There are many things in this story that could happen, but I just don't see what Luffy needs Jimbe for… I would love to have any reasons that are actually as valid as the other crew members.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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I gotta say, I'm completely against Jimbe joining…for now. I honestly don't see how "it's obvious he's joining".
Its not that its obvious, its more like he is the only likelly candidate and has hints which make us believe he will join, so even if he doesn't he is still, till now the only valid option.
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Lol, Buggy :c.
The arc isn't done. Aslong as Jinbe is still around, fighting with the Straw Hats. Having the mixed ideal of Othohime and Fisher Tiger. I believe he has a chance to join. He had a past, he has a dream. Luffy asked Chopper only in the end to join after the arc. He asked Franky to join the crew, after the whole shit enclosed.
We need a Fishman to join and there isn't a better place to get a Fishman then an island full of Fishman :D? Plus Jinbe showed us he is quite the Helmsman so he could steer it if needed.
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We need a Fishman to join and there isn't a better place to get a Fishman then an island full of Fishman :D? Plus Jinbe showed us he is quite the Helmsman so he could steer it if needed.
That's another thing, why do we need a fishman? I keep hearing people say that we NEED a fishman, but do we? Sure, it'd be cool to have one, but I don't think we have to have one.
Also, helmsman? Really? I don't think Helmsman is really up there with Doctor/Navigator/Chef/Shipwright as a necessary position for the crew. Sure musician isn't either, but that's been more of a gag with Luffy anyway. I think Franky does fine enough steering the ship.
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@Doke:
First of all I really don't think Shirahoshi will be part of the crew, although I would generally prefer a mermaid/man to fishman. Also thinking he's awesome isn't the most sound predictor of someone joining the crew…
Lastly the picture of Luffy remembering Jimbe upon reaching FI is only because they made a promise 2 years ago to meet up. How is that any indicator of future crew mate induction?
I feel like I shouldn't even bother explaining anymore why it is OBVIOUS that Jinbe will join,it's been said many times in this thread and it's pretty much settled since most of the traffic in this thread is mostly troll and small talk maybe a joke here or there ,but once in awhile someone comes in with a total BS reason of why Jinbe can't join or why he wont and it's certainly you're right to do so since this is a Forum,so therefore I reserve my right to use the same faulty reasoning on why I think he will join,including that link but here's more:
Chapter 634 color spread Oda chose to Draw all of the SH's close Friends from Fishman Island even the cove mermiads and the quintuplets except for Jinbe. Pretty odd don't cha think? maybe saving him for a little Chapter Titled the 9th? :ninja:
Ever since 634 chapter Oda has purposely made the Spectators in the plaza recognize the power of these "10" Pirates [[over and over…]]
The three most developed Fishmen in One Piece are Arlong,Jinbe and Hachi.
Arlong is a antagonist to the SH crew.
Hachi is a former antagonist turned Ally to the SH crew. [[Oda's style]]
Jinbe on the other hand will join and become their Next Nakamate.
They don't have an official Helmsmen so I assume if Jinbe joins he will fulfill this role ,people say Franky is already their Helmsmen but hell Ussop was patching up the ship before Franky came ,but one could argue there was need for a Professional Shipright considering the Merrys condition. But with the Helmsmen position on a ship I wouldn't think so, it's not like we'll find a Nakama who has a dream to be the Best Helmsmen in the World Derp thats lame tbh At this point in the story it would seem Oda wants to be wayyy more creative with the Recruitment than before hence why people like Brook and his dream seems so inferior compared to the others Ambitious dreams.
But Nami did say the Log Pose wasn't working and the Minister of the Right insinuated that there was something Different or special needed for a trip to the New World. Could this be a upgraded Log pose? maybe or maybe a certain position on the Ship that needs to be filled? who knows maybe that will play into Jinbe leaving with them.
Finally the Coins. The arc has been going in Jinbe's favor since the beginning don't you all think we should start to take them seriously? :ninja:
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It's not OBVIOUS, it's likely. There's a huge difference between these two words. I'll be happy if he joins, I think he will, but it's not certain.
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It's not OBVIOUS, it's likely. There's a huge difference between these two words. I'll be happy if he joins, I think he will, but it's not certain.
This is true but if people wanna pretend like it's not likely then i'll be stubborn and claim that it's obvious,it so is obvious :ninja:
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Everyone thought Vivi would join. Robin joined. Any arguments about jimbei joining or not are invalid now
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Everyone thought Vivi would join. Robin joined. Any arguments about jimbei joining or not are invalid now
Yes, that's exactly my point. There are likely developments, but Oda can do whatever he wants, including throwing everyone off.
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Everyone thought Vivi would join. Robin joined. Any arguments about jimbei joining or not are invalid now
Not really. If anyone had suggested Robin would join before it happened they would have been called stupid and rightly so as there was no evidence towards that conclusion, even though it would have been right. Arguements are made about the likeliness of Jinbe joining based on signs and evidence taken directly from the story. Is it set in stone? Of course not. Can we predict it to a reasonable extent? Yes. Perona did not join as the intelligent people predicted. Same for Hancock. Same for a ton of other random fanfiction predictions
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I don't think anyone is joining this arc. Not Shirahoshi, not Jimbei, not anyone. At least, not right now.
Personally I don't really see Jimbei as a Strawhat. There are a plethora of reasons for this opinion, but my biggest one is that he doesn't seem to really have any chemistry with the crew. He's not really adding anything personalitywise.
@Doke:
There are many things in this story that could happen, but I just don't see what Luffy needs Jimbe for… I would love to have any reasons that are actually as valid as the other crew members.
These arguments have popped up for forever.
I respect the fact that you may not like Jinbe yourself, youthninja, because not every character can appeal to everyone. I also respect that you think no one will join, because frankly that's also a very possible outcome.
However, you cannot say Jinbe doesn't have chemistry with the group. That's just blinding yourself to evidence to maintain an opinion. Jinbe has already shown himself fighting with the crew and requesting their collaboration. What's more, he's had specific interactions with Nami, Luffy, and Sanji. And from sharing his story he also probably has support and approval from Franky and Chopper. His personality fits quite well with Robin and Zoro, and he hasn't interacted enough with Brook.
And he has shown an interesting personality. He is generally serious and grumpy and caring to the point of choosing to damage himself, but he's also not beyond facefaults, petty fights with Luffy, and delaying action so he can come up with the name of a plan. Oh, not to mention the fact that when he made a comment in the middle of a fight he did so while beating on someone. Considering how much of a straight man he is, he's hilarious.As to why Luffy needs Jinbe … First of all, Luffy doesn't usually take in members out of need, even when there actually is a need. When the crew needed a chef, he chose Sanji because he liked him. When they needed a doctor, he picked Chopper because he was weird and interesting without even knowing he was a doctor. Etc etc.
That aside, Jinbe can be highly useful. The crew has 4 DF users, and having a fishman helps deal with their main weakness. Also, the main vulnerability of a ship in a world with fishmen is below the water, Jinbe can cover that. I don't agree with others that he'll be helmsman because frankly he hasn't shown interest or a passion in that job so it would be too random ... but even if he were, we don't know the details of New World navigation so it could easily be made necessary to have a very good helmsman. -
sigh… if only Oda could join the crew, then it would make a grand special... not official chapter, though. Scratch that.
If only Jinbe could show me something more than what has been seen so far to convince the many skeptics like me. It's like the Water 7 debates once again.
Edit: And while I'm at this thought, what were the choices before Franky joined? Paulie and Kaku were favorites, if I recall. Franky didn't seem obvious until by the Sea Train scenes, when he was still only "viable". By the Enies Lobby Arc, it became obvious. So far in this arc, we have not seen enough of Jinbe to warrant any certainty besides Hodi being defeated, most likely by his own pills. If we can expect anything, it'd have to be long afterward.
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Well I might as well attack some points then before im done with this thread. You can't really define jimbei's character from the point we're at now. His island is in a crisis ofcourse his mood would be more serious than usual. I'm also sure that no one liked franky after he beat the shit out of Usopp and robbed the strawhats but he was a damn interesting character. Robin was "evil and a burden" Nami was a thief. With character development these characters have become very interesting from robin's disturbing statements and lack of shock to franky's man tears and centaur mode. If jimbei joins you may not like him the most but he'll get along with the strawhats just like the others and you'll begin to like (or for psychological purposes trick your mind into liking his personality because he is a main character) him. Come at me
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Well I might as well attack some points then before im done with this thread. You can't really define jimbei's character from the point we're at now. His island is in a crisis ofcourse his mood would be more serious than usual. I'm also sure that no one liked franky after he beat the shit out of Usopp and robbed the strawhats but he was a damn interesting character. Robin was "evil and a burden" Nami was a thief. With character development these characters have become very interesting from robin's disturbing statements and lack of shock to franky's man tears and centaur mode. If jimbei joins you may not like him the most but he'll get along with the strawhats just like the others and you'll begin to like (or for psychological purposes trick your mind into liking his personality because he is a main character) him. Come at me
I kind of like this point actually ,we're all being stubbon lets continue!!!! I think Jinbe will join because he has the best Fishman Karate :ninja:
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I understand a lot of the points you guys are making. You guys are correct in the notion that Luffy doesn't pick his crew out of neccessity but on whether or not he likes them. I'll admit that whether or not the crew needs him is a moot point.
The "he can save the DF users in water" thing still doesn't do it for me as a reason, but I'll leave that for now
I'll just say one thing that I probably should have clarified in the beginning: I am not against Jimbei joining AT ALL, I'm against him joining
based on the current information we have about him now. If Oda can give me reasons why Jimbei can and should join the crew later on, I'll welcom him with open arms. In short, I don't see a reason why Jimbei would say "yes" if Luffy asked him. I'm not convinced that Jinbei himself feels the want or need to sail with them. -
SHs needs a fishman/mermaid and a giant (just for diversity lol). Weakhoshi FTW! :D
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I don't understand the "Helmsman Jinbe" argument at all. Where did it come from?
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Him steering the Marine boat from Impel Down to Marineford.
http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/549/7
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The argument whether or not Luffy needs them is valid particularly because we do not know what Luffy thinks. It took until the fight with Arlong to vocalize why he needed all the people in his crew. Luffy, for all examples other than Robin, picked the people to be in his crew. Its not only based on whether or not he likes them, in Chopper's case it because he liked him, yes, but Chopper would not have joined just for that reason either. Luffy had to prove himself to Chopper. I still think all of these examples are weak arguments. Sanji and Zoro have been able to save Luffy, Chopper, and Brook every time it's been needed. Yes while we do not know if helmsman will be a necessity or not in the New World but there has been zero mention at all in the manga. When Luffy made Nami join they needed a navigator, when Luffy made Chopper join they needed a doctor, when Franky joined they needed a carpenter, with Sanji they needed a cook, and lastly Brook. Even Luffy made Zoro join because he needed some one strong to accompany him on his journy. There has been zero mention of helmsman. Now of course there could be things that happen in the future that prove me wrong, but just going by precedent there is not a pattern that Jimbe matches.
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there is not a pattern that Jimbe matches.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. xD
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@Doke:
The argument whether or not Luffy needs them is valid particularly because we do not know what Luffy thinks. It took until the fight with Arlong to vocalize why he needed all the people in his crew. Luffy, for all examples other than Robin, picked the people to be in his crew. Its not only based on whether or not he likes them, in Chopper's case it because he liked him, yes, but Chopper would not have joined just for that reason either. Luffy had to prove himself to Chopper. I still think all of these examples are weak arguments. Sanji and Zoro have been able to save Luffy, Chopper, and Brook every time it's been needed. Yes while we do not know if helmsman will be a necessity or not in the New World but there has been zero mention at all in the manga. When Luffy made Nami join they needed a navigator, when Luffy made Chopper join they needed a doctor, when Franky joined they needed a carpenter, with Sanji they needed a cook, and lastly Brook. Even Luffy made Zoro join because he needed some one strong to accompany him on his journy. There has been zero mention of helmsman. Now of course there could be things that happen in the future that prove me wrong, but just going by precedent there is not a pattern that Jimbe matches.
While the non-DF straw hats can save the sinking ones, it's still a considerable loss of time and an inconvenience. Think of the moment they crashed into fishman island and the current was too strong for Sanji to help anyone before passing out. We don't know the seas in the New World and it would be logical if Oda pulled something like currents to explain why it's crazy suicidal to swim in those waters without knowing the currents well enough. And in such a case, a fishman would be vital.
Also, Luffy wanted Vivi to join even though she literally contributed nothing. She wasn't particularly strong, she didn't possess a useful skill for a pirate ship. She was just someone Luffy considered nakama. Sure, she didn't join, but that should be a good criteria for us to understand how Luffy's mind works. Not to mention all the offers he made to weird zombies in Thriller Bark.
There is no question that Jinbe is on his way to matching most precedents set. Flashback, relevance in his arc, specific skills no other member possesses, and crew interactions. The things we are not fully certain of yet are a dream that would justify him joining and whether or not Luffy will actually ask him to join. And those things are the kind that could happen last moment as they did with Franky.
If you think jinbe still won't join, then you can use much more solid arguments than him not matching precedents, because he's clearly and slowly covering them. THAT is obvious. It's better to just argue the fact that it is possible Oda is throwing a curve ball and that it is just as logical for Jinbe to stay with Fishman island/his crew as it is for him to join, at least until we have more information regarding his situation.
Or you could just outright say you prefer no one joined this arc.
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Him steering the Marine boat from Impel Down to Marineford.
http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/549/7
I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's where it originated from.Not really, while it started gaining momentum among Jinbe supporters after that scene, I believe it was mentioned as a possibility beforehand simply because Teach has one in his crew and Luffy doesn't. It is a weak theory, based on almost nothing.
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But the only reasons you give for Jimbe joining are precedents, which in fact other members of the straw hats don't posses… I don't care if Jimbe does or does not join. All I'm saying is it is in no way cut and dry that he will.
Jimbe has not had a flash back btw, he was featured in a flash back but it in no way was it his own.
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@Doke:
But the only reasons you give for Jimbe joining are precedents, which in fact other members of the straw hats don't posses… I don't care if Jimbe does or does not join. All I'm saying is it is in no way cut and dry that he will.
Jimbe has not had a flash back btw, he was featured in a flash back but it in no way was it his own.
Ok, I'm a little confused by your argument.
You mention that there are particular similarities between all straw hats joining, correct? And then you stated that Jinbe followed no such precedents and thus he lacked empirical support for joining. Then I went ahead and gave you an explanation of the patterns he is following and that he shares with previous straw hats.
Now you reply saying that what I'm giving you are precedents the other Straw Hats don't possess? I feel like there's something lost in translation here.Also, some flashbacks are arguably not about the characters. You could argue Franky's was not about him, it was about Tom and Water 7. He just was featured in it as he played an important role. Every character, in his/her flashback, is the one who embodies the will and dreams of their mentors and inspirations. In the recent flashback, this was the case for several characters: Jinbe, Shirahoshi, and the Neptune brothers. However, the latter four characters don't have quite as heavy evidence to support them joining. Jinbe is left as the most likely individual to carry the will of both Tiger and Otohime into this new generation. So far, of course.
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A real Nami x 10.
I think, but, One Piece would be different…
Yeah, but I'm asking why a girl and why a giant.
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@Doke:
But the only reasons you give for Jimbe joining are precedents, which in fact other members of the straw hats don't posses… I don't care if Jimbe does or does not join. All I'm saying is it is in no way cut and dry that he will.
Jimbe has not had a flash back btw, he was featured in a flash back but it in no way was it his own.
What the hell?
So Franky's flashback was about Tom?
Chopper's about Hiruluk?
Sanji's about Zeff?
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@Doke:
Sanji and Zoro have been able to save Luffy, Chopper, and Brook every time it's been needed.
Except for the one time in the Arlong arc. Oh, and that one time in Enies Lobby. Oh yeah, and that one time when they crashed into Fishman Island. There was also that time before Sabaody when Sanji couldn't even save himself. Pssh, details.
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Everyone thought Vivi would join. Robin joined. Any arguments about jimbei joining or not are invalid now
I never thought Vivi would join. That wouldn't make sense. (P.S.: I also never thought Robin would join)
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Except for the one time in the Arlong arc. Oh, and that one time in Enies Lobby. Oh yeah, and that one time when they crashed into Fishman Island. There was also that time before Sabaody when Sanji couldn't even save himself. Pssh, details.
You make it sound like they have trouble with water all the time. I doubt Jinbe will be recruited just to solve a situtional problem.
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I personally think the next crew member is….. Jewelry Bonney!
Yes, I said it. Why? Because in the manga she has some past with the WG and was captured by the Blackbeard Pirates, but then was caught by Akainu. I know that Oda wouldn't just randomly put that in the manga; it must mean something!
So this is what I think, when the Fishman Arc is over (Or even more arcs over that), her named is mentioned and they have to "search for her. Luffy wanted 10 crew members, so he might declare Bonney as his new member. When they save her, Zoro will be like, "Weren't you that girl who faked my death in front of the Celestial Dragon? You sure grew a lot…" Haha....
Your probably saying, "Damn! Her bounty is too high to be in that ship! We don't need ANOTHER Supernova!". When they rampaged over the marines, the crews' bounties might go up. Here's my guess of their bouties:
Luffy: 400,500,000 Beli
Zoro: 340,000,000 Beli
Robin: 90,000,000 Beli
Sanji: 87,000,000 Beli
Franky: 64,000,000 Beli
Brook: 53,000,000 Beli
Sogeking: I'm not sure if Usopp will wear the mask again, but if he does, 40,000,000 Beli
Nami: 30,000,000 Beli
Chopper: 100 Beli I still think the WG thinks he is still a pet, but since the crew became more strong, the bounty would be bigger.
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I personally think the next crew member is….. Jewelry Bonney!
Yes, I said it. Why? Because in the manga she has some past with the WG and was captured by the Blackbeard Pirates, but then was caught by Akainu. I know that Oda wouldn't just randomly put that in the manga; it must mean something!
So this is what I think, when the Fishman Arc is over (Or even more arcs over that), her named is mentioned and they have to "search for her. Luffy wanted 10 crew members, so he might declare Bonney as his new member. When they save her, Zoro will be like, "Weren't you that girl who faked my death in front of the Celestial Dragon? You sure grew a lot…" Haha....
Your probably saying, "Damn! Her bounty is too high to be in that ship! We don't need ANOTHER Supernova!". When they rampaged over the marines, the crews' bounties might go up. Here's my guess of their bouties:
Luffy: 400,500,000 Beli
Zoro: 340,000,000 Beli
Robin: 90,000,000 Beli
Sanji: 87,000,000 Beli
Franky: 64,000,000 Beli
Brook: 53,000,000 Beli
Sogeking: I'm not sure if Usopp will wear the mask again, but if he does, 40,000,000 Beli
Nami: 30,000,000 Beli
Chopper: 100 Beli I still think the WG thinks he is still a pet, but since the crew became more strong, the bounty would be bigger.
Please, If I made any flaws, feel free to ask me questions!Ok, I normally don't do this because I'm not that much of an ass, but I'm not in a good mood and bored on top, so here goes:
This is complete, ridiculous, baseless and utter bullshit. First, not "next", if anything, "some distant future". It's like you discard everything we've had this arc so far and jump ahead ignoring the possibilities to come. That's not what annoys me though. Obviously Bonney has some significance. That much is clear. but how do you come from "must mean something" to "she's gonna join!" that's such a messed up fan fiction thought. Even how you explain it happening is just hilarious.
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You make it sound like they have trouble with water all the time. I doubt Jinbe will be recruited just to solve a situtional problem.
…The OP world is 90%~ ocean. I don't think you can call it "situational problem".
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You make it sound like they have trouble with water all the time. I doubt Jinbe will be recruited just to solve a situtional problem.
Because it has nothing on how often the ship needs to be repaired, right? Oh, and that Chopper, he can just get off the ship and stay on Fishman Island. After all, his doctor skills are only required situationally.
It isn't really even that rare at all. What's remotely rare are only the times they can't handle it themselves. That said, it still happens enough.
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Yeah, but I'm asking why a girl and why a giant.
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People at work are wondering why I was laughing so hard at that lol
Excellent work Kai.I do however agree with most of whats being discussed here - it's not obvious unless you're invested in it - I think that while Jinbei is the most prevalent choice and the most logical, waiting for the ask/agree speach isn't a foul on anyone. Being stupid about it and raising personal prefences as facts however is a major foul and doesn't add to the conversation at all.
I keep wavering between my theory and Jinbei but I'll be honest but I'm pretty sure I will be the one conceeding here not the Jinbei supporters.
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@Thousand:
I personally think the next crew member is….. Jewelry Bonney!
Yes, I said it. Why? Because in the manga she has some past with the WG and was captured by the Blackbeard Pirates, but then was caught by Akainu. I know that Oda wouldn't just randomly put that in the manga; it must mean something!I brought that up before and i also think that Bonney has a chance to join, but it
s still way to early. We have to wait that the crew goes to the meeting of the kings and there we might get more information, so that this prediction gets some base. Right now it
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Really, I only have a single question left: Who's gonna ask first, Luffy or Jinbe?
Personally, I'm hoping they ask at the same time; t'would make another excellent point for fishman/human equal standing.
"Wanna join?" / "May I join?" XD
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Guys maybe Brownbeard will join. He's been shown 2 times! One time when he invaded Whitebeard's territory after he died and another time when facing Basil Hawkins. Come on guys, there has to be some significance to showing him not once, but twice!
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I think Brownbeard's dead because of Basil Hawkins seeing the "shadow of death" on him. So he won't be joining the Straw Hat Pirates.
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I think Brownbeard's dead because of Basil Hawkins seeing the "shadow of death" on him. So he won't be joining the Straw Hat Pirates.
I believe that was an attempt at the subtle art of "sarcasm". ;P
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Somehow, his avatar fits.
And if Jinbe were to join, I'd say he'd be the one to ask. Luffy doesn't see him as a crewmate. But that brings up the question: why would Jinbe ask to join them? Unless there's some hidden motive that we haven't seen yet.
And Shirley's prediction still hangs around; no idea how it'll happen. If anything, by accident…
OT: Oda, please, let Luffy keep the coral device. It could be really useful in certain situations.
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I believe that was an attempt at the subtle art of "sarcasm". ;P
If Basil Hawkins hadn't been known for using his cards to make predictions, I might agree with you. But since he was using his cards to figure that out, I'm pretty sure he was serious.
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If Basil Hawkins hadn't been known for using his cards to make predictions, I might agree with you. But since he was using his cards to figure that out, I'm pretty sure he was serious.
Possibly meant Dondondodo was being sarcastic - in a belayed way from the past few pages when people were bringing up points about presence in the manga being a lead in to joining.
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Possibly meant Dondondodo was being sarcastic - in a belayed way from the past few pages when people were bringing up points about presence in the manga being a lead in to joining.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic lol because someone mentioned Jewelry Bonney will join because she appeared once again after the Marineford War beinh captured by Blacbeard that it is going to be some very significant reason as to why she will join. I was being sarcastic while stating Brownbeard. :P
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What they said. XD
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Why make someone explain obvious sarcasm? It just kills the joke. Geez.
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Why make someone explain obvious sarcasm? It just kills the joke. Geez.
Internet has no sarcastic font - Although Comic Sans would be a viable option if it did.