Sanji wasn't seeing her. Isn't this clear. Chopper tried to stop him of turning
Chapter 617: "The Shocking Incident at Coral Hill" Discussion
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sure she's behind him. I am just wondering why he's asking if something is behind HER, instead of immediately turning around by the mention of her name. it sounds like he already caught a glimpse and just didn't care. XD which may be unbelievable .. but who knows.
well well hodi is one fine bastard, eh? hopefully he'll be giving us a damn good match, whoever he'll fight in the end. I'm not too sure that thing with zoro is the final setup … but I could be mistaken, of course.
I understand what your asking. Either Sanji saw her and does not care which is unlikely or Sanji said "is there something behind ME" which was accidentaly translated wrong. Sometimes when the words get really messed up by manga stream you gotta look to Aokiji or just use your best judgement.
I'm assuming it was a mistranlation and he did not see her.
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^Sanji blew air into Kuro-Obi's gills, he didn't bite them.
And shouldn't Sanji's line be "is there something behind ME?" otherwise it doesn't really make sense…Btw What's this "nakama" crap, why isn't it comrade/ally/something-not-japanese?
But yeah, Zoro is awesome, loved Brook's "never tasted arlong before, is it tasty?" lol, and eek Usopp has powerful joke-attacks! :wub: -
Another good Coverpage , Koshiro keeping Kuina up2date kinda touchy .
Damn he got old.
It really looks like this coverstory will be long and awesome.We learn some intresting stuff in this chapter.
First off all.., Hodi's reasons for joining the Kings army.Namis reaction is really intresting.., let's hope that she will overcome her fear and rock with some underwater electric action .., it's like the first time for nami having such a advantage against enemys, right?
Those two 'nakama' of Hodi saying "huh..is it over?" "yeah.he hasn't taken his pills yet."
I would like to know what exactly this could mean.Hodi sacrificing his own 'nakama'.., there is NO doubt in my mind that with that ..,there is just no way for him to become one of the strawhats , what a relief…i hope that will finally cut the "hodi for next nakama" crap.
Like others mentioned before.., Zoro vs Hodi will indeed be intresting ,especially because Zoro has such a disadvantage against him underwater , with limited air and only two swords.
I'm excited to see how our 'Mr.Disadvantage' will handle this situation.Luffy finding Hatchan deeply wounded , and he dont wanna say who did it to him to protect the stawhats , kinda ironic that VDD is flying Tao Pai Pai style towards the princess where Luffy , Sanji and Chopper are nearby.
At the moment it looks like VDD has to face those three all by himself if nobody else popsup. i wonder how he will get out of this situation , taking the princess as a hostage? Anyway im positive that luffy will get to know that VDD did that to Hatchan...and as we all know Luffy cant let it go when a nakama/friend got wounded..., the person responsable for that is toast , for sure. -
I understand what your asking. Either Sanji saw her and does not care which is unlikely or Sanji said "is there something behind ME" which was accidentaly translated wrong. Sometimes when the words get really messed up by manga stream you gotta look to Aokiji or just use your best judgement.
I'm assuming it was a mistranlation and he did not see her.
yeah I assumed that too, just waiting for aohige to clear it up. seriously, everything is possible. I'm not saying that it will happen, but it would be a lot funnier if sanji didn't care for her. after all that build up and "he'll die if he looses more blood", coz now you're expecting him to do so ^^ … expect the unexpected. haha
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When Hodi said he only joined Neptune's army for combat experience and the seahorse minister called him a bastard, it vaguely reminded me of the conversation between BB and Sengoku when BB said he only became a shichibukai so he could break into impel down. If you look for it, the minister and sengoku have similar expressions http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/67205412/4.
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So if Hodi is not a good guy, and if Jimbei asked not to fight him, maybe he is stronger than we thought ? Or maybe there is someone bigger behind him and defeating him would lead to confront that puppet master…
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Grand chapter.
Why did Mangastream have to go stupid and use nakama? -.-
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Jinbei is a pussy. Why did he triy to protect Hordy from an ass whooping
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The sword skill that Zoro used reminds me of Mihawk's epic slash thrown toward Whitebeard… damn Zoro looks so damn pro here.
Usopp's skill reminds me of a pokemon... lol
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Jinbei is a pussy. Why did he triy to protect Hordy from an ass whooping
I don't think it had to do with Jinbei protecting Hodi. I think Jinbei is trying to protect Luffy.
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Anybody else think Brook's joke was in bad taste? He knows about Nami's backstory with Arlong because of the Duval incident.
Then again, like this chapter, I'm not really sure what the translation/joke was meant to be so that could be it.
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I bet Jinbei could own Hordy and his people
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Zoro is the MAN!!!! Epicness 100%
Luffy hurry up 2 jinbei
Sanji take care of Van der Dicken
Overall Nice chapter but i thought it would be more action packed
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Those two 'nakama' of Hodi saying "huh..is it over?" "yeah.he hasn't taken his pills yet."
I would like to know what exactly this could mean.Think they were refering to that he settled for only ripping a hole in the wall. And were noting that if he had taken his rage pills his steroid fueled anger would've taken over and he would've gone on a rampage tearing up shit left and right. Atleast that's my take on it. Sorta makes you wonder if Hodi actualy was someone competent before becoming a junkie.
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I hate it when Nami's eyes go dartboard like that. She looks totally uncute.
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The sword skill that Zoro used reminds me of Mihawk's epic slash thrown toward Whitebeard… damn Zoro looks so damn pro here.
Usopp's skill reminds me of a pokemon... lol
I noticed that as well. Zoro seems totally confident in his skills. It seems that he is able to cut steel in a flash.
I had this theme playing when Zoro showed his epicness.vgDSJo8y9IA
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I totally don't understand the deal about mangastream using "nakama" instead of comrade/etc. I'm fine with it.
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I just looked at the raw. Sanji says "What? There's something behind?" (behind whom is not clear, but he probably means himself), and Chopper says "Don't look around!".
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I really hate the servers at my place: somehow Mangastream's pictures have a hard time coming in on them.
Weird cliffhanger…but things are really moving now: Zoro vs. Hodi, Nami running off...and Sanji...well, did he or didn't he?
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I thought they always wrote nakama instead of the english counterpart?
Never got the deal about that either but…
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Well, suprise, suprise: the Arlong clone turned out to be a prick. Thankfully, it popped the "Wiper of Fishman Island" idea down for good, but come on, the guy has a tattoo of a decapitated human on his person.
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I just looked at the raw. Sanji says "What? There's something behind?" (behind whom is not clear, but he probably means himself), and Chopper says "Don't look around!".
oh thanks! :) I guess it's clear now! :3 hihi better not turn around then sanji hihi
@Sonic:
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A thought on Sanji, maybe he doesn't/won't think the princess is hot because of how large she is?well there's always the chance that is brain just blocks reality to ensure survival. that's a common thing with trauma, the brain just surpresses the memory. .. like he totally forgot about kokoro. ^^''
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I totally don't understand the deal about mangastream using "nakama" instead of comrade/etc. I'm fine with it.
Because people then think the word has a special meaning and that it can't be translated.
@Sonic:
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A thought on Sanji, maybe he doesn't/won't think the princess is hot because of how large she is?All the more he can have fun with
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I am still positive that Hodi might show a redeeming side. I mean Hancock killed loads of people to satisfy herself and she was redeemable.
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And finally the link for download is up!
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Because people then think the word has a special meaning and that it can't be translated.
I was commenting on those that said it was an idiotic idea to keep it as "nakama". I prefer "nakama" by far.
And finally the link for download is up!
Yay, thanks a lot!
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Well they seem to be giving the Strawhats a handicap again. This is good since we don't want them to unleash their full power too early but still. I wouldn't mind seeing at least one of them go all out
It would be interesting to see Zoro's underwater fight. I am guessing Zori will cut the shit out of him until the air is finished or the steroids come into play. Then Nami and Usopp will cause a distraction postpone round two
However as fun as the fights are I would really love to see what Nico Robin is about to do. The others all have predictable ecnounters but with her it's a complete mystery. I wonder if she will find simply another weapon or if it's going to be a hint that will give them a destination once they are doen with Fish island
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Nami's expression when she heard about Arlong pissed me off. It reminded me of how she acted in the One piece movie with Shiki the golden lion. She should be over that stuff already, I hope she doesn't do anything unreasonable.
arlong's torture changed the course of her entire life and lasted ten years; it's only been 3 year since his defeat..
her forgiving hachi sort of shows that she's moving passed it, but it definitely should still affect her emotionally.
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Initial reaction from the title page… Hopefully this will end once and for all the theories that Kuina is actually Tashigi. I think Zoro's old master would know if the grave was empty as a ruse or not.
But man, Oda's really going to cover a lot of people... its kind of dificult to tell what the theme or requisites are since Luffy never met him, its NOT just Luffy's journey... People that have affected the Strawhats lives, I guess?
Interesting chapter, seeing Nami's reactions. Wonder where she ran too.
The flooding water making brook useless,as expected.
Zoro badassing all over the place, nice to see. Especially him ending negotiations and staying behind to do a freaking underwater battle.
And Hodi finally becoming a bit more credible as a villain. Nice. Putting Arlong to shame BEFORE the pills, strengthwise, and using one of his own men as a meat shies. (Old Krieg tactic...) Of course, Arlong would be a total wimp by current standards, so thats kind of expected.
And... is Sanji NOT having a reaction to the giant mermaid princess? He asked "is there something behind her?" so... maybe she's so big, his inner perv doesn't kick in?
Good chapter all in all.
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Great chapter!
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Poor Sanji, just can't enjoy himself, I wonder who's gonna free the mermaids? Either Luffy will while Sanji takes care of Decken? Or Sanji will go after the guy while Luffy fight Decken? Some one's gotta save those mermaids. Dang Shark, had to go make things worse for them, hopefully the Princess will actually be helpful and tell the people they were just helping her fulfill her wish. I just have this feeling that Zoro won't get to really fight Hodi, I just have that feeling. Over all a good chapter, can't wait for when Decken shows up.
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zoro taking center stage is very welcomed. i used to be a fan of his character, but he's been reduced to the wallflower who only gets a bit of dialogue when it's time to battle for way too long. i'm hoping separating him from the rest of the group like this gives him a chance for more character development as well as showing off some new techniques.
also, the water flooding in is a great example of how devil fruit users can be a hindrance.
i'm gonna guess sanji's being strong + being able to do BLUE WALK + not having a devil fruit to slow him down in underwater battles will probably be important later on as well. -
I think Sanji IS facing the princess. His gentlemanliness is stronger than his nosebleed weakness. if a beautiful girl is in danger he turns into bad ass mode.
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Why does kuina's dad look so old? Can two years really do that to a man?
He had a few wrinkles on his face the last time we saw him (when the kids in the dojo were trying to get him to teach them how to be pirates after hearing about Zoro in the news). It's also not unreasonable to assume that two years of wondering if Zoro was dead or not could have deepened those lines a little more. After all, Zoro's sort of like a son to him. I'm amused that sensei still has black hair though – he must dye it!
@RobbyBevard:
Initial reaction from the title page… Hopefully this will end once and for all the theories that Kuina is actually Tashigi. I think Zoro's old master would know if the grave was empty as a ruse or not.
Yes, and also will end those theories that sensei didn't love his daughter at all because he was disappointed that she wasn't a boy – and that she killed herself because of it.
He's brought her some flowers, the newspaper and her old practice sword -- and the phrase "keeping her up to date" implies that this isn't the first time that he's brought news of Zoro's adventures to her grave.
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I had problems with this chapter. I will not list them but they exist. (doesn't want to start a thread war or something) I really really REALLY want to read the next chapter. Things need to start happening.
Im really glad Zoro is getting a 1 on 1 with Hodi (back to good old 1 on 1 One piece)
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Kinda disappointed Zoro's technique could be so easily blocked. Wouldn't think a fodder fishman body would slow Zoro's attack down a bit but Oda had to make sure we understand Hodi is a prick.
this is pure speculation, but i'm under the impression that zoro's single sword attacks are on the lower tier of strength; basically, his strongest attacks are the ones where he's using three sword-style.
the tashigi is kuina speculation will never die until kuina's dead body is shown.
pell fucking exploded, had a gravestone, and somehow he lived on. -
… oh, and I've just noticed the wooden bucket behind sensei -- so he's cleaned Kuina's grave as well.
@Ao:
the tashigi is kuina speculation will never die until kuina's dead body is shown. pell fucking exploded, had a gravestone, and somehow he lived on.
It should have died with the 4Kids dub. If I'm remembering correctly, Oda already said in an SBS that Tashigi and Kuina are not the same person but that they just resemble each other. Time to dig through those old SBS and find it.
Back in a sec …
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luffy will fight jinbe..sanji will fight VDD..zoro obviously against hodi,,
luffy vs jinbe in some twist :p dunno why, maybe something w/ the message :)
i just cant see vdd or hodi the boss enemies of this arc. caribou should not be a problem, he's a rookie..though a logia one, luffy should not be fighting hard against a rookie.
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@Ao:
pell fucking exploded, had a gravestone, and somehow he lived on.
We never saw Pell caught in the explosion, we just saw the explosion.
Presumably he got high into the sky and threw the bomb seconds before it went off. So he just got hit by the impact and shockwave, rather than the full central force of the blast.
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Think they were refering to that he settled for only ripping a hole in the wall. And were noting that if he had taken his rage pills his steroid fueled anger would've taken over and he would've gone on a rampage tearing up shit left and right. Atleast that's my take on it. Sorta makes you wonder if Hodi actualy was someone competent before becoming a junkie.
That would explain it pretty well i had more or less the same take on it but wasnt to sure because the statement is kind of ambiguos.
@RobbyBevard:
But man, Oda's really going to cover a lot of people… its kind of dificult to tell what the theme or requisites are since Luffy never met him, its NOT just Luffy's journey... People that have affected the Strawhats lives, I guess?
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I've got the same guess and so far it makes the most sense.@Ao:
this is pure speculation, but i'm under the impression that zoro's single sword attacks are on the lower tier of strength; basically, his strongest attacks are the ones where he's using three sword-style.
i definitely agree on that.
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It is pretty obvious Oda is lying about Kuina and Tashigi's connection. It is a mistake for a writer to reveal the plot twists before people see it.
Damn Zoro has an handicap of:
-Time
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-Speed
-Strenght
-SwordsI think Hodi will fight Zoro with all his comerades. He is so cheap.
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Is it just me or is ussop looking super reliable, cant wait to see what other moves he has up he's sleeve.
And as for why zoros slashh didnt cut through the fishman is quite obvious the same reason daz bones didnt butcher zoro and mihawk didnt chop people in half that is not how oda symbolizes sword slash power that may well have cut through steel.
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It is pretty obvious Oda is lying about Kuina and Tashigi's connection. It is a mistake for a writer to reveal the plot twists before people see it.
Damn Zoro has an handicap of:
-Time
-Number
-Speed
-Strenght
-SwordsI think Hodi will fight Zoro with all his comerades. He is so cheap.
Oh, Zoro's handicaps….
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@Ao:
this is pure speculation, but i'm under the impression that zoro's single sword attacks are on the lower tier of strength; basically, his strongest attacks are the ones where he's using three sword-style.
the tashigi is kuina speculation will never die until kuina's dead body is shown.
pell fucking exploded, had a gravestone, and somehow he lived on.The Tashigi/Kuina speculation should have ended a year or 2 ago when Oda specifically said that they were not the same person or anything like that. It was in the American Shonen Jump I believe, he answered some decent questions from foreigners.
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fishmen aren't disadvantanged in the air at all
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Zoro is just badass in this chapter, holds his breath underwater and prepares to fight Hodi.
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… oh, and I've just noticed the wooden bucket behind sensei -- so he's cleaned Kuina's grave as well.
It should have died with the 4Kids dub. If I'm remembering correctly, Oda already said in an SBS that Tashigi and Kuina are not the same person but that they just resemble each other. Time to dig through those old SBS and find it.
Back in a sec ...
no need since i remember him saying it, anyway.
i'm not agreeing with the speculation, just saying that as long as oda deux exes people from the brink of death like he tends to do, the speculation won't die without him literally drawing kuina's dead body.lol, that's what i wish someone had requested as a cover story: zoro's sensei's former students dig up kuina's grave just to make sure after encountering a picture of tashigi..
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So we finally have a fully healed Zoro again, now the terrain is his handicap..nicely played Oda.
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I am still positive that Hodi might show a redeeming side. I mean Hancock killed loads of people to satisfy herself and she was redeemable.
And Helmeppo tried to do the same thing as well.
I'm just going to lay low for a couple of chapters and see what happens. :/