Well, not that he would turn his sword into diamond. He'd be impossible to cut. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Mihawk couldn't cut Joz at war.
General Blackbeard Thread
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We (as in arlong park) came to the conclusion that the flying slash doesn't have the whole power of Mihawk behind it, so It can't cut Mr 1 (and he was cut later by a direct slash) nor diamonds (who's Zoro's master teased to be one of the ultimate thresholds of power of a swordsman)
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We (as in arlong park) are so cool.
But I don't believe that the BB crew members will recieve DF's we've allready seen. Plus Jozu is most likely still alive, so yeah…
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You don't want to piss off Al!na,
Just back down bro!
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Maby Laffitte ate the pokemon fruit. Poké Poké fruit.
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We (as in arlong park) are so cool.
But I don't believe that the BB crew members will recieve DF's we've allready seen. Plus Jozu is most likely still alive, so yeah…
I dunno, I wouldn't think they'd enjoy someone like Teach taking over their territory without a fight, so unless the just stopped being pirates, either they got kicked out after a bad loss, or were slaughtered during the conquest. Any survivors probably went to Shanks either way.
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@Al!naJames:
Sorry, I do not have anything against Pokemon, but it's like a childish game to me, I don't think Oda would use that to tie in a devil fruit. That's still a poket monster in the game, not an actual owl. He can't base a myth zoan off a 90's game, can he?
You can hate or like Pokemon, true, but no one can deny the impact it had on the world. Especially on most anime/manga fans:
Examples we can easily relate to:
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Quite a few readers of Naruto wondered why Sasuke's lightning based attacks are effective against Deidara's ground jutsus…because we all know it apparently "doesn't work like that".
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Even after chapter 650 people believe that Sakazuki simply had to win the fight against Aokiji because "fire/lava just has to beat ice" (basically ignoring the ton of other series having different outcomes between the clash of the elements - but never mind, what Pokemon taught us is law)
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Similar arguments were made on the offscreen fight between Ace and Jinbe, with the latter only being able to stall Ace because "water just beats fire" - again, ignoring other media.
So, if Oda decides on introducing a mythical owl zoan with the ability to hypnotize people, no one will give a damn if there was a legendary hypno bird in mythology or not.
Also, why do people assume that he has to take a legendary creature and copy it 1 : 1? He never does that, he seems to always mix various things, as well as adding his own flavor to it.I mean, readers already came up with Alice in wonderland, Hensel & Gretel and Tenshinhan from DBZ after Big Mums official introduction, so I see no problem in introducing a mythical zoan based on an owl that just happens to grant the ability of hypnosis (or super hypnosis Aizen style whatever, since it's legendary ^^)
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I think it's a crime to put Alice in Wonderland and Pokemon on the same level…
You can't make an OWL a mystical zoan since owls are not at all mystical, they are regular birds.
I also don't spot any connections in what you mentioned, especially I fail to see howsome shit likeNaruto and Bleach can ever have some influence on One Piece. Akainu/Aokiji and Jinbe/Ace references are just… huh? What? Sorry. -
I like the idea of Mime-chan being a Pokemon.
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@Al!naJames:
I think it's a crime to put Alice in Wonderland and Pokemon on the same level…
You can't make an OWL a mystical zoan since owls are not at all mystical, they are regular birds.
I also don't spot any connections in what you mentioned, especially I fail to see howsome shit likeNaruto and Bleach can ever have some influence on One Piece. Akainu/Aokiji and Jinbe/Ace references are just… huh? What? Sorry.Naruto and Bleach don't have an influence on One Piece, but Pokemon influenced it's readers/gamers and changed their perception of things (see the examples given - all of the three arguments were made on this forum even, frequently).
All I want to say is that Pokemon, how silly and childish some might find it, is more than "worthy" of being referenced to.As for putting Alice in Wonderland and Pokemon on the same level, I never did that. I gave an example how Oda creates his world, and he undoubtedly does it by mixing various themes from known series/tales/persons/etc.
With the introduction of Big Mam we have Alice in Wonderland, Hensel & Gretel and another of the dozen Dragon Ball references (with the 3 eyed Tenshinhan girl).
Is it a crime to put Dragonball and Alice in Wonderland on the same level too?Nearly everything seems to have room in Oda's world, and I don't see why he couldn't take a mythical owls name (they are prominent creatures in greek mythology) combine it with a fitting appearance (think of Horus, although he had a falcon theme), with one of his abilities being hypnosis or whatever. Thats why I said there is no need to take something 1 : 1 from mythology only because its called a mythical zoan.
But whatever, I actually doubt that his fruit (if his ability really stems from one) is of a mythical level. Lafitte was a lousy police officer, I doubt you hold such a position with a rare fruit (assuming every m-zoan is somewhat extra unique and powerful)
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It's not mythology if you just make it up…
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But whatever, I actually doubt that his fruit (if his ability really stems from one) is of a mythical level. Lafitte was a lousy police officer, I doubt you hold such a position with a rare fruit (assuming every m-zoan is somewhat extra unique and powerful)
Maybe he got his fruit after he was excommunicated.
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Whatever powers a devil fruit provides is irrelevant to the name and classification of the fruit itself. You can't just take a regular animal, tack on a super power, then call it a mythical beast. A mythical beast is one derived from mythology. Owls are real animals, not mythical beasts. Just because they are present in mythology doesn't make them mythical.
Something like Sandersonia being able to make snakes out of her hair is fine as a zoan devil fruit ability. It's not like it's because she's eaten a Hydra-Hydra (or Orochi) fruit.
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Agreed. I don't think taking a regular animal, give it a super power, and then declaring that this animal is a mythical beast. But hey, we took a horse, tacked a horn on its forehead and called it a mythical beast. Beside, is there a law that stated that all of your powers come in the package with the devil fruit? Look at Jango, he got hypnosis powers. Do it look like he got a devil fruit? Maybe Laffite is just able to use hypnosis, and his devil fruit was not the cause of his hypnosis powers.
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The main reason why I think it should be related to his fruit is that it would have been too random otherwise. Jango and Goldenweek were based around their hypno powers while Laffitte suddenly had the ability after GoJ doors opening, Like Oda forgot about it and had to put the responsibility onto anybody.
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I think BB should take kizaru's fruit then he could be dark and light!
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I think BB should take kizaru's fruit then he could be dark and light!
Blackbeard's power is not darkness; it's gravity. Oda represented this as a black ooze (or whatever it is), most probably because less knowledgable readers think gravity => black hole => BLACK HOLZ MUST B BLACK. I think Kage-Kage and Pika-Pika go better together in terms of opposites…
I like the idea of Lafitte having an owl fruit...somehow it fits his somewhat creepy image and Pokemon has influenced me (and I'm sure scores of other people) to relate owls with hypnosis.
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@Al!naJames:
Sorry, I do not have anything against Pokemon, but it's like a childish game to me, I don't think Oda would use that to tie in a devil fruit. That's still a pocket monster in the game, not an actual owl. He can't base a myth zoan off a 90's game, can he?
Where Pokemon might seem like a childish game to you, the series still holds culture importance. Video games are just as worthy of crediting as movies or books are. Am I saying that character in question was inspired by a Pokemon, no but the notion isn't completely ridiculous just because the inspiration is assumed to originate from a pop culture icon.
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Oda's turning 37 today. He's from an older generation so I will never in my whole life believe he would take an inspiration from a game that was out in 1996 (OP already existed in pilot chapters at that time).
Like I said, the main thing against owl fruit is that white is not the main colour for owls.
To be honest, you can believe in whatever fruit for him you want, a dove, an owl, a swan, a crane, an albatross, a chicken, albino craw or anything else you could possibly imagine since everything is possible, but this is certainly not a place to show off your pokemon appreciation.
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Blackbeard's power is not darkness; it's gravity. Oda represented this as a black ooze (or whatever it is), most probably because less knowledgable readers think gravity => black hole => BLACK HOLZ MUST B BLACK. I think Kage-Kage
and Pika-Pika go better together…I like the idea of Lafitte having an owl fruit...somehow it fits his somewhat creepy image and Pokemon has influenced me (and I'm sure scores of other people) to relate owls with hypnosis.
But dooesnt yami mean dark?
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Blackbeard's fruit is darkness. He even says it himself when he says Ace is fire.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2547-18/one-piece/chapter-440.html
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@Al!naJames:
Oda's turning 37 today. He's from an older generation so I will never in my whole life believe he would take an inspiration from a game that was out in 1996 (OP already existed in pilot chapters at that time).
Like I said, the main thing against owl fruit is that white is not the main colour for owls.
To be honest, you can believe in whatever fruit for him you want, a dove, an owl, a swan, a crane, an albatross, a chicken, albino craw or anything else you could possibly imagine since everything is possible, but this is certainly not a place to show off your pokemon appreciation.
I wasn't really trying to show off my Pokemon anything, I was just saying that it wasn't impossible,inspiration can come from anywhere, regardless of how old you are. Personally I always thought he was a dove or a wing paramecia ( though that would be a tad strange).
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But dooesnt yami mean dark?
Yes, and Pika means glimmer, glitter or sparkle. Devil Fruit names don't always directly relate to the power; in both instances they refer to an aesthetic aspect (as well as an aspect of the power, too, but not the power as a whole).
Blackbeard's fruit is darkness. He even says it himself when he says Ace is fire.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2547-18/one-piece/chapter-440.html
But of course. He is darkness, but his power is to control gravity. In this case, darkness is represented as gravity.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2548-15/one-piece/chapter-441.html
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Owls are real animals, not mythical beasts. Just because they are present in mythology doesn't make them mythical.
Kotan koru Kamuy, the God that Protects the Village. Literally the giant owl of Hokkaido and the Russian Far East known as Blakiston's Fish-owl Ketupa blakistoni. This owl nests in mature deciduous trees in riparian woodlands, in the same areas that many Ainu settlements were situated. its voice would have been one of the common night sounds for Hokkaido Ainu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamuy
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I don't even want to debate that. Do you really want to bring up an obscure mythological owl to justify a mythical owl zoan fruit?
Let's be real. You lose a lot of meaning to 'mythical zoan' if you're just going to have random animal-gods used where a regular zoan fruit would work just as well. There is no Owl devil fruit yet, and introducing a 'mythical owl' devil fruit would be confusing at best. And this isn't to say Lafitte even has an owl fruit.
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I don't even want to debate that. Do you really want to bring up an obscure mythological owl to justify a mythical owl zoan fruit?
obscure here, not in japan, and i'm just considering it as a possibility. And i don't see why it has to be mythicla anyways. A normal owl zoan would work just fine. there is a lot of superstitions and beliefs about the eyes of owls since they are really big for them and they can't move them, oda can exaggerate this till the point where he realtes it with hypnosis.
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Well, no one thinks about the fact that Teach was the only one D. in Shirohige crew and that they should know more about D. people than any others in special since Roger told to Shirohige about the D. Then is possible that Kurohige heard the history about the D. from Shirohige, he learned that the D. people was able to stand two devil fruit powers at the same time and he decided to tempt the destiny trying to absorb two Devil Fruits.
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Well,I dunno what the connection between Laffiette and his hypno powers and his potential Owl/pigeon/dove/angel/herpies fruit is but I hope he's got more then just hypno and wings.Like maybe he can turn his feet into tallons and claw at people,Like Marco…Well...,he does know his way around a pistol…So
Hypno+ pistol= potential one hit ko's...Unless your immune to guns,like a skeleton(hint at potential match-up:ninja:)
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Well,I dunno what the connection between Laffiette and his hypno powers and his potential Owl/pigeon/dove/angel/herpies fruit is but I hope he's got more then just hypno and wings.Like maybe he can turn his feet into tallons and claw at people,Like Marco…Well...,he does know his way around a pistol…So
Hypno+ pistol= potential one hit ko's...Unless your immune to guns,like a skeleton(hint at potential match-up:ninja:)
See I understand that Brook and Laffitte have some similarities but wouldn't be more sensible to have the evil navigator(Laffitte) fight the good navigator(Nami)? We're going to have a Captain vs Captain fight and assuming that Shiliew is Teach's first mate, we're going have a fight between him and Zoro, so why not have a navigator vs navigator fight?
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Well, no one thinks about the fact that Teach was the only one D. in Shirohige crew and that they should know more about D. people than any others in special since Roger told to Shirohige about the D. Then is possible that Kurohige heard the history about the D. from Shirohige, he learned that the D. people was able to stand two devil fruit powers at the same time and he decided to tempt the destiny trying to absorb two Devil Fruits.
Hardly possible since it was said that Blackbeard was the first person ever to obtain 2 devil fruits.
That is why I am so sure about his body features as well since it would have been known for previous examples to exist if it was an ability of yami-yami no mi.Zoro is not a first mate and Shiliew is not a first mate either, obviously. Zoro fans often claim he is since he was the first one to join, but Shiliew wasn't so it is not going to work here.
Zoro's official crew position is "swordsman" and that is what possibly going to be Shiliew's.If Nami is by any means "good" I must be Albert Einstein.
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@Al!naJames:
Hardly possible since it was said that Blackbeard was the first person ever to obtain 2 devil fruits.
That is why I am so sure about his body features as well since it would have been known for previous examples to exist if it was an ability of yami-yami no mi.Zoro is not a first mate and Shiliew is not a first mate either, obviously. Zoro fans often claim he is since he was the first one to join, but Shiliew wasn't so it is not going to work here.
Zoro's official crew position is "swordsman" and that is what possibly going to be Shiliew's.If Nami is by any means "good" I must be Albert Einstein.
It's as clear as day that Zoro is the First Mate. He's often mistaken by others as the captain or the strongest, Urogue even refers to him as #2. Luffy also put's a lot of faith in him and generally listens when he opens his mouth like with the the whole Usopp incident. He has more pull than anyone else in the crew, Oda doesn't need to tell us that he is the First Mate in order for us to know. I hope you aren't one of those people who think that all the Division Commanders of Whitebeards ship are all the same strength and all have the same respect/pull within the crew even though it's been made clear on several occasions that Marco is the top dog after Whitebeard.
I'm of the opinion that Laffite is Blackbeards First Mate, the First Mate doesn't always have to be the strongest. I think he's stronger than all of his crewmates bar Shiliew.
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Zoro is not the first mate. He was never called the first mate and Urouge said he's "#2" which refers to second in power. You may think whatever you want but there is no cannon material to prove that and until it appears in manga you have no ground to stand on.
The only time when Oda used "first mate" when talking about Mugiwara crew was in Green with his original plan to make a "sniper-first mate".
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Zoro is not the first mate. He was never called the first mate and Urouge said he's "#2" which refers to second in power.
How would Urogue know who the second strongest of Luffy's crew was? He's clearly talking about rank. "If number two is this crazy then that speaks volumes about the captain" or something to that effect.
You may think whatever you want but there is no cannon material to prove and until it appears in manga you have no ground to stand on.
There is a totem pole in crews whether you want to accept it or not. Take the Heart Pirates for example, Bepo was never stated to be the First Mate but he is at the top of the hierarchy in his crew, above everyone but Law. I don't know about you but I don't need to be told by Oda "HAY GAIS, FIRST MATE HEREZ!!" to know that he is the First Mate.
Even if Zoro was the first mate - we are discussing Blackbeard Pirates here and that would no have any affect on Shiliew's being or not being at that.
Laffite has shown the most authority after Blackbeard, he even threatened to kill Avalo Pizarro. His portrayal just screams First Mate to me. Most lines/panel time, first to be introduced, tasked with important missions, only crew member not to eat Aces Hiken, and he's the only known DF user in the crew aside from BB at this point.
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Neither of the crews have first mates.
Because they are equally important, all of them, not like those fleet crews with tons of human meat running around in the background.Equally important eh? Is that why Blackbeard simply allowed Laffite to threaten his new nakamas life?
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Do you want me to go on quoting how many times Zoro and Sanji promised to kill each other?
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Do you want me to go on quoting how many times Zoro and Sanji promised to kill each other?
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Obvious gag scenes. Lafitte was quite serious.
cause they're unruly,like real pirates
and Shillew will fight Zoro not cause they;re first mates,but cause theyre swordsmans.And Zoro always fights the swordsman
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Or did you forget how many times Usopp said he wants to be captain instead of Luffy? Can't Blackbeards have a gag scene too? Aw.
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=Al!naJames;2482782]Or did you forget how many times Usopp said he wants to be captain instead of Luffy? Can't Blackbeards have a gag scene too? Aw.
Can you really not tell the difference between comic relief and when characters are being serious? xD
and Shillew will fight Zoro not cause they;re first mates,but cause theyre swordsmans.And Zoro always fights the swordsman
Where did I disagree with you?
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first to be introduced, tasked with important missions, only crew member not to eat Aces Hiken
And wait, what?
Laffitte was the last one to be shown out of the first 5. Or do you mean the intro box? He never had it actually. He had his position shown only by volume 45 and in the credit page, too, not all of the fans are aware of that. And he's the only one left without the epithet.
Ace only hit BB, Q and Burgess - Laffitte flew up and Augur run away few panels before that, he's a "supersonic", after all. It's clear if you carefully look through pages of chapter 440.
And Laffitte went to deliver the message since he has a flying fruit, who else could they send?Can you really not tell the difference between comic relief and when characters are being serious? xD
Laffitte wasn't any more serious than Zoro and Sanji usually are. I don't think Pizarro was actually thinking Blackbeard could ever let him lead the way when he asked that. Whole Burning Island scene was full of comic relief, from Shiliew's meddling everybody laughed at to Bonney kicking Blackbeard in the face.
The first 4 members are much more devoted to BB compared to later 5 (at least at first), especially Laffitte.~~–- Update From New Post Merge ---
Smarter? Yes. Stronger? Highly doubt it :P He's not a fighter type.~~
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Zoro isn't the first mate, mainly because there is no real order between the Straw Hats. Luffy doesn't even act like a real captain, and even if he did he would never rank one of his nakama's over the others. It just won't happen.
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When Rayleigh was formally introduced, there was an infobox-thingy stating his status as First Mate of Roger's crew.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2607-19/one-piece/chapter-500.html
Bit of an odd translation…but it outlines the same thing, nonetheless.Lafitte nor any of Blackbeard's crew have gotten an infobox stating that they're first mate, so it's pretty safe to say none of them are.
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I think most of us assume Zoro to be the first mate and to me there are some examples where he takes up this role or where Luffy counts on him as the first mate. Just like when Ussop left the crew at Water 7 to give an example. In Blackbeards crew it's a bit harder though seeing we don't really know that much about the crew and it could be any one of his crew that is the first mate. Certainly after gaining new crew members from Impel Down of whom we know virtually nothing but seeing they have been roaming the New World for 2 years now my guess is that it will be a lot clearer when we see them the next time.
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Funny How Every Time Shiliew's is the topic on this thread it always comes down to the First mate Discussion; Than it comes down to Zoro….
And this is not the First time.http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=12053&page=175&p=2133800&highlight=#post2133800
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28386&page=864&p=2395776&highlight=#post2395776
I suggest you guys Revisit these pages.
First of all.
What is a first mate on a ship?Answer:
The first mate, also called the first officer, is second in command of the vessel
Source - http://wiki.answers.com
A First Mate (副船長 Fuku Senchō?, literally meaning "Vice Captain") is the top officer on board a ship after the captain.
Essentially, the first mate is the one officer the captain must put full trust in and pick carefully. They are the captain's right-hand man and if the captain is not at hand on the ship or is otherwise incapacitated, the first mate is the next in line to take over the captain's job.
Source - http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/First_MateFirst Mate
First Mate had rank just below the Captain. He would take control of the ship if the Captain could not perform his duties any longer. However, pirate ships usually did not have First Mates; Quartermasters performed their duties.
Quartermaster
After Captain, the most authority on a pirate ship had Quartermaster. As a Captain's right hand, he was in charge when Captain was not around. He had authority and he could punish men for not obeying commands.
Source -http://www.thewayofthepirates.com/pirate-life/who-is-who.php
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Stephen's ScriptUrouge: A second-in-command worth 120 million.
He doesn't look like the type to follow another man…
That tells you something about his captain...Now Alina I'm aware of your reply to my post.
Originally Posted by Aohige_AP
Exactly what it says.
He says "second", not specifically first mate.However First mate/Vice captain/Second in command/Quarter Master are one in the same thing, Depending on the Ships Crew.
Captain's Right Hand.
! This is not the first time Zoro's been Shown like this.
Decision Maker When Captain Not Around.
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Not The only time his taken charge when The captain is Incapacitated.It has been shown to us that Zoro has been the guy Who would watch over the crew and protect them
even if his life is lost. Even if he has to force his Crewmates to survive.(knocking out sanji at thriller bark.)2nd in command is not about giving orders. if that were the case than nami would be Captain.
Oda has been showing us that Luffy is the Captain who will protect his Crew at all cost, and the rest of the Strawhats will do the same for each other but We have been Shown By ODA that its zoro who steps up and protects them in luffys absence.
Now Seriously to end this silly Discussion answer me this one Question.
Why in the world would Oda have one of his characters say something like Zoro' is the Second in command when he isn't.
If you Agree that his Second in Command than Explain to me What First Mate Means to you.
Zoro will Fight Shillew Because his most likely the Second strongest in the crew and his a swordsman. Not because Shillew is a first mate, Which his not.