Mangastream mistook "Poêle à frire" for "Boire à frire", which means… Nothing. o_o
Being french, it really made me laugh ^^
Chapter 635: "So Disgusting, You Gotta Fly" - Discussion
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30-79 is not WAY higher
77-400+ is WAY higher
if jimbei is say 400 or 450, then after this arc i feel like sanji and zoro need to be like 300+ at least or it would not feel right to me
What did Zoro do? Kill monkeys
What did Sanji do? Frolic with transvesties
What kind of broken system do those equal Betraying the goverment in the middle of the biggest war in recent history, and a prission break of 300 of the worst pirates of the world?
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the villains could have been made more intimidating and despicable
Not really. The whole point of the two year break was to have a good chance to survive in the New World. But, Fishman Island is just a gateway to it, and part of the Red Line. If they had a CP9-esque knock-out drag-out fight with a smug, little shit like Hodi and his over-sized gang, do you really think they'd have a chance against someone like Kaidou or Blackbeard or Akainu or whoever lurks in the New World?
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Could the cover story be alluding to the return or a more business/tech savvy Wapol? I'm under the impression that he want from creating toy robots to developing actual robots and other machinery on the side. I'm curious as to what the new "Black Drum" Kingdom is like, though it looks like he's got a lease on Moria's old castle
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This chapter was great. Chopper made me laugh, and it was great to see Surume again. Zoro was bad ass like always and finally Sanji showed something awesome. In the recent years he just haven't really had that much cool moments unlike others, and all those nosebleeds were annoying. I'm glad that he had a time to shine now. He may be easily my least favourite SH but this chapter made me like him a bit more.
Also, my only complain about this chapter is that we didn't see Mansopp in action yet. I just cant wait to see his and Nami's new moves.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that, no. Jinbe is the first fishman Shichibukai in the same way that Obama is the first black President. Even after he leaves office he will still be the first black president even if we haven't had another. The presumption here is that the barrier, having been broken, cannot be put back and someone is bound to follow. The same terminology was used to describe Lindbergh as the first man to fly solo across the Atlantic, Chuck Yaeger as the first to break the sound barrier, Gragarin as the first man in space, etc–all before their feats were replicated. The same sentence could obviously still be used to indicate that there is another new fishman shichibukai out there, but it need not be the case.
the fact that jimbei is NO LONGER a warlord is what makes the sentence confusing.
lets take OBAMA for example.
Obama IS the first black president. you can't say WAS because he currently still is the president. BUT as soon as his term is up in a 2012 or 2016 the sentence will then be "obama WAS the first black president" it is now WAS because he is no longer the president. This was does not mean there is a new or another one after him.
same for jimbei, the was is because he is no longer a warlord.
you can not conclude from that sentence that there is or isn't another fishman warlord, there is not any evidence to state one or the other. The statement is just that a statement declaring jimbei as the first fishman warlord.
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I personally think, even though it would have been delayed a little more, the Straw Hats should have somehow went to one tiny little island before Fishman Island, because people are getting confused. This arc is about fishmen and history and slavery/racism and all that, sure, but the arc is now shifting gears into showing the Straw Hats pummeling enemies, which is also one of the purposes of the arc. This needed to be accomplished before a more menacing enemy appears, because it would have been very tasteless for the Straw Hats to immediately encounter a threatening enemy and be destroyed by him right after their 2 years of hard work.
They could have done all this ass-kicking stuff at the other island so people would have a nice little divider in their heads. OOOH, this island was about Straw Hats kicking ass. Fishman Island was about racism and drugs! What? An island having multiple purposes? Impossible!
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Mangastream mistook "Poêle à frire" for "Boire à frire", which means… Nothing. o_o
Being french, it really made me laugh ^^Then can you tell us what his attack translates to? Also, I would hate if all of Sanji's new moves are gonna get juxtaposed with his transvestite days. We don't get those mini-flashbacks with Zoro or anyone else when they show off a new move. It would be nice to just have Sanji do cool things like before without making such a creepy face at Shirahoshi in between.
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For me personally an unfullfilling chapter, perhaps too much flashy moves and bragging and not much happening except for SH's kind of "forcefully" showing off their new moves against fodder
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Then can you tell us what his attack translates to? Also, I would hate if all of Sanji's new moves are gonna get juxtaposed with his transvestite days. We don't get those mini-flashbacks with Zoro or anyone else when they show off a new move. It would be nice to just have Sanji do cool things like before without making such a creepy face at Shirahoshi in between.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's "frying pan"
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Wo, that chapter was boss! Every thing about, plus we finally see Sanji and what he can do and we should never thing less of him. HAHA Luffy cracked me up the most though, every thing about it. Man, I can't wait to see this part in the anime
i second that statement. i don't know what more exiciting
-Zoro's new move?
-Sanji's Sky Walk?
-Robin's giant legs
-Franky's Rhino cycle?
-the dino tank?
-Surume switching sides?luffy's just laughing and Hodi's plan falling before his eyes. he must really be pissed now!
i tell ya this week has been worth it!
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Needless to say I loved the chapter, especially sanjis Sky Walk and the reasoning behind it.
I don't understand the negative reaction at all, so what if it has been seen before? We saw mihawk cut up a ship pre-grandline, did it make zoros feat any less impressive? not to me. Rayleigh used a controlled Haoshoku Haki burst in Sabaody and I dont hear people saying that Luffy stole Rayleighs move. Most of the haki feats we will see from luffy will have been done by others pre-skip, Ill stop there while these may not be great examples I hope it made my point clear.
Also on his spectrum attack, the way I see it sanji is firing a barrage of kicks from a higher position and knocking the enemy down one after another rather than simply kicking one multiple times but I could be wrong.
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What did Zoro do? Kill monkeys
What did Sanji do? Frolic with transvesties
What kind of broken system do those equal Betraying the goverment in the middle of the biggest war in recent history, and a prission break of 300 of the worst pirates of the world?
zoro trained with mihawk, he beat the monkey like in the first day practically.
sanji well don't know much of his training.but regardless that is beside teh point, i know why their bounties are only 77 and 160 and i know why jimbei is 400+
all i'm stating is that lets say this arc ends, due to no marine activity or eyes being here the chances of a bounty increase are slim. So then we have a 400,000,000 captain, a 160,000,000 first man and 77,000,000 sanji. Then all of a sudden as well a 400,000,000+ fishman.
it just doesn't sit well with me. if sanji and zoro were say 300,000,000 and 250,000,000 or something like that, then that is fine. but they are just sooo far behind jimbei it feels like they got cheapened big time.
Lets say the strawhats were a basketball team. feels like the strawhats who worked so hard together for so long and trained and struggled and pushed to the limits to become so a playoff team from starting at the last team in the league, but then all of a sudden the general manager says screw you guys i'm going to give lebron james a shit ton of money to come over to our team. All of a sudden james is seen as the person who made this team win the championship and the rest of the team (besides luffy) is forgotten
just feels like adding a bounty so high to the team is like jimbei made our team awesome and without him we would not be able to compete in new world.
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i second that statement. i don't know what more exiciting
-Zoro's new move?
-Sanji's Sky Walk?
-Robin's giant legs
-Franky's Rhino cycle?
-the dino tank?
-Surume switching sides?luffy's just laughing and Hodi's plan falling before his eyes. he must really be pissed now!
i tell ya this week has been worth it!
the thing i loved about this chpater most was it almost feels like the strawhats are the bad guys. they are just killing left and right and disrupting plans and laughing the whole time.
doesn't feel like your typical hero moments, but like the bad guys
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Thank you for asking. We might have seen a lot more about Fishman Island, like we did with Skypiea as opposed to just skimming through various locations like we did in this arc, Fisher Tiger and Otohime could have been developed a lot more than they were, interesting minor characters like Madame Shirley or Tom's brother could have been more fleshed out, Shirahoshi's character arc never felt complete, the villains could have been made more intimidating and despicable, and a lot of other things that I can't be bothered to remember right now.
Instead we got the Straw Hats beating up a bunch of guys with their new powers. And a tank. How investing.
Im seeing where you're are coming from and I may understand your complaints partially; however there are small details that might be important to look into.
1. Comparing it to skypiea isn't exactly accurate. Skypiea/Jaya was composed mainly of 3 to 4 important locations which makes detailing in story telling easier; furthermore the mystery of vearth being found on a sky island. When you compare the context of the adventures it may seem that a higher detail may be needed for sites of mystery; nevertheless FI is not the case; in fact, the topic is discrimination. If you take into account that a band of outlaws has just raised up to take over a Kingdom with at least 8 locations. (Can someone help me with the number please, I don't feel like counting them). the places of interest to the SH's are reduced and of course they haven't been in each and every site on fishman island.
The fact that the riot and taking on arms by Hody is happening should be portrayed all around and thats where the "skimming through" various locations that you speak of appears.2. Tiger and Otohime had their spotlight, especially the last one. Fleshing out further these characters could have been nice but maybe unnecessary. As I see it their ideals went through (although some people misunderstood them) and that was their main purpose. To pass the torch onto the next generation.
3. I must agree with the den part, but it's better to be patient. He still lives so who knows what will happen on the future and considering the circumstances in which they met each other, well it makes sense that the crew would hurry up to save their friends and help jimbe (who's Luffy's friend) and not start chating away with den about his lifestyle and customs. On the other hand we have Madame shirley from who we get a prophecy and just small hints of her background. Still we shouldn't rush she's alive so far.
4. About the villains. I suppose its a matter of taste so everyone gives their takes on them. I found it fresh that for once in a very looooong time the SH don't need to struggle. Granted when things are made more difficult they also become more interesting, but once in a while is good to see our
heroespirates kicking some ass effortlessly. Cause they had indeed a pretty rough time. Plus the new fishman pirates are, well NEW as they say which I translate it as Rookies and at this moment I believe the SHs are at least a step higher than that.This is just a personal appreciation,
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Play-by-play (because I can otherwise never get all I have to say in one go):
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Cover page: Evil Drum Kingdom is created.
Me: That secret society vibe is giving me a bad feeling. :S
Octopus guy: C'mon guys! We're still 50,000 strong!
Me: ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
Hodi: I shoot the princess!
Princess: Oh no
Me: She doesn't look very frightened does she?
….Meh.
Brook play Festival Night
Me: Hello, what sort of imagery is this then?
They shoot their guns into the air
Me: Ooooooh, they're hallucinating. Not only that, but Brook can control their mood somewhat. Neat.
Slice!
Me: I love you Brook.
Zoro's Blade Tornado Move
Me: That should explain itself.
Sanji is about to get attacked by the spiky guys
Me: Holy--! How will he beat this one? :blink:
Sanji: SkyWalk!!
Me: This is so hilarious and so awesome at the same time that I nearly wet myself.
Robin summons giant legs
Me: I'll be blunt; that looks a little dirty.
Starts stomping
Me: Really dirty, from what I've seen on the internet. There's gonna be fetish fuel on TVTropes tonight.
Rhino Bike
Me: I'm crying tears of joy right now.
Dinosaur Tank
Me: I just fainted from pure awesomeness.
Luffy boards the Kraken
Me: Still fainted
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the fact that jimbei is NO LONGER a warlord is what makes the sentence confusing.
lets take OBAMA for example.
Obama IS the first black president. you can't say WAS because he currently still is the president. BUT as soon as his term is up in a 2012 or 2016 the sentence will then be "obama WAS the first black president" it is now WAS because he is no longer the president. This was does not mean there is a new or another one after him.
same for jimbei, the was is because he is no longer a warlord.
you can not conclude from that sentence that there is or isn't another fishman warlord, there is not any evidence to state one or the other. The statement is just that a statement declaring jimbei as the first fishman warlord.
I agree that you can not conclude from that sentence whether or not there is another fishman warlord, that was the point I made in my post. People are keying off the word "first" and interpreting it to mean that there must be a second which isn't true. Whether we're talking about "was" or "is" I don't see how it makes any difference to the point I was addressing… notice how the post I quoted even bolded the problem word.
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the fact that jimbei is NO LONGER a warlord is what makes the sentence confusing.
lets take OBAMA for example.
Obama IS the first black president. you can't say WAS because he currently still is the president. BUT as soon as his term is up in a 2012 or 2016 the sentence will then be "obama WAS the first black president" it is now WAS because he is no longer the president. This was does not mean there is a new or another one after him.
same for jimbei, the was is because he is no longer a warlord.
you can not conclude from that sentence that there is or isn't another fishman warlord, there is not any evidence to state one or the other. The statement is just that a statement declaring jimbei as the first fishman warlord.
Well it is somewhat telling that Oda would use "fishman" warlord at all. Just saying he was an ex warlord would have got the point across Jinbe is strong.
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@Mr.:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's "frying pan"
Yeah, Frying Pan. And not Frying Drink or whatever xD
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Zoro's tornado will follow you to the ends of hell.
Sanji's moonwalk is greated from the enemy of a manly man's desire to escape monsters.
Commander Chopper, Usopp, and Franky are getting all G.I.Joe on our asses.
And Hordy just snaps.
Great stuff.
Also, Wapol's got a new Drum Kingdom. I guess we're happy for him… I guess.
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I agree that you can not conclude from that sentence whether or not there is another fishman warlord, that was the point I made in my post. People are keying off the word "first" and interpreting it to mean that there must be a second which isn't true. Whether we're talking about "was" or "is" I don't see how it makes any difference to the point I was addressing… notice how the post I quoted even bolded the problem word.
my quote of you was to continue what you were saying in agreement to you, sorry if misleading
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Finally back in the game. And this chapter was worth the wait, I gotta say. Also, it's dedicated to Sanji, which he needed. Damn, if this chapter had been earlier, he might have fared better against Usopp… I think. Anyways. Moving on.
Wait a second did Oda re-design Chopper with that helmet specifically for this moment? That scene wouldn't have worked with just his pink hat.
That sounds like a valid explanation indeed. :ninja:
Freaking fucking trucking great chapter! All the abilities where awesome, but, above all. . .
. . .that cover-story! Wapol being backed up by the world nobles and ruling over Drum again???
Reverie arc RIGHT NOW, PLEASE!
I completely agree with you, this screams for more - a continuation of the present arc into the Reverie will show us Vivi and Wapol again, probably, and it would be unsatisfactory to see him having created a new evil kingdom again, and not appearing ever again. I didn't even think we'd see him in the coverstory, it sure got me by surprise…
"First fishman to serve in the Shichibukai" - I'm definitely looking into this too much, but this could mean that there's another fishman Shichibukai right now.
That was my first thought as well when I read that. I do hope that is the case, but somehow it doesn't sit right - it would mean that first of all, there is a new, yet unknown Fishman strong enough to rival Jinbe in reputation, in a way, or else I don't understand why the World Government picked him - HOPEFULLY it's not Arlong - and most importantly, someone on Fishman Island surely would have mentioned this if it was the case.
@Oga:
Just realized, was that Chopper roaring on top of the tank. Now I'm not the cutsie type, but that was adorable.
"rrrooooaaaarrr!"
Best part of the chapter for me.What did Zoro do? Kill monkeys
What did Sanji do? Frolic with transvesties
What kind of broken system do those equal Betraying the goverment in the middle of the biggest war in recent history, and a prission break of 300 of the worst pirates of the world?
I agree with you. And don't understand why Jinbe's bounty has anything to do with his chances of joining or not. Especially comparing it to Zoro's and Sanji's - that has nothing to do with it, folks! Stop your thoughts of "but ze monsta trio haz to be all zimilar in ztrenght or else!"… It's weird comparing those power levels anyways. So cut it out. Especially when you refer to their bounties.
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Was the Kraken crying when Luffy told it "That means you are a friend!!!" ?
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were not hating on sanji, its just we expected him to learn this since we first saw it probably like 200 chapters ago or whenever kalifa first did it.
so its kind of like finally instead of holy shit.
Didn't it take years and years of training for CP9 to learn moves like geppou? You can't expect Sanji to see it and then know how to do it straight away. Plus the only arc that had one on one fights after Enies Lobby was Thriller Bark, and Sanji had no reason to use geppou in his fight against Absalom. Saboady saw the SHs get their asses kicked and then we had the time skip.
About it not being unique… you guys do realise that we have the whole of the New World left. I think we're going to see a shit load more from the SHs. Personally I'm happy to see Sanji use the CP9 move... it suites his fighting style, especially since his strength is all in his legs. It'd be weird if he DIDN'T learn a type of geppou.
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Well it is somewhat telling that Oda would use "fishman" warlord at all. Just saying he was an ex warlord would have got the point across Jinbe is strong.
i think the FISHMAN was used for several reasons.
1. it was a fishman talking right? and regardless of otohime's efforts there is still a bit of pride and discrimation both in regards to fishman/human. thus jimbei being a fishman they are proud and thus refer to him as such
2. a FISHMAN despite all the hate for them somehow managed to become a warlord. the government recognized his strength and gave him a job. I mean hell look at the marineford arc. is there a single fishman marine? it kind of speaks volumes that they gave a fishman then something like warlord. again thus why the fishman are proud of it and say so.just like black people would be proud and say that obama is the first black president versus saying just "well he was president" or jackie robinson was the first major league baseball player instead of just "he was a major league player"
hell take baseball example again. I'm sure there were PLENTY of black or minority people that were better than lots of WHITE baseball players, but because of race they were not even considered to play. Thus you woudl assume that the FIRST person to be accepted must have been insanely good for a team to decide to let him play.
again to the fishman they recognize how much they are hated and thought badly of, and thus for jimbei to catch the WG's eyes and get them to give him a job he must be something special
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A fun chapter, if a little fan-service-y. Nothing happened other than the major characters unleashing new techniques against enemies that really have no consequence. I was most impressed with Brook's new attack, while the other Strawhats seemed to exhibit 'more of the same' type moves. Not complaining, though, still really enjoyed the chapter.
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Didn't it take years and years of training for CP9 to learn moves like geppou? You can't expect Sanji to see it and then know how to do it straight away. Plus the only arc that had one on one fights after Enies Lobby was Thriller Bark, and Sanji had no reason to use geppou in his fight against Absalom. Saboady saw the SHs get their asses kicked and then we had the time skip.
About it not being unique… you guys do realise that we have the whole of the New World left. I think we're going to see a shit load more from the SHs. Personally I'm happy to see Sanji use the CP9 move... it suites his fighting style, especially since his strength is all in his legs. It'd be weird if he DIDN'T learn a type of geppou.
i know we have the whole new world left. thats why i'm hoping in this arc we see geppou, ryankaku, soru, ect from sanji right away instead of getting one each new arc.
woudl really suck if halfway through the new world sanji uses say Ryankaku for the first time. I mean hell zoro has had a ranged attack since skypiea, and we saw sanji's mentor use a ranged attack. he needs one NOW. I dont' want to spend the rest of the manga learning CP9 moves.
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Was the Kraken crying when Luffy told it "That means you are a friend!!!" ?
Yes, a Boy and his Kraken.
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A fun chapter, if a little fan-service-y. Nothing happened other than the major characters unleashing new techniques against enemies that really have no consequence. I was most impressed with Brook's new attack, while the other Strawhats seemed to exhibit 'more of the same' type moves. Not complaining, though, still really enjoyed the chapter.
yep exactly what you said. though based on last weeks chapter expecting anything but what was shown this week was stupid.
anyone with any sense could tell that it was going to be a week of fodder killing.
next week will be finishin up fodder and potential matchups being shown, and or update on Noah
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zoro trained with mihawk, he beat the monkey like in the first day practically.
sanji well don't know much of his training.but regardless that is beside teh point, i know why their bounties are only 77 and 160 and i know why jimbei is 400+
all i'm stating is that lets say this arc ends, due to no marine activity or eyes being here the chances of a bounty increase are slim. So then we have a 400,000,000 captain, a 160,000,000 first man and 77,000,000 sanji. Then all of a sudden as well a 400,000,000+ fishman.
it just doesn't sit well with me. if sanji and zoro were say 300,000,000 and 250,000,000 or something like that, then that is fine. but they are just sooo far behind jimbei it feels like they got cheapened big time.Lets say the strawhats were a basketball team. feels like the strawhats who worked so hard together for so long and trained and struggled and pushed to the limits to become so a playoff team from starting at the last team in the league, but then all of a sudden the general manager says screw you guys i'm going to give lebron james a shit ton of money to come over to our team. All of a sudden james is seen as the person who made this team win the championship and the rest of the team (besides luffy) is forgotten
just feels like adding a bounty so high to the team is like jimbei made our team awesome and without him we would not be able to compete in new world.
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the thing i loved about this chpater most was it almost feels like the strawhats are the bad guys. they are just killing left and right and disrupting plans and laughing the whole time.
doesn't feel like your typical hero moments, but like the bad guys
One thing you are forgetting is that their bounties are currently updated as of today in comic world. What Hodi held up was an old poster upated over 2 years ago. Remember just as they left Shaboady the news went out and Sentomaru told HQ that the Straw Hats had undergone a shocking level of growth. The news papers did show new bounty pictures we just don't know about numbers yet. Robin's was updated with a 1 million increase proabably just to get her latest picture up there so I can only assume that the Straw Hat's have new numbers as well. Only thing is there is no way I can see Zoro or Sanji getting anywhere near 400,000,000 unless Sentomaru took that pacifista beating as something worthy of 200,000,000 million or so.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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i know we have the whole new world left. thats why i'm hoping in this arc we see geppou, ryankaku, soru, ect from sanji right away instead of getting one each new arc.
woudl really suck if halfway through the new world sanji uses say Ryankaku for the first time. I mean hell zoro has had a ranged attack since skypiea, and we saw sanji's mentor use a ranged attack. he needs one NOW. I dont' want to spend the rest of the manga learning CP9 moves.
I don't think you have to worry about Sanji using ryankaku with a huge reaction. He might pull it out now and then, but I think geppou is the most interesting of all techniques because it's always nice to fly lol. It can benefit any character, even those at Yonkou level. The other attacks look like they have their limits in terms of power. Geppou can be used in more than one situation (e.g. getting around quickly, or having to view things from a dstance), which makes Sanji more useful.
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One thing you are forgetting is that their bounties are currently updated as of today in comic world. What Hodi held up was an old poster upated over 2 years ago. Remember just as they left Shaboady the news went out and Sentomaru told HQ that the Straw Hats had undergone a shocking level of growth. The news papers did show new bounty pictures we just don't know about numbers yet. Robin's was updated with a 1 million increase proabably just to get her latest picture up there so I can only assume that the Straw Hat's have new numbers as well. Only thing is there is no way I can see Zoro or Sanji getting anywhere near 400,000,000 unless Sentomaru took that pacifista beating as something to be worth of 200,000,000 million or so.
yes i can see them getting new due to sentemaru
was just saying if they didn't, it would not sit right with me having luffy at 400mil, zoro 160mil, sanji 77mil and jimbei 400+mill. just feels like if ace would have joined in arabasta or something.
now if sentemaru puts them at like 500 mil, 350 mil, 300 mil or somtehing like that. then i'm fine with a 400 mil joining.
is zoro/sanji stronger than jimbei? who knows, possibly, possibly not. This is not about strength, this is about a lobsided bountiness in the crew. It doesn't feel right that after 650 chapters that someone should come in an be higher bountied than them all by A HUGE MARGIN.
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Epic chapter but not as impressive as the last two. I bet Zoro and Sanji will end up with 10000 each.
The straw hats are going for a wipe out. Hody is such an underwelhming villain.
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Epic chapter but not as impressive as the last two. I bet Zoro and Sanji will end up with 10000 each.
The straw hats are going for a wipe out. Hody is such an underwelhming villain.
I think like someone posted earlier, this arc wouldn't really have an overwhelming villain from the get go because it would be kinda lame if after 2 years of training the strawhats would have to struggle to defeat a new enemy from the get go. They have to atleast show their new flashy moves and all ;) The only thing that comes in my mind is, How the hell hody was planning on going against Big Mam since the island was supposedly under her protection…
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I think like someone posted earlier, this arc wouldn't really have an overwhelming villain from the get go because it would be kinda lame if after 2 years of training the strawhats would have to struggle to defeat a new enemy from the get go. They have to atleast show their new flashy moves and all ;) The only thing that comes in my mind is, How the hell hody was planning on going against Big Mam since the island was supposedly under her protection…
i would assume that they attack her ship while she heads to the island.
HUMANS have the disadvantage of needed to take a coated ship down to fishman island. Thus fishman BREAK the bubble and they die from pressure.
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Since the soccer game I'm watching has its half-time break, it's time to review this chapter bit by bit.
- The cover caught me off guard. It was IMO clear that Wapol's up to something (doing his business, having his wife etc.) but who would've guessed that he's that successful? Well considering he most likely delivered his Wapometal for the world government it was to be expected that he's going to be rewarded in a proper way. But nonetheless he's looking good.
- Oh Zeo! It's simply hilarious how his pun's getting used. Can't wait for the third time he gets ignored like that.
- Jinbe calling Hody's fishmen karate rookie-like? Then that would mean that Jinbe is already in his prime (mastering such a powerful technique surely is a great achievement). But on the other hand it also means that Hody's a weak drug addict. Guess I've to see more interactions with Jinbe and his technique to really be able to judge properly. Oh and 400'000'000? Nice one buddy.
- So Brook's the first in this chapter to show off some new developed power? Fine with me! Something like that was obvious but it's still great. His music became a dangerous tool and you know what Brook? Rock it to the bone! YOHOHO!
- Oh my fuckin' god. Is it even possible to get an orgasm just because a manga character is being beyond badass?! Since today it surely is. Zoro's attack and his statement concerning hell and stuff were so unbelievably BADASS! Takanome did a good job, eh?
- This chapter is wholly that man's chapter! There's nothing left to add.
- Robin-chan! Sexy legs are sexy. Those new techniques with giant limbs are getting better and better. I'm curious to see what else she's got for us. Oh and her polite attitude and 'excuse' just added a sliver of elegance to her attack–perfect.
- Franky reminded me in this chapter why I love his character. When I saw those new weapons, my reaction was pretty much the same as Luffy's. And the fact that he's wearing his 'classical' hairstyle, only makes it even better.
- Commander Chopper? Make me proud! So great.
- Let's see who's left. Ah Surume! The moment Hody mentioned where he got Surume from immediately reminded me of Arlong talking about his sea monster (correct me if I'm wrong but he did mention it himself, didn't he?). It was clear that he'd go with Luffy but still funny to read. Hody's face afterwards? Priceless.
This chapter has nothing left to be desired. Just like a standard One Piece chapter it was awesome. The only thing I'm concerned of now is the upcoming fight between the NFP and the Mugiwara crew. I really hope that they'll constitute worthy opponents for our protagonists since it currently looks like they'd get their assed kicked through the whole freakin' sea.
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It seems people put much more faith in the SH growth over those 2 years than me. Last time people were saying that Jinbe is at Sanji's level at best, but weaker than Zoro and things like that.
Of course that we'll only start to see now how much they grew, but up to this point I REAAALLY doubt Sanji and/or Zoro are as strong as a Shichibukai or the likes of Rob Lucci (who seems Shichibukai level to me).
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Whoa, I thought flying swordslashes couldn't cut iron? Zoro has raised the bar yet again lol.
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I agree with you. And don't understand why Jinbe's bounty has anything to do with his chances of joining or not. Especially comparing it to Zoro's and Sanji's - that has nothing to do with it, folks! Stop your thoughts of "but ze monsta trio haz to be all zimilar in ztrenght or else!"… It's weird comparing those power levels anyways. So cut it out. Especially when you refer to their bounties.
Up until now Oda has been fairly careful adjusting the bounties such that they don't seriously conflict with the presumed "power rankings." We know that he has clearly stated they are not a power ranking system, so it's fine to occasionally have outliers like child Robin and her 79 million bounty. Where the problem comes in is that the similarity between bounties and power has allowed people–for more than ten years--to strongly correlate the two. For this reason it would be very jarring to toss Jinbe's 400 million into the crew causing mass hysteria as people try to re-order the crew members. This isn't a huge problem and could be overcome, but it's sloppy enough that I think it's unlikely Oda would go about it in that way. Far from conclusive evidence, surely, but still suggestive in my opinion.
On a more basic level, this bounty business could be indicative of Oda building up Jinbe such that it's clear he's just plain to big and bold to serve under Luffy. If he doesn't end up joining, later we'll look at things like this and think it was so obvious all along.
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Yes that is exactly my thoughts. having a 400+ million bounty join them would totally eclipse the others in the group. It is just not feasible to have someone with that high of a bounty to be just joining up when their average bounties atm isn't even at the 100's
Also take note that Robin didn't officially join them until ennies lobby where zorro's and everyone's bounties also rose up
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/78589100/4
Jimbei was the first fishman to serve on the Shichibukai? Implying that there have been more than one? Does this mean that one of the new Shichibukai is a Fishman?
Or is this just a mistranslation?
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@Badass:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/78589100/4
Jimbei was the first fishman to serve on the Shichibukai? Implying that there have been more than one? Does this mean that one of the new Shichibukai is a Fishman?
Or is this just a mistranslation?
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I'm gonna use the similarity some other guy did earlier in the thread.
Jimbei's the first in the same way that Obama is the first black president.
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Why is everyone taking that to mean there are other Shichibukai Fishmen? It's not even implied at all. Roger was the first man to reach Raftel, doesn't mean other people have done it since then.
Also, I'm expecting (hoping) Hody to go berserk next chapter, as I think the past two and a half chapters of ass-whooping are setting the NFP up to go completely overboard, stuff their throats with ES and lay down some shit. Luffy riding Surume was probably the last straw as it were for Hody, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see Hody attack Surume next chapter or something of the sort.
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Up until now Oda has been fairly careful adjusting the bounties such that they don't seriously conflict with the presumed "power rankings." We know that he has clearly stated they are not a power ranking system, so it's fine to occasionally have outliers like child Robin and her 79 million bounty. Where the problem comes in is that the similarity between bounties and power has allowed people–for more than ten years--to strongly correlate the two. For this reason it would be very jarring to toss Jinbe's 400 million into the crew causing mass hysteria as people try to re-order the crew members. This isn't a huge problem and could be overcome, but it's sloppy enough that I think it's unlikely Oda would go about it in that way. Far from conclusive evidence, surely, but still suggestive in my opinion.
On a more basic level, this bounty business could be indicative of Oda building up Jinbe such that it's clear he's just plain to big and bold to serve under Luffy. If he doesn't end up joining, later we'll look at things like this and think it was so obvious all along.
But that's exactly the problem, just as you rightly pointed out - people strongly correlate the two, while we all agree that the bounty is not a valid representation of one's strength at all. In my eyes, it wouldn't exactly be "sloppy" but rather something to finally say: "hey, get it by now? This is NOT what I intended for when introducing bounties." Or something alike.
It might be what you said, too, but I just think the problem lies within the reader's need to grasp at everything that remotely resembles a strength representation to compare characters. That's normal. But exactly the problem in this case.Something else I noticed while reading the chapter and wasn't mentioned yet - I'm surprised at the quite unique and interesting character designs of the various fodder-squadrons. Especially these guys here:
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[/hidE]Now I don't know about you guys, but I do like those designs and the fact that Oda still has a lot up his sleeves. On the other hand, it seems like a waste to introduce characters and have them smashed to pieces on the next page just to show off new abilities. But that's just my opinion… Anyways, they DO look more interesting to me than say, Dosun, Fukaboshi, and some other more important characters we've been introduced to recently.
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zoro trained with mihawk, he beat the monkey like in the first day practically.
sanji well don't know much of his training.but regardless that is beside teh point, i know why their bounties are only 77 and 160 and i know why jimbei is 400+
all i'm stating is that lets say this arc ends, due to no marine activity or eyes being here the chances of a bounty increase are slim. So then we have a 400,000,000 captain, a 160,000,000 first man and 77,000,000 sanji. Then all of a sudden as well a 400,000,000+ fishman.
it just doesn't sit well with me. if sanji and zoro were say 300,000,000 and 250,000,000 or something like that, then that is fine. but they are just sooo far behind jimbei it feels like they got cheapened big time.
Lets say the strawhats were a basketball team. feels like the strawhats who worked so hard together for so long and trained and struggled and pushed to the limits to become so a playoff team from starting at the last team in the league, but then all of a sudden the general manager says screw you guys i'm going to give lebron james a shit ton of money to come over to our team. All of a sudden james is seen as the person who made this team win the championship and the rest of the team (besides luffy) is forgotten
just feels like adding a bounty so high to the team is like jimbei made our team awesome and without him we would not be able to compete in new world.
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the thing i loved about this chpater most was it almost feels like the strawhats are the bad guys. they are just killing left and right and disrupting plans and laughing the whole time.
doesn't feel like your typical hero moments, but like the bad guys
Bounties aren't nearly alike paychecks.
It's like the player's evaluation by a news network.
That a new player with bigger score than the highest of the team has nothing to do with anything, other than the news network wanting to kill the team more.
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@Badass:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/78589100/4
Jimbei was the first fishman to serve on the Shichibukai? Implying that there have been more than one? Does this mean that one of the new Shichibukai is a Fishman?
Or is this just a mistranslation?
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Crocodile is also the first man called crocodile to serve as a shichibukai.
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Whoa, I thought flying swordslashes couldn't cut iron? Zoro has raised the bar yet again lol.
Nope, Lucci was shown doing it, like 200 chapters ago, it's nothing new.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2529-16/one-piece/chapter-422.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-2529-17/one-piece/chapter-422.html
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chapter title alone is already a win. only Oda can come up with this kind of title along w/ a bad-ass chapter. :happy:
just thinking of the title alone makes me LoL
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Jinbe's bounty is 400.000.000 because the WG is out for his scaly ass, not necessarily because he's x times as strong as Sanji/Zoro. This chapter has nothing to suggest that he's any stronger people thought he was in the last few dozen chapters.
Also, people complaining about Sky Walk; yes, it is Geppou, good work. It's not like Oda's trying to hide that, Robin mentions the fact that it's a CP9 technique. Are people upset by the fact that Luffy moves quickly during Gear 2? Every time that happens, he's using Soru. >_> I think Sky Walk and Blue Walk are gonna make Sanji an even more versatile fighter, which is an exciting prospect to me.
Brook's new ability is at the same time hysterical, interesting and absurdly cool. Really shows (in an exaggerated way) the effect music has on people's minds and perceptions. That combined with his distended soul ability make me like Brook all the more, and he's always been one of my favourite Straw Hats. Great to see him get down to business for the first time post-timeskip. I keep imagining him doing a Bone Shigan at some point… XD
The new Soldier Dock vehicles are pretty cool, but I'll be disappointed if they don't show up again. I'm really hoping the Straw Hats make more use of the Soldier Dock system during the New World; I love Franky and I love the Sunny and I really want to see the latter's capabilities being integral to their adventure.
Robin's legs are pretty cool, good to see her as more of a fighting force as well. Zoro's technique was also really cool, I just hope he isn't super-serious all the time in battle post-timeskip.
Overall, a great chapter, I thought. To me the arc is getting better and better and I'm excited to see where it's all going in the next few chapters.
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Hodi with Surume:
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/635/16
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/635/17Arlong with Mohmoo:
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2180-7/one-piece/chapter-73.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2189-20/one-piece/chapter-82.htmlIncidentally, Luffy also tamed Mohmoo and used him for "advanced sea navigation":
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2180-19/one-piece/chapter-73.html
The parallels seem to continue.~
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Also, I see Jinbe's bounty as more of a ruse than anything. Not in the sense of an actual ruse in the plot but as a story device. People expected Jinbe to join and so to make his joining more special and more of a surprise, Oda gives him a larger bounty. This is something that shouldn't matter but makes the event grander when it actually happens. After all, when Robin joined she did have a higher bounty than Zoro and still has a higher bounty than Sanji to this day. The difference may not be that great but it's there.
However, that doesn't affect people's perspectives on the power levels and in this case, it shouldn't either. The ruse is just there to trick gullible people into thinking he can't join now.
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Oh brook, you're so fine you're so fine you blow my mind.
His attacks can now influence the mood of individuals to the point that they forget what they are doing.
I love the way Oda takes something real and exaggerates it instead of just inventing a completely new thing. Music does influence your mood, I know that I would never go up to a group of random strangers and push and shovel and jump and borderline beat them up and get beaten up under normal circumstances, but I do when I'm in a mosh pit.And then Brook slices them up~
