it's like I'm no longer allowed to have fun without being guilty. and I feel guilty. Sometimes I feel like I can't do what I want because there's this paranoia of being interrupted. Or more like being watched. The feeling rarely leaves me. You know that saying "if you've got nothing to hide"? I've always thought that was an obnoxious way of reasoning… Anything I do enjoy is scorned and mocked by my family, which is part of why I feel I have to hide what I like and what I'm doing. There is not a single understanding bone in them, especially my dad's gross misinterpretation of my hobbies and how I feel about things. It's that inability to understand which made me snap a few posts prior. I know he won't get it even if he let me try to explain properly, and it's such a chaotic mix of feelings that even I can't seem to find the right way of explaining it.
@CCC:
You shouldn't have deleted it… at least not because the thread creator made you feel embarrassed or whatever. This should obviously be a no judgment zone, unless you admit to being a murderer or baby-puncher. If you do want to repost it, I can send you the text via pm.
well that was only part of it, but I mean I really lost it. Family issues drive me up the wall. I guess what I can do is attempt to really think about how to best explain and try to form proper sentences next time. IDK, perhaps if I learned how to wait a day before expressing these things, I'd be a little less embarrassed. But basically, I have this subconscious thing that I do, which I've been doing for years and not necessarily realizing. My dad's apparently noticed it all this time and never thought anything of it, but because of a confession I made to him, he's even more easily angered than before (and believe me, his temper is unbelievable) and so he freaked out at what I think was a completely inappropriate, unnecessary moment to do so. Like…. literally one glance set him off like a volcano. I know my dad loves me. But that misguided love is causing strife that doesn't need to be there if he didn't freak out over that one thing. My sibling doesn't understand because he doesn't know I told dad about the incident involving my sibling and I. while telling the truth was "the right thing to do," I've been wondering for some time now whether that was the best choice because of the time lapse between the incident and my confession. Since my dad's always had a notorious temper, my sibling probably thought it was "same old same old" dad routine. But dad's keeping that knowledge to himself instead of talking about it like he said we would eventually, but we haven't, and mom doesn't know. And because it's been such a long time now (around august of last year I think), I'm think to myself "when is it ever going to be appropriate to talk about now??" If I had immediately confessed, we'd have had that talk, and at least that would be out of the way.
@The:
Please don't think that way.
Whether or not you've ever been in that situation yourself and you think you're judging from experience, even then what you're saying is just too much. Like, whether or not one has been bullied and thinks they've had comparable experiences to those who have committed suicide, it almost comes off as some twisted and misdirected pride to say that.
To call anybody a coward, to think that's genuinely some easy way out, is an insane level of arrogance directed at something that doesn't need it. It's also genuinely heartless.
I agree with you. People don't commit suicide simply because they're weak and selfish, and that they can't take a little anguish. Suicide is the result of a complete loss of hope and seemingly irreparable injury.
However, I don't feel "compassion" for suicidal people either. There are very few cases where suicide is the best option, and that's usually when you are going to die horribly anyway, judged from concrete facts and evidence. Their decision to kill themselves may stem from erroneous judgment made in pain, but there's nothing really to be compassionate or sympathetic about. I think compassion should best be reserved for those who persevere and strive for survival and life. Sure, suicide is sad, but when a person reaches the point when he or she seriously considers ending his or her life, there is still an obvious choice to make: live or die. To live in misery or to die and "escape" suffering.
I personally feel that staying alive always yields the best results in the long term even when everything seems hopeless, shitty, and unworthy of continuing. Life probably "threw a screwball" at you to make you collapse into suicide, but life also gives you "miracles". Life's kind of random, yet balanced over time. So I think life is rather fair overall, and that one of the most important skills one should acquire and hone in life is patience, tolerance, and perseverance. Life can be fucking hard sometimes, but just roll with it. It can also be incredibly perfect too.
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@Monkey:
I'm still waiting on my recent ultrasound for the follow up to my Thyroid Cancer. Before I left a doctor who wasn't "mine" seemed really interested that one lymph node was stranger than all the others. He didn't tell me anything else.
I'd hate for it to be a recurrence. Which I thought was unlikely since I had a total neck dissection.
Fuck Cancer. It's like all those oncogenes were put there on purpose to make our bodies vulnerable to every little oxidizer that we consume or inhale, including oxygen. Not to mention all the ways our genes mess themselves up.
The truth about cancer, unfortunately, is that it can be caused by anything.
Anyway, glad to see you haven't kicked the bucket.
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Meat IS pretty awful for you, guys. Well, red meat is, at least. That is an undeniable scientific fact. We SHOULD, by all rights, eat way more vegetables and way less meat if we want to live longer and healthier. The animal cruelty aspect of the issue is also pretty difficult to argue against.
That's not to say we should abstain from meat entirely, just that we shouldn't load up on it like we do.
I get the whole "FUCK VEGETARIANS AMIRITE OM NOM NOM" thing, because they can definitely be obnoxious, but that's no excuse to be obnoxious back.
That being said, that guy isn't just an obnoxious vegetarian evangelist, he's just a huge dick in general. He should be scorned.
My doctor says I need to eat more protein. But thought of having tasteless tofu everyday would deter all my appreciation of the wonderful variety of food, so I think I'm going to appreciate my morsels of large mammals.
However, I have to agree that raising cattle is hazardous to the environment. I don't think beef should be a commodity rather than a luxury (meaning eaten occasionally and not very frequently).
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I think it's cruel to wonder if a mere handful of people can be human too.
Androids with perfect artificial soulless intelligence is overpopulating our Earth dude.
Serious shit. By 2016, there would not be anyone left to shed a tear.
Therapist would be out of jobs. Nut houses would be empty.
It would be the greatest depression era of all time.
Without the depression.It would be like
The trippy happy shit only druggies can possibly imagine.
Without the drugs
Lol. I imagine that those "soulless" droid would evolve emotions, given time, and then the droids would be making droid therapists, arguing droid policies, getting into fights with other droids, creating droid politics, waging droid wars, etc.
Our emotions were inherited from our ancestors, which were, at one time, "emotionless".
Ah, but you see, the point isn't in feeling compassionate for people who end up making the choice of not caring about anything anymore and taking their own lives solely for the sake of them dying being sad, but in the fact that very deeply depressed, suicidal people lead a continuously rough life characterized by endless, paralyzing emotional pain and struggle with their feelings. Whether they commit suicide or not is secondary, it is the horrible numbing shit and misery they go through that makes others feel empathetic. Nine times out of ten those people can't climb out of the hole they and the surrounding circumstances have created alone, very few people are that strong.
I harbor suicidal thoughts very often when I'm feeling awful, and in this case like really awful with trying to make the ends meet (can I eat this today so I can still have dinner in two weeks?), worrying about potentially losing my home, having no real friends, not knowing what route to take with my studies and with cumulative stress from dealing with aging grandparents and stressed family members plus other various more or less important things I won't describe in detail here. This is every day these days. Every time I look at a knife the first thing that comes to my mind is that the item I'm looking at is a possible means for killing myself and ending the misery, and my God does that wear one down fast. There's no way in hell I would ever do anything that drastic, but there are a lot of people with far worse trouble coming in their way than what I'm experiencing. Knowing how much it sucks and knowing how much help I feel I personally need, I can't NOT feel compassionate.
People may not commit suicide because they're selfish individuals overall, and their emotional burden may be heavy, but the act itself is still a selfish one.
It only "relieves" them, and only them, and brings emotional pain to everyone else close to them; maybe even more than they felt themselves. Heck…their suicide may even result in another suicide, and the "pain trail" continues.
Sometimes I feel like I can't do what I want because there's this paranoia of being interrupted. Or more like being watched. The feeling rarely leaves me. You know that saying "if you've got nothing to hide"? I've always thought that was an obnoxious way of reasoning… Anything I do enjoy is scorned and mocked by my family, which is part of why I feel I have to hide what I like and what I'm doing. There is not a single understanding bone in them, especially my dad's gross misinterpretation of my hobbies and how I feel about things. It's that inability to understand which made me snap a few posts prior. I know he won't get it even if he let me try to explain properly, and it's such a chaotic mix of feelings that even I can't seem to find the right way of explaining it.
I know you are probably feeling like you can't do what you want because of the lack of approval from your parent or family, but think of it this way. You are eventually going to leave the nest. And I don't mean moving out or anything like that. I'm talking about breaking away dependability. It's sort of the thing that any good parent would look forward to, and sometimes there are habits they they themselves would disagree with or outright disapprove of. Point is, you should be who you want to be and do whatever makes you happy.
But I don;t know. I think I've probably said something like this along the lines to you before, and I'm not sure if I'm repeating myself. Point is you are growing up. Only you can decide what makes you, "you". It may be a really hard thing to do, but you have a whole life to develop on that. Not asking you to rebel or anything(I rebelled a bit for my sense of place too, but nothing extreme).
That's an incredibly easy thing to say though.
What's value does your sympathy have?
Repeat of what I said for this suicide talk that seems to go in circles. Because.
I have absolutely nothing else to say for this.
Nor I really care for making anyone aware of their own ignorance.
See? What "could have been" is a really useless way to assert a personal belief in anything. Atleast for me.
And..
I don't think I'm going to touch this topic with a 6 foot pole anymore. It's just so superficially offensive for the sakes of it.
You know… Maybe my stance on the topic is a bit...harsh, and maybe I should try to improve on it (by gaining more sympathy). I'm always willing to better myself as a human being afterall, but changing such a strict mindset can't happen over night.
I'm losing interest in One Piece very, very slowly, but steadily.
I'm losing interest in One Piece very, very slowly, but steadily.
Yeah, it happens. You could try to stop reading it for a few months and come back later to see if it still interests you. There's no real point in doing something you don't really like for a prolonged period of time just because. Take a break and read something else.
I would say, take a break. It REALLY helps. But you can never DROP IT!
I'm losing interest in One Piece very, very slowly, but steadily.
This isn't really a concern for me. Just read some other series then come back to it. Or don't come back to it. But hey, there's some cool merit in saying "I was on the journey for however many years". Seeing people like Zephos still interested in One Piece is very encouraging to me and pretty much guarantees that I'll always be interested, if I had any doubt.
I gave the manga a break around 2007. I think that was around the time of the TB arc. I came back around 2009, late 2008. Caught up and my interest came back. But right now lately I've been on a One Piece fix. It's the most I've been into the series in a long time. Not to buy collectibles or anything but just watching and reading it even if I don't like the anime as much. Seeing the scenes in Funi's dub is fun.