yes.they…not luffy alone
so they will meet the new nakama,have an adventure with him,and together to the new world..
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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is he a boss or not,he looks like a damn boss to me
[qimg]http://i3.mangareader.net/one-piece/593/one-piece-1442002.jpg[/qimg]You're joking right?
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i am not.Oda said ''they''.so they must be all together in this adventure
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i am not.Oda said ''they''.so they must be all together in this adventure
You do realize that it might have just been the translation, since he said it in you know, Japanese?
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You do realize that it might have just been the translation, since he said it in you know, Japanese?
i suppose in japanese they is different from he
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Would Vivi just be able to pass through Mariejois to meet the strawhats in the new world?
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Would Vivi just be able to pass through Mariejois to meet the strawhats in the new world?
It's possible but I don't see why she would. The Strawhats are kind of notorious now and it wouldn't look good if the future queen of Alabasta was seen keeping company with them.
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It's possible but I don't see why she would. The Strawhats are kind of notorious now and it wouldn't look good if the future queen of Alabasta was seen keeping company with them.
Especially since its been established that the WG has no problems whatsoever sending an entire freaking nation to the gulags.
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huron proves 2005 posters are just as bad as 2010 posters
i don't care who joins i just don't want arlong -
The last 20 posts or so are pretty embarrassing on both sides.
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Well seeing the current chapter I think Jinbei is pretty alone at the fishmen island and probably not very popular. Well we might even see a Jinbei rescue arc or whatever now.
Let me explain
The new Fishmen pirates are looking down at humans and are still hating them. They are even in good terms with Arlong as you can see at Hammods speech and the tatoos at them.
Well they might look up at Fisher Tiger but Jinbei is totally different. He was in good terms with WB and even became a Shichibukai and to set a sign of humans and fishmen working together, whiich probably made him less popular at FI.
After he get rid of his status FI became a target of the marines as well once again cuz of his betrayal and the "bad" fishmen ala Hammoud raised there popularity cuz of that.
I can see Jinbei as some sort of an Outsider and loner trying to protect FI but having his own ways. Maybe he even got beaten up to a pulp during the 2 years after all.
Jinbei was even considered from Croc as rare and unique fishmen
Can't wait to see him
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A concept of an "outsider" that I've been mulling over for a while(and this has no doubt been brought up on AP before at some point) is a fishperson with a DF. Someone who can no longer swim through the sea. How would they be regarded by other fishpeople? Pity? Derision?
Hoping Oda brings this up at some point.
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The thing is , we don't know if those fishman pirates are the same as the fishmen on Fishman Island, they could be the outlaws.
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with them being at fishman island my hopes of a young fishman joing is coming closer to being a reality
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I completely agree with all 6 of them, I also think he has about as much chance of joining as Surume.
What an insightful argument. :getlost:
The last 20 posts or so are pretty embarrassing on both sides.
I agree. This thread had the potential to get somewhat good for a second there, too.
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Thinking on "fishman with a DF" some more, the story kinda writes itself.
Celestial Dragons having a fishman as a pet, feeds it a DF, and says it can leave if it wants (motioning to a cliff by the ocean or somesuch). Fishman chooses death over slavery and dives in, and drifts to FI/is rescued and taken to FI.
Comes dangerously close to fanfic I guess, but I have no real investment in it apart from the base idea of a fishman unable to swim.
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My biggest problem with the idea is that the character wouldn't really suit the purpose (survival wise) for having a fishman on the crew in the first place.
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Would be a kinda ironic member for the "rescue an idiotic DF user who fell into the water and need rescuing themselves" brigade though.
But I take your point.
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Would be a kinda ironic member for the "rescue an idiotic DF user who fell into the water and need rescuing themselves" brigade though.
We had a lot of that already.
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My biggest problem with the idea is that the character wouldn't really suit the purpose (survival wise) for having a fishman on the crew in the first place.
Fishman Karate is all that matters
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Yawn lame points in an attempt to make jinbei a member of the crew. Jinbei has no reason to join the crew and will not join. He doesn't even have a dream. If he did it would be boring and not necessary for the SHP. I want to live in peace is prob the shitty fuckers dream.
More often than not, dreams are something that go hand in hand with flashbacks. There's no reason to assume that his not being revealed yet is a sign of anything. The fact that your personal theory is him having no dream or a lame dream is a pretty good sign, though.
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@Sea:
We had a lot of that already.
I know. I was noting the greater irony of such a situation here, since oda does like to build on past jokes.
More often than not, dreams are something that go hand in hand with flashbacks. There's no reason to assume that his not being revealed yet is a sign of anything. The fact that your personal fanfic is him having no dream or a lame dream is a pretty good sign, though.
He's apparently opposed to any fishmen joining.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=2016972&postcount=10907
So I wouldn't waste much time since it's just his personal dislike talking and not any kind of actual point.
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He's apparently opposed to any fishmen joining.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=2016972&postcount=10907
So I wouldn't waste much time since it's just his personal dislike talking and not any kind of actual point.
Oh yeah, I know, but it's a bit fascinating to me sometimes. He's like the complete antithesis of a normal fan in so many ways.
I'm saying that his dream will more than likely be something that will not be needed for him to join the SHP. Jinbei is a pretty lame character and his dream is more than liekly going to involve tiger fisher quite possible WB and any combination of the two and maybe they'll be a flash back to Ace . Either way fail character is fail.
So you're saying that his dream will be about dead people, and his flashback will be about Ace. Your prediction success rate is well earned.
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Oh na I meant flashback instead of dream.
Remind me again how long Robin had been a part of the crew before we found out about her dream?:ninja:
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Remind me again how long Robin had been a part of the crew before we found out about her dream?:ninja:
Actually her basic goal was revealed right the chapter she joined, that's to know History.
Oh na I meant flashback instead of dream.
A flashback with WB or Fisher Tiger. How is that against anything pro-Jinbei?
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Robin was a different type of character that was very layered and didn't trust anyone. It took a while for her to exactly live yet alone her proclaim her dream.
Thats the problem with
"If - Then - Equals" Statements - Jinbei might join and his dream is now to see Luffy as the Pirate king to fulfill the sacrifices and legacies of WB and Ace and all those lost in the war.Why does the dream have to be something from the past? Things change and so do dreams. Look at Zoro putting aside pride for the sake of Luffy - His dream stays the same but he mannor of achieving it has changed in that one moment.
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What an insightful argument. :getlost:
That wasn't an argument, that was a joke. Although it might not have been a very good joke.
Any way I have stated my reasons for not thinking he will join and see no reason to go over them again.
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The crew better stay the way it is. I don't want to handle anyone else being on board.
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The crew better stay the way it is. I don't want to handle anyone else being on board.
Then you're going to be disappointed.
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Then you're going to be disappointed.
Naw he/she just needs to accept change more - like the world of warcraft players did "Oh noes Cataclysm :sad:" Release "ZMOG Changes are awesome :happy:"
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Any way I have stated my reasons for not thinking he will join and see no reason to go over them again.
What, you mean these? Because I can't find anything else.
Meh, Jimbe is too serious, sensible, and weird quirk free to be part of the crew. Unless you consider his seeming suicidal tendencies as a quirk.
On another note I really don't see Jimbei joining, I'm not exactly sure why but I just can't picture it. Perhaps it's that he was introduced in the war arc (I count ID as part of the overall war arc) and and that arc ended and Jimbei left and Luffy didn't even hint at wanting him to become his nakama. Or perhaps it's that when they parted Jimbei said he looked forward to Luffy meeting him at fishman island and I can't seem to find any subtext that goes 'oh and when we meet again then I'll join your crew and sail off with you'. Or perhaps it's just that I really can't see his personality fitting in with the rest of the crew. Whatever the reason I think it's more likely that a completely new character will join that anyone we have met so far.
And these two quotes are supposed to justify why he has no more chance than Surume?
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i really hope this arc goes without any new crewmates. I have a feeling it will, but no sources to back it up.
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Umm well the point is that his personality does not fit with the rest of the crew, making him unique.
Perona's personality is basically a cross between usopp's comedy and robin's darkness, nothing new.Caribou, had usopp's lying ability combined with typical insane antagonistic qualities, definitely not some thing worth seeing in the next 700 chapters.
Hancock's personality consists of her being an asshole to everyone but luffy, plus being a captain of her own crew plus a crap load of reasons for not making her relationship with luffy known.
Jinbe is the only character worth discussing and I have put my reasons for him being worth discussion time and time again. Really, if people are just going to discuss anyone besides him and (maybe) Surume since he does have a little evidence though he will probably just stick around for this arc, well this thread should just be closed because i just want to vomit every time I see it.
Pretty much every argument for every other character has demolished by people like JERK DISEASE, Urouge, and even me, yet people continue to bring up stupid characters for the sake of trolling and the lust for more boobs in the crew. Lust, ya know thats one of the 7 sins right?
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Well seeing the current chapter I think Jinbei is pretty alone at the fishmen island and probably not very popular. Well we might even see a Jinbei rescue arc or whatever now.
That may be true, but I'm not sure. I doubt that all the fishmen at FI are pirates, the majority must be simple citizens who want to live their lives peacefully.
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What, you mean these? Because I can't find anything else.
And these two quotes are supposed to justify why he has no more chance than Surume?
And like I said the part about him having as much chance of joining as Surume was a joke, as in, not serious. He has the best chance of joining of anyone we have met in the story thus far.
I didn't say they were particularly good reasons. Just that they are my reasons.
I don't have any arguments against Jimbe that can't be countered a thousand different ways. In any case all of them aren't really the reason why I don't think he will join. I don't think he will join because I don't think he fit's in with the crew. It's that simple, and, because it's a personal opinion, there is very little chance (probably no chance) of me convincing anyone else that he won't join, or anyone else convincing me that he will.
I suppose if he does join I just relegate him to a pre-timeskip Nami or Ussop position in my head, disliked but tolerated because the story is great.
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Then you're going to be disappointed.
No I won't. I've thought this way before after all.
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i really hope this arc goes without any new crewmates. I have a feeling it will, but no sources to back it up.
Considering the uniqueness that fishmen/mermen could bring to the crew, the amount of oppression they've faced, and the number of years since Brook has joined, I find nobody joining by the end of FI to be unlikely. Also, any remaining new members need ample time to develop and really become part of the crew. They can't get put off for too long.
And like I said the part about him having as much chance of joining as Surume was a joke, as in, not serious. He has the best chance of joining of anyone we have met in the story thus far.
Ok, that's fine. But two comments just isn't enough to be able to assume that anyone will know where you stand. A little repetition is necessary sometimes.
I didn't say they were particularly good reasons. Just that they are my reasons.
I don't have any arguments against Jimbe that can't be countered a thousand different ways. In any case all of them aren't really the reason why I don't think he will join. I don't think he will join because I don't think he fit's in with the crew. It's that simple, and, because it's a personal opinion, there is very little chance (probably no chance) of me convincing anyone else that he won't join, or anyone else convincing me that he will.
I suppose if he does join I just relegate him to a pre-timeskip Nami or Ussop position in my head, disliked but tolerated because the story is great.
Yes, well, you're hardly alone with this viewpoint. And yes, it's a very difficult point to argue, and that applies to both sides. About all I can say for the pro side is that variety is a good thing.
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I suppose if he does join I just relegate him to a pre-timeskip Nami or Ussop position in my head, disliked but tolerated because the story is great.
How generous of you
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1. A fishman/merman is likely to join the crew at the end of FI.
I can see why people would want that, but I don't think something like that is set in stone. I can definitely see the reasoning behind it though, so I won't argue this point.
2. Jinbe is an exception among his peers.
I don't really see what you mean with this one. Jinbe being an exception among Fishmen doesn't really seem to qualify him for Luffy's crew. This'll also carry on to the next count-point I'm going to make.
3. His strength/potential/reputation are properly tiered.
Personally I think that this strength and reputation are a little bit over-board for joining the Straw Hats. Jinbe is obviously very strong, strong enough to fight to a stalemate with Ace years ago. We can't be sure how strong the current Straw Hats are now, but I'm pretty sure that Jinbe joining with circumvent the growth that the Monster Trio has had from the start. They're the three muscles of the Straw Hats, and I don't see Jinbe joining and not changing that to a quartet.
We've had Zoro, Luffy, and Sanji growing and getting stronger since East Blue, always being the strongest of the group. Jinbe joining would add him into that, because while I can see Luffy maybe being stronger than Jinbe, I can't for Sanji and Zoro. Plus could you imagine the Straw Hats running around with a former Shichibukai? That'd almost be ridiculous for a crew to have.
I think Jinbe is too big for the Straw Hats, even if they have become fairly famous themselves.
4. A last request from Ace, then being impressed enough with Luffy to put his life on the line for him.
Jinbe did bet his life on Luffy getting out of Marineford/Marinford (Which one is it?) alive, and then he left him with Rayleigh, in more than enough good hands. Since then Luffy has exponentially grown and Jinbe should be able to tell this when they meet again. I can see Luffy's growth until this point being enough for Jinbe to consider his job of protecting Luffy done. There doesn't really seem like there's much he can do after training him with a legend like Rayleigh. Jinbe has definitely looked out for Luffy already. I think he can consider it a job well done.
5. Loss of warlord title, which is a serious change in career path.
Jinbe originally took in the Shichibukai status to help relations between Fishmen and Humans, and his goal has always seemed to be the protection of Fishman Island as first and foremost. It seems to me that it'd be more important for him to stay there and hold down the fort than it would be for him to go off adventuring with Luffy to extend his promise to Ace.
6. High probability of a sad past flashback, with a legendary mentor figure.
I can definitely see a flashback for Jinbe, and I'm looking forward to something like that, and his mentor figure will more than probably be Fisher Tiger. However I don't think that everybody with a sad past should join the Straw Hats. I'd like to see good character development for somebody important to the story, but not a crew-member.
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Stop it. You agreeing with me, even if they're for different reasons, is hurting my argument enough without your terrible posts and reasoning.
Umm well the point is that his personality does not fit with the rest of the crew, making him unique.
There are plenty of other characters with different personalities than the rest of the Straw Hats, but I wouldn't call that grounds enough to make them plausible crew-members. Besides, Zoro and Robin (well not always Zoro) have some very serious demeanors and can be very mature just like Jinbe is.
Pretty much every argument for every other character has demolished by people like JERK DISEASE, Urouge, and even me, yet people continue to bring up stupid characters for the sake of trolling and the lust for more boobs in the crew.
I wasn't here for the Perona arguments but I've seen the Caribou ones and those are pretty retarded. I can definitely see how people just making terrible cases for random characters that they happen to like gets very annoying.
But is the general consensus here that Jinbe will join, or that he's the only one who currently has a chance at this moment in time? Because I will say he has a lot more of a chance than any other character that I've seen brought up, but I know Jerk Disease has made a prediction about him (although I don't know what it is), and Jinbe seems to be rather favored by some of the. . . shall I say, smarter posters.
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To play devil's advocate, I think we should stop using the "he's too big" excuse, Franky is already huge and if you take a look at Oda's updated height sketch in Data Book Green the remaining nakama(tes?) will be taller than the base crew.
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To play devil's advocate, I think we should stop using the "he's too big" excuse, Franky is already huge and if you take a look at Oda's updated height sketch in Data Book Green the remaining nakama(tes?) will be taller than the base crew.
I don't mean he's physically too big. I mean his reputation and strength are.
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But is the general consensus here that Jinbe will join, or that he's the only one who currently has a chance at this moment in time?
The only one who has a chance at this moment in time.
Because I will say he has a lot more of a chance than any other character that I've seen brought up, but I know Jerk Disease has made a prediction about him (although I don't know what it is), and Jinbe seems to be rather favored by some of the. . . shall I say, smarter posters.
JERK DISEASE's prediction is that Jinbe will not join, though he believes that the pro-Jinbe arguments are less retarded than other arguments. Similar to you I believe.
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But is the general consensus here that Jinbe will join, or that he's the only one who currently has a chance at this moment in time? Jinbe seems to be rather favored by some of the. . . shall I say, smarter posters.
I'll let Urouge reply to the rest of the post, since… well, you are quoting him and all, but I can answer the above question: Referencing the poll, there seems to be a decent amount of people that think Jinbei has the best chances now; I don't know of anyone off the top of my head who thinks Jinbei will certainly join, however. I introduced the theory, almost exactly as it is now, a few chapters before Jinbei was seen. (Around chapter 525). Since then, aside from me, Urouge has been the only other major voice for Jinbei, with a couple people making small arguments here and there, but mostly bouncing off of our arguments. I certainly wouldn't call the two of us (Urouge and I) the 'general consensus'. Some time during the war at Marineford, however, more people began agreeing with our speculation. I think the specific turning point was when Jinbei had his mini-flashback with Ace after Ace had died.
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JERK DISEASE's prediction is that Jinbe will not join, though he believes that the pro-Jinbe arguments are less retarded than other arguments. Similar to you I believe.
Yeah, but that's a relatively newer development. He used to criticize the suggestion– or rather, criticize me. I found a post a while back where he called me the new "Fire Fist" Ace of stupid theories or something like that. I don't blame him, as the theory was never popular until the things suggested were backed more by the manga (obviously).
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Stop it. You agreeing with me, even if they're for different reasons, is hurting my argument enough without your terrible posts and reasoning.
That… Was hilarious! Oh wow, so beautifully harsh and cutting. I think I'm in love. :wub:
Also, Brennen I just noticed your join date, it's cool to know we have a time traveler in our midst.
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Never thought Jimbei was "less retarded".
I like Jimbei a lot, always have, and I wouldn't be upset if he joined.
I found it sort implausible and power unbalancing before the break. Now I'm not sure anymore, though I still stand by him not joining.If you remember me calling something less retarded it was probably a Boa/Perona comparison favorable to the former.