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you know who is second behind jimbei as being the most highely talked about prophosized, expected, anticipated person in the entire series?

hold on i have to go and look up her name again. I used to have it memorized because was always wondering omg who is it, what did he/she do. ect. but after we finally got a reveal and saw this person they really ended up being a nobody.

hmm brb, searchig for name. its that person who "raised" luffy and ace. or as loose a term for raise as you can get

ah found it, Dadan

so just because someone was mentioned in ch. 69 does not mean they are going to be some insanely important person. And for your credit jimbei has been insanely important, but that doesn't mean crew member

I'm pretty sure the first time we heard about dadan was chapter 440…
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v45/c440/3.html

dirt monkey AL

this is what my thinking is.

the strawhats LIKE US are out exploring this grand exciting world together. everything is new and exciting.

while we have no way of knowing at present how jimbei is, he most likely has explored much of the world and it won't be such a new exciting adventure for him.

i'm under impression no one ever joins again. we have our final crew. been like that since the time sip ended. i mean we just had a huge moment where everyone in the crwe worked hard for 2 years all for luffy, and they went through that whole ordeal that kuma put them through and the shabondy incident. anyone new just won't have that i think monumental event that bonds the crwe together like non other.

jimbei saw luffy break down and consoled him to a small extent, but i could subsitutue like 5 other people into his position easily and be fine. i mean imagine rayleigh in jimbei's spot. imagine garp, hell if hancock wasn't so infatuated with luffy she could have done waht jimbei did. we could sub in so many even just friends or mentors into that spot. jimbei wasn't something special in that scene. he just happened to be the person there.

think of all the times in the series where people like brook or chopper or anyone later has been oblivious to things such as nami and fishman or other emotional events for someone in the crew. now that is always to be expected of a new person, since it seems they don't open their life stories to discuss for hell of it. BUT the shabondy event was not an emotional turmoil for any one person in the crew. IT was the FIRST AND ONLY HUGE EMOTIONAL TURMOIL FOR EVERYONE in the crew. they all experienced it, they all went through it and they all came out much stronger from it both mentally, physically and came out together stronger as a crew. and that i think is just something oda would not have held back from giving any of the crew taht experience. i feel that any member he was planning on, he planned on having them experience that

guys, no one's gonna join after Usopp will get back together with the crew!

IT was the FIRST AND ONLY HUGE EMOTIONAL TURMOIL FOR EVERYONE in the crew after all.

freedom

Lol, did you just make the argument that the crew is finished and there will be no more additions? I mean, I know you did, but there's such heavy evidence to the contrary.

Let's not forget that Marg will join :ninja:

Shift

@rubia_ryu:

And they accepted her oh so quickly (except for one, but he had no choice by that point). But, it was by the Enies Lobby Arc when her place was finally established; like how Nami didn't officially join until after the Arlong arc. That's quite a lot of screen time, so obviously there was room for development.

What softened him up was how determined the SHs were to get Robin back, and the whole shenanigans at Enies Lobby. Again, lots of room for development and change of character.

Hindsight is 20/20, after all.

Actually, he did meet them before Luffy told him to come along. They were there when Luffy shouted "Let's go!!"

Didn't you say Jinbe needs more time to interact with everyone? Whatever your point, Jinbe's had as much time with Zoro and Usopp as Chopper did (and here I'm addressing you complaint about "not enough time with the crew" further down).

Later, the whole crew gathered again to discuss about Brook, and that's how the others learned about Laboon. Then, they kicked ass with Brook, even in a combo move.

Which is clearly not happening in this silly li'l scuffle, amirite?

Actually, the crew had split up for a bit while Luffy recruited Sanji. But, the bonds were already forming when Mihawk took down Zoro, and Luffy wouldn't change his mind once it's set, so they weren't surprised in the least that Sanji came along.

Don't see what surprise has to do with anything. Everyone was wigging out both times Brook agreed to join, even after that battle.

The problem is that Jinbe has appeared enough for the readers to be very familiar with him, but not enough time with the rest of the crew, and in this battle, it seems it's like he's tagging along. (Though all we've seen him do so far is strangle random NFP.) Brook also tagged along in the battle against Moriah, but the crew already agreed to Luffy's suggestion/order that he should join, so they had their sights set on him. They don't have their sights set on Jinbe. The translations cover it up, but Luffy called Jinbe a regular friend (tomodachi, not nakama), showing that even he doesn't have planned that Jinbe would join.

Whenever Luffy asks/agrees to someone joining, that character has had a pretty limited life experience like him that would be broadened. "Hey, let's go exploring the world together!" - sort of thing. To him, Jinbe looks pretty experienced already in the New World. (Whether or not he is, is another matter entirely.) And Robin spent lots of time running away from the WG; she wouldn't have the time to stop somewhere and explore the places she's been. If she were undercover with the Rev. Army, maybe, and I'm sure she learned plenty from Dragon, not only about the WG, but also a bit of the New World. Luffy can trust both Nami and Robin for some advice, if he's willing to stay put and listen.

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But now I wonder how the future members would be developed and how they would join. The crew already feels so complete, but there may be some little bits that I've overlooked, especially now that I'm still recovering from blood loss.

I don't want to question whether you've really been reading, but some of your comments make me wonder. Jinbe's done a lot more that strangling, like, you know, formulating the whole freakin' plan of action. And plenty of times Luffy hasn't referred to anyone as the magical word "nakama" until just before they joined, and he's called people that who didn't end up joining but are still close like Vivi. You think it can't change from one term to another or something? Again, I'll remind you they had just finished a big disagreement moments before; I don't think he even called Usopp his "nakama" after theirs, so Jinbe got off lucky.

And the argument could be made that Jinbe's experiences have also been pretty limited to serving the causes of other people. Tiger, Otohime, Whitebeard, the WG, Ace to an extent; he's been one of the most selfless individuals in the story, despite his objections that he's not a people person. Many of us are waiting to see if he gets his own personal dream to follow, one that will give him cause to travel with the Straw Hats and live a bit more freely.

Hinscher

Lol, did you just make the argument that the crew is finished and there will be no more additions? I mean, I know you did, but there's such heavy evidence to the contrary.

many people ahve been saying no one else is going to join for quite some time.

Shift

@rubia_ryu:

Stupid mouse, I can't believe that I deleted my huge post. Sure, it gets in the way, but this is just awful. Hinscher, thanks for rescuing the key component of it.

To summarize once again, Jinbe supporters, take a bit more time to decide before you jump to your conclusions. There's still plenty left of this arc that has to be seen, and it won't circle only around Jinbe.

I've got it all up there, I think.

We've had 2 years to back out; I think we're good where we are, thanks.

Hinscher

@dirt:

guys, no one's gonna join after Usopp will get back together with the crew!

IT was the FIRST AND ONLY HUGE EMOTIONAL TURMOIL FOR EVERYONE in the crew after all.

nope, that was not an emotional event centered on teh crew. it was centered on USOPP

it may have effected everyone "except franky and brook" but it is no different than any other arc like arabasta. everyone part of the crew was affected emotional during arabasta, but it was centered on VIVI's emotions. it had to do with helping out vivi.

usopps event had to do with "ah hell never really understood why he left actually" he was being a little bitch.

but the shabondy event had everyone in the crew looking at THEMSELVES and how to get stronger to help out LUFFY.

Urouge

@akagami7:

i found it
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29195&page=39&p=1850330&viewfull=1#post1850330
it actually was oda himself who asked "Would it be more interesting if bunch of new characters showed up?" to the editors.

Awesome.

@freedom:

Let's not forget that Marg will join :ninja:

…the Kuja pirates. :ninja:

many people ahve been saying no one else is going to join for quite some time.

Many people in my area believe the sky is blue because of the reflection of the ocean. That doesn't make it any less dumb.

Hinscher

Many people in my area believe the sky is blue because of the reflection of the ocean. That doesn't make it any less dumb.

oh great, compare something like that to a belief that no one will join the strawhats.

really mature.

i should fight all my arguments by saying "people used to argue the world was flat, but they were wrong"

the sky is blue for a proven reason and the world is proven round.
Where is the Proof that someone else will join the strawhats?

Cymelion

@jxy007:

One other thing I don't want you to get confused is that I am 200% sure that Jinbei wouldn't join. That's not my prescience. That's almost a stone cold fact unless some drastic changes to Jinbei's whole character happens. It's like knowing US will go to war in Afghanistan after 911. It's justified and inevitable.
I am not talking about my theory regarding Bonney, that's just a hypothesis. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bonney does not end up a straw hat pirate.

Ugh I am certain this is troll bait but why the hell not.

The problem with being 200% sure of things is often the next few chapters come out and people are slapped in the face with reality that their personal preferences are not taken into account when Oda does the unthinkable and follows his own designs for the way the Manga pans out.

The biggest humble pie situation I sighted was in the spoilers for when it was shown that Moriah was shown to have survived Don's attack with a situation I don't think anyone predicted - there were theories upon theories about how it would happen from the moriah lovers on how he would survive.

Just like now - theories on why for Jinbei and why against, all … wait most with merit based on the limited information we have provided to us and you know what should Jinbei get his position amongst the crew some will sigh with relief and others will just have to accept it. 1 thing I can tell you each story on why and how a strawhat joins is an adventure in itself.
So by all means hate on Jinbei - god knows I didn't like Frankies design - I still feel slightly worried reading the comic at work because sometimes they have whole screenspreads of Franky in nothing but his budgiesmugglers, but I got past that with the development of his character being far more important then his appearence.

dirt monkey AL

nope, that was not an emotional event centered on teh crew. it was centered on USOPP

it may have effected everyone "except franky and brook" but it is no different than any other arc like arabasta. everyone part of the crew was affected emotional during arabasta, but it was centered on VIVI's emotions. it had to do with helping out vivi.

usopps event had to do with "ah hell never really understood why he left actually" he was being a little bitch.

but the shabondy event had everyone in the crew looking at THEMSELVES and how to get stronger to help out LUFFY.

guys, no, that was not an emotional event centered on teh crew. it was centered on LUFFY

look at his PAIN

Md-Martin

oh great, compare something like that to a belief that no one will join the strawhats.

really mature.

i should fight all my arguments by saying "people used to argue the world was flat, but they were wrong"

the sky is blue for a proven reason and the world is proven round.
Where is the Proof that someone else will join the strawhats?

It's not the fact that you think no one will join; in fact there is a good amount of people that think no one will join. It is the fact that you are using things like "He's gonna ruin the excitement since he visited other islands in the New World". The fact is as far as we know the Sun Pirates were in the first half, and he only went to the NW to visit WB. He probably didn't go every other day, and just a handful of times. There is more than one route on the New World, for all we know all of the times he's visited WB, they were following a route of islands. One the SH's might not travel.

You're not being belittled because of your end point, but your completely hypothetical with little-to-none arguments.

Hinscher

@Cymelion:

Ugh I am certain this is troll bait but why the hell not.

The problem with being 200% sure of things is often the next few chapters come out and people are slapped in the face with reality that their personal preferences are not taken into account when Oda does the unthinkable and follows his own designs for the way the Manga pans out.

The biggest humble pie situation I sighted was in the spoilers for when it was shown that Moriah was shown to have survived Don's attack with a situation I don't think anyone predicted - there were theories upon theories about how it would happen from the moriah lovers on how he would survive.

Just like now - theories on why for Jinbei and why against, all … wait most with merit based on the limited information we have provided to us and you know what should Jinbei get his position amongst the crew some will sigh with relief and others will just have to accept it. 1 thing I can tell you each story on why and how a strawhat joins is an adventure in itself.
So by all means hate on Jinbei - god knows I didn't like Frankies design - I still feel slightly worried reading the comic at work because sometimes they have whole screenspreads of Franky in nothing but his budgiesmugglers, but I got past that with the development of his character being far more important then his appearence.

any arguments i have are not based on why i think he won't or will, but why i hope he doesn't

i'm not going to try and PROVE how he is going to join when tehre is no way i can.

i'm just saying i don't want him to for reasons stated.

1. he was not part of the crew for the shabondy incident and their big resolves to become strong for luffy
2. he seems to be the strongest fishman in the world
3. he seems to have mastered fishman karate to its furthest level
4. i don't find him interesting enough to want to have him along 24/7 (if he shows up in 500 chapters i'l be pumped and be like "oh yea the pimp jimbei is here" but doesn't mean i want him on our crew)
5. we need to start building up allied crews (in the first half of grand line it seemed like anyone we met joined out crew, how are we to get some amazing allies to show up in said gigantic final battle such as whitebeard had if we have everyone join our crew?)
6. I feel he has been to too much of the new world and has his own allies/enemies there

so thats why i DON'T want him to join. Argue all you want about why he will or won't, i don't care.

I think too many of you are under the impression that these are my arguments for why he can't join, but they are not. they are my reasons for not wanting him too.

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@Md-Martin:

It's not the fact that you think no one will join; in fact there is a good amount of people that think no one will join. It is the fact that you are using things like "He's gonna ruin the excitement since he visited other islands in the New World". The fact is as far as we know the Sun Pirates were in the first half, and he only went to the NW to visit WB. He probably didn't go every other day, and just a handful of times. There is more than one route on the New World, for all we know all of the times he's visited WB, they were following a route of islands. One the SH's might not travel.

You're not being belittled because of your end point, but your completely hypothetical with little-to-none arguments.

yes i'm assuming, but you are doing teh same thing just opposite.

i say that a pirate for like 15 years who was a captain for like 10 years and a warlord for 7, or whatever the numbers are. jus tpulled those out my ass as guesses, don't want to look em up right now. and then even these 2 years when strawhats were training.

what was he doing during all those 15 years? where did the government send him if ever? what was he doing these last 2 years when he coudl not return to fishman island. what about those many years before becoming warlord whe nhe also could not be on fishman island.

I have a hard time beleiving he has not been to a good number of islands on all ends of the grand line.

to assume he hasn't in order to help out your argument is in no way better than my point of view. so if your going to call me an idiot for believing one, you have to call yourself an idiot for believing the other

rubia_ryu

First, Shift, thanks for rescuing my post. This debate has kept me going despite my usual acquiescence. And here I go…

Didn't you say Jinbe needs more time to interact with everyone? Whatever your point, Jinbe's had as much time with Zoro and Usopp as Chopper did (and here I'm addressing you complaint about "not enough time with the crew" further down).

Yep, because they've partied with him too, apparently. Joking aside, Chopper's issue was identity. He saw himself as unwanted when everyone else in the crew saw otherwise. Chopper needed more time with people who care, and their adventures together definitely count. You can't compare his case to Jinbe's.

Which is clearly not happening in this silly li'l scuffle, amirite?

Don't see what surprise has to do with anything. Everyone was wigging out both times Brook agreed to join, even after that battle.

It is happening here actually, and yes, Jinbe planned out this scuffle. ~~It's almost like a stage performance.~~ I too was delighted to see how well Jinbe fits into the group in that last panel of ch 633. Now if only he could do something else besides fighting general fodder… well, Z & S are competing for the most knockouts, so he'll have limited options, not that he won't be able to bring out something amazing.

The second time when Brook formally joined, I saw it more as, they were shocked that there wasn't any further discussion between captain and recruit than "Can I join?" "Sure." If it were me, It'd be pretty expected, based on their first encounter, but it adds to the comic effect.

Jinbe's done a lot more that strangling, like, you know, formulating the whole freakin' plan of action. And plenty of times Luffy hasn't referred to anyone as the magical word "nakama" until just before they joined, and he's called people that who didn't end up joining but are still close like Vivi. You think it can't change from one term to another or something? Again, I'll remind you they had just finished a big disagreement moments before; I don't think he even called Usopp his "nakama" after theirs, so Jinbe got off lucky.

Both terms in general are interchanged easily, but in this story, there is some distinguishing, and using the term "nakama" usually means a closer relationship than a regular friend. Of course they saw Vivi as more than a regular friend. (Bon Clay was no regular friend, yet he only saw his relationship with Luffy as friends, not as crewmates.) Before this battle, the crew saw Jinbe more than an ally as well, but in a less trusting way. This battle will help solidify bonds, but I can't guarantee NN.

Luffy vs Usopp is far from similar to Luffy vs Jinbe… especially that the latter was interrupted. Neither side was heartbroken afterward, either.

And the argument could be made that Jinbe's experiences have also been pretty limited to serving the causes of other people. Tiger, Otohime, Whitebeard, the WG, Ace to an extent; he's been one of the most selfless individuals in the story, despite his objections that he's not a people person. Many of us are waiting to see if he gets his own personal dream to follow, one that will give him cause to travel with the Straw Hats and live a bit more freely.

Yes, of course, and I'm sure Luffy isn't too stupid to understand that. But would it matter as much to him when he's not directly involved in it? My point is, and I'll repeat however many times, how do Luffy and crew see Jinbe? The focus is present. Why else would Luffy sleep through long flashbacks? Whatever dream Jinbe is revealed to have will definitely involve the tension between races, but aside from that, it's too vague as of now, so we'll wait.

Ugh, I am half-dead now.

Aaronrules380

Luffy has said he wanted 10 crewmates (which probably excludes himself) quite a few times and that's the type of thing Oda would use as a hint.
Jinbe is a master of FK, but one could argue there is always room for improvement. Jinbe also has a close bond with Luffy and has even protected him with his life and snapped Luffy out of his greatest dilemma after Ace died. I don't get why people say Jinbe's seen too much of the New World when we have no idea how much he's actually been too, and we don't even know how much of the New World was actually explored by anyone besides Roger. Hell, I'd even call it likely that, like with the first half of the grand line, the route diverges again and only join back together at Raftel so they might just pick a part of the NW Jinbe has never been to. Being the strongest Fishmen is also irrelevant and stupid because its like saying Chopper is the world's strongest raindeer.

Urouge

oh great, compare something like that to a belief that no one will join the strawhats.

really mature.

i should fight all my arguments by saying "people used to argue the world was flat, but they were wrong"

the sky is blue for a proven reason and the world is proven round.

You're right. It's not a perfect comparison. People are wrong about the sky being blue because the real reason is somewhat complicated.

Where is the Proof that someone else will join the strawhats?

Have you read chapter 1?

rubia_ryu

I think it's safe to say that no one character knows all that much about the New World. Even Roger only took one route. Still, Jinbe would know some things that could easily be helpful.

Noqanky

Oda goes out of his way to give Jinbe sight gags and crew interactions and people still think the character is not good SH material?

Talk about denial.

Also, I like Bonney as a character, so it's quite annoying seeing people still trying to argue for her joining or not joining when it's so ridiculously far off right now that it's not worth talking about. One Perona is enough.

jxy007

My responses in order: That's what's called a stone-cold opinion; ain't fact 'til it's on paper, one way or the other. Dude, inappropriate much? And glad you can acknowledge that much about Bonney.

That's why I said "almost". I think we are both beating a dead horse here. It doesn't look like I can change your mind any more than you can change mine.
You think Jinbei will join. I think he won't.
You think there is no indication that Bonney will join. I think there is a likelihood that she will, at this point better odds than anyone else we've seen so far.
So let's just see what happens.

Shift

@jxy007:

That's why I said "almost". I think we are both beating a dead horse here. It doesn't look like I can change your mind any more than you can change mine.
You think Jinbei will join. I think he won't.
You think there is no indication that Bonney will join. I think there is a likelihood that she will, at this point better odds than anyone else we've seen so far.
So let's just see what happens.

Well, we won't have to wait too long, at least.

cooldud

@Noqanky:

Oda goes out of his way to give Paulie sight gags and crew interactions and people still think the character is not good SH material?

Talk about denial.

16 characters of :ninja:

Cymelion

Well, we won't have to wait too long, at least.

Oh we will be waiting a long time for Bonney to appear again I am sure - I think the next island the SH's will go to is the Lighting Rain Island - due to Nami being introduced to it by the book and the selling of Umbrellas. Also it's null effect on Luffy is something that can be played with.

However - If they do go to the top of the Red line as a continuation of this arc then it could be a long time before this arc is over and what happens happens. I think the only reason this arc is moving so quickly is because there is something coming up which will be more indepth.

Shift

@Cymelion:

Oh we will be waiting a long time for Bonney to appear again I am sure - I think the next island the SH's will go to is the Lighting Rain Island - due to Nami being introduced to it by the book and the selling of Umbrellas. Also it's null effect on Luffy is something that can be played with.

However - If they do go to the top of the Red line as a continuation of this arc then it could be a long time before this arc is over and what happens happens. I think the only reason this arc is moving so quickly is because there is something coming up which will be more indepth.

I was talking strictly about Jinbe, and as I've said in the past, I doubt they're going to trek over the Red Line when they're already going under it, so no, I still don't see it going on inordinately much longer.

Cymelion

I was talking strictly about Jinbe, and as I've said in the past, I doubt they're going to trek over the Red Line when they're already going under it, so no, I still don't see it going on inordinately much longer.

I'm hoping so too - I'd like the debate over too, it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the same things each week. Still new episode be out today or tomorrow might be something in that one lol.

Nycprodigy

My only problem is that jimbei's bounty like his moobs is too big

Cymelion

@Nycprodigy:

My only problem is that jimbei's bounty like his moobs is too big

Yeah I know right - I mean Luffy's bounty is still only 30million Bellie from Arlong arc - they never raised it at all … oh wait

rubia_ryu

@Nycprodigy:

My only problem is that jimbei's bounty like his moobs is too big

Mind explaining why that matters and why you think his pecs are that?

It does break down the order of bounties, though. Unless Luffy and his buds get raised bounties (possibly next arc with the scuffle at Marine HQ), Jinbe's bounty would be on par with Luffy's, and in the world of piracy, usually the captain would have a bounty much higher than his/her fellow mates. Then again, I could argue that the SHs are just that special… but I'd be making a poor choice. Hm, if Jinbe is involved with their escape, his bounty may be raised too. What to do...

imagines a huge water spout firing the Sunny-go far away from Marine HQ

...Hahaha. Aokiji would totally mess up that plan if he's there.

Noqanky

@cooldud_21:

16 characters of :ninja:

Yea, because a lot of people argued against paulie by saying he wasn't straw hat material …

What killed paulie wasn't crew interaction, it was the fact he was completely overshadowed in strength, importance and character by Franky. As for Jinbe, people argue that what kills his chances is not fitting with the SH, which is complete denial of what's been shown.

igetownd

Jinbe's role on ship: swimmer. Or pirate relations specialist. Maybe a fisherman, because they need might need more food?

I think Jinbe's role serves as someone who knows the pirate world the best, because he was once a Shichibukai. If Luffy wants to become Pirate King, he needs to know how to do top tier pirate politics.

I think the crewmate after would be a geologist, because the islands coming up are going to be ridiculous.

Cymelion

@igetownd:

Jinbe's role on ship: swimmer. Or pirate relations specialist. Maybe a fisherman, because they need might need more food?

Hatchi would serve this role better - he has already been shown in this particular position several times. But that was only for the food and isn't the crux of joining.

I think Jinbe's role serves as someone who knows the pirate world the best, because he was once a Shichibukai. If Luffy wants to become Pirate King, he needs to know how to do top tier pirate politics.

Actually this is a viable aspect - mediator/ambassador in a sense, who Jinbei knows and his established reputation residing with the Strawhats would allow for some of the more volitile situations to be avoided or at least delayed enough for us to get a better understanding without them being delayed by Luffy somehow trapping himself or being put in a situation that is would seem lame now given his new found strengths.

I think the crewmate after would be a geologist, because the islands coming up are going to be ridiculous.

Robin can still fill this role and Nami too I guess map making covers it as well.

igetownd

@Cymelion:

Actually this is a viable aspect - mediator/ambassador in a sense, who Jinbei knows and his established reputation residing with the Strawhats would allow for some of the more volitile situations to be avoided or at least delayed enough for us to get a better understanding without them being delayed by Luffy somehow trapping himself or being put in a situation that is would seem lame now given his new found strengths.

Robin can still fill this role and Nami too I guess map making covers it as well.

Robin and Nami do work with some ground, but they aren't specialists, and the New World has islands that are worth studying in depth. So a specialist would be needed. Plus, I wanna see a character controlling terrain with quicksand and mini-quakes.

Cymelion

@igetownd:

Robin and Nami do work with some ground, but they aren't specialists, and the New World has islands that are worth studying in depth. So a specialist would be needed. Plus, I wanna see a character controlling terrain with quicksand and mini-quakes.

Luffy: ON TO THE NEXT ISLAND GUYS
Geologist: Actually we can't - this island has a unique lithologic I'll need to use some stratigraphy we'll need to wait a bit while I study this indepth and understand it's meaning
Luffy: What is ratrafty? is it meat?
Geologist: No Luffy, it's the study of volcanic rocks and sedimentary.
Luffy: Volcano? WHAT AIKANU?!?! GEAR 2ND JET BAZOOKA
Geologist: (clearing dust) No it's just rocks I need to study
Luffy: How long?
Geologist: Oh don't worry it'll be a quick 17 years just to study an island this size.

Urouge

@rubia_ryu:

It does break down the order of bounties, though. Unless Luffy and his buds get raised bounties

Of course they will. They went through two years of training to get stronger by a huge amount. They'll certainly get new bounties to symbolize the growth. I can't imagine how it's even in question.

Jacoobus

Of course they will. They went through two years of training to get stronger by a huge amount. They'll certainly get new bounties to symbolize the growth. I can't imagine how it's even in question.

While this is undeniable I think you are ignoring the larger picture with the bounties and the reason they make some people skeptical about Jinbe. It's true that the crew will get substantially increased bounties at some point after this arc, but it's also highly unlikely anyone except Luffy will get enough of an increase to match or outdo Jinbe. Even if it's only a slight increase from 400-something to 500, Jinbe is just as likely to receive an increase as anyone else in the crew if only for officially joining. I don't see anyone's bounty more than tripling, which puts Jinbe ahead of the "monster trio." Of course there is a precedent for that with Robin, but it's not really the same at all. Jinbe's bounty is based purely on his strength and reputation unlike Robin who was given her bounty for other reasons.

Urouge

I have Zoro being worth 600 million. He's significantly stronger than Luffy was pre-timeskip and should be recognized as such.

What happens with Sanji is anyone's guess.

Noqanky

I can see Robin's bounty increasing considerably if her link to the revolutionaries is uncovered.

In that sense, I wouldn't be surprised if hers was above Sanji's again, seeing how Sanji is only dangerous to the world government in raw power and in being part of the SH crew, but not in anything else. Jinbe being an ex-shichibukai also makes sense as him having one of the higher bounties.

Darkstorm

I have Zoro being worth 600 million. He's significantly stronger than Luffy was pre-timeskip and should be recognized as such.

What happens with Sanji is anyone's guess.

I want his bounty to go down. Something like "If Kuma wasn't helping him he'd already have been arrested over the past couple of years because he's so weak".

Drake_Cloud

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/613

Of course they will. They went through two years of training to get stronger by a huge amount. They'll certainly get new bounties to symbolize the growth. I can't imagine how it's even in question.

Didn't the first cover of the "Decks of the World" show a newspaper with what looks like new wanted pictures on it? Some like Robin's look like their old one, but it looks like Zoro has his eye scar in the picture, so it may well be that they already have New-world level bounties, and maybe Luffy's already worth 600,000,000 beli or something. Fishman Island probably doesn't get New Coos, so the Straw Hats might not know about their new bounties yet, which is why Oda hasn't shown them.

Urouge

@Darkstorm:

I want his bounty to go down. Something like "If Kuma wasn't helping him he'd already have been arrested over the past couple of years because he's so weak".

Lol, that would be hilarious. But I doubt it. :cwy:

@Drake_Cloud:

Didn't the first cover of the "Decks of the World" show a newspaper with what looks like new wanted pictures on it? Some like Robin's look like their old one, but it looks like Zoro has his eye scar in the picture, so it may well be that they already have New-world level bounties, and maybe Luffy's already worth 600,000,000 beli or something. Fishman Island probably doesn't get New Coos, so the Straw Hats might not know about their new bounties yet, which is why Oda hasn't shown them.

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/613

They have their new pictures, yes. That shouldn't be confused with new bounties, though. Oda will save them for a major incident, rather than waste one of his few chances to increase them (and majorly) so easily.

speedyg

I have Zoro being worth 600 million. He's significantly stronger than Luffy was pre-timeskip and should be recognized as such.

What happens with Sanji is anyone's guess.

No he wasn't. Luffy is well known to have considerable strength and endurance. There is a reason he fights and overcomes the strongest villain in the arc while Zoro fights the 2nd strongest. Luffy is a lot tougher than he looks. Post time skip, it looks like he's stronger by a factor again, as he takes out a pacifista on his own while Zoro/Sanji take one out together.

Monster Trio together will be very formidable in the New World tho.

Jazzy Jinx

Urouge was saying that current Zoro is more powerful than Luffy pre-timeskip, which is the truth. Luffy's current bounty of 400,000,000 is his pre-timeskip bounty, or in other words, outdated.

speedyg

@Uncle:

Urouge was saying that current Zoro is more powerful than Luffy pre-timeskip, which is the truth. Luffy's current bounty of 400,000,000 is his pre-timeskip bounty, or in other words, outdated.

Well if it was that obvious, Luffy should leave the strongest villain to Zoro and go home and eat sushi then.

Jazzy Jinx

Is your reading comprehension zero?

speedyg

@Uncle:

Is your reading comprehension zero?

Do you not get sarcastic humour?

If we're talking Manga here it's pointless seeing how strong post time skip Luffy is.

Pre time skip Luffy is all about youthful exuberance and raw potential.

Jacoobus

I have Zoro being worth 600 million. He's significantly stronger than Luffy was pre-timeskip and should be recognized as such.

What happens with Sanji is anyone's guess.

Considerably stronger, yes. Twice as strong? I don't think so… Either way I find it hard to imagine his bounty exceeding 450 at the next jump.

Jazzy Jinx

@speedyg:

Do you not get sarcastic humour?

If we're talking Manga here it's pointless seeing how strong post time skip Luffy is.

Pre time skip Luffy is all about youthful exuberance and raw potential.

So your reading comprehension is zero.

speedyg

@Uncle:

So your reading comprehension is zero.

So you can't take a joke then.

I presume you're American?

Urouge

@Jacoobus:

Considerably stronger, yes. Twice as strong? I don't think so… Either way I find it hard to imagine his bounty exceeding 450 at the next jump.

Absolutely twice as strong. More so even. There's no doubt in my mind.

Consider the constant we were shown to evaluate growth. Luffy and his entire crew needed all they had to take out one pacifista before the timeskip. After the timeskip, Zoro cut one in half like butter.

@speedyg:

So you can't take a joke then.

I presume you're American?

If your entire post was a joke, then it's a pretty terrible joke.

speedyg