Those shadows were never explained.
The shadows before Sky island, was the shadows of the Sky island people being cast down. Didn't you notice they had wings and all?
They never explained why ships were disappearing around Thriller Bark, or what those shadows were.
I want to start collecting the english mangas published by Viz.
So my question is what is the difference between the volumes that have a shiny one piece logo & numbers and the normal op logo?
I noticed this when i went to check them out, can anyone tell me whats the meaning of this ? which ones should I collect ?
Thanks !!
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v50/c490/4.html
My mother.
No, seriously though, I honestly have no idea. Ever since the day Oda first revealed that to us, I've found myself interested in it ever since. In fact, I still look out for future references to it to this day.
wow. never seen that before.
was that scene manga-only?
cuz i was anime only up untill episode 460.)
This was shown in the anime as well.
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@Mr.:
I think he is stronger, at least in terms of physical combat ability. Luffy's DF is effective in that regard. If he can use CoA then Ace's intagibilty isn't a problem. We know that Jinbei and Ace were evenly matched, although Ace probably became stronger after that fight when he joined the WB pirates. But if we can get confirmation in this arc that Luffy is stronger than Jinbei then it is most likely that he is at least as strong as Ace. Even though he probably will get even stronger when traveling the NW, Luffy should at least be as strong as someone like Ace at this point.
I agree that, after this arc is finished, we should be able to place Luffy's point of power between the two at the moment, although if he really did become stronger than Jinbe by this time, I admit that that would be quite impressive. In all honesty, I believe that Jinbe is actually one of the stronger members of the Shichibukai, and the fact that he claimed to "of no use on land" and yet fought on equal ground with Ace without being submerged in water (although it's possible some water could've been present during the battle) is already a testament to his significant strength. Although, this is, once again, mostly speculation.
But yeah, it's probably more likely that Luffy should be around the power of Ace when the latter was still alive before the timeskip, but, technically, that would also mean he's more powerful than Vista, Thatch, Jozu, several other New World captains, and vice versa; that is, of course, unless either
a.) they too significantly grew in power after the timeskip (if we're comparing Luffy with their present states, that is)
b.) Ace wasn't necessarily deemed stronger than the commanders of lower rank in the first place
and/or
c.) the commanders aren't organized by their level of power
But yeah, then again, you never know…we should probably be able to compare through actual feats from the both of them by the time Luffy begins his fight with whomever he's matched up against.
He's definitely become immensely powerful, though, that's for sure; after two long years with the righthand man of the era's strongest being known to man, it shouldn't be too surprising if he did turn out to be stronger than Ace, in a way.
I know this is not about one piece but I couldnt find a place to ask it. What manga chapter is bleach on in the anime?
I know this is not about one piece but I couldnt find a place to ask it. What manga chapter is bleach on in the anime?
Lol, get your ass moving out of here.
c.) the commanders aren't organized by their level of power
I believe that this much was confirmed by Oda in SBS. Don't remember which… but it should be somewhere between volumes 57-60, of course. And in all honesty he probably pointed that out with regards to Ace specifically so that people wouldn't assume that he was 2nd strongest because of his position, as it certainly appeared as if Jozu and Vista, despite being ranked "lower" (quotation marks because Oda also confirmed that the number does not in any way dictate actual rank), were stronger than him.
Only commander i think that was shown to be stronger than the others was Marco, who we assume to control of the Whitebeard crew.
I know this is not about one piece but I couldnt find a place to ask it. What manga chapter is bleach on in the anime?
I don't watch, so couldn't answer anyway, but I'd think the place to go would be the one liner questions in the help section, since there appears not to be a Bleach thread anymore, for whatever reason.
The Bleach thread is just named Felch right now. http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=29130
I know that this is going to rupture a plothole but how come Ace was surprised that BB was able to hit him when he's been hit by Garp, Whitebeard and Jinbei?
Also how does a supernova get a high bounty without defeating a shichibukai or storming a government facility?
@Mr.:
I know that this is going to rupture a plothole but how come Ace was surprised that BB was able to hit him when he's been hit by Whitebeard and Jinbei?
Because BB's fruit permit you to cancel the fruits, so Logias aren't intangibles.
With haki, water or whatever you can hit the logias, but they still are intangibles.
@Mr.:
I know that this is going to rupture a plothole but how come Ace was surprised that BB was able to hit him when he's been hit by Garp, Whitebeard and Jinbei?
It's been said that haki hurts the user even though they are their element. For example, Luffy is still rubber even though he gets hit by blunt attacks. Ace would be the same way. He'd still have a fiery body but he can get hurt by attacks.
Blackbeard's fruit is special in that he seems to nullify the powers of the fruit, so they are left with a normal human body.
Also how does a supernova get a high bounty without defeating a shichibukai or storming a government facility?
Kidd and Killer got theirs by creating many civilian casualties on their journey.
We don't know how the rest of them got their bounty so how they got them is spectulative.
@Mr.:
I know that this is going to rupture a plothole but how come Ace was surprised that BB was able to hit him when he's been hit by Garp, Whitebeard and Jinbei?
Also how does a supernova get a high bounty without defeating a shichibukai or storming a government facility?
I don't recall him being surprised that BB could hit him, but rather the means by which he used to do so. It was BB's darkness power that enabled him to hit Ace–not haki, thus the surprise. He'd never enountered a power other than haki that would allow that.
And did Jinbei actually get shown hitting Ace without throwing water on him or something first--I recall them being shown getting ready to battle, with indication that time was passing, but not details being shown of the battle though? Link please. My memory isn't that good. Thanks in advance.
As for the Supervovea getting high bounties, for the most part we were not told how they got their bounties, but the ones we were told about earned them through attacking and killing civilians or marines, thus showing their level of threat to the Gov't. There are many ways to earn a high bounty. Luffy and Co are generally not "evil" so they needed to earn it through other means--like declaring war on the WG for taking a nakama.
I guess I can accept that. I just wanted to put my mind at ease because I don't like inconsistencies. As for the supernovas I'm not really questioning their bounties out of skepticism, but I do hope we find out what each did to get their bounties. I imagine that the others have high bounties because they took their time causing mayhem and their bounties accumulated. They each probably had a high starter bounty before arriving on the GL too. While Luffy breezed through EB and got a 30 million bounty, i'm sure that some already had a couple bounty raises before going to the GL.
@I:
I don't recall him being surprised that BB could hit him, but rather the means by which he used to do so. It was BB's darkness power that enabled him to hit Ace–not haki, thus the surprise. He'd never enountered a power other than haki that would allow that.
And did Jinbei actually get shown hitting Ace without throwing water on him or something first--I recall them being shown getting ready to battle, with indication that time was passing, but not details being shown of the battle though? Link please. My memory isn't that good. Thanks in advance.
As for the Supervovea getting high bounties, for the most part we were not told how they got their bounties, but the ones we were told about earned them through attacking and killing civilians or marines, thus showing their level of threat to the Gov't. There are many ways to earn a high bounty. Luffy and Co are generally not "evil" so they needed to earn it through other means--like declaring war on the WG for taking a nakama.
We didn't see the Jinbe vs. Ace fight, and it did take place near a Forrest, however the Moby Dick surfaced onto the land, so it must have taken place close to the water. While I'd think Jinbe would know COA he could have just been using water.
I think how exactly bounties are earned can vary a lot. To speculate on some of the Supernovas:
Luffy - we know how, by beating Crocodile & Lucci, declaring war on the WG and destroying Enies Lobby.
Kidd - most likely by being excessively violent and killing many civilians, as that's what we were told.
Drake - he is a former Marine officer, quite a high-ranking one. I can imagine that he got his bounty because 1) the Marines already knew how strong he was, and knew that the bounty had to reflect that and 2) deserting the Marines makes them look rather bad.
Law - he is "infamous for his cruelty". Now that's probably an exaggerated rumor with what we know of Law, but I can imagine that it has to do with his DF power, and if rumors got out of a pirate who cut his victims into pieces and re-attached their limbs in funny ways and even to other objects… his bounty would probably be pretty high.
Bonney - she was apparently once a captive of the government and very important to them, if Akainu's words is any indicator. That alone could likely have gotten her a high bounty.
All guesswork, of course, but I can imagine that these things were a factor for these particular pirates. Some may just have gotten it in a more "traditional" way, i.e. traveling through the Grand Line while beating other pirates with bounties, thus naturally earning them a higher one than the person they defeated, or high-ranking Marine captains, as well as pillaging and murdering and whatnot. And of course these things will have been a factor for most pirates out there, since the SHs are one of fairly few (I imagine) crews that don't do anything of that sort.
I was thinking, what if Hawkins used voodoo dolls of high ranking marines to transfer the damage that was inflicted on him? That would be convenient, no? That would earn quite a high bounty. I'd like to know how he makes these dolls. I wonder if he has to touch the person or if the dolls are just random.
Also the Yami Yami v Haki contrast makes sense. If Vista and Marco weren't able to inflict real damage on Akainu then it might be that CoA isn't something you just have and it needs to be really strong to effect logias, especially admirals who might have a way of defending themselves from Haki attacks. BB found the easy way to make logias 100% tangible rather than training his CoA to that point.
Indeed, that ability of his could also help earn his bounty. I'm really curious as to how he makes them, as well… there's potential there for his ability to be senselessly overpowered, though, so I'm going to guess that he can't put them on just anyone. Maybe it takes a lot of preparation, somehow. I'm curious about his ability in general, as a matter of fact, I really wonder what that scarecrow-like form was. With the revelation that Oda doesn't limit Mythological Zoan to just animals... I wonder if there any "mythical" figure that resembles a scarecrow? That would make the dolls (and perhaps foresight) a secondary ability of it, like Marco's regeneration. I suppose it's most likely to be Paramecia "Voodoo-Voodoo" fruit or some such, though.
Well Sengoku's DF opened of the realm of deities as a DF. Maybe Hawkins ate the Hito Hito no mi: model scarecrow god. Or it could just be a paramecia.
Something like that would be really cool and enormously hype him up as (I'm guessing, anyway, I feel as if Oda foreshadowed it) one of the future really big-name pirates. But yeah, Paramecia is probably more likely. The M. Zoan fruits are supposed to be so rare that I think Oda will probably save them for extremely high-profile people, like maybe an Emperor and one of the Gorousei.
I doubt a M. Zoan in the Supernovas on account of an A. Zoan being among them already.
How does Drake being an ancient zoro negate the possibility of Hawkins being a mythical zoan? His strawman transformation is not unlike a zoan. There certainly haven't been any paramecia's like him either.
I doubt a M. Zoan in the Supernovas on account of an A. Zoan being among them already.
There are at least 7 paramecias in the group, whats your point?
@Mr.:
How does Drake being an ancient zoro negate the possibility of Hawkins being a mythical zoan? His strawman transformation is not unlike a zoan. There certainly haven't been any paramecia's like him either.
strawmen generally are not considered as animal forms are they?
and mythical doesnt really mean you neglect the ANIMAL part of being a zoan.
phoenix although a myth was a bird. drake's anicient zoan was too.
strawmen generally are not considered as animal forms are they?
and mythical doesnt really mean you neglect the ANIMAL part of being a zoan.
phoenix although a myth was a bird. drake's anicient zoan was too.
Sengoku's DF is zoan.
@Mr.:
Sengoku's DF is zoan.
Yeah but "Buddha" makes sense, and even in the west we understand it. What the hell is a scarecrow god?
@Mr.:
How does Drake being an ancient zoro negate the possibility of Hawkins being a mythical zoan? His strawman transformation is not unlike a zoan. There certainly haven't been any paramecia's like him either.
ahahahahahahahaha
A scarecrow is an inanimate object and not an animal/creature/species in any sort of way, which is pretty much the standard condition for any Zoan.
He's a Paramecia, deal with it.
He is the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz!
strawmen generally are not considered as animal forms are they?
and mythical doesnt really mean you neglect the ANIMAL part of being a zoan.
phoenix although a myth was a bird. drake's anicient zoan was too.
Buddha's are not animals either that is why it's a mythical zoan
He is the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz!
Yep it's a pretty popular movie alot of people have watched and Oda does research other movies for his such as Addams family for thrillar bark.
Yep it's a pretty popular movie alot of people have watched and Oda does research other movies for his such as Addams family for thrillar bark.
… I was joking...
Originally Posted by Norisuke Higashikata IV
"Your stand is like your asshole. You can't go around showing it off to other people."
do you think we'll see cp9 again???
of course, like all the people who have had coverstories.
A scarecrow is an inanimate object and not an animal/creature/species in any sort of way, which is pretty much the standard condition for any Zoan.
He's a Paramecia, deal with it.
Sengoku's fruit is Model Daibutsu (the statue) i.e. an innanimate object. The only time I've seen a Daibutsu animated is during Gantz and that doesn't really count :P
@JERK:
ahahahahahahahaha
Oh jerk….you're entertaining at times, but people who have no valuable input to retort with shouldn't laugh.
I won't even brag or boast when it's confirmed. I'll just let it go since I'm so above saying "I told you so".
is there a thread to talk about the use of support characters through the series???
or maybe a section in the manga/anime one to talk about this subject with a wider scope, like which series are good at using them, which neglect them and which give them to much time
I'd make one if I could but I can't
Is One Piece on break for issue 14? It isn't listed with the rest of the manga for issue 14 on the WSJ website. Is a break always announced at the end of the previous chapter?
Sengoku's fruit is Model Daibutsu (the statue) i.e. an innanimate object. The only time I've seen a Daibutsu animated is during Gantz and that doesn't really count :P
You know your point isn't so bad, however, you have to take into account that we are talking about Mythical Zoans here. A Buddha is an omnipresent deity and godly being, whereas a scarecrow always was and will be just a scarecrow. I'm sure even the peasants back then weren't superstitious enough to think they're alive.
I'd like to think of Hawkins as strawman just like Luffy is a rubberman, i.e. a Paramecia type.
Sengoku can't transform to "Buddha" himself since he's an "omnipresent deity and godly being" as Havoc said. So the best way to represent him would be a Daibutsu.
A scarecrow is a scarecrow.
…
Suddenly i feel like the dupont/d bros...
Sengoku can't transform to "Buddha" himself since he's an "omnipresent deity and godly being" as Havoc said. So the best way to represent him would be a Daibutsu.
A scarecrow is a scarecrow.
…
Suddenly i feel like the dupont/d bros...
I was talking more about symbolics, if he were a godly being he would have made Marineford explode. :ninja:
Just wanted to point out that there's a bit of a difference between an religious icon and a freaking scarecrow.
Better do your research. Early Japanese mythology represented scarecrows as the Kuebiko, or god of agriculture. Also, hawkins transformation is very much like a zoan. Luffy is always rubber whereas Hawkins has to transform into something that's not human. Think about it. Paramecia's either generate a substance/energy, or always are a solid substance. Hawkins is not always straw. To repeat, he has to transform into this monster.
It would make more sense if he was a Logia like Blackbeard.
@Mr.:
Think about it. Paramecia's either generate a substance/energy, or always are a solid substance. Hawkins is not always straw.
Jozu is not always diamond.
And transformation isn't Hawkins's only power, because he can also make some kind of voodoo dolls out of his body. That is pretty much a Paramecia type ability.
@Mr.:
Better do your research. Early Japanese mythology represented scarecrows as the Kuebiko, or god of agriculture. Also, hawkins transformation is very much like a zoan. Luffy is always rubber whereas Hawkins has to transform into something that's not human. Think about it. Paramecia's either generate a substance/energy, or always are a solid substance. Hawkins is not always straw. To repeat, he has to transform into this monster.
How about you do your research first and learn how Paramecia's work? Then you can come back spouting nonsense. :wassat:
Way to deflect from the fact that you know nothing about religious icons or mythological deities. I do know how paramecia's work btw.
And can Jozu change his shape? Can he become 3 times bigger? No. He can only turn into a diamond form of himself. How is he unlike Marco or Sengoku?
@Mr.:
Oh jerk….you're entertaining at times, but people who have no valuable input to retort with shouldn't laugh.
I won't even brag or boast when it's confirmed. I'll just let it go since I'm so above saying "I told you so".
ahahaha, it's never going to be confirmed you huge fucking idiot.
-He's shown a wide variety of uses for the power, such as genuine voodoo skills, which means he's not a Zoan straight off and any moron could tell this.
-You actually implied something about "WEVE NEVER SEEN A PARAMECIA LIKE THIS", this being in reference to the category of fruit that is little more then a catch all.
-You think Scarecrows are mythological creatures lollll
You suck!
@Mr.:
Way to deflect from the fact that you know nothing about religious icons or deities. I do know how paramecia's work.
And can Jozu change his shape? Can he become 3 times bigger? No. He can only turn into a diamond form of himself. How is he unlike Marco or Sengoku?
Said the idiot assigning Japanese crap to a voodoo character who behaves nothing like a Kuebiko.
You think Oda picked a mythological Japanese scarecrow thing that doesn't move and is responsible for agriculture, and decided to express this by having him being a moving straw monster that uses voodoo powers.
You're an idiot.
@Mr.:
And can Jozu change his shape? Can he become 3 times bigger? No. He can only turn into a diamond form of himself. How is he unlike Marco or Sengoku?
Had to mention it, because it seems that you have your own definitions for Paramecias:
@Mr.:
Paramecia's either generate a substance/energy, or always are a solid substance.
@JERK:
Said the idiot assigning Japanese crap to a voodoo character who behaves nothing like a Kuebiko.
You think Oda picked a mythological Japanese scarecrow thing that doesn't move and is responsible for agriculture, and decided to express this by having him being a moving straw monster that uses voodoo powers.
You're an idiot.
sigh
I don't mind the lame and unfounded insults. Even if the people are unanimously against this concept doesn't mean I'm wrong.
-sengoku has a wide variety of uses for his power as well. So does marco. When you're a mythical zoan you can pretty much do all kinds of shit. and as I proved before scarecrows represented deities in mythology, just as the Daibutsu does. The added "you suck" just shows me your insecurity regarding your claim because I've posed an interesting point and you can't stand the possibility of being wrong after so vehemently asserting that I'm a moron and you know everything about everything.
Had to mention it, because it seems that you have your own definitions for Paramecias:
I was referring to Hawkins and not Jozu.
I doubt Japanese scarecrows have nails in their hands (or are related to voodoo dolls). And Hawkins has named his transformation as Goma no So (which means nothing like scarecrow), and that's not something what Zoan users do. Neither Marco nor Sengoku says anything when they transform. Only exception is Chopper, and that's only when he uses his all forms.
@Mr.:
sigh
I don't mind the lame and unfounded insults. Even if the people are unanimously against this concept doesn't mean I'm wrong.
A more fascinating and mysterious thing to theorize about is how in hell someone like you ever gained a sense of unwarranted condescension.
-sengoku has a wide variety of uses for his power as well. So does marco. When you're a mythical zoan you can pretty much do all kinds of shit.
Hmm…oh wait, those powers are tied to the mythical figure they turn into???
Whoa!!! It's almost like a Octopus Zoan having ink powers and is not randomly assigned to them as in the case of Hawkins powers!
Jesus christ, I'd be less hard on you if the gaping fucking holes in your theory were less massive.
and as I proved before scarecrows represented deities in mythology,
The japanese scarecrow you mentioned has nothing whatsoever to do with anything Hawkins does if you actually took the time to read about it. It's just one the many shinto kami spirits that inhabits a scarecrow and watches over crops.
Somehow in your mind this means it has powers of GRIS GRIS MON, I MAN NO HEAR ABOUT NO JAMAICA AN HAITI
The added "you suck" just shows me your insecurity regarding your claim because I've posed an interesting point and you can't stand the possibility of being wrong after so vehemently asserting that I'm a moron and you know everything about everything.
The added "The added "you suck" just shows me your insecurity regarding your claim because I've posed an interesting point and you can't stand the possibility of being wrong after so vehemently asserting that I'm a moron and you know everything about everything." just shows what a mealy mouthed irrelevant twerp you are who knows damn well I could give two texas shits about him, and that his argument is already deflating due to the ignoring of major points made. And will quickly devolve into either steadfastly ignoring those points, or masking his hilariously thin skin with strange pathetic psychological jabs.
