I don't know if this has been said…but isn't Van Der Dekken's ability crap if he can only have two targets at a time?If he never changes his "Princess Hand" target that means he can only target one person which means that he will fail against more than one opponent.
Chapter 615: "The Mato-Mato Curse" Discussion
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@Fire Fist:
Shura was killed on-screen by Wiper. Think what you want, but there's no way he survived a blow to the heart from a Reject Dial. It stopped Eneru's.
Also, Zoro did kill Siam on-screen. He even makes a comment to verify it when Butchie gets back up.
Shura, let along all the other priests were just knocked unconscious. []
None of them are dead, lolz
silly Fire Fist []
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Shura, let along all the other priests were just knocked unconscious. []
None of them are dead, lolz
silly Fire Fist [][/QUOTE]
No, all the others were knocked out (although Yama should have died too, considering Robin almost broke him in half and then threw him off a cliff), but you can't possibly think Shura is still alive. Again, the dude was hit in the chest with a Reject Dial. The Reject Dial killed Eneru and he brought himself back to life. If it killed Eneru, an equivalent of a 500 Million pirate, why in the world would an average fighter like Shura have lived from it?
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The same reason Pagaya survived a million volts.
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@Fire Fist:
No, all the others were knocked out (although Yama should have died too, considering Robin almost broke him in half and then threw him off a cliff), but you can't possibly think Shura is still alive. Again, the dude was hit in the chest with a Reject Dial. The Reject Dial killed Eneru and he brought himself back to life. If it killed Eneru, an equivalent of a 500 Million pirate, why in the world would an average fighter like Shura have lived from it?
because enel was not physically strong. Also, one piece is a fictional world, the physics doesn't match up everytime. otherwise most ppl wud be quite dead by now.
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The same reason Pagaya survived a million volts.
Yes, but unlike Papaya we haven't seen Shura surviving. We haven't seen Bellamy surviving either, so he's dead until we see him again (which probably won't happen).
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@I:
LOL His reputation and his actual personality as portrayed are different. I was thinking the writer was speaking about Zoro, not his rep. Was the quoted person talking about his reputation, or stating a fact about the character himself?
Reputation?
I don't know about you, but I was mostly basing my claim on the statements made by the Supernovas in SA, which they made in reaction to the dark intensity of Zoro's [incomplete] attack on Charloss, including a few other minor indications throughout the series.
Of course, I suppose you make a good point on separating his actual personality from the view the public has of him, but then how exactly would you describe his personality? Whether this is just speculation or not, I believe his persona is split into two, whereas his darker, more wild side is unleashed during particular assaults on opponents relatively weaker than him, in which he appears to enjoy the killing exercise (by "killing", I mean that in general, as "beating exercise" or "knocking-out exercise" just sounds retarded), while his more casual, relaxed, and/or serious demeanor is present during practically any other situation that happens to involve him.
Either way, though, the point of my post was just to emphasize the irony in how killing can be done by 'good people', although that doesn't make such an action any better than it would be when done by a maniacal psychopath.
That is, of course, unless you wanted to get really detailed, but that is not the case…or at least, I don't think it is...
because enel was not physically strong. Also, one piece is a fictional world, the physics doesn't match up everytime. otherwise most ppl wud be quite dead by now.
cough Usopp cough
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The same reason Pagaya survived a million volts.
You could survive a billion volts at 1 amp. Just because the voltage was high doesn't mean the amperage was.
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@Fire Fist:
No, all the others were knocked out (although Yama should have died too, considering Robin almost broke him in half and then threw him off a cliff), but you can't possibly think Shura is still alive. Again, the dude was hit in the chest with a Reject Dial. The Reject Dial killed Eneru and he brought himself back to life. If it killed Eneru, an equivalent of a 500 Million pirate, why in the world would an average fighter like Shura have lived from it?
Oh man, Eneru wasn't worth 500mio, because he has a good-pumpin heart, but because of his hax logia powers that only Luffy could resist and because of his cruelty and "god-complex" treating other people like $hit.
Discussion why or why not Luffy wasn't freeing anyone but Jinbe and Croc in Lvl 6? Well:
Luffy trusts his instincts. Maybe he somehow knew that sum of the Lvl 6 prisoners deserved to be locked up there. Also, it was Iva who "silenced" them by death wink. And Luffy listened to Iva, because Iva saved him and maybe because Dragon also trusts Iva, but that is far fetched.
Luffy only would have taken Jinbe outta the prison. He would have left Croc behind, but Iva told him to take him along because his abilities may have come in handy (and they came in handy!).
BTW I'm sure Croc was a girl as a rookie. Iva knew a weakness of him that upsetted Croc, he was seen only from behind during Roger's execution and Croc entitled himself with "Sir" when joining the shichibukai. If that is no sign for sex-complex then IDK what it is.
B2T
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POST #400!!!
sry 4 double-posting, but I couldn't resist.
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^ But it's unworthy of you. 400 should come naturally, like having a baby.
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I know. I'm already ashamed not following mother nature's laws.
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@I:
Yeah, but did he? They seemed to use the word "kill" a lot back then without really meaning it, and it was a much touted fact that noone, but noone died in OP until Ace, at least in the current time mode. (That didn't take into account any f/b deaths, including Bellemere etc)
Off to check if there's any proof one way or t'other.
The marines that attacked arlong park were killed i think,
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Talking about good vs evil? It's the same thing…
For E.G. Croc/all the villians wants to control the world [using pluton or whatever], Luffy wants to be the free-est man in the world. It's literally the same as doing what you want except from a difference approach. Although Luffy isn't greedy (lol, no pun intended), the end goal is still the same - world domination.
Theres no one good/bad guy. It's their personality and their approach to what they do that seperates them.
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The marines that attacked arlong park were killed i think,
nah, their ship just got broke and all the crew were sucked into a newly-created whirlpool.
not dead. lolz
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nah, their ship just got broke and all the crew were sucked into a newly-created whirlpool.
not dead. lolz
Or maybe they are ghost now!
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this is offtopic but i've been banned from a thread for "Trolling with Blackbeard" and i dont know WHEN this happened IF this happened and i didnt receive a message.
Most marines clearly die. IN the MF war arc marines died. pirates died. But its a WAR it was bound to happened
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nah, their ship just got broke and all the crew were sucked into a newly-created whirlpool.
not dead. lolz
Well they destroyed the ship and made the whirlpool (i remember hachi moving a rock to make it)
Then they drowned from the water a fitting death for humans going against fishman who can breath underwater to make themselfs look better than humans.They were never seen again if they had lived they would have went on the island for a round 2.
However the bad guys of the arc did this to show they were a threat to the good guys (Luffys crew)
This same arc we got a flashback of Arlong killing Nami's fake momThe reason all this no one dies in One piece started was because Oda let That bird zoan user from the Crocodile arc live.
however Vivis country might help Luffy in the war against the world govt so he might be used again in the future giving Oda a reason for letting him live. (remember Oda planned Brook being in the story and being connected to the whale at the start of the grand line and Ace dying before they were even in the story so he has his reasons for characters not dying.)
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Well they destroyed the ship and made the whirlpool (i remember hachi moving a rock to make it)
Then they drowned from the water a fitting death for humans going against fishman who can breath underwater to make themselfs look better than humans.They were never seen again if they had lived they would have went on the island for a round 2.
go on the island with what ship? ;)
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It is stated that Zoro killed the first Mr. 7
Where.
Volume/Chapter source please.I don't remember he ever has, and if it was in the English translation, there's a high possibility that it was a mistranslation.
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Where.
Volume/Chapter source please.Mr. 1: And you must be…
The swordsman who killed 100 people at Whisky Peak.
And on top of that...
The "Pirate Hunter" who killed Mr. 7
When B.W. invited him to join the company.
That's you, isn't it.Zoro: Ha.
Ahhh, that takes me back.
But it was your fault for rejecting my terms...!!Zoro: I told that scoutman...
"I'LL JOIN IF YOU MAKE ME THE BOSS".That's chapter 190.
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Whatever past the Straw Hat crew members have doesn't matter, does it :p ?
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Reputation?
I don't know about you, but I was mostly basing my claim on the statements made by the Supernovas in SA, which they made in reaction to the dark intensity of Zoro's [incomplete] attack on Charloss, including a few other minor indications throughout the series.
Of course, I suppose you make a good point on separating his actual personality from the view the public has of him, but then how exactly would you describe his personality? Whether this is just speculation or not, I believe his persona is split into two, whereas his darker, more wild side is unleashed during particular assaults on opponents relatively weaker than him, in which he appears to enjoy the killing exercise (by "killing", I mean that in general, as "beating exercise" or "knocking-out exercise" just sounds retarded), while his more casual, relaxed, and/or serious demeanor is present during practically any other situation that happens to involve him.
Either way, though, the point of my post was just to emphasize the irony in how killing can be done by 'good people', although that doesn't make such an action any better than it would be when done by a maniacal psychopath.
That is, of course, unless you wanted to get really detailed, but that is not the case…or at least, I don't think it is...
cough Usopp cough
See I don't think Zoro has ever actually acted bloodthristy in the manga. I may not be able to come up with the wrods today–not feeling well, and my brain is futzing out on me, but IMHO, he acts like a man driven to win every time, and to improve constantly. He always acts with complete conviction, but from what I've read, that comes from a Bushido idea that doing any less is disrespectful to both yourself and your opponent, and dishonors you and them, not bloodlust. I may have missed some points from your post--tired and need to lay down. Sorry.
And yes, I did want to get this detailed.
And nice one with the Usopp mention, LOL!
this is offtopic but i've been banned from a thread for "Trolling with Blackbeard" and i dont know WHEN this happened IF this happened and i didnt receive a message.
You're right, this is off-topic. Just PM a regular mod–not the sub mods--we're yellow--the others like Robby, Taboo, etc. Be polite, ask your question, and wait. If it's a misunderstanding, then I'm sure it will be fixed, if not, well, It may only be a temp ban anyway.
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Zoro can be seen as bloodthirsty by his opponents and outsiders, but do you actually expect that a swordsman could be seen otherwise?
I mean he cuts "stuff" so there is always blood involved when he fights someone..thats just natural, because his weapons are made to cause bloody injuries.:happy:
But as bloodthirsty are normally guys seen, who just fight anyone to see them suffer and to cut right trough them for their own plessure.
Zoro just fights when its necessary and by those who don
t deserve his full power\him slicing them\ he doesnr rly want to fight, he shows that he doesn
t want to make them suffer.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-344/page006.htmlBut he definitely shows that he is a real swordsman, because when he has to fight someone he gives all he has, and he is also aware that he has also the risk to bleed a lot by doing so.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-089/page010.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-195/page013.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-485/page019.html
Someone who challenges him in a swordfight, could become a prey for his animalistic way of fighting,(which could be considered bloodthirsty)
but its actually to expect that in a swordfight there will be a lot of blood and also in my opinion it`s just natural that a swordman has that kind of joy to fight while sacrificing his own body.But being bloodthirsty against those who are willing to fight him with all their power and being bloodthirsty in slicing uninvolved just for his own plessure is a massive difference.
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@Don:
Zoro can be seen as bloodthirsty by his opponents and outsiders, but do you actually expect that a swordsman could be seen otherwise?
I mean he cuts "stuff" so there is always blood involved when he fights someone..thats just natural, because his weapons are made to cause bloody injuries.:happy:
But as bloodthirsty are normally guys seen, who just fight anyone to see them suffer and to cut right trough them for their own plessure.
Zoro just fights when its necessary and by those who don
t deserve his full power\him slicing them\ he doesnr rly want to fight, he shows that he doesn
t want to make them suffer.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-344/page006.htmlBut he definitely shows that he is a real swordsman, because when he has to fight someone he gives all he has, and he is also aware that he has also the risk to bleed a lot by doing so.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-089/page010.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-195/page013.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-485/page019.html
Someone who challenges him in a swordfight, could become a prey for his animalistic way of fighting,(which could be considered bloodthirsty)
but its actually to expect that in a swordfight there will be a lot of blood and also in my opinion it`s just natural that a swordman has that kind of joy to fight while sacrificing his own body.But being bloodthirsty against those who are willing to fight him with all their power and being bloodthirsty in slicing uninvolved just for his own plessure is a massive difference.
Yay. This is what I was trying to say. Thank you Don. You've come to my rescue.
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Try to sleep a bit and come back when you`re refreshed.:happy:
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@Fire Fist:
No, all the others were knocked out (although Yama should have died too, considering Robin almost broke him in half and then threw him off a cliff), but you can't possibly think Shura is still alive. Again, the dude was hit in the chest with a Reject Dial. The Reject Dial killed Eneru and he brought himself back to life. If it killed Eneru, an equivalent of a 500 Million pirate, why in the world would an average fighter like Shura have lived from it?
Well the seastone also weakened Enel. I don't get how he could have been fine after that anyways. Sure, he was able to restart his heart but surely the rest of his body suffered injuries and from what I know logias sustain damage done to them when their bodies are solidified by either haki or seastone.
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the curse of mato mato is just a way to show us a haki's battle
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go on the island with what ship? ;)
Yes exactly the ship was sunk right near Arlong park so if they did not drown then they would be able to swim to nami's island where Arlong park is on for round 2.
It seems there was sharks in the water as well.
when they showed moomoo or however you spell his name the seacow underwater.the curse of mato mato is just a way to show us a haki's battle
cuz there is no way to beat it with out out mantraA Logia or Caribou or Zoro would kick his ass easy.
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the curse of mato mato is just a way to show us a haki's battle
cuz there is no way to beat it with out out mantraWell if you're really fast and dodge it a split second before the projectile hits a solid object behind you then that's another way.
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Decken already stated that there are many ways how to dodge his projectiles.
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@Mr.:
Well if you're really fast and dodge it a split second before the projectile hits a solid object behind you then that's another way.
but the prob is you don't know from where he hit you
then i think that whitout bousoshko haki it's real prob to beat vdd
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ités time for oda to show us the power of haki i mean in full battle
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@Don:
Decken already stated that there are many ways how to dodge his projectiles.
You just have to find those methods…so i don`t think he can only be defeated with Haki.if you can stop the motion or force or w/e physics word i'm looking for of the weapons, then they can't hurt. luffy's way of stopping vdd's atk on the princess was one way. i'm sure the houshaki palm force thingy thing that was done is another way. dodging isn't a method thou since they keep going until it hits the target.
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there is no simple way than mantra , then why search for another way
if vdd fight against luffy , there is no problem here
but if he fight with another one of the crew
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I guess that Deckens projectiles follow a certain rule how they track down their target.
Maybe heat of that specific body, maybe DNA,scent etc..
When you get to know how his DF works you will be able to block that the projectiles track you down..that will be the weakness of his DF.–
Mantra makes you able to hear the voice of people(their life strenght)..so projectiles who are going to hit you would be hard to spot with that method..(but sure not impossible)
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the curse of mato mato is just a way to show us a haki's battle
cuz there is no way to beat it with out out mantrawhat the hell? He just throws stuff at you nothing more. If the axe or whatever cant hurt you or you are able to block it its just fine…. You think zoro would have a problem with stopping axes or arrows ? he just cuts them and its over. Vdd is like an ussop who has 100% hit but thats all
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I'm pretty psyched up about how Oda will go about expanding on Deckens devil fruit power. I mean what've seen up til now is only the most basic application of his power, it's his gomu pistol. Yet i can't even begin to figure out how you can expand on the power to always hit your target. What is his equivilent to for instance mr.5's breeze breath bomb gonna be? What has Oda's warped mind cooked up for us this time.
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what the hell? He just throws stuff at you nothing more. If the axe or whatever cant hurt you or you are able to block it its just fine…. You think zoro would have a problem with stopping axes or arrows ? he just cuts them and its over. Vdd is like an ussop who has 100% hit but thats all
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you are dump or what
are ya see when he hit hacci from behind
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Yes, but unlike Papaya we haven't seen Shura surviving. We haven't seen Bellamy surviving either, so he's dead until we see him again (which probably won't happen).
We saw him being ridden by one of the Tenryuubuito. or however you spell that. I have a feeling luffy will eventually free him
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We saw him being ridden by one of the Tenryuubuito. or however you spell that. I have a feeling luffy will eventually free him
That was just a theory I came up with. Charlos was riding a guy who did look an awful lot like Bellamy, though.
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^ I doubt it was bellamy. If it was though then it would be ironic though kind of a cruel fate even for him. Sure he was a bastard but anyone in that situation deserves sympathy.
I don't know what's wrong with slaves, especially the ones that are pirates. I'd rather beat the crap out of a tenryubitto and die for it rather than be humiliated by letting them ride on me and abuse me. They don't know what it means to be a pirate.
If it was me I'd grab hold of one of them while my explosive collar was on and demand that someone deactivate it or else the hostage would die with me.
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@Mr.:
I doubt it was bellamy. If it was though then it would be ironic though kind of a cruel fate even for him. Sure he was a bastard but anyone in that situation deserves sympathy.
Bellamy or Jalmack or Stelly deserve the worst kind of cruel fate. :getlost:
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@Mr.:
I don't know what's wrong with slaves, especially the ones that are pirates. I'd rather beat the crap out of a tenryubitto and die for it rather than be humiliated by letting them ride on me and abuse me. They don't know what it means to be a pirate.
what :blink: .
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Hypothetically people. Hypothetically. Don't be dense. Or are you saying its stupid to hold onto your pride?
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Don't know about the other guy but I was attempting human comedy.
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@gotta<3OP:
You don't need to lock your daughter inside a Tower. There is plenty of room in that castle, why beeing alone in a tower, and only allowing people to stay for 5 minutes, so that her only company is a shark.
Of course Neptune is doing a great thing. Heck, if there was a sniper out side my mansion, I would put my daughter in a room separated from the rest of the house, otherwise the shots might damage my beautifull mansion.
If thats ok with you. I'm glad.
And this forum is fun. Peopl try to guess chopper life expectancy "You're an idiot".
People discuss if a character is 100% bad, when everybody knows no one is 100% bad, "The one who is trying to stop the discussion is an idiot". I <3 this.In a castle there are open windows, in the tower, there isn't.
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I am wondering if the projectiles Decken throws keep following their targets or if their is a time limit too it. If they keep following the subjects in question untill they hit their target than that would mean all the projectiles in the tower could come loose and attack her again now that she has left the tower.