Watch out, guys, this is mangastream we're talking about, they are known for making translation mistakes.
Chapter 623: "The Pirate Fisher Tiger"
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Neptune reminiscing earlier (perhaps just a few hours or days ago) to when Fisher Tiger brought him the news.
I don't think it can be though, because Otohime says in present time "On that day, there was no way we could have stopped him". If he has already freed the slaves, that would be referring to the formation of the Sun pirates, but there's no mention of them at this point. Everything's focused on his freeing of the slaves.
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I'll be honest. This chapter…..kinda felt rushed to me.
This entire ARC is rushed. Oda's going overtime for… some reason. Which is leading to less taking in of little details, establishment of location, and leading to bits of confusion like what we're getting now because he keeps throwing in little bits of information after where they occur.
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But Tiger tells his crew in 623 that on his "last voyage", that is, the voyage he returned from in 621, he was a slave.
Unless Tiger's return to discuss slave liberation with Neptune was clandestine, and Jinbe/Arlong/the rest didn't know about it, he didn't return to Fishman Island between being enslaved and freeing the slaves.
common bro, seriously…. he have a two panel flash back right there with King Neptune on the latest chapter. Neptune ask him what did he see? and he said human. That the second time we seen that flashback, Why would Neptune ask him about his adventure if he just outright raid MarieJois before coming back to FI. He even said he didn't want to tell them that he was a slave so no one know about that until he told them.
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A question: since I'm a relative Arlong Park neophyte and don't know too much about the past history of the boards, do most of the arcs get picked apart and examined for plot-holes as much as Fishman Island has? I'm not complaining–it's refreshing to read other folk's thoughts on a series no one I knows reads--but it certainly seems like there have been more serious problems raised with this arc than I've noticed when reading about older arcs, especially regarding the larger timeline of the series.
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All this time-line confusion is really annoying. I think Oda should have been more clear.
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I don't think it can be though, because Otohime says in present time "On that day, there was no way we could have stopped him". If he has already freed the slaves, that would be referring to the formation of the Sun pirates, but there's no mention of them at this point. Everything's focused on his freeing of the slaves.
And right after the freeing of the slaves, the entire old gang gives up what they were doing, and become the Sun Pirates and start taking revenge on humans. Tiger was talking about taking long term revenge on humans, he wasn't talking about going up to free fishmen… that's something the army WOULD have gotten behind.
A question: since I'm a relative Arlong Park neophyte and don't know too much about the past history of the boards, do most of the arcs get picked apart and examined for plot-holes as much as Fishman Island has? I'm not complaining–it's refreshing to read other folk's thoughts on a series no one I knows reads--but it certainly seems like there have been more serious problems raised with this arc than I've noticed when reading about older arcs, especially regarding the larger timeline of the series.
Chapters usually get discussed a lot, but in this case, Oda being sloppy is a bigger factor than usual.
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@RobbyBevard:
This entire ARC is rushed. Oda's going overtime for… some reason. Which is leading to less taking in of little details, establishment of location, and leading to bits of confusion like what we're getting now because he keeps throwing in little bits of information after where they occur.
Well when you put it like that, you have a point. Hm….
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Wondering:
The Shikibukai, when they were formed? When the goverment said "We need 7 strong pirates to be our privateers" (Skikibukai are privateers, the emperors are warlords)I guess is around the time that the yonkou were consolidated and started to form into political powers in the new world, at least after Roger's death.
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So Fisher Tiger is basically the story of a normal being made legend through myths.
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Seems like he really wants to get to the New World…..but has had this arc set in his mind for a while. We know Oda's OCD about getting every detail down so maybe his editors are rushing him.
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@RobbyBevard:
This entire ARC is rushed. Oda's going overtime for… some reason. Which is leading to less taking in of little details, establishment of location, and leading to bits of confusion like what we're getting now because he keeps throwing in little bits of information after where they occur.
Possible reaction from how long the Skypeia arc?(which he said went on for longer than he anticipated).
I wonder if we'll get a map of FI and a slower pace once the flashback is over and done with. I'd really like that.
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And right after the freeing of the slaves, the entire old gang gives up what they were doing, and become the Sun Pirates and start taking revenge on humans.
But it doesn't seem to me as if that (the freeing of the slaves) had already happened when he arrives at FI in chapter 621. Jimbei & Arlong were all like "hey, what's up, what've you been up to?" with no indication that they were greeting the return of a hero who had freed countless fishman slaves, but rather their old childhood friend / mentor (which is what he was, of course). Granted, people were cheering. But you'd think that Oda would've thrown in shouts indicating that they're greeting the hero Fisher Tiger if that's what he intended to be the case…
Maybe the news didn't reach FI until a while later? That's the best explanation I can think of.
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Fishman Island should be a two year arc by all rights.
It looks like Oda is trying to avoid another Skypiea and to do it in one.
Which is a shame.
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Once and for all, people: Tiger freed himself, returned to Fishman Island, where he met Arlong and Jinbe, and went to talk to the king.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/58373218/15
See they talking how Tiger went on a "long" journey "this time"? See Tiger talking about going to meet the king? Tiger had just escaped and returned to Fishman Island. Then he goes and talks to the king:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/35896723/4
He's obviously asking the king to support him on his attack. The king refuses. (Also, notice that in this same page we see the king finding out what Tiger did and remembering his prior meeting with Tiger. It's obvious that Tiger meeting the king happened before the news of the attack came out. Why would Tiger ask for help if he had already attacked Marijois?)
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/35896723/5
And here we see Otohime saying how they couldn't stop him "that day".
And now in this chapter, Tiger confirms he was a escaped slave, and we see minor flashbacks to his return to FI and his meeting with the king.
It's obvious that Tiger returned to FI after escaping, asked the king to help him, and THEN returned to Marijois to kick ass and save some slaves.
I'm reiterating this because there still seems to be some confusion for a reason.
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A sunday chapter! And what a chapter that is!
Just wow. The parts without dialogue, those panels that spoke for themselves without a single word, are absolutely astonishing.
It's great to see the little girl bonding with the fishmen on their way home. But the part where she tries to hold Tiger's hand pulled my heart strings somehow. That imagery speaks directly to the heart! Everything that followed was just as touching.
Seeing Tiger, suffering of slavery himself, suddenly turned the shining hero into a tragic one. The worst is seeing him fight his inner turmoil. Him realizing he's unable to ever really accept humans, must be the demons he must have been talking about one chapter earlier. And this pain and hate he cannot overcome is breaking his heart. And mine.
I fucking love this character.Koala pretty much confirmed for re-appearing character, she's gonna have her part in establishing true peace between the races. And it's gonna be awesome.
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But it doesn't seem to me as if that had already happened when he arrives at FI in chapter 621. Jimbei & Arlong were all like "hey, what's up, what've you been up to?" with no indication that they were greeting the return of a hero who had freed countless fishman slaves, but rather their old childhood friend / mentor.
Maybe the news didn't reach FI until a while later? That's the best explanation I can think of.
That's exactly what happened. He arrives back at the island. There is then a 6 panel flashback saying "Here's how the fishman district got like this, and here's the four big names from it and what they did." And then the news reaches the island and everyone talks about what a big hero he was. They then form the sun pirates and rampage.
God, we knew at the time 621 was bad and rushed, but who knew that sloppiness would carry over so badly and cause so much confusion after the details were filled in.
@Mr.:
I'm reiterating this because there still seems to be some confusion for a reason.
There's confusion because that interpretation is probably wrong.
When Tiger's resolve can't be swayed? Is it to go attack? Or to form a rebel group? Its ridiculously ambiguous and out of order.
Its because a 6 panel sequence is so sloppilly done, it could go either way. Is it a timeskip? Or a brief caption filled flashback? Oda kinda screwed us with that one.
But it makes a LOT more sense for Tiger to be a slave, break out and free all the other slaves at the same time, than to break out, then go back, and break out again.
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I honestly don't think the arc feels rushed at all. For Luffy to reach the Sea forest it took him 6 chapters.
But if you think the flashback felt rushed, then remember Brook's flashback of the Rumba pirates that took only 2 chapters.
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i'm not feeling a rush either, i just feel like i'm reading normally.
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@RobbyBevard:
Fishman Island should be a two year arc by all rights.
It looks like Oda is trying to avoid another Skypiea and to do it in one.
Which is a shame.
True, this arc had so much potential and it is being wasted.
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Woohoo! Wasn't expecting there to be a chapter out this early, just went on the site to see if there were super early spoilers.
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@MDL:
i'm not feeling a rush either, i just feel like i'm reading normally.
Exactly, there's no rush at all. For example like I said, it took Luffy and Shirahoshi 6 chapters to reach the Sea forest. Hell, it's like people are asking for a 100 chapter FI arc and a 10 chapter flashback.
I'm tired of people complayning and saying an arc feels rushed or dragged because of God knows which reasons.
@RobbyBevard:
Fishman Island should be a two year arc by all rights.
It looks like Oda is trying to avoid another Skypiea and to do it in one.
Which is a shame.
Watch your words carefully, because if this arc lasts 2 years…
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@RobbyBevard:
This entire ARC is rushed. Oda's going overtime for… some reason. Which is leading to less taking in of little details, establishment of location, and leading to bits of confusion like what we're getting now because he keeps throwing in little bits of information after where they occur.
Maybe he is trying to get back to the SH's?
I mean they seperated prior to the war arc - and since then it's been Luffy in Jail - Luffy at War - Flashback of Luffy and Ace 2 year time skip and straight into a flee from Marines - then to the bottom of the ocean and a couple of skirmishes. Now into a flashback with no SH's.
It's a long time without having much interaction with the crew people have spent up to what 12 years?
While some people may have wanted him to take his time here and enjoy it - he may be rushing for the fans thinking they want to see the SH's or maybe this arc isn't as important to him as it was many years ago - maybe there is a new arc he is excited to be doing next so he wants to spin through this for that.
Some reasons I can think of for the speed.
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That's exactly what happened. He arrives back at the island. There is then a 6 panel flashback saying "Here's how the fishman distrcit got like this, and here's the four big names from it and what they did." And then the news reaches the island and everyone talks about what a big hero he was. They then form the sun pirates and rampage.
Hmm, that does seem to make sense. It's really, really, really unclear that Otohime was apparently referring to his formation of the Sun pirates with her "On that day, there was no way we could have stopped him" quote but at least it makes sense now. There's one thing, though…
Jimbei: "By himself, he launched an attack against Mariejois and set the slaves free…"
Now I understand that Oda wouldn't want to spoil that he didn't actually climb the RL, if that's the case, but still… Jimbei was one of the (presumably) few who knew the truth about the Tiger. The full truth. And he still says that Tiger "launched" an attack against Mariejois. Though I guess this could be explained by it being mangastream wording / translation.
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On the bright side, at least Oda is perfectly capturing the emotion. Koala's reunion was quite touching. It's such a shame though that of all arcs to drop the ball, it had to be Fishman Island.
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Guys, stop now. The arc doesn't feel rushed nor it feels dragged. I've been reading One Piece for 6 years already, and never felt anything like this.
Just read it like you do.
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I keep trying to think how the arc is being rushed and what details are missing but I just can't seem to think of a reason. I look back at posts where people say the arc is rushed but surprisingly I'm not getting much justification from them as to why they think so. Should I feel this way too?
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Honestly, I'm not sure we're ever going to see a two-year arc again (and I personally don't mind). The arcs since Skypiea:
Skypiea: 65 Chapters
Davy Back: 18 Chapters
Water 7: 52 Chapters
Enies Lobby: 55 Chapters (65 if you count the denouement)
Thriller Bark: 47 Chapters
Sabaody: 23 Chapters
Amazon Lily: 9 Chapters (12 if some of the separation chapters are counted)
Impel Down: 24 Chapters
Marineford: 31 Chapters
Post-War: 18 ChaptersSince Skypiea, his longest arc has been Enies Lobby, which had pacing problems of its own. Really, for the last few years, he's seemed much more content with doing shorter arcs that pack more storyline content per page with somewhat less detail. This might be the reality of the One Piece of the future, though the increasing number of confusing issues and potential errors is concerning. Let's face it, he's probably not wanting to do this for another 13 years; look at other mangas that have been running for a similar amount of time (Bleach/Naruto) and notice how burned out those writers seem. Just because Oda's been one of the best out there for a while doesn't mean that he might not want to be done with One Piece himself.
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You know, I just saw something else… though this may be a mangastream thing, I dunno if it's the proper translation, but...
Tiger: "You don't have to put up with this! Free yourself from the discriminating life they have forced upon you!"
Seems to be referring to the way Fishman Island is isolated, away from humans - forced upon the fish- and merfolk by the racism of humans? So it would make sense, then, for Tiger to be asking Neptune to join him with the Sun pirates. Though again, mangastream translation…
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But if you think the flashback felt rushed, then remember Brook's flashback of the Rumba pirates that took only 2 chapters.
Brook's flashback had far less ground to cover.
"We met this cute whale that liked our music. We left him behind and promised to return. Then we all died." Brook and Laboon were the only important characters.
This has politics, racism, world history, dozens of characters, and covers decades of important history. Its a far more important flashback.Watch your words carefully, because if this arc lasts 2 years…
Then it will be as long as it should be. 100 chapter and a 10 chapter flashback is about what it SHOULD be, what was expected going in. There's worldbuilding and history to be revealed here, huge issues, and its been teased and built up for years. It SHOULD be the length of SKypiea, or Water 7. It shouldn't be the length of Drum, but that seems to be what its rushing torwards.
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This arc is rushed, just compare the chapters after the time-skip to when they arrived in Fishman Island until now. I'd say that Oda wants to get to the New World, and this is a mandatory stop so it's holding him back. And, if he hadn't been hyping it since the end of Enies Lobby, I'm pretty sure he would just pass through in a few chapters. Can't say I blame him: when working on longer pieces, and there is somewhere you eagerly want to get to, some areas will / feel rushed.
That being said, I like what Fisher Tiger ended up being. The fact that he was once a slave should have been extremely obvious, but his legend diminishes any notion that he could have been. I am disappointed that he died so quickly, but I've already explained why. I really look forward to seeing Koala in the main timeline, as she seems to be too important of a character to ignore.
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I really don't see this arc lasting more than the rest of this year, if that. The only way it could last longer is if there is a bigger bad, and there is some secret, behind the scenes conspiracy shit going on. But, I feel like we've already seen everything this arc has to present, so the rest will just be working with what we've got.
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@RobbyBevard:
That's exactly what happened. He arrives back at the island. There is then a 6 panel flashback saying "Here's how the fishman district got like this, and here's the four big names from it and what they did." And then the news reaches the island and everyone talks about what a big hero he was. They then form the sun pirates and rampage.
God, we knew at the time 621 was bad and rushed, but who knew that sloppiness would carry over so badly and cause so much confusion after the details were filled in.
There's confusion because that interpretation has a chance of being wrong.
Its because a 6 panel sequence is so sloppilly done, it could go either way. Is it a timeskip? Or a brief caption filled flashback? Oda kinda screwed us with that one.
But it makes a LOT more sense for Tiger to be a slave, break out and free all the other slaves at the same time, than to break out, then go back, and break out again.
So you are saying THIS scene is AFTER he freed the slaves. right?
Look at him
Is he anywhere wounden? Where are all the other fishmanslaves who would all gone back to fishman Island. At that moment no one knows that something happen but everyone WOULD have known because such a news would travel faster than anythingIt seems he came back after he freed himself. Wears that T-Shirt to hide that slave mark. After the talk with Neptune where he asks for his help but got declined he decides to raid the city himself. He climbs up the RedLine because there is NO other way for a fishman to go to the city incognito and the defense there would be loose because no one expects someone climbing the red line. He frees some slaves in secret. Then raises hell and flees with other fishman in the chaos. Everyone at fishman Islands hears about it. Jinbei,Arlong and others decide to join him and the leave fishman Island
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@RobbyBevard:
Then it will be as long as it should be. 100 chapter and a 10 chapter flashback is about what it SHOULD be, what was expected going in. There's worldbuilding and history to be revealed here, huge issues, and its been teased and built up for years. It SHOULD be the length of SKypiea, or Water 7. It shouldn't be the length of Drum, but that seems to be what its rushing torwards.
Hahahahaha, impossible, absolutely impossible.
This arc shouldn't be 100 chapter long, but I believe 50 to 70 is the apropiate lenght.
Look, don't be surprised if the death of Otohime had absolutely nothing to do with all this, because this what I believe, that she was killed for different circumstances.
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Honestly, I'm not sure we're ever going to see a two-year arc again (and I personally don't mind). The arcs since Skypiea:
Skypiea: 65 Chapters
Davy Back: 18 Chapters
Water 7: 52 Chapters
Enies Lobby: 55 Chapters (65 if you count the denouement)Water 7 and Enies Lobby were the same arc. Same villains, same problems among the crew, same villains, same flashbacks, same assistants, and they returned back to Water 7 after Enies Lobby. It was in two places, but it was the same arc. Hell, Long Long Ring even ties into it a bit. It was a 110+ chapter arc.
Sabaody: 23 Chapters
Amazon Lily: 9 Chapters (12 if some of the separation chapters are counted)
Impel Down: 24 Chapters
Marineford: 31 Chapters
Post-War: 18 ChaptersAgain. Seperate locations, but the same characters and story elements and plot points throughout. They even returned to Sabondy after it. I can see the argument being made there, but it was ALSO a 100 chapter story that took about 2 years to tell.
Fishman Island doesn't have to stay in the same section of city the entire time, but anything shorter than 50 chapters is a disservice to all the buildup and material and issues in play here.
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Ugh you all are fools. Oda already stated its his story and it isn't influenced by anyone. Is he like FT? I doubt it lol but seriously calm down people let Oda write his story. Though this chapter has me confused, I trust Oda will explain the plot holes
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I like to use the distinction of "sagas" and "arcs".
CP9 saga:
- Long Ring Long Island arc,
- Water Seven arc
- Enies Lobby arc,
- (aftermath)
Whitebeard War saga
- (debatably) Thriller Bark arc,
- Sabaody arc,
- Amazon Lily arc,
- Impel Down arc,
- Marineford arc,
- post-war arc
So Jaya is included in Skypiea, as well. In my mind the Skypiea portion of the story begins with that old galleon falling from the sky, and ends with the Merry dropping down to the blue sea again.
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A though just occur to me, if Neptune would help him then Tiger doesn't need to climb the Red Line. Neptune is the king of a country after all, he could have gone to MarieJois the normal way and sneak Tiger in as a servant or something. So without Neptune support Tiger only way up undetected until he get to MarieJois would be to climb the Red Line.
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Ugh you all are fools. Oda already stated its his story and it isn't influenced by anyone. Is he like FT? I doubt it lol but seriously calm down people let Oda write his story. Though this chapter has me confused, I trust Oda will explain the plot holes
I have no words for this post.
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Lenght by arcs:
Grand Line arc
-Prologe
-Vs Alvida
-Encounter with Zoro
-Vs Buggy
-Gaimon
-Vs Kuro
-Baratie
-Cocoyashi
-Logue TownBaroque Works arc
-Laboon
-Whisky Peak
-Little Garden
-Drum
-AlabastaSky island arc
-Sunken ship
-Jaya
-SkypieaDavy Back fight arc
Water 7 arc
-Water7
-Puffing Tom
-Enneas Lobby
-Back to Water 7Thriller Bark arc
Duval arc
New era arc
-Sabaody
-Amazon Lily
-Impel Down
-Marineford
-Back to Amazon Lily and other places
-Back to SabaodyThe first arc lasted 100 exact chapters, the second was 117, the third was 85, Water 7 was 119, and Sabaody was 103
FI arc should be something close to the first arc, or Sabaody arc.
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@RobbyBevard:
Water 7 and Enies Lobby were the same arc. Same villains, same problems among the crew, same villains, same flashbacks, same assistants, and they returned back to Water 7 after Enies Lobby. It was in two places, but it was the same arc. Hell, Long Long Ring even ties into it a bit. It was a 110+ chapter arc.
I think this is the only arc where it's fair to make this claim, since it is all be very easily described as the "Robin Arc" (which includes the tail-end of Davy Back). Don't think it's nearly as fair to make that claim for the so-called "East Blue" and "Baroque Works" arcs, which were loosely-connected but pretty damned thematically varied. Skypiea, in turn, is the only arc I see that is self-contained in one location that lasts longer than 60 issues; then again, Jaya can be stapled onto that, which gives it another 15 or so.
Again. Seperate locations, but the same characters and story elements and plot points throughout. They even returned to Sabondy after it. I can see the argument being made there, but it was ALSO a 100 chapter story that took about 2 years to tell.
Think this is a harder claim to make. Sabaody and Amazon Lily, at least, were pretty separate from the rest of the material. Impel Down and Marineford could be combined, but there's a pretty sharp narrative/tonal difference between the two, and the same goes for the Post-War material.
Fishman Island doesn't have to stay in the same section of city the entire time, but anything shorter than 50 chapters is a disservice to all the buildup and material and issues in play here.
Well, if you cut out the lead-up to the Island itself, we've only been here for 14 issues. I personally think it's just going to be a relatively short arc compared to expectations, but there's a solid chance that he's just warming up. I think your best hope is looking back at the Water 7, which I'm currently re-reading. Though it became my favorite arc, the narrative is seriously jumbled in between their entry and Franky's flashback. It worked out eventually there because of the significant expansion of the storyline later on in the arc, so there's hope.
Then again, I'm still rather enjoying Fishman Island as is, so I might just be too content with anything One Piece-related.
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I like to use the distinction of "sagas" and "arcs".
CP9 saga:
- Long Ring Long Island arc,
- Water Seven arc
- Enies Lobby arc,
- (aftermath)
Whitebeard War saga
- (debatably) Thriller Bark arc,
- Sabaody arc,
- Amazon Lily arc,
- Impel Down arc,
- Marineford arc,
- post-war arc
So Jaya is included in Skypiea, as well. In my mind the Skypiea portion of the story begins with that old galleon falling from the sky, and ends with the Merry dropping down to the blue sea again.
Fair. Problem is, don't see how Fishman's going to be part of a larger saga unless Big Mam or Mariejoa gets involved. It's a halfway point, so don't think too much of it's going to carry through to the New World.
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I think FI arc may become my favorite arc. There's a lot to cover, from the conflict between humans and fishmen to Vander Decken and the murder of the queen as well as many other issues.
Remember we have two major villians in this arc. Not one, TWO! There's no way this arc won't go past the 50 mark.
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Really? Your favorite? And Hodi and Decken are severely underwhelming as villains. Zoro beat Hodi, in one slash, underwater. He's a wimp.
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_"Once and for all, people: Tiger freed himself, returned to Fishman Island, where he met Arlong and Jinbe, and went to talk to the king.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/58373218/15_ See they talking how Tiger went on a "long" journey "this time"? See Tiger talking about going to meet the king? Tiger had just escaped and returned to Fishman Island. Then he goes and talks to the king: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/35896723/4 He's obviously asking the king to support him on his attack. The king refuses. (Also, notice that in this same page we see the king finding out what Tiger did and remembering his prior meeting with Tiger. It's obvious that Tiger meeting the king happened _before the news of the attack came out. Why would Tiger ask for help if he had already attacked Marijois?)
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/35896723/5_ And here we see Otohime saying how they couldn't stop him "that day". And now in this chapter, Tiger confirms he was a escaped slave, and we see minor flashbacks to his return to FI and his meeting with the king. It's obvious that Tiger returned to FI after escaping, asked the king to help him, and THEN returned to Marijois to kick ass and save some slaves."
Yes, This is most definitely the case. If you go back to Tiger's conversation with Neptune, you can even tell it is a flashback within a flashback thing. It isn't happening at the same time as the events of the previous panel where the fishmen are shouting he freed the slaves. Neptune hears the news then recalls his conversation with Tiger from after his return to FI, but before his raid on Mariejora.
Tiger returns and says he's been on a long journey. Obviously if he had already freed the slaves Arlong / Jimbei would have mentioned it. Then Tiger went and tried to recruit Neptune to his cause. Neptune refused and Tiger climbed the Red Line alone to free the slaves. He couldn't abandon those he left behind when he escaped.
Then news hits fishman Island that Tiger freed the slaves. Neptune hears the news and recalls his conversation with Tiger (this is indicated by the grey boarder and within the context of that chapter is the only thing that makes sense). Then Otohime says "on that day there was no way we could stop him? etc.
So yes Tiger was a slave. He escaped Mariejora and returned to Fishman Island where he told Arlong and Jimbei he had been on a long journey. He visited Neptune and asked for support in returning to free the slaves. Neptune refused so Tiger climbed the Red Line and freed the slaves. Hancock and her sisters amongst many others were freed. Tiger then formed the Pirates of the Sun and created the tattoo that hid the Hoof of the Celestial Dragons. Jimbei, Arlong, Hachi, Marco, etc. joined Tiger's crew when news broke out on Fishman Island. Neptune recalls the conversation he had with Tiger previous to the raid on Marijora and Otohime says there was nothing they could have done to stop him. She realizes they can no longer attend Reverie, but still preaches her message of peace with the humans. Tiger and the Pirates of the Sun go on a rampage until finding Koala. The villagers who gave Koala to Tiger also inform the Marines and tell the Marines where Koala's hometown is located. The Marines arrive at Koala's hometown first and talk to the villagers. They obviously threaten to take Koala back to Marijora as she is an escaped slave and still "property" of the Celestial Dragons. In exchange for setting Koala free, the villagers comply with allowing the Marines to ambush Tiger. Tiger is fatally wounded and killed, Arlong returns to the village and is captured by Borsalino.
So this may have already been stated, but I'm just trying to help clear things up lol.
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As for Hodi and Decken, I still don't think either is the true villain of the Fishman Island arc. I don't think it's Aladdin either. So...still waiting.
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Problem is, don't see how Fishman's going to be part of a larger saga unless Big Mam or Mariejoa gets involved. It's a halfway point, so don't think too much of it's going to carry through to the New World.
Yeah, I feel the same way. It should be an extensive, but mostly self-contained arc; it's FI itself, its inhabitants and history and struggles that we care about. People have speculated about Mariejois but it feels too early to go there. At this rate I'm worried that Oda is actually trying to make it into the epic arc it should be but still cram it into considerably fewer chapters than previous "epic" arcs (Alabasta, Skypiea, EL). And I'm not sure how well it's working. The characters and set-up and key moments and everything is still really good, but it just feels hurried and the moments end up less effective because there's not enough build-up to them.
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Fair. Problem is, don't see how Fishman's going to be part of a larger saga unless Big Mam or Mariejoa gets involved. It's a halfway point, so don't think too much of it's going to carry through to the New World.We never can see it - What comes after FI is anyones guess - it could lead into something else or the next saga could be anything at all.
If I was to hazard a guess the Next Saga will deal with Big Mam and this story is the lead into that. -
Beyond the rest of the Arlong / Jimbei story there is still obviously the backstory to Otohime, Decken, and Shirahoshi. One thing we can't forget though, is the fact that the Fishman tried to migrate to the surface before…the whole Poneglyph thing will likely tie in. There's even more going on behind the scenes. I wonder if it will tie in to Vander Decken I?
There already hints of how Fishman Island is going to tie in to the larger story....just like Skypiea (though some people still don't see that). Any island that has a Poneglyph is likely VERY important as they are connected to the ancient civilization and the True History. Shandora, Alabasta, Fishman Island, etc.
There is more history to the Flying Dutchman and the Vander Decken bloodline as well imo. I still don't think Vander Decken IX is the true villain....however, I think he will tie in to the real villain of the arc and the deeper story of what's been going on for the past few centuries involving the Fishmen....and the ark that later became the Noah district, etc.
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Guys, stop now. The arc doesn't feel rushed nor it feels dragged. I've been reading One Piece for 6 years already, and never felt anything like this.
Agreed. There is no justification for the amount of bitching going on. This arc isn't missing anything besides a map, and we might even get that from Jimbei when the Strawhats launch a counter attack on the New Fishman Pirates (they'll have to find the lieutenants somehow, right?). The flashback has been great so far and we've gotten some cool revelations and interesting info. Anyone expecting a full on slugfest in a flashback is pretty dense. And exactly what info is Oda skimping on? The only thing we haven't seen in reguard's to Oda's foreshadowing is the Fishman Karate dojo. We're even getting new and unexpected info on how Arlong came to East Blue.
Anyways, I really liked how Oda told the story of Koala reuniting with her mother without words. It was a really nice deviation from the usual reunion stories. And it looks like Macro's gang reverts back to being cruel after witnessing Tigers death.
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Agreed. There is no justification for the amount of bitching going on.
I don't feel particularly rushed, and I rather like FI, but this has been the most confused I've been regarding the timeline for a long time. This flashback is not his best work in terms of narrative.
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I already miss Fisher Tiger. I wanted MOOOOOOOREEE!!
Still, shit just complicated, didn't it? And who knows how much Kizaru made things worse. -
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Really? Your favorite? And Hodi and Decken are severely underwhelming as villains. Zoro beat Hodi, in one slash, underwater. He's a wimp.
It's not because of the villians. But let me tell you I see Vander Decken as a bigger threat than Hodi Jones because of his devil fruit power.
But in general it's because this arc has so many things to offer: the improvements of the strawhats, Madam SHirley's premonition, the death of the queen, Decken's grandfather, the Flying Dutchmen, Shirahoshi's tragic past and her possible growth, the Sunlight Tree Eve, the battle with Hodi's henchmen, the candy factory, Big Mom, the destruction of Fishman Island, how they are going to solve the conflict between the two races, etc.
So many things to offer, so many chapters for them to be covered… this arc won't end before getting past the 50 chapter mark.