We don't know how long Roger was wearing his SH. In chapter 0 and in the FBs we always saw him with his captain-hat.
The only time we saw him with the SH was in Rayleighs memory.
Shanks was wearin the SH most of the time in the FBs.
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Ok anyway his name is Gol D - Gold so he might have the gold paramecia.. and we havent seen in to anyone yet.
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I reckon Odas gonna recreate the scene where the three admirals were between Luffy and Ace, ionno who will be in Ace's position maybe Sabo? but this time Zoro and Sanji will walk up next to him. Luffy v Akainu, Zoro v Kizaru, Sanji v Aokiji
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Shiliew of the Rain 雨のシリュウ Ame no Shiryū
Jigoro of the Wind 風のジゴロウ, Kaze no Jigorō
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Jigoro
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/ShiliewIt seems that there is a pattern there, i think we'll see two sordsmen more ("of the flame" or something, and "of the rock" or something) Maybe we'll know more about it in wano country arc.
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Also a Strawhat isn't really something as special as a one of a kind DF ability.
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Perhaps that's what makes Roger's story all the more incredible. That a regular man could become the pirate king on a Grand Line that was full of strong people with amazing abilities. I'm leaning towards him not having a fruit, essentially, he is what Batman is to the Justice League.
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I think that underplays the fact that Luffy will become the Pirate King. We have this guy and it's revealed, "Oh, yea he did it with no fruit". First off, this underplays Whitebeard, Luffy, and overplays Garp. Oda has shown carefully that a Fruit is only what you make it; someone like Mr. 5 could have been a much greater threat had he trained his power more. But then we get Luffy, who has worked incredibly hard, and we've seen his story, from front to back cover and it turns out Roger did all of this, without a Devil Fruit….well it makes Luffy's accomplishments all of a sudden seem much weaker compared to Roger then.
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Ok anyway his name is Gol D - Gold so he might have the gold paramecia.. and we havent seen in to anyone yet.
Yeah maybe, but that's like saying "Crocodile has a Crocodile Zoan" or "Garp has a Monkey Zoan" or "Gin has an Alcohol Paramecia".
There's nothing at all to suggest it, and what would a Gold Paramecia even do?
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I think Sandai Kitetsu at some point in the story will be destroyed, leading Zoro to a side-quest to the Land of Wado, obtaining a Meito or a brand-new sword fresh from the forge.
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I think Sandai Kitetsu at some point in the story will be destroyed, leading Zoro to a side-quest to the Land of Wado, obtaining a Meito or a brand-new sword fresh from the forge.
I do think it will be destroyed but during Zoro vs Mihawk. Zoro defeats him with wado ichimonji and takes Mihawk's sword.
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Shiliew of the Rain 雨のシリュウ Ame no Shiryū
Jigoro of the Wind 風のジゴロウ, Kaze no Jigorō
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Jigoro
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/ShiliewIt seems that there is a pattern there, i think we'll see two sordsmen more ("of the flame" or something, and "of the rock" or something) Maybe we'll know more about it in wano country arc.
Zoro mentioned earlier that he wanted a fire sword. :ninja:
I do think it will be destroyed but during Zoro vs Mihawk. Zoro defeats him with wado ichimonji and takes Mihawk's sword.
I'm laughing at this picture of Zoro using Santoryuu with the Kokutou. Really?
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I'm laughing at this picture of Zoro using Santoryuu with the Kokutou. Really?
He'd hold it in his mouth, obviously.
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I think that underplays the fact that Luffy will become the Pirate King. We have this guy and it's revealed, "Oh, yea he did it with no fruit". First off, this underplays Whitebeard, Luffy, and overplays Garp. Oda has shown carefully that a Fruit is only what you make it; someone like Mr. 5 could have been a much greater threat had he trained his power more. But then we get Luffy, who has worked incredibly hard, and we've seen his story, from front to back cover and it turns out Roger did all of this, without a Devil Fruit….well it makes Luffy's accomplishments all of a sudden seem much weaker compared to Roger then.
Do Shanks and Garp underplay WB now? Wouldn't that Underplay Rayleigh? Roger would only have been the Captain only because Rayleigh didn't have a fruit to match him in power. I really don't think we should view characters in this manner. They all have their different skills and different challenges to overcome. I doubt Roger ever had to deal with a roided up Great White Shark under water in a bubble. Reaching Raftel also won't be the end of Luffy's struggles. Luffy will also reach Raftel at a much younger age than Roger so in that way DF or not Luffy will have surpassed the PK.
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I think that underplays the fact that Luffy will become the Pirate King. We have this guy and it's revealed, "Oh, yea he did it with no fruit". First off, this underplays Whitebeard, Luffy, and overplays Garp. Oda has shown carefully that a Fruit is only what you make it; someone like Mr. 5 could have been a much greater threat had he trained his power more. But then we get Luffy, who has worked incredibly hard, and we've seen his story, from front to back cover and it turns out Roger did all of this, without a Devil Fruit….well it makes Luffy's accomplishments all of a sudden seem much weaker compared to Roger then.
I wonder something. Roger has the ability to hear the "Voice of All Things", right? Well, suppose he tried that on a living person, wouldn't a voice like that be like what they are thinking? So, if he could basically mind read, couple this with the three Colors of Haki and probably being a good swordsman (Marksman too, maybe) and great strength, he could know exactly what people would do in a fight before they did, and could be virtually unbeatable.
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Hito Fruit. :ninja:
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Well maybe he got the nickname Gold because of his power and it would be in liquid form which turns solid, just like Mr3's candle.
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Well maybe he got the nickname Gold because of his power and it would be in liquid form which turns solid, just like Mr3's candle.
I mean its possible that his power is just in front of our eyes and we cant see it.Well, considering he said to Whitebeard "My name is Gol", it seems like that was actually his name.
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Well maybe he got the nickname Gold because of his power and it would be in liquid form which turns solid, just like Mr3's candle.
I mean its possible that his power is just in front of our eyes and we cant see it.Or maybe he got the nickname "Gold" because the WG wanted to make people less aware of his connection with the Will of D.
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just like the hat, its obvious that Roger had the Gomu Gomu no Mi
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I think that shilliew will dishonorably land a blow on miwhawk's back and delay Zoro's inevitable fight with him and put Miwhawk out of comission for a while. Then he will take Miwhawk's sword and this will give Zoro an even great ambition to want to kill/defeat shilliew with and win the sword back. Also This part may not be necessary but Zoro will prove his worth to Miwhawk by winning the sword back and giving Miwhawk the spirit to fight after he's recovered.
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There's nothing at all to suggest it, and what would a Gold Paramecia even do?
Not that I'm supporting the theory, but a gold paramecia would probably work something akin to the Midas touch.
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Shanks is obviously some sort of swordsman, but I think there's more to him than sword play. Mihawk is known as the world's greatest swordsman, and it seems to me that Shanks is regarded as stronger. Obviously he doesn't have a devil fruit, and I'm hoping it's something slightly more unique than just haki. (All though he obviously does have it.) All in all I'm just expecting Shanks to have a very, very unique and interesting fighting style.
It is an interesting thought as to whether or not Roger has a devil fruit or not… I've occasionally thought Mizu Mizu no Mi as it seems like a very strong power and no one's shown up with it yet. I don't think he had the Gomu Gomu no Mi... somehow I think at very least Buggy would have recognized the power and mentioned it during his first fight with Luffy, not to mention just about anyone else who knew Roger. I could see Shanks keeping it a secret, but Sengoku, Whitebeard and most of the Whitebeard pirates, one of them would have mentioned it. Not to mention I just don't think that's like One Piece. Their personalities are apparently similar, as many characters have noticed and voiced, but it would just better live up to the One Piece name if Luffy did things in his own unique way rather than the same way Gol D. Roger did.
Anyway, that aside, I also think giving Roger a Logia type would take away from his character just a little. Logia's are the strongest types, and the moment you get one it's very difficult for anyone who hasn't awakened busoshoku haki to defeat you, unless you are unfortunate enough to have a weakness for water or are lightning and run into a person made of rubber. But if it's smoke, poison, light... you've pretty much got the instant win against anyone who can't use busoshoku haki. Which isn't to down the strength of Kizaru, Magellen, and Smoker, as it's obvious their strength is in more than just a fruit they ate. But just eating a Logia type gives you enormous strength right off the bat. I think it'd make Roger just a little less impressive as a person if it were Logia. No, I expect if he did have a devil fruit, it'd be Paramecia. Zoan just doesn't suit him in my opinion... but, you never know. As for what it might be, I'd hope it be something a bit more creative than Gold that seems a little lame to me in relation to his name. I haven't the slightest idea, and I feel like his power has been a well kept secret, but I can't wait to find out.
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Just had a revelation while studying for my exam lol, What would happen to Brook if Blackbeard used his power sucking thing on him? would he die? I mean it seems to work different to sea water effects. Paramecia's bodys are still changed even with sea water and sea stone eg Luffy in Arlong Park, but he wasnt Gomu when he got smashed by Blackbeard in Impel Down so would Brook die instantly lol
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If Roger had the gomu fruit it would be trolling and retarded.
I have faith in Oda that he wont pull such a douchemove…I applaud you… my thoughts exactly but you worded it a lot better 8D.
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As for Shanks I believe that he might have a fighting style combining swords and legs…We havent see him fight, maybe he actually can also kick...
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As for Shanks I believe that he might have a fighting style combining swordsand legs…We havent see him ight, maybe he actually can also kick...
I don't think it's what you're getting at, but that reminds me of Kaku… or Zoro and Sanji's love child... XD.
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Maybe Roger's ability ties in to his 'incurable illness'. His illness clearly didn't steal away much of his health, as he beat everyone in the world without it.
The fact that Roger could do it without a fruit (if that was the case) does underplay Luffy's would-be accomplishment a little, but only if Luffy manages to match Roger's accomplishment. If he exceeds it, then there would be no problem (and he probably will). Remember, Whitebeard said Roger is waiting for someone to carry his will, ie Roger's goal was left incomplete.
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As for Shanks I believe that he might have a fighting style combining swords and legs…We havent see him fight, maybe he actually can also kick...
I think him and Rayleigh are basically Jedis. His CoC actually damages the environment and that was only a little "threat". Think about what happens when Shanks uses the deflection haki or gets serious with CoC? Then he likely has far better pre-cog than Mihawk. I don't think his legs are really a part of his style other than the occasional kick when it suits the situation.
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Just read something interesting, someone was speculating that Robin isn't wearing shades while fighting to look cool but to prevent anyone knowing when she's using her ability and by extension knowing which is the real Robin when she makes her clones, since she usually closes her eyes when using the devil fruit, I think its a very logical and plausible theory, what do you guys think?
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Roger having the Gomu Gomu fruit is not a stupid idea. All you nay-sayers…remember before it was revealed that the straw hat belong to Roger, how many of you would have said "omg thats such a stupid idea its impossible". In many more ways Oda has been trying to portray Luffy as the "second coming" of Roger. There was a good reason Shanks and his crew had the Gomu Gomu fruit with them. First of all, how did they attain it. Secondly, if it was just another devil fruit, I'm sure they would have let one of their crew members eat it instead of bringing it all the way with them in a box like some sort of treasure/memento. When Buggy met Luffy the first thing that reminded him of Roger was the straw hat. Even then, he didn't point out "omg that's Roger's hat", instead saying that the hat "belong to Red-hair" Shanks. Buggy obviously knows more than Oda is making him say, in order to keep surprises as surprises. Like others have said, Logia dusnt make sense for Roger, and a Zoan wud just be lame. In terms of Paramecia fruits the Gomu Gomu fruit has a unique fit with Luffy's personality, which as many have commented is very similar to Roger's. There's also a very good reason it became available when it did, AFTER Roger died...
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http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/612/11
sunny will be "solar powered"Not sure how that makes sense at all.
@kagehisa:Roger having the Gomu Gomu fruit is not a stupid idea.
It really is, though. It would be unoriginal and we know Oda wouldn't do that.
There was a good reason Shanks and his crew had the Gomu Gomu fruit with them. First of all, how did they attain it.
No, there isn't. Check your facts next time. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2039-22/one-piece/chapter-1.html
Secondly, if it was just another devil fruit, I'm sure they would have let one of their crew members eat it instead of bringing it all the way with them in a box like some sort of treasure/memento.
Have you considered that none of them wanted to? Devil Fruits sell for tremendous prices and it's not like Luffy or Buggy ate their Devil Fruits intentionally.
When Buggy met Luffy the first thing that reminded him of Roger was the straw hat. Even then, he didn't point out "omg that's Roger's hat", instead saying that the hat "belong to Red-hair" Shanks.
But Shanks wore the hat as far back as we know, we've never seen Roger wearing the hat around Buggy.
There's also a very good reason it became available when it did, AFTER Roger died…
We still don't know that Devil Fruits regenerate after a user's death, so this is another assumption.
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Also, in buggy flashback, roger's crew didn't believe in devil fruits, so roger didn't have a devil fruit at that moment. He could have obtained it later but for me it would be kinda pointless, seeing how he already had given his strawhat to shanks. Roger should have already had all the features that relates him with luffy when he first met rayleigh.
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Not sure how that makes sense at all.
It really is, though. It would be unoriginal and we know Oda wouldn't do that.
No, there isn't. Check your facts next time. http://www.mangareader.net/103-2039-22/one-piece/chapter-1.html Have you considered that none of them wanted to? Devil Fruits sell for tremendous prices and it's not like Luffy or Buggy ate their Devil Fruits intentionally.
But Shanks wore the hat as far back as we know, we've never seen Roger wearing the hat around Buggy.
We still don't know that Devil Fruits regenerate after a user's death, so this is another assumption.
- Roger being the owner of the hat is stupid and un-original, yet Oda did it anyways.
- Why would Shank's crew, known as one of the laziest/laid back crew in the series, go out of their way to defeat some random pirate gang so they can claim a fruit that none of them ever planned to use? Obviously to the Red Hair pirates the fruit has more sentimental value than actually utility, evidenced by the fact that they fought ppl over it, carry it around with them, and never use it.
- Shanks joined the ship around the same time as Buggy. This has been stated in the manga. Therefore Buggy must have known (if he didnt see) the fact that Roger passed Shanks the hat.
- It's been established that devil fruits are unique and will appear again once the original owner is dead. ie. Whitebeard. I'm not saying it gets crapped out of their corpse, but it does appear somewhere else in the world some unknown period of time after the current owner's death.
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Also, in buggy flashback**, roger's crew didn't believe in devil fruits, so** roger didn't have a devil fruit at that moment. He could have obtained it later but for me it would be kinda pointless, seeing how he already had given his strawhat to shanks. Roger should have already had all the features that relates him with luffy when he first met rayleigh.
if that was the case, Buggy should have been kicked out after he ate his fruit. Again there is no evidence to suggest that Roger did NOT have a fruit. No-one has ever explicitly commented on Roger's possession (or lack thereof) of devil fruit powers.
Would I bet my left ball that Roger had the gomu gomu fruit, or any devil fruit at all? Absolutely NOT.
However, I'm just trying to say that it is within reasonable bounds to expect that Roger MAY have had the Gomu Gomu fruit, as IF he had any fruit, that one would be the most appropriate…
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WB or someone in WB's crew or Rayleigh, or Garp or Sengoku and people who known Roger would have reacted somehow.. so yes its retarded for Roger to have the gomu fruit… or even Shiki in the movie...
I d prefer if some sort of Kaidou's evil mentor and Roger's rival had it(Davy Jones:ninja: ).
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WB or someone in WB's crew or Rayleigh, or Garp or Sengoku and people who known Roger would have reacted somehow.. so yes its retarded for Roger to have the gomu fruit… or even Shiki in the movie...
I d prefer if some sort of Kaidou's evil mentor and Roger's rival had it(Davy Jones:ninja: ).
It would fit better some evil guy..Every argument u just made is void because the same thing could be said for the hat. Did whitebeard react to the hat? NO -.-
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- Roger being the owner of the hat is stupid and un-original, yet Oda did it anyways.
Not necessarily. It's fine to show similarities between the two but the same Devil Fruit would be taking it too far.
- Why would Shank's crew, known as one of the laziest/laid back crew in the series, go out of their way to defeat some random pirate gang so they can claim a fruit that none of them ever planned to use? Obviously to the Red Hair pirates the fruit has more sentimental value than actually utility, evidenced by the fact that they fought ppl over it, carry it around with them, and never use it.
You are making so many ridiculous assumptions… Have you ever considered that it just happened to be on a ship the overtook? Nowhere does it say "we took on these guys for the sole purpose of taking this Devil Fruit" or even "We knew they had it before we attacked them". You're literally just making all of that up.
- Shanks joined the ship around the same time as Buggy. This has been stated in the manga. Therefore Buggy must have known (if he didnt see) the fact that Roger passed Shanks the hat.
Where does it say they joined at the same time?
- It's been established that devil fruits are unique and will appear again once the original owner is dead. ie. Whitebeard. I'm not saying it gets crapped out of their corpse, but it does appear somewhere else in the world some unknown period of time after the current owner's death.
No, it's never been stated at all; you're once again making unevidenced, senseless assumptions. And obviously you can't use the Whitebeard situation to evidence that, because the situation with Blackbeard is an anomaly (as many have stated) and it's implied that either the abnormalities of his body or those of the Yami Yami no Mi are the reason that he gained Whitebeard's power. So once again you're coming to conclusions without evidence.
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Not necessarily. It's fine to show similarities between the two but the same Devil Fruit would be taking it too far.
You are making so many ridiculous assumptions… Have you ever considered that it just happened to be on a ship the overtook? Nowhere does it say "we took on these guys for the sole purpose of taking this Devil Fruit" or even "We knew they had it before we attacked them". You're literally just making all of that up.
Where does it say they joined at the same time?
No, it's never been stated at all; you're once again making unevidenced, senseless assumptions. And obviously you can't use the Whitebeard situation to evidence that, because the situation with Blackbeard is an anomaly (as many have stated) and it's implied that either the abnormalities of his body or those of the Yami Yami no Mi are the reason that he gained Whitebeard's power. So once again you're coming to conclusions without evidence.
- tell me how having the same devil fruit is going "too far" while having the same hat isnt? Who decides what "too far" is? You do? No, Oda does. What you think doesn't matter. "Too far" is subjective
- regardless of how they obtained it, the fact is they were holding on to it with clearly no intent to use it. They even knew exactly what fruit it was, more evidence to suggest past experience with it.
- It's been stated in the manga that Buggy and Shanks were new to the crew at the same time, and even Whitebeard said in the manga that the pair were always seen together. Go read the manga before you call my facts "baseless". What's "baseless" is your blind accusations and denial.
- Oda has stated in SBS that the same devil fruit power can exist, but not at the same time, in other words someone with a devil fruit power must die before the devil fruit becomes available again some time down the road. No-one knows if its immediately or takes years, if its right on the spot or grows at the other side of the world. You are right in that Blackbeard was an anomoly, he took Whitebeard's fruit right off his body immediately after death. I'm not saying Shanks took Roger's fruit off Roger's corpse. It's quite possible that some years after Roger's death, random pirates found it, and whether by circumstance or intent, Shanks crew defeated them and took the fruit from them.
Don't say I don't have evidence, when everything I say is backed up by either the Manga or Oda himself. Now I'd like to know what backs up YOUR baseless accusations
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- tell me how having the same devil fruit is going "too far" while having the same hat isnt? Who decides what "too far" is? You do? No, Oda does. What you think doesn't matter. "Too far" is subjective
Fair enough.
- regardless of how they obtained it, the fact is they were holding on to it with clearly no intent to use it. They even knew exactly what fruit it was, more evidence to suggest past experience with it.
But now you're changing your point; you were saying that they knew the enemy had it and that they stole it, intentionally and specifically, which is not at all supported by the manga. Blackbeard knew that the fruit he had found was the Yami Yami no Mi, and Devil Fruits have been mentioned frequently throughout the manga, so there's no reason to make the assumption that the crew has had a past connection with the Gomu Gomu no Mi.
- It's been stated in the manga that Buggy and Shanks were new to the crew at the same time, and even Whitebeard said in the manga that the pair were always seen together.
Obviously they were apprentices simultaneously, but you're making the claim that it's been said that they "joined the crew around the same time" which is different, and I'm simply asking you to back up that claim. If you make a claim like that you should be ready to back it up. Shanks could have easily joined first and had the hat passed to him before Buggy joined. We simply don't know.
Go read the manga before you call my facts "baseless". What's "baseless" is your blind accusations and denial.
No, you're simply suggesting (and filling your own interpretations in for) specifics of situations that have not been actually addressed.
Oda has stated in SBS that the same devil fruit power can exist, but not at the same time, in other words someone with a devil fruit power must die before the devil fruit becomes available again some time down the road. No-one knows if its immediately or takes years, if its right on the spot or grows at the other side of the world. You are right in that Blackbeard was an anomoly, he took Whitebeard's fruit right off his body immediately after death. I'm not saying Shanks took Roger's fruit off Roger's corpse. It's quite possible that some years after Roger's death, random pirates found it, and whether by circumstance or intent, Shanks crew defeated them and took the fruit from them.
Fair enough, and there isn't anything explicitly saying that hasn't happened, but it's equally (if not more) likely that they simply acquired it from a vessel they overtook and that, had Roger eaten that fruit previously, somebody would have mentioned it in the past 644 chapters; so many people related to Roger have seen him and it would simply be un-Oda and terribly odd at this point for someone to just say "hey he's got Roger's fruit" this far into the story.
Don't say I don't have evidence, when everything I say is backed up by either the Manga or Oda himself. Now I'd like to know what backs up YOUR baseless accusations
Again, you're arguing specifics that haven't been addressed.
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Just a thought.
We make a big deal out of the hat but the OP world doesn't seem to share our view. I don't recall Roger and Shanks being called Strawhat or being recognized by it.
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Fair enough.
But now you're changing your point; you were saying that they knew the enemy had it and that they stole it, intentionally and specifically, which is not at all supported by the manga. Blackbeard knew that the fruit he had found was the Yami Yami no Mi, and Devil Fruits have been mentioned frequently throughout the manga, so there's no reason to make the assumption that the crew has had a past connection with the Gomu Gomu no Mi.
Obviously they were apprentices simultaneously, but you're making the claim that it's been said that they "joined the crew around the same time" which is different, and I'm simply asking you to back up that claim. If you make a claim like that you should be ready to back it up. Shanks could have easily joined first and had the hat passed to him before Buggy joined. We simply don't know.
No, you're simply suggesting (and filling your own interpretations in for) specifics of situations that have not been actually addressed.
Fair enough, and there isn't anything explicitly saying that hasn't happened, but it's equally (if not more) likely that they simply acquired it from a vessel they overtook and that, had Roger eaten that fruit previously, somebody would have mentioned it in the past 644 chapters; so many people related to Roger have seen him and it would simply be un-Oda and terribly odd at this point for someone to just say "hey he's got Roger's fruit" this far into the story.
Again, you're arguing specifics that haven't been addressed.
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I never changed my point. If you read a few posts back, you'll see that I said perhaps they happened upon the pirates by luck, or intended to hunt them down, etc I dont care. The point is not whether or not they attacked the pirates for the fruit, its that they had the fruit in their possession but clearly weren't planning to use it. That was my point.
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"around" the same time does not equal "at" the same time. I wrote "around". I agree that thre is a possibility that in the short amount of time between Shanks's and Buggy's joining (assuming of course that Shanks did join first) that Roger passed him the hat. However, you'd think that having joined the crew "AROUND" the same time as Shanks, being his best buddy, and being on the crew for years, that Buggy would know that the hat oringinally belonged to Roger. Again ASSUMING Roger didn't pass the hat to Shanks after Buggy joined. Either way its speculation, so theres no point arguing this point
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No-one mentioned Luffy having Roger's signature straw hat. Doesn't that bug you? When ppl say "staw hat" they mean Luffy, yet the straw hat first belonged to Roger. Who's to say its not the same for devil fruits? And besides, characters in one piece are usually defined by their actions before their devil fruits. Nico Robin is the "demon from Ohara" not the "girl with the hana hana fruit". Whitebeard, world famous pirate, was not known for being the "earthquake man". ..etc see? Just because Roger had a fruit doesnt mean everyone talks about it. Nobody calls Luffy "Gomu Gomu no Luffy"
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Just a thought.
We make a big deal out of the hat but the OP world doesn't seem to share our view. I don't recall Roger and Shanks being called Strawhat or being recognized by it.
I sure as hell wouldn't recognize a strawhat in 3 different people in a span of 20+ years, but a DF power I probably would.Again just because they KNOW he has a fruit, doesn't mean they'll have to comment about it. Take whitebeard as an example. I'm pretty sure any pirate or Marine worth his pennies knows Whitebeard's power. However, for the sake of keeping the manga interesting, it isnt revealed until we actually see him use it.
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Also, in buggy flashback, roger's crew didn't believe in devil fruits, so roger didn't have a devil fruit at that moment. He could have obtained it later but for me it would be kinda pointless, seeing how he already had given his strawhat to shanks. Roger should have already had all the features that relates him with luffy when he first met rayleigh.
I'm sure some members of Rogers crew had Devil Fruits. People like Luffy or Zoro don't exactly state their abilities unless it is brought up. If we assume that Shanks and later Buggy where pretty recent crew members, they might not have seen the rest of the crew fighting. And those other members may have simply not known if the others abilities where from the Fruit. Someone might think Sanji igniting his feet, or Nami controlling weather is a fruit.
I do agree it would be pretty stupid if Roger had Luffy's fruit, but I do think he had some fruit. I seriously think it would undermine Luffy becoming the Pirate King if it was like "Yea, you did this, but the first guy did it with NO FRUIT!"
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Also ppl seem to think that Roger having the same fruit makes Luffy's achievements look less amazing. NOT AT ALL.
Just cus two ppl have the same fruit dusnt mean they will think of the same ways to use it. Luffy's attacks, from naming them after guns, to the creative use of Gear Second and Third, are LUFFY's inventions, and not a built-in part of the fruit.
The story of One Piece is about friendship and trusting your nakama. That has and always will be the theme of the story, and in the end when Luffy finally becomes pirate king, it's not cus he has a specific fruit, but because he has had so many ppl help him along the way.
wow that was corny…
anyways the conclusion ive been trying to make this whole time:
Roger MAY have had the Gomu Gomu fruit. not DID, but MAY...
All I was trying to do was convince ppl who flat-out denied the possibly to think again, because tbh before it was revealed that the straw hat belonged to Roger, I would have thought it to be an impossible and incredibly stupid idea as well -
I'm sure some members of Rogers crew had Devil Fruits. People like Luffy or Zoro don't exactly state their abilities unless it is brought up. If we assume that Shanks and later Buggy where pretty recent crew members, they might not have seen the rest of the crew fighting. And those other members may have simply not known if the others abilities where from the Fruit. Someone might think Sanji igniting his feet, or Nami controlling weather is a fruit.
I do agree it would be pretty stupid if Roger had Luffy's fruit, but I do think he had some fruit. I seriously think it would undermine Luffy becoming the Pirate King if it was like "Yea, you did this, but the first guy did it with NO FRUIT!"
well, yes but it also can be that the fighters of roger's crew, including roger himself, who could have had a devil fruit got it later. Roger with the gomu gomu is just silly in my opinion.
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if that was the case, Buggy should have been kicked out after he ate his fruit. Again there is no evidence to suggest that Roger did NOT have a fruit. No-one has ever explicitly commented on Roger's possession (or lack thereof) of devil fruit powers.
Would I bet my left ball that Roger had the gomu gomu fruit, or any devil fruit at all? Absolutely NOT.
However, I'm just trying to say that it is within reasonable bounds to expect that Roger MAY have had the Gomu Gomu fruit, as IF he had any fruit, that one would be the most appropriate…
let me rephrase it, the first time roger's crew saw a devil fruit was when buggy got his, when they see that they worked they start believing in them, people form roger's crew who got a devil fruit could have got it later.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v03/c019/15.html
It's pretty clear for me if that guy thought that the devil fruits were just rumors, then there is no people with ablities in the crew YET.
Ok someone coudl have eaten a devil fruit and didn't tell anybody that he got his powers thanks to it, but then he will be just stupid, what if he fall into the sea and everybody thinks he can swim?. -
if that was the case, Buggy should have been kicked out after he ate his fruit. Again there is no evidence to suggest that Roger did NOT have a fruit. No-one has ever explicitly commented on Roger's possession (or lack thereof) of devil fruit powers.
Would I bet my left ball that Roger had the gomu gomu fruit, or any devil fruit at all? Absolutely NOT.
However, I'm just trying to say that it is within reasonable bounds to expect that Roger MAY have had the Gomu Gomu fruit, as IF he had any fruit, that one would be the most appropriate…
That is not what that person meant they said they didn't believe in DF. It meant they didn't think they existed, not that they were opposed to their usage.
No. All it does is open up holes in the story because not only Buggy but Garp should have showed some sort of reaction to the fruit his grandson ate. Buggy and WB both remember the hat but show absolutely no familiarity to Luffy's abilities.
I'm sure some members of Rogers crew had Devil Fruits. People like Luffy or Zoro don't exactly state their abilities unless it is brought up. If we assume that Shanks and later Buggy where pretty recent crew members, they might not have seen the rest of the crew fighting. And those other members may have simply not known if the others abilities where from the Fruit. Someone might think Sanji igniting his feet, or Nami controlling weather is a fruit.
I do agree it would be pretty stupid if Roger had Luffy's fruit, but I do think he had some fruit**. I seriously think it would undermine Luffy becoming the Pirate King** if it was like "Yea, you did this, but the first guy did it with NO FRUIT!"
Why would you be so sure about something with zero evidence? Buggy being the odd one out and Shank's personal belief that loosing the ability to swim isn't worth it hint that no they had no DF users. Shank's didn't just develop that belief out of the blue but experience. Only other guy we'll even see is Bronze and possibly the big dude Oda included in chapter 0. I very much doubt either of them are DF users.
You can't make random possibilities to support a point of view. Only info we have tells us that DF were weird to Roger's crew. That belief partially persisted even when Shanks was staying at windmill village. Little chance that a week after eating the fruit other Roger crewmates showed Buggy he wasn't so weird afterall.
No one answered me before but using that same logic Roger is only superior to Rayleigh because he had a DF. Is that not a silly view? Its not like having a DF is all pros and no cons. Roger at the same level as Luffy would destroy Hodi far more quickly than our hero is doing now because of his DF weakness. Does there huge age difference upon reaching Raftel.
The first guy was also twice Luffy's age when he reached Raftel and likely had less obstacles in his way.
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Someone remind me, where was it stated that Roger took 3 years to complete his journey, if I recall correctly? Even with these two extra years added along with the few months of sailing they had, Luffy might just beat Roger's time record.
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I can't fathom the idea that Roger's power is not widely known information, at least in the grand line among higher ups. You'd think with all of the people Luffy's fought and showed his power off to, they might find some significance in the fact that he uses the same power as Roger. Even if he was a nobody that got defeated the first time he fought Crocodile, someone would have found that significant. And if people do, Oda can't just hide it. A hat isn't like a fighting style. For Luffy it might be more famous because it's what he is identified with and he wears the hat constantly who knows about Roger, he might've not gotten it until later, and he might've left it at home sometimes. Not to mention, Roger was known by his name and nickname, Gold Roger, that was his thing. The hat is Luffy's thing.
But the gomu gomu no ni would have been BOTH of their things if they both had it, and that's not something anyone who knew Roger would overlook.
And it's the idea that Luffy has BOTH the hat AND the power that would make it too far. One or the other, fine, but both is too much. It's like suggesting it's some sort of fate or reincarnation, and that doesn't sit well with me, and I think Oda would be more creative than that.
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Shanks had the hat for more time than Roger, thats how WB recognised it back then… if Roger hd the gomu fruit he would have recognised it again...
He fought him several times.I am still in for Kaido's mentor.
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Shanks puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that pirates can swim, and it's technically been a major part of the story, especially in Luffy's original flashback (he wanted to prove himself by being able to swim, after being able to tolerate pain iirc).
I don't know whether Oda had the Shanks-Roger connection in mind then, but Shanks probably thinks of Roger as the greatest pirate he has known, and I'd be surprised if he couldn't swim.
Would it be too world-breaking if Luffy managed to somehow swim in water by the end of the series?