Tickets are bought (Friday at 1:00!), Bobart is supporitng (alas, Cap and Iron Man proved really tricky, nothing I'm satisfied with… maybe later.) and so now... to just avoid this thread... and aintitcool for a couple more days. Looking forward to this thing!
Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
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Sadly, I think I may have to wait till next weekend to see it due to my work schedule and me wanting to see it with family. I would hate having to deal with opening weekend crowds anyway.
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Man I really, really need to see the movie again before everyone starts talking about it.
@RobbyBevard:
Tickets are bought (Friday at 1:00!), Bobart is supporitng (alas, Cap and Iron Man proved really tricky, nothing I'm satisfied with… maybe later.) and so now... to just avoid this thread... and aintitcool for a couple more days. Looking forward to this thing!
What about Hawk Eye?:( Everyone always forgets Hawk Eye.
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@Thousand:
What about Hawk Eye?:( Everyone always forgets Hawk Eye.
His movie look is boring. It'd basically be normal Bobart.
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@RobbyBevard:
His movie look is boring. It'd basically be normal Bobart.
You could just put a quiver of arrows on his back.
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Just celebrate Hawkeye with the official Hawkeye theme from Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, the most godlike theme in the whole game:
Capcom, I'm still waiting the patch to nerf this god tier theme.
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Hawk Eye was awesome in the movie btw, he was as prominent as the rest of the gang.
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! I thought his introduction scene in the Avengers established him as actually quite threatening - but beside that, it didn't really matter as such. By himself, he could give each of the heroes a good fight, but even after getting apprehended by Iron Man and Cap, he still appeared somewhat threatening to me since all of that was part of his plan - I loved Hiddleston in this role and I think the character of Loki was played out just perfectly. The way he didn't even mind being in that "cage" on Fury's ship and simply smiled all the time made him all the more menacing and respectable as a villain. Just my opinion
! He lost my respect as a villain when he tries to catch Hawkeye arrow which he know will explode anyway instead of dodging it, and whatever threatening thing about him just gone when he got owned by hulk after gloating about his superiority. He might look intimidating at first but for me he just all talk and no show. At no moment during the movie that the heroes actually threatened by him
@Juvar:! but as Smudge said, in the end he was just another pawn, able to fulfill his role even, and I really, really enjoyed him as a villain.
! and in the end he is the only villain other then fodder that we see fighting in this movie
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@Thousand:
Hawk Eye was awesome in the movie btw, he was as prominent as the rest of the gang.
Cool. I was really hoping that all the heroes get an equal or adequate amount of screentime. I take it this is the case?
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@Thousand:
Hawk Eye was awesome in the movie btw, he was as prominent as the rest of the gang.
616 Hawkeye fans will be dissappointed though. The movie version is basically Ultimate Hawkeye.
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! He lost my respect as a villain when he tries to catch Hawkeye arrow which he know will explode anyway instead of dodging it, and whatever threatening thing about him just gone when he got owned by hulk after gloating about his superiority. He might look intimidating at first but for me he just all talk and no show. At no moment during the movie that the heroes actually threatened by him
! and in the end he is the only villain other then fodder that we see fighting in this movie
Major spoilers here peoples.
! Loki was a fine villain, he was a very good villain actually. Far more threatening and interesting than in Thor where he was just a whiny baby with daddy issues. His superiority complex and contempt of humanity was well developed and intriguing and he was a good foil to the heroes for most of the movie. Yes, he got bitch-slapped around in the end rather than some major climactic battle, well that was the freakin' point. He was not the final villain, he was simply an avatar for a far greater war, a deluded narcissist dealing with forces far beyond his ken, a prospective tyrant destined to lose control and be over-taken by forces far greater than he. That was the whole point of his character, they drew parallelisms between him and Hitler, it couldn't be more clear. I'm over-analyzing this a bit but my point is, the way he was taken out did not undermine his character, his role was nothing more than a messenger and him taken out in such a near comical manner served to show how small he really was in the grand scheme of things. It's not that he was weak or a poor villain, he was just in over his head. His grand speeches were well done and threatening when they were made before but the moment he brought in the war, his role in the story was done. He had become powerless in the face of all the chaos he had caused and any more speeches he gave would have just came off as pretentious. Which is why it was so freakin' awesome that Hulk raped his ass during the middle of one. You were done Loki, sorry but you couldn't pull off another one.
Cool. I was really hoping that all the heroes get an equal or adequate amount of screentime. I take it this is the case?
Definitely, the cast balance was the best part of the movie for me. Many people have been afraid that the movie was going to be the Iron Man show with characters like Hawk Eye and Black Widow barely contributing anything. Nothing could be further from the truth. They all contributed substantially to the plot, they all kicked major ass, they all felt like main characters. It's nothing short of masterful writing to be able to balance such a large cast in 2 and a half hours but Joss Whedon definitely pulled it off.
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Well everything is looking amazing so far! I just bought my tickets for the midnight premier at my local theater. My body is ready.
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No, it's not. You'd think it's ready but it's not. I barely survived the experience :>
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@Thousand:
! Loki was a fine villain, he was a very good villain actually. Far more threatening and interesting than in Thor where he was just a whiny baby with daddy issues. His superiority complex and contempt of humanity was well developed and intriguing and he was a good foil to the heroes for most of the movie. Yes, he got bitch-slapped around in the end rather than some major climactic battle, well that was the freakin' point. He was not the final villain, he was simply an avatar for a far greater war, a deluded narcissist dealing with forces far beyond his ken, a prospective tyrant destined to lose control and be over-taken by forces far greater than he. That was the whole point of his character, they drew parallelisms between him and Hitler, it couldn't be more clear. I'm over-analyzing this a bit but my point is, the way he was taken out did not undermine his character, his role was nothing more than a messenger and him taken out in such a near comical manner served to show how small he really was in the grand scheme of things. It's not that he was weak or a poor villain, he was just in over his head. His grand speeches were well done and threatening when they were made before but the moment he brought in the war, his role in the story was done. He had become powerless in the face of all the chaos he had caused and any more speeches he gave would have just came off as pretentious. Which is why it was so freakin' awesome that Hulk raped his ass during the middle of one. You were done Loki, sorry but you couldn't pull off another one.
While admittedly not seeing the movie, that doesn't sound very impressive.
! I mean, at least in the original Norse myths, when Ragnarok occurs, he's the one who leads the Forces of Chaos into it, and with his mutual death against Heimdall is among the last to die, even after Gods like Odin, Thor and Tyr and his monstrous children Fenrir and Jormungand die, which sounds like he has some fighting skill, even if it's sorcery and some importance.
! True, he's a liar, manipulator and trickster first and foremost, but I mean, the movie versions seem to be a bit too weak for someone who could do at least black magic and shapeshifting (as shown by Odin's strange horse whose name escapes me at the moment) -
@Thousand:
! Loki was a fine villain, he was a very good villain actually. Far more threatening and interesting than in Thor where he was just a whiny baby with daddy issues. His superiority complex and contempt of humanity was well developed and intriguing and he was a good foil to the heroes for most of the movie. Yes, he got bitch-slapped around in the end rather than some major climactic battle, well that was the freakin' point. He was not the final villain, he was simply an avatar for a far greater war, a deluded narcissist dealing with forces far beyond his ken, a prospective tyrant destined to lose control and be over-taken by forces far greater than he. That was the whole point of his character, they drew parallelisms between him and Hitler, it couldn't be more clear. I'm over-analyzing this a bit but my point is, the way he was taken out did not undermine his character, his role was nothing more than a messenger and him taken out in such a near comical manner served to show how small he really was in the grand scheme of things. It's not that he was weak or a poor villain, he was just in over his head. His grand speeches were well done and threatening when they were made before but the moment he brought in the war, his role in the story was done. He had become powerless in the face of all the chaos he had caused and any more speeches he gave would have just came off as pretentious. Which is why it was so freakin' awesome that Hulk raped his ass during the middle of one. You were done Loki, sorry but you couldn't pull off another one.
! I'm fine with loki if he wasn't the final villain in this movie but he is, which is why its so disappointing for me. and the war that he brought is also a dud, the only thing it brought is more fodder and some big flying machine that got one shotted by the hulk. you know you fail as a villain when the most threatening moment in the movie is not come from your plan but from retaliation act that's done by your opponent
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! I'm fine with loki if he wasn't the final villain in this movie but he is, which is why its so disappointing for me. and the war that he brought is also a dud, the only thing it brought is more fodder and some big flying machine that got one shotted by the hulk. you know you fail as a villain when the most threatening moment in the movie is not come from your plan but from retaliation act that's done by your opponent
[[/QUOTE]! No, he wasn't and it was made pretty clear that he wasn't. He was just a pawn in a far greater game. And as such, he fit the role as well as could be. He was a threatening and competent villain throughout the entire movie, his character was simply done when he brought in the war because he was no longer in control of the situation. The war was also a great fight and certainly not a dud. They incredible amounts of devastation, threatened the lives of many innocent people, pushed the Avengers to their limit which is what mattered. The only reason the heroes won was mostly pure dumb luck and a near sacrifice play by Tony. It was fine, there did not need to be an ultimate end all villain, Thanos can be saved for later.
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Watched this last night, great film. Hulk & Loki were particularly brilliant.
This Hulk is best Hulk.
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@Thousand:
! The only reason the heroes won was mostly pure dumb luck and a near sacrifice play by Tony. It was fine, there did not need to be an ultimate end all villain, Thanos can be saved for later.
! No, it the other way around. The only reason the heroes is threatened is because of poor luck in their part. They already near closing the gate before the nuclear is launched and the only reason tony doing a sacrifice play is because their own government tried to nuke out new york and his armor power is running low
@Thousand:! They incredible amounts of devastation
! it only effect new york that like what 0.1% of the earth.
@Thousand:! threatened the lives of many innocent people
! That's like the minimal requirement for a villain in any big action movie.
@Thousand:! pushed the Avengers to their limit which is what mattered.
! Are we watching the same movie, none of the Avengers is even injured at the end.
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Where I am there are doing a marathon of 4or 5 movies leading up to the Avengers movie premere I'm thinking about going.
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Okay, dunno how many people know about this, but there is a Facebook game that I recently got hooked onto the involves the Avengers.
click here
It is a Facebook game, so expect the usual headache…but it's a pretty fun turn based RPG game. It has it's own storyline and introduces you to a wider cast of Marvel heroes. It even has specially powered costumes for the Avenger characters that are in the movie...I know it will probably be ignored but hey, it's relevant...
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! No, it the other way around. The only reason the heroes is threatened is because of poor luck in their part. They already near closing the gate before the nuclear is launched and the only reason tony doing a sacrifice play is because their own government tried to nuke out new york and his armor power is running low
! No, it was pure luck that the nuke came at all let alone in time at all. Had they managed to close the gate, they would have still had to contend with a bunch of soldiers left on Earth and they were already on their last legs. Had the nuke come too late, they would have been blown to smithereens. It was it coming at the exact right moment that saved their asses.
@left4lol:! it only effect new york that like what 0.1% of the earth.
! It's not about how wide the world was affected, it's about what we as the audience see, what we as the audience care about. We saw the civilians running in fear, the massive destruction of buildings and vehicles, we get personally invested in the chaos and that's far more engaging. The smaller scale is better because it's easier to visualize and focus to what was going on compared to say they nuked half the planet and we would be totally disconnected to that.
@left4lol:! That's like the minimal requirement for a villain in any big action movie.
! The point is it was done effectively. The people acted like people would in that situation, we could relate to them and we can take seriously what they're going through. If a villain can evoke such emotions, then the character is fulfilling its role.
! Are we watching the same movie, none of the Avengers is even injured at the end.
! Have you seen the same movie? Because it was pretty clear that had the battle gone any longer, the Avengers would have lost. Hawk Eye was fresh out of arrows, Hulk was getting pulverized, Iron Man's suit was getting shredded, Captain America got shot in the stomach. They were all getting tired and the soldiers kept coming and coming with no end in sight. The enemy's main strength was their numbers and the heroes were getting over-powered.
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! Don't forget that tiny knife, it sure hurt Thor.
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Why is there micro analysis of what is essentially a super fun popcorn film going on.
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Why is there micro analysis of what is essentially a super fun popcorn film going on.
The same reason that people have to constantly compete this against Dark Knight Rises despite being completely different types of movies besides being superhero ones I guess.
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@Thousand:
! No, it was pure luck that the nuke came at all let alone in time at all. Had they managed to close the gate, they would have still had to contend with a bunch of soldiers left on Earth and they were already on their last legs. Had the nuke come too late, they would have been blown to smithereens. It was it coming at the exact right moment that saved their asses.
! It's not about how wide the world was affected, it's about what we as the audience see, what we as the audience care about. We saw the civilians running in fear, the massive destruction of buildings and vehicles, we get personally invested in the chaos and that's far more engaging. The smaller scale is better because it's easier to visualize and focus to what was going on compared to say they nuked half the planet and we would be totally disconnected to that.
! The point is it was done effectively. The people acted like people would in that situation, we could relate to them and we can take seriously what they're going through. If a villain can evoke such emotions, then the character is fulfilling its role.
! Have you seen the same movie? Because it was pretty clear that had the battle gone any longer, the Avengers would have lost. Hawk Eye was fresh out of arrows, Hulk was getting pulverized, Iron Man's suit was getting shredded, Captain America got shot in the stomach. They were all getting tired and the soldiers kept coming and coming with no end in sight. The enemy's main strength was their numbers and the heroes were getting over-powered.
Let just say that we have different opinion on that scene and move on. I clearly didn't get the same feeling when i watched that scene as you do. any more discussion on this part is pointless. I stand with my original statement that the villain in this movie is disappointing. if you impressed by them then go ahead its your opinion anyway.
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Finally can look in this thread without being spoiled. Very good movie MVP is definitely Bruce Banner/Hulk Whedon knocked it out the park with him. Black Widow grew on me throughout and I really liked her by the end Scarlett was pretty badass can't front.
And the argument about Loki being the villian
! he was great IMO all the way up to his conversation with Tony but after that he was pretty meh but his job was already done so it didn't hurt the movie. If Thanos pops up in the sequel it's on that is all.
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And the argument about Loki being the villian
! he was great IMO all the way up to his conversation with Tony but after that he was pretty meh but his job was already done so it didn't hurt the movie.
! This is pretty much how I feel about it. Loki was threatening and creepy throughout most of the movie. He even still (or especially) pulled it off when he got himself "captured". And once the army was there, yeah he had done his job and it was time to show how totally in over his head he was.
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Can't wait till Friday to read these spoilers! :P
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! Hulk was great.
"Time to get angry doctor" - "Wanna know a secret Captain? I'm ALWAYS angry"
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^Better put a spoiler on that one, that was a pretty nice twist and I think most people here haven't seen it yet.
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sigh I did it for him.
Let's reiterate people:
USE SPOILER TAGS
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When can we stop? Tomorrow? The weekend? I'm dying to see some open discussion about it
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I do find this some-what amusing. How often is open-discussion allowed for manga chapters before their official legal release? (ie: Bakuman, One Piece etc via SJ Alpha). If I had a spoiler for the movie as my avatar, it would be problematic. If someone has a panel from a chapter pre SJ Alpha, perfectly OK on the forum. The movie is out legally, there are not so legal ways to see the film online just like scanlations. Anyways, seeing the movie again tomorrow. Will be fun with the new tidbit at the end of the scrolling credits.
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I don't think there is a new tidbit at the end. When I went to see it, it wasn't there. But maybe we got the version the American premiere got?
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The alternative to watching a camrip is going to a cinema. The alternative to a scanlation is renting an alpha chapter. In the first case you get the full experience in exchange for the price of a ticket. In the second case you receive the product two weeks later, for a limited amount of time and only if you live in the Northern America. Doesn't seem to be too difficult of a decision.
What is amusing here is that a film with Captain America doesn't premiere in the states first.
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! The scene is there
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Just one more day! :)
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The alternative to watching a camrip is going to a cinema. The alternative to a scanlation is renting an alpha chapter. In the first case you get the full experience in exchange for the price of a ticket. In the second case you receive the product two weeks later, for a limited amount of time and only if you live in the Northern America. Doesn't seem to be too difficult of a decision.
What is amusing here is that a film with Captain America doesn't premiere in the states first.
I already made that joke:p
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! The scene is there
! Is it the scene with Thanos? Because I saw that. Or is it something at the very end. Because in that case they didn't show it.
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Ebert's review of it is out. He gave it three stars. Of course, he hates Thor and Loki.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120502/REVIEWS/120509997
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Ebert's a great critic and all but he's just not suited for reviewing these types of movies. He just doesn't get their appeal and it shows.
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Tom Hiddleston's reprise of Loki was one of my favourite things in the film.
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sigh I did it for him.
Let's reiterate people:
USE SPOILER TAGS
Oh my bad, wasn't aware that this movie wasn't already out everwhere
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When can we stop? Tomorrow? The weekend? I'm dying to see some open discussion about it
After the majority of the forum has had a fair chance to see it.
Same with manga, where spoiler tags stick around for a day or two (ESPECIALLY with series that have uneven release schedules) until the general flow of discussion of everyone in the room has settled into a "everyone has read it now and we've talked for three pages of tags".
Generally its a bit more lax with series that come out Wednesday mornings like clockwork, since it can be assumed by Thursday morning, everyone that's interested has had time to spend five minutes reading it by now.
And when it comes to movies, or major plot twists, tags are fair game for courtesy even months later. In a case like this, spoiler tags should be running strong AT LEAST though the weekend. And anything really major should be tagged for the forseeable future.
"I liked the scene where X was involved in an action sequence!" or "i thought that joke about W was pretty funny!" is fine after a couple days.
However
"I thought the scene where X betrayed Y and then the giant Z came in and killed V was great!" should really be tagged for… pretty much forever.I do find this some-what amusing. How often is open-discussion allowed for manga chapters before their official legal release? (ie: Bakuman, One Piece etc via SJ Alpha). If I had a spoiler for the movie as my avatar, it would be problematic. If someone has a panel from a chapter pre SJ Alpha, perfectly OK on the forum. The movie is out legally, there are not so legal ways to see the film online just like scanlations. Anyways, seeing the movie again tomorrow. Will be fun with the new tidbit at the end of the scrolling credits.
Once the scanlations are out, everyone has the same opportunity to see them with the same amount of convenience. Those that choose to only read the later releases, or only watch the anime (which is a YEAR behind!) make that choice. Yeah, the scans come out a couple days before the actual japanese magazine does, but the majority of visitors to this site can't read that edition anyway.
While its great to support the SJAlpha releases, they've failed in so many different ways (and don't apply to this worldwide board in the first place) that its kind of ridiculous… and we DID create a unique section for people who just want to follow those releases... its up to them to avoid everywhere else on the site. If it was a 3 day gap we'd absolutely enforce that as the cutoff date, but when its nearly 3 weeks, thats just a really awkward break for the series this site is dedicated to.
Same goes for stuff airing on tv, that generally gets tagged for a day or two after airing, since not everyone catches it when it runs and has to catch the rerun. But generally its assumed anyone following the series enough to catch it and talk about it regularly is going to try to catch last week's episode before the next one airs.
Theatrical releases or video games are a different beast entirely, since its a one time event, doesn't have a simultaneous release, and getting out to a theatre is out of an ordinary schedule. Its common for people to not get to a theatre to see a movie for two or three weeks, or not even until it gets to dvd months later. Or for those overseas to not even have the option for months. While at the same time, people want to see opinions such as "I enjoyed it, it's worth your time!" or up to date news or teases or special events about it, and so keep visitng the threads about it, without necessarily wanting to know anything about the story.
So it gets tagged for a long time.
I mean, the Muppets thread still has the joke title so as to not ruin the fantastic surprise of the joke trailer from 6 months before the movie came out!
Really, it takes all of half a second to write out
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Only one thing I have to say
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@Thousand:
Ebert's a great critic and all but he's just not suited for reviewing these types of movies. He just doesn't get their appeal and it shows.
I don't think that's it, considering he gave X-Men 3 3.5/4 stars. Ebert's just senile and bitter these days.
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I don't think that's it, considering he gave X-Men 3 3.5/4 stars. Ebert's just senile and bitter these days.
I'll confess that I still haven't seen Tree of Life, but he recently named it as one of the best movies of all time. In the same vein as Citizen Kane, Apocalypse Now and Tokyo Story.
I'm dead serious.
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You mean that pretentious piece of crap? Blegh.
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I can see why people would like Tree of Life. Fantastic cinematography, and some creative storytelling choices going on… it pretends to have a greater message than it really does, and... stuff. If it had all been unrelated 5 minute vignettes it would be brilliant. But its all related 5 minute vignettes, plus a scene with dinosaurs, so it just seems like it was oddly edited in order to seem smarter than it actually is. If it didn't have the non-linear narrative, everyone would see it for the bore it is.
Anyway. Avengers. Tomorrow at 1:00 for me!
And remember everyone, stay after the credits, there's probably something in there.
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Planning to watch it again tomorrow. Hopefully that extra scene is in there.
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@RobbyBevard:
And remember everyone, stay after the credits, there's probably something in there.
I hope it won't be a spoiler to confirm that there is indeed something in there after the credits. It's pretty big (probably even a sequel hook) and you sure as hell don't want to miss that.