@alexwolf:
I said something generic that doesn't need specific reasoning.Saying that a Yonkou's crew can delay 2 admirals for a few minutes is not far fetched and seems very logical.
You on the other hand claimed that they couldn't defend the admiral's attacks 'cause they don't have such strong defense(like Marco,which was ur example).This claim needs some serious reasoning because it is very specific.And you have yet to give me a logical explanation as to why you believe this.
Yes it does. We saw holding back an Admiral is not an easy thing for high tiers to do. Why would the RH pirates not fail in the same amount of time it took Ace, Iva, Jinbei, and Inazuma to be overwhelmed? It took all the Commanders+crocodile to actually hold one off. Kizaru took the opportunity to warp into the sky so other than Beckman shooting him what could be done? Aokiji was nowhere near the RH so how could the RH minus Shanks&Beckman jump off the boat and assemble to stop Aokiji?
I am not saying that Ben Beckamn and Lucky could take their attacks i am saying that they should have prevented them in the first place.
**Ben was already aiming at Kizaru and he could have prevented him from attacking in some way.**Like when Whitebeard or Rayleigh prevented Kizaru from escaping remember?And why was Ao Kiji unguarded in the first place?
He is one of the 3 most important people that must be stopped in order to prevent any more casualties(the other 2 being Kizaru and Akainu),and yet noone had him covered?
One of the Red-Hair elites should have went in front of him and blocked his way simple as that.For a few minutes of 'course 'till Shanks makes his deal with the marines.
You keep generically saying "in some way" but the only way would be to shoot him. Shanks ordered Beckman not to or Beckman let his gaurd down and Kizaru took the opportunity to attack and even Beckman could do nothing once he was in the air.
Because Aokiji wasn't near them. You act like they sneaked onto the battlefield and only revealed themselves when Shank's came out. In reality Shank's got there slightly before his boat and then Beckman got on the mast near Kizaru afterward. Aokiji was on his own.
One RH blocking Aokij would equals one dead Red Hair pirate. It would take the entire group like it took to stop Akainu unless you think the every member were close to Ace, Vista, and Jozu in strength.
**So you believe that there is not a single elite man in Shanks's crew that holds a sword?**Or any weapon really that can be used as a shield to block someone?
**Because Benn holds guns,this means that this is his only way of fighting?**I don't think so.Especially if you consider that Yassop is the expert shooter in Shank's crew,which makes even more unilkely that Beckman is a dedicated shooter.
An Elite on the Admiral's or Rayleigh's level? Hell no. Vista cannot stop an Admiral alone so why would a high tier swordsman on Shank's crew be any different? Its the person and the effort they put into the fight that stopped Kizaru, not the weapon. My point was it took a fight to stop an Admiral. Not a defensive posture or threat of violence or whatever it is you're suggesting Lucky&Yassop could have done. For Ben Beckman to stop Kizaru he would have had to engage him.
Ben Beckman is always shown with a Gun or Rifle and is said to be especially smart. We have no reason to believe he is anything other than an expert Haki user&jack of all trades fighter who prefers firearms. Being a tactical genius and having he strength to handle others in close combat make him different than Yassop who would only be a Sniper.
First of all Croc is irrelevant 'cause he is very weak.The fact that he is a Logia means shit when monsters such as the admirals and the WB commanders clash.
Also i am not ranking them above Marco and Vista,i am putting them somewhere around their level.
Croc is not weaker than division commanders 6-16 who are not Vista's level. Being a logia means a lot on the world scale. Its why he is a warlord and somebody like Curiel and Atmos don't get as much hype from Oda or recognition from characters in the series.
Marco could block Akainu for a little while with his powers.Jozu too.
So i can't see the reason why Beckman and Lucky couldn't do the same,but instead of using their DVs(which we don't know if they have),they would use their weapons covered with haki?
This could at least prevent Ao Kiji and Kizaru from attacking 'till Shanks anounces the end of war.
That idea is incredibly stupid and generic. There is a million reasons why and I should't have to give you a single one. What does that even mean, "use weapons with haki"? Its not that simple. Its like saying why didn't Croc use Sables to blow away Magellan seeing as it worked on Don&Jozu? Clearly it wasn't that simple. The Admirals let off their nukes so it would take as dramatic a defense to stop them. Without knowing what Lucky can do you can't just assume he could do anything. Put it this way, what could Jozu or Vista do to Aokiji a distance away letting off a massive AoE attack?
Like you said Beckman could prevent Kizaru from attacking somehow**(i don't know his weapons but he must have something that can be used as a shield).**
Finally why where Lucky and Yassop still on the ship?Why didn't they rush around Ao Kiji in the first place?
Shanks rushed to stop Akainu,Beckman threatened Kizaru and Ao Kiji?Nothing.
No he does not. That is completely baseless.
Because that would be suicide and you're assuming a lot about their power&speed. Who says they even knew Aokiji's location? Its a Big Battlefield. Kizaru was easy to find because he was in the air and Akainu had a battle high and was right in front of the center of attention Coby. Aokiji was somewhere in the water among the many Marine and New World ships. Maybe they knew where he was. Doesn't matter if he is far away. Sneaking up or blitzing an Admiral like Beckman&Shank's did isn't easy.
That i agree with you.He couldn't just tank the attacks like Marco did.He could only prevent them from happening.And that is what he should have done.
That would take violence because it isn't something done as lightly as you're making it.
Here you are wrong.I know that pirates problems are their own and i don't expect Shanks to treat Luffy specialy.
The RH pirates wanted to prevent any more unecesary bloodshed because the outcome of the war had already been decided.If Luffy died wouldn't this be an unecessaary bloodshed?Didn't the RH pirates came exactly to stop this?
More people dying without meaning?
So the RH pirates should have defended Luffy,or hold back the admirals much better than they did.
That would have led to more fighting. What is so hard to comprehend about that?
I already explained why attacking wasn't the only solution.They could defend Luffy instead of attacking them.
You haven't explain how they defend without looking hostile.