Wait didn't he die because his illness made him weaker and it was like a race against time or something? I might be wrong but I thought that was it, that's why orochimaru didn't use his body
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Cuz that makes the LOL I NEED REST any more justifiable in a shonen manga huh?
C'mon guys…
It was a pretty badass fight up to that point as well…
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Cuz that makes the LOL I NEED REST any more justifiable in a shonen manga huh?
C'mon guys…
Need to rest? he died he was running on will power to begin with, I thought it was fine, it showed that they had a long way to go and they wouldn't have won was he healthy, I didn't know anyone ever had a problem with it before? Actually I thought the scene was pretty cool, how he was just a second away from killing them and then just stopped
It is blatantly obvious Kishimoto's art has gotten straight-up bland in the past several hundred chapters. Much of it is by design.
I remember reading the volume notes for some of the earlier Naruto chapters where he talked about how he had difficulty in designing somewhat complicated character design elements because he realized he would have to draw them over and over again. Like, for example, Naruto started out with goggles, but he ditched them quickly because they were too much of a pain to draw every panel. I know similar things were said about Sakura (he sucks at drawing girls, he says). For him, Sasuke became his favorite because he was the easiest to draw (glossy black).
Recently, in an interview that Oda did alongside Kishimoto while he was promoting Strong World (one of many, not sure I'd be able to find it, but I think I read it on this site), when the authors were asked what was most important to them when drawing their characters and Kishi said "Consistency."
I didn't find that interview, but I did find another he did for Jump for '09, and in it he talks about the change in his art style:
MK: In Part II, I try not to overdo the typical manga style. I don't go for too much deformation and keep the layout of the panels simple in order to make it easier to follow. My drawing style has also shifted from the classic manga look to something a bit more realistic.
Elsewhere he also mentions that Tobi is his favorite Akatsuki member to draw… because he's easy to draw. So, if we don't see the dynamism we saw in the older stuff... it's probably because he wanted to develop a more consistent drawing style... and
"because it's easy to draw."
There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.
At least Kishi can in fact be consistent with designs.
Indeed part 2's drawings suck compared to part 1
Kishi may also be suffering from hand cramps. Being expected to have a chapter ready every week for over a decade, it's understandable why he may cut corners in his art.
It is blatantly obvious Kishimoto's art has gotten straight-up bland in the past several hundred chapters. Much of it is by design.
I remember reading the volume notes for some of the earlier Naruto chapters where he talked about how he had difficulty in designing somewhat complicated character design elements because he realized he would have to draw them over and over again. Like, for example, Naruto started out with goggles, but he ditched them quickly because they were too much of a pain to draw every panel. I know similar things were said about Sakura (he sucks at drawing girls, he says). For him, Sasuke became his favorite because he was the easiest to draw (glossy black).
Recently, in an interview that Oda did alongside Kishimoto while he was promoting Strong World (one of many, not sure I'd be able to find it, but I think I read it on this site), when the authors were asked what was most important to them when drawing their characters and Kishi said "Consistency."
I didn't find that interview, but I did find another he did for Jump for '09, and in it he talks about the change in his art style:
Elsewhere he also mentions that Tobi is his favorite Akatsuki member to draw… because he's easy to draw. So, if we don't see the dynamism we saw in the older stuff... it's probably because he wanted to develop a more consistent drawing style... and
"because it's easy to draw."
Oh jeez, I knew that he obviously had no love for his manga anymore but I didn't think it'd reach the point where he would borderline admit it
Need to rest? he died he was running on will power to begin with, I thought it was fine, it showed that they had a long way to go and they wouldn't have won was he healthy, I didn't know anyone ever had a problem with it before? Actually I thought the scene was pretty cool, how he was just a second away from killing them and then just stopped
Kishi had written himself into a corner and ended that fight by cheating for the heroes. Same way Kiba and Shikimaru won their fights in the same arc. "Oh man, we've lost and we're out of power and screwed and nearly dead and we have no actual strategy for surviving and… hey, backup from out of nowhere!"
It basically amounted to "this is a fight the heroes can't win and they have no reason participating in it and its entirely pointless." Naruto and Lee could have just run away and it'd have made no difference at all, cause he STILL would have died five minutes later.
Which is a shame because well... it was a Rock Lee fight and it was badass. because at the time, that actually meant something.
It'd be different if he was guarding a door or something and the CHARACTERS knew they only had to last 5 minutes against him because he cockily said up front he had the limit or something. Instead of fluking into not dying.
The best fight so far in part 2 is Kabuto vs Anko, such a great fight.
I hope this war is full of fights like that.
When was that fight? I don't remember it.
@Usopp:
Kishi may also be suffering from hand cramps. Being expected to have a chapter ready every week for over a decade, it's understandable why he may cut corners in his art.
Most artists get faster and better with practice. Not slower and worse.
@RobbyBevard:
Kishi had written himself into a corner and ended that fight by cheating for the heroes. Same way Kiba and Shikimaru won their fights in the same arc. "Oh man, we've lost and we're out of power and screwed and nearly dead and… hey, backup from out of nowhere!"
It basically amounted to "this is a fight the heroes can't win and they have no reason participating in it and its entirely pointless. Naruto and Lee could have just run away and it'd have made no difference at all, cause he STILL would have died five minutes later."
What Robby said.
Imagine if Luffy had beaten Crocodile cuz it started raining in Arabasta (rendering him useless), that would've been a MAJOR cop-out.
That's essentially what this amounts to.
Dammmmn…. i never thought of that.
I NEVER thought of that!!
I'd have been fucking crushed.
Kishimoto went for simplicity and minimalism. Too bad that he got lost on the way and ended at blandness.
@RobbyBevard:
Kishi had written himself into a corner and ended that fight by cheating for the heroes. Same way Kiba and Shikimaru won their fights in the same arc. "Oh man, we've lost and we're out of power and screwed and nearly dead and we have no actual strategy for surviving and… hey, backup from out of nowhere!"
It basically amounted to "this is a fight the heroes can't win and they have no reason participating in it and its entirely pointless." Naruto and Lee could have just run away and it'd have made no difference at all, cause he STILL would have died five minutes later.
Which is a shame because well… it was a Rock Lee fight and it was badass. because at the time, that actually meant something.
It'd be different if he was guarding a door or something and the CHARACTERS knew they only had to last 5 minutes against him because he cockily said up front he had the limit or something. Instead of fluking into not dying.
besides the boded section I agree with everything, I think the whole reason was to have them fail or at least feel like they failed and have a considerable reason to get stronger for part 2, motivation, but other than that I see what your saying
@RobbyBevard:
Most artists get faster and better with practice. Not slower and worse.
I think he has no more passion for the series… he's just writting it to finsih and make money, all the love for the characters and the story's overall plot don't matter as much to him any more and it shows in his art
What Robby said.
Imagine if Luffy had beaten Crocodile cuz it started raining in Arabasta (rendering him useless), that would've been a MAJOR cop-out.
That's essentially what this amounts to.
agreed that would be terrible, but I think the only good aspect to that as with what I was saying was the only good aspect to that naruto part, is that it would let them win but show them that they didn't win by their power and in doing that it gives them motivation to get stronger because they know there won't always be a cop-out, although I may be looking to much into this for naruto, but I agree with like 98% of what your saying
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@RobbyBevard:
There's a reason I have no expectations for the war and don't expect Kishi to do anything, even with all the potential he's set up. As lame as the zombie thing is, in better hands it would be exciting to see the robot master rematches. other authors have done similar things before… we'll see how he handles this.
Oh, but Robby, I know Kishi's work has been pretty terrible since part II, but if he can suddenly go from being a great author to a bad author who's to say he won't suddenly go back to being a great author?
…I'm dead serious. This is an actual argument that a Narutard used against me.
…I'm dead serious. This is an actual argument that a Narutard used against me.
The same line was used on me before around the end of the Pain arc in a different forum.
Perhaps the thing I can at least laugh at myself for is I recall myself saying I'd start caring about Naruto again if Itachi came back to life. Well…
The same line was used on me before around the end of the Pain arc in a different forum.
Perhaps the thing I can at least laugh at myself for is I recall myself saying I'd start caring about Naruto again if Itachi came back to life. Well…
Greg made a similar statement about Bone guy.
And now he hasn't posted in like 2 weeks.
I'd say I would be forced to eat crow but Naruto beat me to that already.
If only Greg was allowed in this thread anymore.
The same line was used on me before around the end of the Pain arc in a different forum.
Perhaps the thing I can at least laugh at myself for is I recall myself saying I'd start caring about Naruto again if Itachi came back to life. Well…
Well, now you must make a post stating "I care about Naruto." 
Some apparent spoilers are out.
! -Sai is cool…defeats his brother (apparently).
! -Omoi also does stuff...
! -Deidara and Sasori still survive...
! That's all for now...
Ooh, I can just feel the suspense.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
Wow i smell a glossy black chapter, if Sai defeats "What was his name" and the third had to sacrifice his life to end Edo Tensei.
Naruto is so cool it has 600 billion naked Zetsus with armadillo penises dancing under a rainbow.
Sai beats his brother in this chapter? Hmm, well I suppose if Kishimoto paces himself well he could whip up a highly entertaining fight chock full of creativity and action bringing both combatants to their limits, drawing out all the necessary emotional back-story between the two and culminating in a fantastic climax that resolves Sai's his insecurity of losing his brother and closes his character development.
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Who am I kidding, it's gonna suck.
Well…that was fast with Sais brother.
Read some spoilers.
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518 The battle between the ambush corps!!
Omoi's anxiety fades as he gets serious!!
Deidara : "Hey, this is war!! Don't be saying nice things, yeah!!
The ambush unit (Kankuro's) flees from battle.
Sai Vs. Sai's brother
Sai's brother attacks Sai. Sai stops it with a kunai. (could be the other way around)
Sai: "Brother! Get a hold of yourself."
Deidara: "Good movement. But attacking us (the zombies) is useless.
Omoi: "Cloud style: URAGIRI!!" (uragiri = Betrayal / treachery). He cuts Sasori's chakra threads.
Deidara: "Tch, you were aiming to cut behind me all along, what a dirty trick. Like I give a damn!! "
Sasori: "You managed to cut my chakra strings… Impressive swordsmanship."
Kankuro notices that Sasori's chakra strings have been cut, and connects his own chakra strings.
Kankuro: "Ittan, do it!"
Ittan: "OK! Earth Element : CHIDOUGAKU!!". The ground shifts and rises.
Sai's brother is standing in front of Sasori
Sasori is dragged down. " I didn't expect you to attach your chakra strings to mine... You've improved your technique a little, Kankuro".
Kankuro: "I really appreciate the praise from a master puppeteer, but i'm better than you!" Kankuro pulls out Sasori's puppet scroll. He summons Sasori's body.
Sasori: My puppet? No matter, I don't really care. Now I have a body that cannot be destroyed. This is the body i've always wished for!
Kankuro: "..."
Sasori connects his chakra strings to Sai's brother.
Hoheto checks Sai's brother.
Sai's brother: "Run..." He gets on Deidara's bird.
Kankuro: "Ittan, use your earth technique to protect the wounded!!
Hoheto "Chief... that Root guy! He's got that clay inside of him...
Sai's brother "..."
Sai "!?"
Ittan "I heard that Deidara's exploding clay is weak against electricity..."
Omoi "Maybe if I..."
Kankuro's Sasori Vs. Sasori and Sai's brother
If you cut the chakra strings, then Omoi can join the battle.
The opportunity comes,
Deidara "Too late!!"
Kankuro "NOW! Kankuro's Sanshouuo (salamander pupper) comes out of the ground and swallows Sai's brother. He explodes.
Sai "BROTHERRRR!"
It was pretty lucky they were in the forest. The explosion? Anyhow, the reinforcements were killed / destroyed.
Inside the rock : Zaji! How is it outside!?
Zaji: It's OK. I can sense everyone's chakra, they're all alive.
Omoi "Owowow"
Sai's picture book falls out of his rucksack.
Deidara "I didn't expect you to have some sort of defense puppet underground... You're lucky that that blast wasn't very powerful, yeah.
Sasori "The defense puppet Sanshouuo. I created it long ago"
Sai "... to use him as a bomb"
Deidara "Yeah? Do you have a problem with that? I don't care if you're Sasuke's replacement, you watch [<– I don't understand this part -->]
Sai's brother starts to regenerate.
Deidara "The soul is tied to this earth, we can regenerate as often as we like… even if we're turned into a bomb, hahahaha!
Sai's brother "I...don't want to hurt you... ...die... ...even though you've ( or i've) been released from Root
I know a little heresay about Konoha's Root... The members are raised from a young age together like siblings, they're raised to kill, they are trained to suppress their emotions...
Sai's brother "If you lose your heart (emotions), you have no hesitation...that's what a truly strong ninja is. In Root I was close to that.
Kankuro "..."
Deidara "you're pretty good with your drawing! Art's a blast! Well then, lets go another round!
Sai silently takes the brush.
[<-- yattemiro is 'let's try to do', but i'm not sure what he's doing here. -->
The pages in the picture book open
Sai summons (like his ink animals) the Thunder God and the Wind God.
Sai's brother is reminiscing.
Sai "Brother, I've got something to show you... but it's not finished yet, please wait a little longer..."
The Thunder God and the Wind God attack and push back Sasori and Deidara.
Kankuro uses his 'Black' secret technique (his puppeteering technique I assume, he was talking about Sasori's 'Red' technique earlier). Deidara and Sasori are trapped inside his puppets (Kuroari and Karasu (Black ant and Raven) ).
Deidara "Shit! I should have just used a suicide attack! I'll use my ultimate art, I can use it as many time as I want now! Yeah.
I assume Deidara is opening the mouth on his chest (to ready his suicide attack). A lightning attack ripples through.
Raiton!!? (Lightning technique!!?)
Kankuro " [<– No idea, it's the technique's name -->]
Rope covered in poison comes out of Kankuro's Sasori and wraps around the puppets.
Kankuro "Well done Omoi! Now I can definately keep these guys locked in my puppet technique.
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Seems nice.
Well, it seems decent, but anything after last week's snoozefest is going to look good.
Have to say I'm amused at how happy Deidara is a being a zombie, though.
Narutobeard in action.
I see Jesus no Jutsu can be used by anybody nowadays.
@RobbyBevard:
Most artists get faster and better with practice. Not slower and worse.
Kishimoto obviously doesn't care about Naruto anymore. He just wants it to end :/
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I'm gettin' Asthma Orange vibes.
I see Jesus no Jutsu can be used by anybody nowadays.
Kishimoto obviously doesn't care about Naruto anymore. He just wants it to end :/
True he is really wrapping things up. Even Sai and Omoi get a real fight. 2 male characters we do not give a damn. We did not even see Anko abilities. He must be having some serious issues with women at the moment.
At this rate, he is gonna end everything in february.
I expect a modicum of effort in the Thunder and Wind Gods' designs from Kishi.
! The picture book with Sai and Shin holding hands is..
Shin gradually crumbles. I finally saw the picture I wanted to see…
It seems the
It seems the picture of you is unravvelling the bindings of your soul...
A tear falls from Sai's eye.
Shin crumbles: Thank you...
This is absolutly hilarious, and why am i reading this shit?
This chapter is at least Glossy Black.
Naruto is so cool it has 600 billion naked Zetsus with armadillo penises dancing under a rainbow.
! The picture book with Sai and Shin holding hands is..
Shin gradually crumbles. I finally saw the picture I wanted to see…
It seems the
It seems the picture of you is unravvelling the bindings of your soul...
A tear falls from Sai's eye.
Shin crumbles: Thank you...This is absolutly hilarious, and why am i reading this shit?
This chapter is at least Glossy Black.
wait i didn't read that, are you fucking serious!!!!!!! fuck this if that's true fuckin A
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wait i didn't read that, are you fucking serious!!!!!!! fuck this if that's true fuckin A
thats true and it makes me wanna puke.
So…....this supposedly invincible zombie dies because a picture of him is destroyed or some crap?
Oy vey.
I thought it was more of an "unfinished business is finished" sort of thing personally.
"Danger is my middle name."
There goes all the argumentation about Edo Tensei being "broken".
guys I need your help for a minute.
With Thanksgiving being tomorrow it brings forth the day I hate most, the arrival of my Narutard cousin.
I need a list of reasons on why the manga sucks. Go. And please I want these reasons to make him want to kill himself. Thanks in advance.
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@The:
guys I need your help for a minute.
With Thanksgiving being tomorrow it brings forth the day I hate most, the arrival of my Narutard cousin.
I need a list of reasons on why the manga sucks. Go. And please I want these reasons to make him want to kill himself. Thanks in advance.
Just do it yourself.
Whether I mean make a list or kill him personally is up to you.
@The:
guys I need your help for a minute.
With Thanksgiving being tomorrow it brings forth the day I hate most, the arrival of my Narutard cousin.
I need a list of reasons on why the manga sucks. Go. And please I want these reasons to make him want to kill himself. Thanks in advance.
"So hey, how about that incest vibe between Naruto and his mom?"
600 billion armadillo penises
"How did you like the year of Kakashi?"
@The:
"How did you like the year of Kakashi?"
Well, he died once…
and I think that was it.
Sakura IS Sai's brother.
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There goes all the argumentation about Edo Tensei being "broken".
Yep, it can be beaten by casting a genjutsu on the user, incapacitating the zombie, binding the zombie's soul, or with friendship no jutsu.
So not only is it broken, it's gay.
I like that Deidara has a sensible plan. "I can use my ultimate nuke attack immediately and infinitely without any consequence, so… I think I'll do exactly that."
This is counterbalanced by Sai's brother revealing that thinking a happy thought or meeting someone you actually knew in life can easily destroy to zombie. So yeah. I guess most of the zombies, despite their power and immortality, will be basically useless since they're all going up against friends and family.
Friendship for the win?
Naruto Thread IV: The After Years.
@RobbyBevard:
I like that Deidara has a sensible plan. "I can use my ultimate nuke attack immediately and infinitely without any consequence, so… I think I'll do exactly that."
Here's the thing: Deidara could use that attack ad nauseum against the opposing army and wipe them all out pretty easily.
Unless they summon, hypnotize and hide inside a giant snake while it's happening.
This chapter is going to be horrible :sad: this sucks
