Ok i know what you mean, Ace is not a bad guy so it would make him look evil and bad. But Akainu couldn't hurt Marco even with his magma attacks but Akainu was said to be able to use Busoshoku Haki.
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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Well Haki would certainly make Akainu tangible however Ace still would have to deal with the lava he emits from his body and by the word of god lava > fire. I don't think you can overcome such elemental differences by the use of Haki..it's like expecting Aokiji to freeze volcanos.
My theory is that every logia must have a natural enemy to not make their powers too broken. With Ace it was magma/lava (probably because a water logia doesn't exist), with Enel it was Luffy's natural immunity to lighting. I suspect Blackbeard's DF would be Kizaru's weakness. It makes sense if you think about it.
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So Ace cannot defeat Akainu even with Busoshoku Haki ?
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@ShenLong:
So Ace cannot defeat Akainu even with Busoshoku Haki ?
Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say.
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Well Haki would certainly make Akainu tangible however Ace still would have to deal with the lava he emits from his body and by the word of god lava > fire. I don't think you can overcome such elemental differences by the use of Haki..it's like expecting Aokiji to freeze volcanos.
My theory is that every logia must have a natural enemy to not make their powers too broken. With Ace it was magma/lava (probably because a water logia doesn't exist), with Enel it was Luffy's natural immunity to lighting. I suspect Blackbeard's DF would be Kizaru's weakness. It makes sense if you think about it.
Explain then how Shanks stopped the Blow that he was going to use on Coby?
By that argument the Sword would have melted regardless, I think Ace is being represented as too distracted to manage to do anything - He is shown to be protecting Luffy by using his body as a shield with his back to the blow.
I would imagine had he a more intimate knowledge of Haki and its uses he would have been facing the Admiral to block the attack. -
Explain then how Shanks stopped the Blow that he was going to use on Coby?
By that argument the Sword would have melted regardless, I think Ace is being represented as too distracted to manage to do anything - He is shown to be protecting Luffy by using his body as a shield with his back to the blow.
I would imagine had he a more intimate knowledge of Haki and its uses he would have been facing the Admiral to block the attack.What does this have to do with elemental advantages? Shanks was just using a sword induced with Haki. My point before was that one can not screw with the elemental order by using Haki to make fire stronger than lava.
When Shanks stopped Akainu the lava is still there. Why the sword does not melt is probably due to the use of Haki, but then again metal is a tad bit more fireproof than human flesh. I doubt Shanks could have just stopped him with his bare hands.
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What does this have to do with elemental advantages? Shanks was just using a sword induced with Haki. My point before was that one can not screw with the elemental order by using Haki to make fire stronger than lava.
Yes sorry if that is what you were referring to "No Haki could not make fire more powerful then Magma" Haki could have made him able to block the ability.
When Shanks stopped Akainu the lava is still there. Why the sword does not melt is probably due to the use of Haki, but then again metal is a tad bit more fireproof than human flesh. I doubt Shanks could have just stopped him with his bare hands.
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First shows that the Magma could have just slid around the sword - but no it stops the blow as if the magma was a solid fist with no damage to the sword and no splash or oozing of the magma.
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This one on the subject of opposing Logia users has Akainu shown in his magma form in the background - which means he is susceptible to being physically touched with Haki.
But how Armaments seems to work is you can infuse sections with it but not the whole body or I believe it is being referred to that way - this opens a HUGE plot hole if so as why could Luffy's 3rd Gear arm be covered but not his whole body. We'll need to wait and see more information on it I think - perhaps it will come when Luffy explains it to the crew. -
I suppose until we have more information none of our arguments can be taken for granted. Haki still needs a lot of explanation.
For example we know that it makes logia users tangible, but does it basically turn off their powers or just limit it? The first one doesn't make sense if Akainu can still maintain his lava fist..on the other hand its destructive power was diminished during its contact with Haki.
We will probably find out about it when Luffy fights the first logia with the use of Haki.
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I suppose until we have more information none of our arguments can be taken for granted. Haki still needs a lot of explanation.
For example we know that it makes logia users tangible, but does it basically turn off their powers or just limit it? The first one doesn't make sense if Akainu can still maintain his lava fist..on the other hand its destructive power was diminished during its contact with Haki.
We will probably find out about it when Luffy fights the first logia with the use of Haki.
I believe there is some truth to both our arguments - Shanks infused his weapon to block the blow - which shows that it may require an inanimate object to act as a say buffer.
But if the Logia is not 100% their representation then you can grab the still human part.
Which is why Whitebeard grabbed Akainu's head moreso then just to focus the damage there because it was still in human form. So Aokiji in complete ice form may not be able to be affected but in partial form he could. Same for Smoker, it all seems so bizarre to be honest and we don't yet have enough of the information to say one way or the other.I am leaning however towards being able to use CoA on the body to have an effect on Logia users in their DF form.
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yea, I suppose we cant figure everything out just yet…
Anyway i also got a few questions - Do you think that one devil fruit can incorporate 2 abilities? For example in lougetown dragon was able to originate lightening and was also responsible for the strong winds... So can there be a DF with no specific application like weather fruit? -
While I'm sure a Fruit can incorporate more than one ability, the abilities would be very similar or related by some common attribute.
And remember that we don't actually know if Dragon was responsible for anything that happened in Loguetown. It is heavily implied in the anime only. Not the source of all real knowledge, the manga.
I'd have used a lot more caps in the Dragon bit, but I haven't been here long enough to earn tat kind of power.
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Oda said in the last sbs:
"**Sengoku's fruit, Mythical Zoan- Hito Hito Model 'Daibutsu' or 'Big Buddha'. Note, it is not 'Buddha' but specifically 'Statue of Buddha'."what is hito hito,and whats daibutsu?**
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Hito is human. Remember the pun with Hito and Hitode (Sea star, starfish?) made by Pappag xD
Daibutsu is the japanese word for Buddha statues : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daibutsu
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What do you think happens 2 devil fruits after the owner dies? does it regrow somewhere or just not exist anymore?
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They do re-grow somwhere somehow, but there has been no precedence of this happening within the series as of yet.
At least to my knowledge.I am a proponent of the theory that the tree from which the fruit comes sprouts from the body of the the previous bearer, but again, there's no evidence this is what happens.
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I've always liked the idea that whatever energies/spirit/devil cause the DF powers are released into the world and eventually are drawn into another fruit of a particular kind. Mind you, I only like this idea because for some odd reason it's what I always pictured in my head before I actually sat down and thought about it. However it would explain why random people can get DF powers. For instance, if the Giraffe fruit was always manifested into a bunch of Bananas somewhere in the grand-line it would be quite possible for someone to accidentially eat them before it is recognised as a SF by the swirly things on it. It's a rather silly idea but I like to think of it this way.
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I've always liked the idea that whatever energies/spirit/devil cause the DF powers are released into the world and eventually are drawn into another fruit of a particular kind. Mind you, I only like this idea because for some odd reason it's what I always pictured in my head before I actually sat down and thought about it. However it would explain why random people can get DF powers. For instance, if the Giraffe fruit was always manifested into a bunch of Bananas somewhere in the grand-line it would be quite possible for someone to accidentially eat them before it is recognised as a SF by the swirly things on it. It's a rather silly idea but I like to think of it this way.
That's a good theory, I agree with it.
So it's like…A buncha bananas are on...a tree...and then the "devil giraffe energy" goes into them and the become a Devil Fruit!By that theory, is it possible that the Elephant sword or the Dog Gun was just a regular sword/gun and then the "Dog/Elephant Devil Energies" goes into them...?
So what I mean is...What if these "devil energies" can go into ANYTHING...? Then this would be cancelled out by the fact that we've only seen TWO inanimate objects have devil fruit powers...
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I suppose until we have more information none of our arguments can be taken for granted. Haki still needs a lot of explanation.
For example we know that it makes logia users tangible, but does it basically turn off their powers or just limit it? The first one doesn't make sense if Akainu can still maintain his lava fist..on the other hand its destructive power was diminished during its contact with Haki.
We will probably find out about it when Luffy fights the first logia with the use of Haki.
Haki just limit their intangibility, that's all; it doesn't "turn off" the DF. It's unknown if Shanks blocked Akainu's lava fist with CoA, but I wouldn't be surprised if he only used sheer force given how badass he is.
BB on the other hand can actually turn off the DF's ability.
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I've always liked the idea that whatever energies/spirit/devil cause the DF powers are released into the world and eventually are drawn into another fruit of a particular kind. Mind you, I only like this idea because for some odd reason it's what I always pictured in my head before I actually sat down and thought about it. However it would explain why random people can get DF powers. For instance, if the Giraffe fruit was always manifested into a bunch of Bananas somewhere in the grand-line it would be quite possible for someone to accidentially eat them before it is recognised as a SF by the swirly things on it. It's a rather silly idea but I like to think of it this way.
I had not thought of this and love your theory.
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@Sniper:
That's a good theory, I agree with it.
So it's like…A buncha bananas are on...a tree...and then the "devil giraffe energy" goes into them and the become a Devil Fruit!By that theory, is it possible that the Elephant sword or the Dog Gun was just a regular sword/gun and then the "Dog/Elephant Devil Energies" goes into them...?
So what I mean is...What if these "devil energies" can go into ANYTHING...? Then this would be cancelled out by the fact that we've only seen TWO inanimate objects have devil fruit powers...
Perhaps this is how Vegapunk gets the energy into objects. Maybe the government kills the person with the fruit and somehow forces the energy into an object instead of a new fruit. That would make the creation of Devil Fruit-empowered objects pretty sinister.
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That's possible but wouldn't that mean Mr. 4 is the connected to Vegapunk? For some reason I don't see that happening.
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They've already said in the manga that Vegapunk was the one who figured out how to put Devil Fruit energy into items. Once he figured out the technology there is nothing to stop the government from using it any time they want, whether Vegapunk is actually there or not. There is no reason Mr. 4 or Spandam have to have any personal connection to Vegapunk.
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It's kind of automatically implied with that statement as the only person we know that has that knowledge is Vegapunk and the only two (or three) items with weapons that use this power belong to Mr. 4 and Spandam (and the one we saw in the Whitebeard War).
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Ohh, I think I missed that statement.
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@Doc:
Is that polar bear a awaken zoan like from impel down?
Bepo is his name.
He lacks Awakened Zoan characteristics= Incapable of higher thought and act solely on instinct.
Besides Bepo isn't even a confirmed Devil Fruit user. O_O
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Bepo is his name.
He lacks Awakened Zoan characteristics= Incapable of higher thought and act solely on instinct.
Besides Bepo isn't even a confirmed Devil Fruit user. O_O
So that's a no for now. =]Yeah there is not much information on Bepo - Since only chopper has eaten the Human fruit that rules out that possiblity.
The other option is he is a human that ate the Polar Bear fruit and stays in the animal form.
But with Zoan I thought they revert to their natural form when unconcious, so not sure how he works. Could be like the starfish that learned to speak english. -
Or it could be that Law used his DF ability to transfer the brain of a human named Bepo into the body of a bear, because it was a last ditch attempt to save his life….
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Or it could be that Law used his DF ability to transfer the brain of a human named Bepo into the body of a bear, because it was a last ditch attempt to save his life….
Now that sounds cool
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Or it could be that Law used his DF ability to transfer the brain of a human named Bepo into the body of a bear, because it was a last ditch attempt to save his life….
Dude …. I like that :blink:
Seriously I will be dissapointed if that is not the official reasoning.
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The humans name wouldn't be Bepo :wassat:, but aside from that, I love the dark surgeon explanation.
As for Devil Fruit "energy" being released into the world, I think Blackbeard disproves this, Whitebeard was clearly dead and the fruit remained within his body for Blackbeard to take. Of course, if the curtain wasn't there we could understand what he did to take it, but I'd like to think either the fruit regrows from the carcass or somehow reforms inside/near the body's resting place.
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Or it could be that Law used his DF ability to transfer the brain of a human named Bepo into the body of a bear, because it was a last ditch attempt to save his life….
Yesss sounds awsome
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Or it could be that Law used his DF ability to transfer the brain of a human named Bepo into the body of a bear, because it was a last ditch attempt to save his life….
That's interesting, but the fact that Bepo is attracted to female bears and not human women kinda contradicts it.
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That's interesting, but the fact that Bepo is attracted to female bears and not human women kinda contradicts it.
Well he has spend years in that body (Probably.) it isnt that weird that he has taken over some bear treats in his mind.
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Furries; there is no contradiction :ninja:
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I kind of think of Bepo as a natural Awakened, but not like the Demon Guards, who seem to be flawed or experiments by Vegapunk, and that Law taught him how talk, fight, act, etc.
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Well he has spend years in that body (Probably.) it isnt that weird that he has taken over some bear treats in his mind.
That and there may be a severe lack of Furry enthusiastic women in the OP universe :ninja:
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That's interesting, but the fact that Bepo is attracted to female bears and not human women kinda contradicts it.
thats what i was thinking too
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Or it could be that Law used his DF ability to transfer the brain of a human named Bepo into the body of a bear, because it was a last ditch attempt to save his life….
Based on the positive reaction the board is giving this theory thus far, I want to call it the AP standard until proven otherwise.
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Based on the positive reaction the board is giving this theory thus far, I want to call it the AP standard until proven otherwise.
Not really an unanimous concensus - but it is a unique theory.
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That's interesting, but the fact that Bepo is attracted to female bears and not human women kinda contradicts it.
Its entirely possible, since he's been a bear…that it may have allowed him to pick up some traits that bears have. When Lucci was in his Zoan form, as Chopper stated, especially in the case of predatory creatures...it makes them more bloodthirsty and vicious than normal. I see no reason why the same can't apply for Bepo.
It makes the most sense imo...based on wat we know and of Law's DF ability to maniuplate space to some extent and him being a top class surgeon.
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I don't see why there needs to be some new explanation when we have a clear precedent given too us a few chapters before Bepo's introduction.
Not that the Law theory isn't cool, it's just not necessary.
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Oh since it's popular it must be the standard and all other theories should be ousted. Makes perfect sense.
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My mistake. I jumped the gun.
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I don't see why there needs to be some new explanation when we have a clear precedent given too us a few chapters before Bepo's introduction.
Not that the Law theory isn't cool, it's just not necessary.
What am I missing? I'm sure it's really super-duper-obvious but right now I just can't figure out what you're referring to :wassat:
edit: ah, of course. Pappug >_>
…right?
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What am I missing? I'm sure it's really super-duper-obvious but right now I just can't figure out what you're referring to :wassat:
edit: ah, of course. Pappug >_>
…right?
So…Bepo is a bear that learned to speak like a human?
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He could be. We don't know for sure yet, but it seems to make sense.
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What am I missing? I'm sure it's really super-duper-obvious but right now I just can't figure out what you're referring to :wassat:
edit: ah, of course. Pappug >_>
…right?
Yes I was referring to our starfish friend.
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I've always liked the idea that whatever energies/spirit/devil cause the DF powers are released into the world and eventually are drawn into another fruit of a particular kind. Mind you, I only like this idea because for some odd reason it's what I always pictured in my head before I actually sat down and thought about it. However it would explain why random people can get DF powers. For instance, if the Giraffe fruit was always manifested into a bunch of Bananas somewhere in the grand-line it would be quite possible for someone to accidentially eat them before it is recognised as a SF by the swirly things on it. It's a rather silly idea but I like to think of it this way.
Bumping this theory again because I just thought of something to further it. I'm thinking this theory works with Devil Fruits being available on Sky Islands where Vearth, and therefore normal plants, are hard to come by. After all, we've only seen one (possibly two) Sky People with a DF ability. The rarity of Vearth coincides proportionately with the rarity of Sky People with DF powers.
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has anyone drawn connections with types of devil fruits and the personality of the one thats uses it two examples i like are Ace's temper and akoji's cool personality. can anyone think of some other good examples?
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Well I think Iva-chan's is rather obvious, though I can't think of a simple two word phrase to describe it…
Inazuma's job is cutting through the red tape for Iva-chan, so…
Califa is OCD and many people with that disorder are obsessed with cleanliness...
Lucci and his resemblance to a wild cat is obvious...
Would you say Kizaru tries (harder than Buggy ever did, which may explain why he dropped the phrase) to be flashy?
Buggy is a coward and therefore breaks into a million pieces that easily avoid most problems
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And yeah, to be honest I do think I've read this or something similar on this forum before, lol.