@RobbyBevard:
One Piece aint got anything on Sazae-San in terms of longevity.
6,350 episodes and counting.
How long are each episode? Geezus christ! Not that I think it even matters.
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@RobbyBevard:
One Piece aint got anything on Sazae-San in terms of longevity.
6,350 episodes and counting.
This. That show is long as hell. I'm guessing it's probably the longest running animated series in history.
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Kuroyanagi did a bit in tonight's episode. I'm guessing it's when Akainu gives Whitebeard a second magmafisting, since the lines had the same sketchy effect as when Whitebeard destroyed Rons.
485's looking pretty good from the preview so far, so I hope that means Yokoyama got enough resources to make something above his usual standard.
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Yep, Kuroyanagi owned the episode. Scene starts from WB jumping and ends with the end of part 1. He also did parts of Marineford breaking down.
Really awesome work, Clears why his work in 481 was meh.
While next week indeed looks good, WTF is up with gear 2nd WB. lol
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He's simply…
...steaming mad.
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I know, but it looks off. lol
I'm curious about next week key animators. Nothing spectacular from the preview, though,
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He's simply…
...steaming mad.
! http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/csi-miami.jpg
Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
So! Any idea who did the fight scene between WB and Akainu? Especially Akainu's evading skills (roll over Akainu, roll over).
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@RobbyBevard:
Yes. We totally need the Django and Fullbody coverstory, now that they've been part of the marines for 400 episodes.
And we also need to see and meet Caimie for the first time, since she'll be coming up… two years ago.
The time for those has past. The missed easy opportunities for no apparent reason. And they're fast missing the window to do CP9's.
Wapol and Enel's cover stories are the only ones that have any reasonable non-timeline to adhere to, and we haven't gotten them yet, and aren't likely to. Especially with the time skip imminent.
The most blatant possible examples of Oda throwing them a bone and being ignored.
It's still possible for Wapol's, Enel's, CP9's, Gedatsu's, and even the "Where are they now" cover stories to be animated. Possible, but unfortunately not all that probable with Toei. They'll probably just jump right into the post-Time-Skip episodes.
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@RobbyBevard:
One Piece aint got anything on Sazae-San in terms of longevity.
6,350 episodes and counting.
And I thought Detective Conan was long.
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Next week is indeed look good… and that's not even the main scene!
so I hope the main scene will be done by Shida!:wub: -
Today's Precure episode had apparently some great action by Yoshihiko Umakoshi, Yuki Hayashi and Yousuke Kabashima.
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Are they any better than what we see in One Piece?
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Are they any better than what we see in One Piece?
They are big animators, better than anything you have seen in One Piece.
Toei only used them on some of the One Piece Movies. They don't bring them for the episodes for some reason.
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They are big animators, better than anything you have seen in One Piece.
Toei only used them on some of the One Piece Movies. They don't bring them for the episodes for some reason.
So, I need to see the episode then
I hate it when Toei does this…
Oh and Toriko's anime will be done by Toei too right? -
Yes^^, Murad the big animators you talking about, what they done on the episode?
I think noticed Inoue in the preview. -
I've been getting into reading up on Dragon Ball's animation lately figuring out which episodes had the best animators (Yamamuro Naoyoshi, Maeda Minoru,
, , Masunaga Keisuke, and other all-stars), so with a number of them also working on One Piece I figured I'd take a gander at how things work here. You guys seem to place a lot of emphasis on the animation supervisors for the episodes but they aren't always key animators for those episodes they supervise, meaning quality might not always be the same. I didn't see a list detailing the key animators in the first post, either. :( I'm interested in seeing whether Toei is still using numerous good key animators in one episode like they did with Dragon Ball or if all of the good key animators are sticking strickly to supervising the less experienced and talent key animators.She/Her
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Well, I can't speak for everyone, but the reason I put emphasis on the animation directors is that they're responsible for overseeing the whole animation affair and it's still a pretty good guideline of how the episode will look, since about 80% of it will be in their own art style or close to it. I just find it to be a pretty consistent and easy way to gauge what the art/animation quality will look like for each given episode.
And actually the animation director does do key animation like the others. Their names are always at the top of the key animation list that appears after the cast credits in the opening. Though only Tate, Nakatani, and Deguchi (if I'm remembering what MURAD said about the scene of Luffy running through the battlefield right before his Ambition burst correctly) seem to really have more flashy animation styles. I honestly haven't really paid much attention to have a good grasp on the animation directors' key animation abilities.
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As of late, I noticed that the key animators are doing what they like without restrictions, good and bad. Only in Tate and Ishizuka's episodes that I find it hard to tell who did what. But it's very easy with the rest of the Animation Directors.
Also, if the Animation Director is a great animator, then their episodes will look good since they usually do most of the key animation. But if the Animation Director have poor key animation skills like Inoue, then there episodes won't look good unless there are some great key animators.
Keisuke Masunaga worked on Dragonball? Nice. He is one of the great animators.
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Why Toei given to Dragonball all the good animators and One Piece gets shitty animators!?
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Nope! The one that gets great animators are PreCure…
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So Toei need to get fucking brain and put in One Piece good animators its the most popluar anime\manga in Japan.
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So Toei need to get fucking brain and put in One Piece good animators its the most popluar anime\manga in Japan.
The whole idea of One Piece having so much popularity, earning so much money, and yet not receiving better animation is kind of odd.
Especially if you think of how it's animated by one of Japan's "wealthiest" studios.
I have wondered what the One Piece anime would be like if it had been animated by a different studio.(Sunrise, Pierrot, Bones,etc…)
Studios which don't have as much money as Toei still animate their shows better. :wassat:
Even at that, One Piece isn't plagued with "shitty" animators.
Though it could use a better per-episode budget. :getlost:
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Well, you could look at Production IG's OVA from the mid-90s, for starters. Luffy and Nami looked a bit more typically ''anime-esque'', and the way Luffy's stretching moved and sounded was completely different.
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@TOEI:
The whole idea of One Piece having so much popularity, earning so much money, and yet not receiving better animation is kind of odd.
Especially if you think of how it's animated by one of Japan's "wealthiest" studios.
I have wondered what the One Piece anime would be like if it had been animated by a different studio.(Sunrise, Pierrot, Bones,etc…)
Studios which don't have as much money as Toei still animate their shows better. :wassat:
Even at that, One Piece isn't plagued with "shitty" animators.
Though it could use a better per-episode budget. :getlost:
I don't think it's that odd. I mean Toei Animation may have gotten so big because it's made so many hits while cutting costs. Plus it's a super long ongoing series it might be hard to top themselves. And perhaps Toei Animation that since people will watch it they don't need super quality.
Personally I'm satisfied with the animation, I'm not too picky.
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Toei have many in-house talented animators, but they just don't use them on One Piece for some reason other than the movies.
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are other shows that Toei animated really is better animated then One Piece?
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Not all of course, but Precure is the one that gets the best treatment. But I guess it's understandable since it earns them the most.
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@TOEI:
I have wondered what the One Piece anime would be like if it had been animated by a different studio.(Sunrise, Pierrot, Bones,etc…)
Probably canceled at this point.
One Piece by Bones would have 50 episodes and a stupid made up ending after Arlong. At least Toei is known for usually respecting the original manga as much as they can.The thing is that Toei knows how to deal with budget/time for a long running anime, better than anyone else.
Pretty Cure has a limited run per season, so they can plan their priorities better. Heck, for shorter shows they use to go all out - watch their Noitamina productions, Mononoke, for instance. It's a fantastic series. -
Keisuke Masunaga worked on Dragonball? Nice. He is one of the great animators.
Yup, he joined the rotation during the 170s. He did episode #179.
(up through Gokû blowing Cell's torso off, then it switches to Shimanuki with Kuda and Tate on key animation). The clips from Dragon Ball Kai so a few of the shots have been digitally traced over for whatever reason, so that's obviously no longer his work in it's original form (well, that and it's cropped), but his stuff is just plain genius. I would have loved to see him brought in for all of the big and important fights in One Piece (like Luffy v. Lucci, although I haven't checked the rotation for those episodes so maybe he did), but I guess Toei doesn't want to shell out the cash for him (with his talent I have to assume his talents are highly sought after).Just checked the list again, Tate did work on #309? Wow, his stuff blended in pretty well if I didn't notice until now. Very interesting, but Ishizuka is also listed so I have to assume he was supervising it then.
I know Wakabayashi Atsushi gets some flack for his animation style, but I'd kill for him to animate a big fight in One Piece.
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I think what most lay people such as myself hope and expect is for stuff to not look like trash.
(i.e., that Blackbeard crew spread at the end of 484, an otherwise immaculate episode was tarnished.)
Low budget or not, is that WHOLE staff seriously walking away from that feeling satisfied with how it looks? Especially vis-a-vis Oda's original?
I mean, REALLY?!
I speak for a lot of people when I say that all I want is for the trash to get taken out. But since I'm not a child and I'm not Japanese, my opinion is worth less to them.
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@Yuugi's:
Yup, he joined the rotation during the 170s. He did episode #179.
Masunaga is awesome indeed, he was always my favorite DB staffer. Even joining late at this arc, he was responsible for key episodes like 184 (SSJ2 Gohan) and 191 (Cell's death).
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Well, you could look at Production IG's OVA from the mid-90s, for starters. Luffy and Nami looked a bit more typically ''anime-esque'', and the way Luffy's stretching moved and sounded was completely different.
I watched it a while ago.
It was pretty nice.
I enjoyed that OVA's rubber sound effects…
it was something different.
@ firecrouch
I don't mean odd as if I can't imagine why.
I'm looking more at how they find it acceptable.
Yeah, sorry for bringing up Naruto.
The Naruto anime in total is almost as long as the One Piece anime, and it still doesn't use length as an excuse to cut back.
@ goty
I definitely see what you mean.
I really meant more the animation, but yeah.
Respect for the manga is one of the few things that I would ever praise Toei for.
I have an interest in Toei's older works.
Toei needs to act more remarkable than it does right now.
@ Calchexas
Interesting...
Eiichiro Oda intended for One Piece to be favored by people of all ages.
Oda respects the fact that Toei Animation needs to make edits once in a while to make the One Piece anime more child appropriate.
This however does not mean that One Piece is intended for only the young children.
That would be ridiculous believe.
Think as if it were "rated pg", meaning that it's adult but still alright for the younger audiences.
Oda is NOT Hayao Miyazaki.
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At least Toei is known for usually respecting the original manga as much as they can.
I agree, although I thought they did quite poorly on Air Gear with that…
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I'm still hoping the animation will be better after the timeskip, and don't say "you need to lower your standarts"
beacause the other long runing series have better animation and art than One Piece, and it's sucks.
I think One Piece became worse after the new anime director took One Piece, the director Hiroaki Miyamoto sucks.When you think will be new opening?
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I don't think we'll get a new opening until we hit chapter 598. Thematically, the current one is obviously intended for the Marineford and Post-Marineford arcs, so to kneecap it before then wouldn't make any sense to me.
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I think they will do new opening for the fillers because, marineford not fit fillers.
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I don't know. I think we'll be getting a new opening before that, maybe when the flashback ends. Toei doesn't care about spoilers at all.
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@Sean:
I don't know. I think we'll be getting a new opening before that, maybe when the flashback ends. Toei doesn't care about spoilers at all.
Really… but they don't show any spoilers!!, last opening what we saw only the powers of whitebeard crew and akainu.
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Haha, I remember that, that was quite facepalm-worthy…
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Whistles
Didn't look at the whole thing, but man you guys are picky ungrateful bastards. I have my complaints on the Anime, don't get me wrong, but are you guys really telling me that there are 89 pages of bitching towards the animation styles?
Sure, some scenes were done amazingly, and some scenes stick out like a soar thumb, but you can't blame them at all, in fact, it's actually a positive in my eyes, the "good" and the "bad" scenes.
Oh, but you guys are probably right… I mean, the animation style should be completely consistant and amazing all the time! I mean, Oda himself has always kept his art style completely the same through the whole series! ... For those that took me seriously need to go look at the earlier chapters then look at the chapters before the time skip...
Seriously guys, I know we're big fans here, and we can bitch and bitch about the animation style, but let's face it, what we get is what we get, and later, you can watch the series again, get out of the bitchy bitch mindset, and you might notice that those "horrible" scenes aren't that bad to look at when you're not being anal.
I speak out of experience actually, since I was also bitching about the animation when I was a bit younger, then I started rewatching the episodes with a friend recently, then got to some of the episodes I remember thinking were ugly, but once I got to it, I didn't mind it at all, considering now adays I have much more of an open mind, and appreciate things the way they are.
Now, before you keep bitching about the Anime, remember this... What brought you into One Piece? If it was a consistant artstyle that made you wow constantly, then I'm sorry, but I don't believe you... One Piece's artstyle is quite honestly, a very simple style, and if you saw most of the scenes outside of knowing the series, you'd think of it as a cartoony style, and would never be able to tell just how amazing the series is by first glance. Now... Is that a bad thing? Am I going against Oda for this? No, in fact, I almost praise him for choosing this simple style, for his simlpe style allows for many, many, MANY different faces, characters, objects, and an entire world with his style. Also remember this, he has created many lovable characters that most manga artists would probably reject due to them not looking "cool" or "sexy" or "badass". (You know, in a way, I consider Oda as the manga equivalent of the Disney movies where he has a simple art style but has cast of different faces, the emotions and imagination for a good story)
Now, you're going to reject the animation because you don't like how it looks? Then you aren't watching One Piece the way you should, with an open mind that's ready for anything, the happy, the sad, the amazing, and even the ugly, and you should only bitch at an animation company when they are going against the story.
That's my two cents anyway, take it or leave it, but that was a fun rant to type XD
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Whistles
Didn't look at the whole thing, but man you guys are picky ungrateful bastards. I have my complaints on the Anime, don't get me wrong, but are you guys really telling me that there are 89 pages of bitching towards the animation styles?
Sure, some scenes were done amazingly, and some scenes stick out like a soar thumb, but you can't blame them at all, in fact, it's actually a positive in my eyes, the "good" and the "bad" scenes.
Oh, but you guys are probably right… I mean, the animation style should be completely consistant and amazing all the time! I mean, Oda himself has always kept his art style completely the same through the whole series! ... For those that took me seriously need to go look at the earlier chapters then look at the chapters before the time skip...
Seriously guys, I know we're big fans here, and we can bitch and bitch about the animation style, but let's face it, what we get is what we get, and later, you can watch the series again, get out of the bitchy bitch mindset, and you might notice that those "horrible" scenes aren't that bad to look at when you're not being anal.
I speak out of experience actually, since I was also bitching about the animation when I was a bit younger, then I started rewatching the episodes with a friend recently, then got to some of the episodes I remember thinking were ugly, but once I got to it, I didn't mind it at all, considering now adays I have much more of an open mind, and appreciate things the way they are.
Now, before you keep bitching about the Anime, remember this... What brought you into One Piece? If it was a consistant artstyle that made you wow constantly, then I'm sorry, but I don't believe you... One Piece's artstyle is quite honestly, a very simple style, and if you saw most of the scenes outside of knowing the series, you'd think of it as a cartoony style, and would never be able to tell just how amazing the series is by first glance. Now... Is that a bad thing? Am I going against Oda for this? No, in fact, I almost praise him for choosing this simple style, for his simlpe style allows for many, many, MANY different faces, characters, objects, and an entire world with his style. Also remember this, he has created many lovable characters that most manga artists would probably reject due to them not looking "cool" or "sexy" or "badass". (You know, in a way, I consider Oda as the manga equivalent of the Disney movies where he has a simple art style but has cast of different faces, the emotions and imagination for a good story)
Now, you're going to reject the animation because you don't like how it looks? Then you aren't watching One Piece the way you should, with an open mind that's ready for anything, the happy, the sad, the amazing, and even the ugly, and you should only bitch at an animation company when they are going against the story.
That's my two cents anyway, take it or leave it, but that was a fun rant to type XD
What you've said has been said out of the mouths of several other users around here, actually, only theirs were mostly shorter, more often than not.
Whatever the case, I can see where you're coming from and what your point is. On the other hand, I tend to criticize the animation from time to time when I believe that it was terribly under-par or the moment in which involved it deserved far better "treatment", so to speak; however, I still enjoy watching OP nonetheless, because, either way, it's still probably one of the best shounen series out there, even with the 'higher quality' of animation that its competitors have, which makes its place in the anime media even more remarkable.
Still, a little bit of me wishes that, in a way, it would just be great for One Piece to be animated as fluently as certain other shows, but either way, it's still a comprehensibly satisfying experience at its worst. Besides, most people also have a distaste for such "flashy" animation, so it's probably for the best.
[[B]NOTE: And I agree with the point you made with the whole "sexy, badass, or cool-looking" character design thing wholeheartedly. Oda has learned to harness his own art style and develop it into something insanely brilliant. ;)]
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I'm in a mood to bitch, I usually get this when an important chapter gets butchered. But I guess I'm used to it by now.
lol, today should have looked like next week.
Meanwhile at HPrecure #49.
AD: Yoshihiko Umakoshi
KA: Yoshihiko Umakoshi, Sushio, Satoshi Ishino, Mitsuko Baba, …Toei:
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I'll just get my thoughts out now, I pretty much agree with the poster who said we've become "a little too nitpicky". But since a lot of people were foretelling the worse of the newest episode I can say that it was okay. It could have been handled awesomely under some of the better animation directors but it was still a decent episode and shows that Yokoyama is continuing to evolve as of late.
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I'll just get my thoughts out now, I pretty much agree with the poster who said we've become "a little too nitpicky".
Some people seem to compare manga and anime panel to panel these days, down to every single microscopic detail. Which gives them the impression that the anime used to be better before the change to widescreen, when it obviously wasn't. They watched to enjoy it, now they watch to compare.
Part of One Piece fanbase likes to think they're superior or whatever, but when it comes to the anime adaptation OP and Naruto have equally annoying and whining fanbases, i swear.
Sometimes i wish OP got a terrible, bloodless, upscaled and badly directed anime version where the voice actors yelled at the fuckin' time (Fairy Tail, i'm looking at you..). Now that would be hilarious.Regarding Yokoyama, he did improve a lot. His art still isn't flashy like other better AD's, but it's pretty faithful to Oda's and does its job done these days. At least i don't go "oh shit, Yokoyama" when i see his name anymore.
Now all we need to know is if he learnt to draw Zoro. -
I'm in a mood to bitch, I usually get this when an important chapter gets butchered. But I guess I'm used to it by now.
lol, today should have looked like next week.
Meanwhile at HPrecure #49.
AD: Yoshihiko Umakoshi
KA: Yoshihiko Umakoshi, Sushio, Satoshi Ishino, Mitsuko Baba, …Toei:
Does Toei love PreCure that much that they didn't even distribute some of the great animators for this awesome chapter?
While I think Yokoyama did a good job on this episode, I still want to see a great animation for at least one scene!
That's why I think Ishizuka should be doing this episode and give Yokoyama the next….
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I'm in a mood to bitch, I usually get this when an important chapter gets butchered. But I guess I'm used to it by now.
lol, today should have looked like next week.
Meanwhile at HPrecure #49.
AD: Yoshihiko Umakoshi
KA: Yoshihiko Umakoshi, Sushio, Satoshi Ishino, Mitsuko Baba, …Toei:
Fuck Toei, how ridiculous this can be!!!!!!!!! why whyyyyyyyy!! they not put them in One Piece.
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I'm starting to imagine you guys in a dark room at your computers seething, muttering ''Damn you Pretty Cure and your Yoshihiko Umakoshi and Yuki Hayashi and Ken Otsuka, etc.'' through clenched teeth week after week.
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Toei knows One Piece will sell no matter what animators they use, hence why they give their best animators to other shows. I do suspect, though, that once we hit #598+ we'll get a new set of animators added to the rotation, though.
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@Yuugi's:
Toei knows One Piece will sell no matter what animators they use, hence why they give their best animators to other shows. I do suspect, though, that once we hit #598+ we'll get a new set of animators added to the rotation, though.
Ah, I never thought of it that way, that certainly does make a lot of sense..
