What the living fuck do Russia and China have to gain from preventing Syria from getting help? More alienation from the rest of the world?
Rock the Casbah: Arab-World Revolutions
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Oh…I had good hope with that "peace plan". I was naive. ~_~
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To be honest, I'm still absolutely baffled by that "peace plan". It was crystal clear from the get go that Assad would never call off the soldiers or actually give an order to restore peace. And everybody and their mothers knew that, especially all the Arab leaders. Why did they even come up with something so absurd is beyond me. It just gave Assad a couple of days more time. The only explanation that makes any sense to me is that it was merely a political trick, created solely for Assad to violate, thus giving the Arab league a reason for issuing more sanctions against Syria and perhaps even a justification for a military intervention later on.
And I'm rather sure that China and Russia are only objecting because that way they get to oppose the West. If the Arab league was to invade Syria without the assistance of the Western world, the two would probably have nothing against it. Makes no bloody sense, no, but that's how those two handle their foreign relations. Opposing the West comes first, securing their own interests second, and logical thinking and morals only after those. It gains them nothing, but they get to manifest their individuality and strength by doing that.
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@Cyan:
What the living fuck do Russia and China have to gain from preventing Syria from getting help? More alienation from the rest of the world?
Well consider the Middle East as being at the center of the three big spheres, The West (US and EU), Russia, and China.
And they know that we are on the side of no Assad, and well, it's kind of like petty high school shit really. -
Oh yeah, the peace plan was never going to work. I was glad when it came because I knew it would mean things will go faster than it was. Now sanctions and stuff are all cool, but I wonder what's next from the Arab League?
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Assad's still around? I was hoping he'd kick the bucket while I was cut off from the world at large.
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Jordan's king calls on Syria's Assad to step down
-If I were in Bashar's shoes, I would step down.
-If Bashar has the interest of his country, he would step down, but he would also create an ability to reach out and start a new phase of Syrian political life
Al-Muallem, the foreign minister of Syria, spoke today about how the suspension of Syria from the AL is not legal, blah blah blah, conspiracy, blah blah blah, national dialogue…
It was a delightful press conference to say the least.
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King Trekkie lays down the law.
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Everyone on this thread more qualified than Herman Cain to be president.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324556-503544/herman-cain-stumbles-badly-on-libya-question/ -
@Monkey:
Everyone on this thread more qualified than Herman Cain to be president.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324556-503544/herman-cain-stumbles-badly-on-libya-question/I hate these politicians who just don't seem to be able to say: "yeah I agree with" or "Yeah he's done a good job", just because they're opposition. Damn just do normal jeez.
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-enters exam
-open up the first page
-reads the first question
-hmm, where did i hear this word before?! i swear i've read about this before coming in. argh!"
-wait, I got it!
-writes the first two lines about Liberia with a smile on his face
-haha, man this is easy!
-huh? wait, by libya they mean liberia, right?!
-FUCK!!!This has happened to me before, though not as dump as that. lol
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@Monkey:
Everyone on this thread more qualified than Herman Cain to be president.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324556-503544/herman-cain-stumbles-badly-on-libya-question/I would have done a better job of determining who the opposition is
The fuck ?
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@Monkey:
Everyone on this thread more qualified than Herman Cain to be president.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324556-503544/herman-cain-stumbles-badly-on-libya-question/laughing forever This is just so bad!
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@Monkey:
Everyone on this thread more qualified than Herman Cain to be president.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324556-503544/herman-cain-stumbles-badly-on-libya-question/Cain: "If my answer sounds confusing, it's because I keep getting Libya and Labia confused. And I'm not sure what Obama did, but I'm sure I'm against it."
The guy's not qualified to debate Papa John.
Hermain Cain vs. Papa John:
"Um… was that a pepperoni with cheese or was it a sausage and cheese, hmmmm, I think they said cheese and broccoli, or was that cheese and peppers, I know one of them was green, I am positive there was some green stuff there. I don't know what Papa John made, but I would make it better. You're asking me if I know what a pizza is, right?"
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What an absolute buffoon. Those aren't "thoughts" twirling around in your head, Cain.
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I seriously can't wait until the primaries.
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http://www.npr.org/2011/11/16/142373976/egyptian-groups-plan-mass-anti-military-protests Egypt working out kinks.
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@Cyan:
http://www.npr.org/2011/11/16/142373976/egyptian-groups-plan-mass-anti-military-protests Egypt working out kinks.
The document was nerfed today morning, which is good news in itself. But it's still kinda disappointing that things change to better only when a shout out for a big protest is made.
Source: (sorry, couldn't find a source in english)
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I'm glad we're going to have international observers after all in Egypt. I remember they announced earlier in the year that they were going to not have any, which was like a the biggest red flag ever for "bullshit democracy". But they obviously changed that very bad idea.
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NPR:
The Free Syrian Army, defectors from the Assad side, have launched some attacks, the most prominent being on a military base in Damascus. This base was one of the big players in oppressing protestors and was likely attacked for that reason.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
I'm sorry if this is old news:
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@Monkey:
I'm glad we're going to have international observers after all in Egypt. I remember they announced earlier in the year that they were going to not have any, which was like a the biggest red flag ever for "bullshit democracy". But they obviously changed that very bad idea.
Actually tbh I didn't hear anything about international observers in the coming parliament elections. I cross checked with some friends and they didn't hear it either. Though there will be full judicial supervision (by egyptian judges) on the elections, which is what everyone have been asking for for years now and was never granted before. also the situation this time is kinda different than before as the NDB no longer exists (officially), and there is no affection between the military council and any existing party. So election fraud is no longer a given (at least I hope so)
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I heard that the people in Egypt are also more than unsatisfied with the way the military is acting, it looks like a change of constitution is planned to protect the military from scutiny. Tomorrow a (hopefully peaceful) mass demonstration is suppopsed to be held in the Liberation Square. *Link* I wonder how many people will attend; this will be a good indicator of how badly the military's government is perceived.
When it comes to Syria, they have been kicked out of the arab league yesterday. And today we had organised troops of renegades attacking military buildings of the Syrian government.
Russia finally shows a reaction and called for an urgent meeting with Syria. But I'm not sure if they are actually planning to make Assad stop. -
I heard that the people in Egypt are also more than unsatisfied with the way the military is acting, it looks like a change of constitution is planned to protect the military from scutiny. Tomorrow a (hopefully peaceful) mass demonstration is suppopsed to be held in the Liberation Square. *Link* I wonder how many people will attend; this will be a good indicator of how badly the military's government is perceived.
Yes, people are not satisfied with the military council and yes, there was a peaceful mass demonstration on friday.
Supposedly the issuance of the document in question which gives the military constitutional privileges is postponed till after the parliament elections which is good.
What will happen next? only time will tell.
When it comes to Syria, they have been kicked out of the arab league yesterday. And today we had organised troops of renegades attacking military buildings of the Syrian government.
Russia finally shows a reaction and called for an urgent meeting with Syria. But I'm not sure if they are actually planning to make Assad stop.This may be only my old pessimistic self; but I can't see Assad stepping down. he has too much blood on his hands by now and he seems to still believe that he can stop the protests, which is also not likely. Whatever Russia has to say (if any) will have no effect on him (unless a UN decision is in the making), then the best case scenario will be a painful bloody war like Libya.
If only these people were not so much obsessed with power. Things would have been easy.
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Rebels from Zintan are saying that they have captured Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi.
He's been captured in Obary, Southern Libya.
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2011 is getting in it's final spurt and gives us Saif Al-Islam as a parting gift. This is a really damn crazy year.
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…Lol why the fuck are there 24 gue****sts watching this thread? this is too creepy it's the second time I notice this exact same number
on this thread this week.
Ps: Oh! 3 minutes after it decreased to 19 so they are people?
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It's the coolest thread on AP. Possibly ever.
Really ask yourself how many message boards have a fairly well updated topic about this with actual people from Egypt, Tunisia, and especially Libya.
Fuck, we've been a better info source than any major English language news site aside from Al Jazeera!!!
We've been better than BBC lol.Arlong Park, One Piece fan forum, also 5 star international news and international dating site on the side.
Edit: i should get a purple title lol, drawing in more views than the front page with dis fuckin thread, i want a cut of the ad money
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…Lol why the fuck are there 24 gue****sts watching this thread? this is too creepy it's the second time I notice this exact same number
on this thread this week.
Ps: Oh! 3 minutes after it decreased to 19 so they are people?
It's Herman Cain's entire campaign team desperately researching the Libya topic so that he can be ready before the next debate.
Complicating things since 2009.
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It's Herman Cain's entire campaign team desperately researching the Libya topic so that he can be ready before the next debate.
lol
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It's Herman Cain's entire campaign team desperately researching the Libya topic so that he can be ready before the next debate.
Cain: Oh yes, Libya. Umm…looks at note card..."Gaddafi is screwed and will be gone or dead in a month or so." Also, I support severing our ties to Oman as Sultan Ben Qaboos is...looks at card...a "gay sultan" and therefore very anti-American.
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Oman is apparently one of the most important negotiating countries in the middle east since they somehow have incredibly good ties with the US, Sunni world, and Iran.
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All I know is that Ben Qaboos is the most fashionable motherfucker this side of Prince.
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Oman is just so damn chill.
You can tell because unlike those headwraps that get tied on heads tightly in the other Arab countries, they just wear these colorful turbans.They're the Vermont of Arabia.
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Rest of Arab World: DEATH TO ISRAEL
Oman: Israel, braw, you gotta try this yogurt granola mix me and the wife made from just stuff in the garden, maybe it'll make you like..chillax a bit on the palestianian thing? I mean not cool braw. Not very cool at all. DEFINITELY gonna suggest relaxing to some Byrds and Buffalo Spring man. Like, major time to rethink things, y'know? Be cool man. -
Spot the decent human being!
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Why is that, Yemen being BY FAR the shittiest, poorest, most backwards, and rural Arab country, it was at the start of the year the only one whose president just kind of looked like a mexican lawyer instead of an exotic sultan or bond villain.
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Assad reminds me of an ostrich
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Assad looks like a Dick Tracy villain lol.
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Giraffehead is the boss around here see???
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BAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/peter-martindale/arab-spring_1_b_1027468.html
DIS FUCKIN ARTICLE
ITS SO BBAAAADDDWhat kind of clown thinks the modern west was built off peaceful reforms lolllll,
"hurr durr, me no read 19th century european history, me no heard of world wars"
This man literally lives in a fantasy world.
And the fact that he bases his whole article on comparing the AWFUL VIOLENT arab spring to this imagined Western History makes everything he says worthless ahahahaha.God! Even fucking Switzerland had a civil war in the process of becoming the modern state it is!!!
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Dick Tracy: Why'd you do it, Giraffehead? Why'd you kill those protestors?
Giraffehead picks up a blackboard and begins writing. After a minute and a half, Dick gets bored with waiting and shoots him in the face.
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@Monkey:
Why is that, Yemen being BY FAR the shittiest, poorest, most backwards, and rural Arab country, it was at the start of the year the only one whose president just kind of looked like a mexican lawyer instead of an exotic sultan or bond villain.
Judging by the way you state it, perhaps he just couldn't afford the fancy look.
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Protests gaining momentum starting again in Tahrir Sq.
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[h=6]Photo of Egyptian Police collecting bodies of murdered protesters today… No comment[/h]http://twitpic.com/7h0ewk
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12 mins ago: The battle begins. Tear gas is everywhere in Tahrir. The gas is different!
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WATCH LIVE: http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
but live ammo being fired
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Crap. So they got rid of the dictator, and now they have to deal with the military council…...Do none of these people realize that violence and murder may not be the best way to respond to these protests?
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Reportedly 10 dead and 324 injured:[http://213.158.162.45/~egyptian/index.php?action=news&id=22353&title=10 dead, 324 injured in Tahrir clashes](http://213.158.162.45/~egyptian/index.php?action=news&id=22353&title=10 dead, 324 injured in Tahrir clashes) You would think that having seen Mubarak's fall first hand the military would think twice about this. Betrayers got what's coming to them.
waves at the 33 guests/they are all gone..'kay
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Yep, it was back to the days of tear gas cans & rubber bullets all over again. Now after the people started flooding to tahrir square in numbers (when they attacked earlier there were only a few hundred/a couple of thousands) they announced a “truce” and said that people can demonstrate in the square without being attacked.
The most frustrating/funny/sickening part is that the military council statements after this incident is basically just trolling ala Mubarak style. That and we’re supposed to have parliament elections in 1 week, so why the heck do they to use violence at this point?
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Egypt has always been a fucked up country, 90 percent of them are under-developed mentally and the other 10% abuse the system with connections and dictatorship. Mubarak was not the only man who had to be dropped back then. Since Mubarak left i have been to Egypt twice and the situation is worse than before, maybe the only good thing is that there is this "psuedo"happiness in the people that they got rid of their devil.
Military in power = disaster in middle east. Always and always. (i am looking at you Bashir)WHAT!!!
GO AWAY!!
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@bartholemew:
Egypt has always been a fucked up country, 90 percent of them are under-developed mentally and the other 10% abuse the system with connections and dictatorship.
:blink:… Dude, I don't know from where did you come up with that perception, but I'm neither mentally challenged nor corrupt. Neither have been egypt a "fucked up country".
"Military in power - disaster". Agreed, but you don't seem to be aware of (or rather forgotten) all the developments since January.
Since the beginning of the revolution the army took the side of the people. not a single bullet was shot by a soldier against the protesters. After Mubarak stepped down the spokesman of the military council gave on national tv a military salute to the martyrs of the revolution, confirming that the revolution was from the people and that they (military council) will surrender the power to a civil government within 6 months through democratic elections.
At this point all the people's requests seemed to have been fulfilled. Mubarak was ousted and then put to trial, the government resigned, the NBD was no more and all his top corrupt members were thrown in prison and all that jazz. There was no real reason to doubt the military council except for conspiracy theorists. Having them ruln the country in (the unavoidable) transition period only made sense, specially that there was no one else qualified to assume power .
Now months later the reality has kicked in, the situation now is much darker than it was 8 months ago, but the people seem to be ready for a revolution round 2. That is unless the military council give in to his earlier promises.
I was banned from HxH thread b/c Robby disagrees with my opinion. 
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@Bad:
:blink:… Dude, I don't know from where did you come up with that perception, but I'm neither mentally challenged nor corrupt. Neither have been egypt a "fucked up country".
Not mentally challenged but as the arabs say tafkeer mutakalif, Aggressive and such. You may not be able to see it because you have lived in the environment for too long, or haven't seen it yet (if you don't live there)
"Military in power - disaster". Agreed, but you don't seem to be aware of (or rather forgotten) all the developments since January.
Since the beginning of the revolution the army took the side of the people. not a single bullet was shot by a soldier against the protesters. After Mubarak stepped down the spokesman of the military council gave on national tv a military salute to the martyrs of the revolution, confirming that the revolution was from the people and that they (military council) will surrender the power to a civil government within 6 months through democratic elections.
Here comes my "corrupted" part, many more other than myself predicted that this would happen (months ago) and the whole change in constitution or whatever they are doing to remove all problems from them
At this point all the people's requests seemed to have been fulfilled. Mubarak was ousted and then put to trial, the government resigned, the NBD was no more and all his top corrupt members were thrown in prison and all that jazz. There was no real reason to doubt the military council except for conspiracy theorists. Having them ruln the country in (the unavoidable) transition period only made sense, specially that there was no one else qualified to assume power .
That was all well and dandy after those 18 days of protest.Now months later the reality has kicked in, the situation now is much darker than it was 8 months ago, but the people seem to be ready for a revolution round 2. That is unless the military council give in to his earlier promises.
All the best to the people of Egypt.WHAT!!!
GO AWAY!!
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@bartholemew:
Not mentally challenged but as the arabs say tafkeer mutakalif, Aggressive and such. You may not be able to see it because you have lived in the environment for too long, or haven't seen it yet (if you don't live there)
I'd still disagree with you on that. I had contact in my life with Egyptians on different levels, and saying that they're "mutakhelifeen fikriyan" is really ridiculous. I mean, they just overthrow a dictator with peaceful demonstrations and without being aggressive in their language or behavior during the revolution or anything.
People mix Egyptians happy nature with their thinking which leads them to the same conclusion you made. But in reality, Egyptians are both cool and… (dangerous :ninja:).
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Truth be told the same can and is said about the Libyans. Give them guns and they will catch you a Saif. But most of them are still tafkeer mutakhalif wa primitive.
but i guess that is what you expect after a terrible education for so long.WHAT!!!
GO AWAY!!
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@bartholemew:
Truth be told the same can and is said about the Libyans. Give them guns and they will catch you a Saif. But most of them are still tafkeer mutakhalif wa primitive.
but i guess that is what you expect after a terrible education for so long.How DID the education system work in Libya under Gaddafi anyway ? I mean, did you have to memorise the green book or something like that ?
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All I can say is that Tafkeer Mutakhalif sounds like an awesome name for a band.
