1-Doflamingo
2-Buggy
3-Bonney
4-Crocodile
5-Jimbe
Pre-Time Skip Characters Reappearance
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LOL Krieg
I love how (especially) in retrospective his plan for the Baratie was spectacularly stupid.Ah Krieg. His position in his first visit to the Grand Line was basically:
"I just didn't know enough! The Grand Line cheated! Gimmie da log book Zeff! WHAAAAA!"
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The whole Whitebeard Crew
It would be neat to see how they moved on
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Rob Lucci, Arlong, Enel, Gin, Kuro are MUST!!! ESP Enel!!! He was a small frog in a shallow well… Oda must have improved him during two year time skip and all he needs to do is to become hungry for not having hard enough fights on the *** moon. He has to reintruce him to show the real fear to the NW. And Rob Lucci was the best WG Agent they had so he has to let the world know that he came back to NW to spread the fear!!! They are gonna be big thing to deal for Marine and pirates who yet don't know them very much.
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I'm gonna laugh if Enel comes back and is a yonkou instead of blackbeard. If he was on the grandline he could pull it off
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I don't really want to see Enel. Kuro won't be showing up.
He said he couldn't stand being a pirate. Why would he try to make a name for himself in the New World? I don't find it likely for Arlong to pop up, but there are many signs.
Him being mentioned in Impel Down, reintroduction of Hachi, and of course the Sea Cow.
Gin was very powerful. He cracked that Iron Wall on pearl, that was incredibly thick metal.It wouldn't make sense that Arlong got much stronger. He was a Pirate for quite a while. Now Gin wanted to become stronger so it is likely he is.
Kuro was last shown on his old ship with his old crew contemplating after Luffy's beat down and friendship speech about what it means being a pirate.
My guess is he's alive and well and will be making a reappearance in some fashion before the series is through.
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Kuro was last shown on his old ship with his old crew contemplating after Luffy's beat down and friendship speech about what it means being a pirate.
I think that was only in the anime though.
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^ It was anime only.
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I would love to see Enel kicking people's asses and everyone being really afraid of him. But then Luffy shows up and Enel gets this weird face as in "oh shit, he's here!?". Luffy takes a long good look at him with his "hmmmmm" face and cant recognize him. :D
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Hachi and Mohmoo were brought back because, hmm… they were actually likeable villains. The only good thing about Arlong was how he cared about his nakama instead of considering them fodder, but that only puts him a notch above Spandam.
People always misunderstand Arlong as an every day sadist villain. As a violent extremist member of an abused minority, he really had a lot more depth than that. His enslavement of Nami and the imposed life tax on cocoyashi village are mirrored by the enslavement of fishmen and the subjugation of FI by pirates and WG alike. His assertions of racial superiority, hatred of humans, and callousness toward human suffering can all be explained by the genocidal abuse he received at the hands of humans his entire life.
Remember that there are elements in the WG who want the entire race of fishmen exterminated or enslaved. He bears the tattoo of a former slave and has experienced being treated as a subhuman first hand. His dream to turn the tables on humans with a violent fishman supremacist movement was foolish, morally corrupt, and inherently self destructive. However, it is easy to relate to the enslaved revenging themselves against their oppressors.
So, there's more depth to Arlong than for other One Piece villains like Spandam, Kuro, or Croc. Instead of the megalomaniacal self aggrandizement seen by Luffy's competition on the Grandline, he was fulfilling an elaborate revenge strategy against the WG and the human race. There are plenty of real world parallels to this struggle, from the foundation of Haiti through the various backlashes against colonialism worldwide. There aren't any "good guys" in most of those histories and we can expect Oda to add a similar moral complexity to this situation.
Because Arlong WILL be a factor in the upcoming arc. There have been too many reminders recently of the racial strife between Mariejoa and FI. Nami's response to Hacchi's return and her increased empathy after seeing the slave house have been leading to this. So have the introduction of the heroism of Fisher Tiger, Jinbe as an ally, and the slaver enforced segregation of Shabondy.
Even if he doesn't make an appearance, the defeat of Arlong's Fishman Independence Movement by Luffy will be a major point of strife down there. Will he fight the violent extremists or side with them against the WG? Will he ally himself with a group that is callous towards human life, or callous towards Fishman life? Reconciling all parties in an Alabasta happy go lucky way won't be an option I predict.
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Boiga, you pictured Arlong rly damn good.
But afterall all this new facettes of his chara(knowing the past of fishman) appeared for us readers first after knowing how fishman were treated by the WG at Shabondy.We were introduced to them as a race which is 10times stronger than normal humans and by that thinking of itself as the superior race.
Nice twist that in the end fishman were actually treated like that since a long time.I think Oda did a rly clever joy in first showing us one side, but afterall now with more facettes we understand more what was going on.But about Arlong giving all the hatred back to innocent people is in my eyes just another facette of this chara(Arlong himself), who sure has hatred towards humans because of his past, but still his character let him act like he did. (trying to conquer the world, killing everyone who is against him, slavering a whole village)
The only moment i may see his hatred towards humans because of his treatment as a fishman is when he kills off Bellemere.
She was a marine(the ones who most likely treated him worse..((is also the reason why so many fishman join the Sunny-pirates)) and even when she just tried to protect her children, he had here no mercy at all.But Arlong has still to be seen as evil bastard, because afterall he was kicked out of the Sunny-crew, because he had a much more brutal chara than suitable for a fishman, even counting his most likely sad past.
Thats why i rly doubt that we may see him with the SH fighting against the WG.
He would more join the opposite side and fighting every human, because he is just like the people from the WG.
He sees HIS race as superior and he also doesn`t accept humans as anything more than slaves who work for him.(Even someone like Nami he kind of respected was treated a bit more friendly so that she keeps producing sea maps.) -
Because Arlong WILL be a factor in the upcoming arc. There have been too many reminders recently of the racial strife between Mariejoa and FI. Nami's response to Hacchi's return and her increased empathy after seeing the slave house have been leading to this. So have the introduction of the heroism of Fisher Tiger, Jinbe as an ally, and the slaver enforced segregation of Shabondy.
Even if he doesn't make an appearance, the defeat of Arlong's Fishman Independence Movement by Luffy will be a major point of strife down there. Will he fight the violent extremists or side with them against the WG? Will he ally himself with a group that is callous towards human life, or callous towards Fishman life? Reconciling all parties in an Alabasta happy go lucky way won't be an option I predict.
Well said. Your whole post, really, but I endorse this view. I'm not too high on Arlong actually reappearing in this arc, but that doesn't mean he can't make a huge impact anyway. I fully expect that he will.
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I don't see how Arlong could reappear I am pretty sure Hacchi said that he was the only one that avoided being arrested.
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As a violent extremist member of an abused minority, he really had a lot more depth than that.
I don't doubt he has more depth, I was talking about his actions as a whole.
His assertions of racial superiority, hatred of humans, and callousness toward human suffering can all be explained by the genocidal abuse he received at the hands of humans his entire life.
We don't really know much about Arlong's past. I guess you could say it was hinted it was tragic since his child silhouette did appear in Hachi's flashback, but we really don't know. He could have been an extremist since the start. I mean, look at Macro. He's a fishman and a former Sunny member yet he had no problem bowing before humans and kidnapping fellow fishmen.
Remember that there are elements in the WG who want the entire race of fishmen exterminated or enslaved.
Not really. I don't think the WG as a whole wants fishmen to be all enslaved, but they feel the Tenryuubito should have all the fishmen slaves they want without opposition. I would compare them more to the likes of Rush Limbaugh - someone who insists they're not racist and probably doesn't think they are, yet clearly shows it. As much as I know that jackass is racist, I don't think he's pro-slavery or pro-segregation at all. It's more like they believe in the "fishmen are violent" stereotype and can't wrap their minds around that not being true.
He bears the tattoo of a former slave and has experienced being treated as a subhuman first hand.
We don't know if Arlong was a former slave, not all Sunny Pirates were. I doubt Hachi was, for one. I doubt Macro and his crew were either.
Because Arlong WILL be a factor in the upcoming arc. There have been too many reminders recently of the racial strife between Mariejoa and FI. Nami's response to Hacchi's return and her increased empathy after seeing the slave house have been leading to this. So have the introduction of the heroism of Fisher Tiger, Jinbe as an ally, and the slaver enforced segregation of Shabondy.
I don't doubt Arlong will be a factor, I just don't think he'll reappear in the flesh.
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Arlong coming back into the flesh is about as likely as Croc and Buggy coming back…..oh wait.
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Arlong coming back into the flesh is about as likely as Croc and Buggy coming back…..oh wait.
Croc and Buggy got out of prison. We have no reason to believe Arlong did too in whatever prison he is in.
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I'd say that Jinbei will apologize to Nami for what Arlong did, and that's all. Oda has probably planned this arc for years, so I think that we're going to have plenty of new things, so there is no need for Arlong to return.
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I'd say that Jinbei will apologize to Nami for what Arlong did, and that's all. Oda has probably planned this arc for years, so I think that we're going to have plenty of new things, so there is no need for Arlong to return.
and why do you think he wants to Apologize to Nami? Obviously, Jimbei wants Arlong on sunny!!! because maybe he has a reason to hate humans and Jim wants him to be cured by adventuring with them or something… Jimbei is not the type of person who says "I am SH wannabe" he works alone!!!
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My memory is a little rusty on this but didn't Jimbei apologize to Luffy?
When Luffy first got down to the level where Ace was, Jimbei said that he was sorry for the things Arlong did.I am hoping I am remembering this properly. Didn't Jimbei state that?
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Actually chapter 549
He does not say it to Luffy it is only in his mind that he is greatful but notes that now it is not the time to be thinking/dealing with that
here is a scan (although the translation I think is not the best one)
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2656-8/one-piece/chapter-549.html
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My memory is a little rusty on this but didn't Jimbei apologize to Luffy?
When Luffy first got down to the level where Ace was, Jimbei said that he was sorry for the things Arlong did.I am hoping I am remembering this properly. Didn't Jimbei state that?
No. What you're thinking of was when they were on the warship between Impel Down and Marineford. Jinbe had some internal monologue about how he had more things to thank and apologize to Luffy for (accompanied by a picture of Arlong), but continued on to say that it wasn't the right time for that.
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The sea cow thing coming back is enough evidence for that we'll be seeing more Arlong pirate members in Fishman island somehow.
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Seriously, if you can't feel for Arlong after the SA arc you people have no empathy. I'm not saying what he did was right, but honestly come on, the guy's race has been oppressed by humans for as long as anyone can remember and people expect to not have the oppressed fight back?
I'm not even saying Arlong will change his character, if he makes a reappearance, as much as I would like that. However, don't hate the guy for what he did, there was clearly a set-up for his character, and he didn't do it just because he felt like it, like majority of the other villains we have seen, he did it because he had serious hatred towards humans for how his kind had been treated.
Boiga said it much better, go back and read his post as well.
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I was thinking about the fact that Oda usually manages to surprise most of us, so I tried to think up some of the most unlikely sounding character reappearances I could just on the off chance that I strike gold! Feel free to rip them apart.
Kuro - Reappears as a member of the Navy or a CP unit. He did manage to trick a village for three years so it's not completely out of the question that he could fool the Navy into thinking he's some nice dude who wants to do his bit for justice. A nice little Navy job could maybe even give him peace of mind too, he does love that sort of thing.
Crocodile - Also gave up on being a pirate and opened a chain of entertainment related bars. Mr 1 works as a bouncer.
Arlong - Enslaved by the Caribou crew along with Momoo. Very ironic I think (and massively unlikely haha)
Krieg - Appears at Fishman Island fighting for domination over the fishmen and generally being a dick.
Gaimon - Has been causing chaos in East Blue with his army of trained killer animals.
Also, randomly, but it was never stated what Kaya's parents were like. They could have been doctors or important officials or something. Wild speculation I know, but maybe Oda could do something with that. What if Kaya is actually Nami's sister! haha
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Luffy wouldn't remember them. He couldn't remember the names of Alvida or Buggy at Loguetown.
You need to reread the serie…Of course Luffy remembered their names. Luffy's reaction when seeing Buggy was : "oh it's just buggy" and Alvida he didn't recognized her (but who would have ?), but he remembered her, reacting when someone said her name.
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Croc and Buggy got out of prison. We have no reason to believe Arlong did too in whatever prison he is in.
Arlong has been referenced too many times since SA for him not to show up. Two year timeskip mean his back injury and imprisonment are ancient history.
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I confused Anime and manga there. I watched and read them pretty close together.
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Seriously, if you can't feel for Arlong after the SA arc you people have no empathy. I'm not saying what he did was right, but honestly come on, the guy's race has been oppressed by humans for as long as anyone can remember and people expect to not have the oppressed fight back?
I'm not even saying Arlong will change his character, if he makes a reappearance, as much as I would like that. However, don't hate the guy for what he did, there was clearly a set-up for his character, and he didn't do it just because he felt like it, like majority of the other villains we have seen, he did it because he had serious hatred towards humans for how his kind had been treated.
Boiga said it much better, go back and read his post as well.
Instead of going after the people that deserve it (slave traders, pirates, government, nobles) he terrorized a small village of destitute people who have nothing to do with the oppression of fish. Also if he didn't do it because he felt like it does that mean he was obligated to attack them? It looks like he just wanted to boost his ego by ruling over a remote village full of helpless people. I'd like to see him pull that shit on SA. He's a cut and dry coward who uses the oppression of fishmen as justification to attack any human he wants. I'll bet he wasn't even a slave.
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Arlong never justified what he did. These facts weren't presented to us until SA. Nami didn't even know there were Fishman Slaves.
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@Superbear:
The sea cow thing coming back is enough evidence for that we'll be seeing more Arlong pirate members in Fishman island somehow.
No, it's not.
Seriously, if you can't feel for Arlong after the SA arc you people have no empathy. I'm not saying what he did was right, but honestly come on, the guy's race has been oppressed by humans for as long as anyone can remember and people expect to not have the oppressed fight back?
If anything it kinda makes him a hypocrite.
Yeah I do feel some empathy for him, and he's definitely above most villains in the series for actually having some background, but that doesn't mean he'll be redeemed. I'm thinking like one character has a flashback of the Sunny days and a young Arlong along with several other fishmen explain why they hate humans and why they want to join the Sunny crew - his sister was taken away by slavers or something. Still, I think that if he was going to reappear Oda would have dropped us a clue or something - something more obvious than Mohmoo.Arlong has been referenced too many times since SA for him not to show up. Two year timeskip mean his back injury and imprisonment are ancient history.
He's been referenced because fishmen discrimination has been a major theme. It's like talking about racism without bringing up the Nazis up. Of course they're going to be brought up.
@Mr.:
Instead of going after the people that deserve it (slave traders, pirates, government, nobles) he terrorized a small village of destitute people who have nothing to do with the oppression of fish. Also if he didn't do it because he felt like it does that mean he was obligated to attack them? It looks like he just wanted to boost his ego by ruling over a remote village full of helpless people. I'd like to see him pull that shit on SA. He's a cut and dry coward who uses the oppression of fishmen as justification to attack any human he wants. I'll bet he wasn't even a slave.
Pretty much this.
And I don't think he was a slave either, Arlong is probably in his late 20s. If he was a slave he must have been taken in as a child (after the age he appeared in Hachi's flashback) and only been there a few years like Hancock. -
No, it's not.
The character reappearance act isn't that hard to follow.
Hatchan appears
Hatchan alerts the crew that Arlong and the gang are in jail
Hancock relates to Luffy about how fisher Tiger was a fighter against slavery and started the sun pirates
Jinbe appears mentions Arlong
The weird hair brothers out of consequence just happen to have Mohmoo pulling their boat.
These events aren't banter; they unfold into a plot or history that will take place on Fishman Island.
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Mohmoo being there isn't that surprising, though… Think about it. It may come from fishman island since it was with Arlong.
So it could be a coincidence. But yeah, I do think Arlong will reappear, even if I'm not sure I'll like it. -
Why not Hacchi, why all the Arlong talk?
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Because Hachi is fulfilled making Takoyaki
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@Superbear:
The character reappearance act isn't that hard to follow.
Hatchan appears
Hatchan alerts the crew that Arlong and the gang are in jail
Hancock relates to Luffy about how fisher Tiger was a fighter against slavery and started the sun pirates
Jinbe appears mentions Arlong
The weird hair brothers out of consequence just happen to have Mohmoo pulling their boat.
These events aren't banter; they unfold into a plot or history that will take place on Fishman Island.
I know what will happen in fishman island, and I'm absolutely sure it will involve the former sunny pirates and the whole slavery issue.
Mohmoo pulling the boat doesn't mean anything. We all know Oda loves reusing old characters.
I just don't see Arlong coming back. He will be brought up, that's for sure. Maybe his past explained, but I think that if Oda would have wanted Arlong to reappear in the flesh, he would have dropped us a far bigger hint that he'd reappear. I'm sure that if Arlong was running around in Fishman Island, Hachi would have known about it. -
I think when we see caimie again, she won't be the same "I get captured all the time Caimie" I think she will have taken measures to get stronger and hold her own.
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I think when we see caimie again, she won't be the same "I get captured all the time Caimie" I think she will have taken measures to get stronger and hold her own.
I really can't see that happening.
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I highly doubt Caimie got stronger. She seemed to be a rather clumsy female. I think she was the equivalent of Tashigi, but no awesome swordsmanship.
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Hachi would have known about it.
He said they were all in prison, and seeing as how we had a grand tour of impel down and they were nowhere to be found I suspect they're on Fishman island.
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I really can't see that happening.
I can't either. Considering her enormous crush on Hatchan, I don't think she minds getting rescued by him all the time.
@Superbear:
He said they were all in prison, and seeing as how we had a grand tour of impel down and they were nowhere to be found I suspect they're on Fishman island.
Impel Down isn't the only prison in the world. They could be in an East Blue prison for all we know.
Plus I think ID is only for pirates caught on the GL.
I'm sure that if Arlong was around causing a scandal in Fishman Island Hachi would have known about it. If he is in FI, he must have only recently gotten out of prison, or laying low. Laying low isn't exactly Arlong's style though.Don't get me wrong, I'd love Arlong to come back. In fact my ideal scene would be a Hachi vs. Arlong battle, where Hachi confronts Arlong about the whole East blue scenario. Hachi then loses, or is about to lose when NNfishperson butts in and defeats Arlong. That would be awesome.
But I am being realistic.
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Arlong, the "Magneto" of the One Piece universe.
Also, would anybody else like to see Kuro as a Warlord?
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no I don't want to see anymore fodder villains
Edit: reacquiring ones that is
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I know what will happen in fishman island, and I'm absolutely sure it will involve the former sunny pirates and the whole slavery issue.
Mohmoo pulling the boat doesn't mean anything. We all know Oda loves reusing old characters.
I just don't see Arlong coming back. He will be brought up, that's for sure. Maybe his past explained, but I think that if Oda would have wanted Arlong to reappear in the flesh, he would have dropped us a far bigger hint that he'd reappear. I'm sure that if Arlong was running around in Fishman Island, Hachi would have known about it.I dunno Mohmoo seems like a pretty damn big hint to me…
Arlong, the "Magneto" of the One Piece universe.
Also, would anybody else like to see Kuro as a Warlord?
First: how is Arlong the Magneto of OP (I haven't read a marval comic in I don't know how long and can't remember much about the fellow).
Second: NO!
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I dunno Mohmoo seems like a pretty damn big hint to me…
When it comes to characters reappearing Oda is not subtle at all. Most characters that have reappeared have pretty much outright said they wanted to meet Luffy again for whatever reason. Crocodile reappeared because it was obvious he'd be in Impel Down as a GL pirate and shichibukai.
And I refuse to believe Mohmoo is a hint of any kind. I think you're over-analyzing his appearance.
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how is Arlong the Magneto of OP (I haven't read a marval comic in I don't know how long and can't remember much about the fellow).
Magnegto is a sypathetic villain whose sad past (holocost survior) causes readers to look over the terrible deeds he is currently committing in the present.
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Magnegto is a sypathetic villain whose sad past (holocost survior) causes readers to look over the terrible deeds he is currently committing in the present.
Ahhh, that would explain my lack of comprehension. I never cared about his past, and never gave to thoughts to his current actions. I was just irritated by how stupid he was.
I refuse to believe Mohmoo is a hint of any kind. I think you're over-analyzing his appearance.
shrug well if you refuse to believe it, you refuse to believe it, and there's not much more to be said.
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When it comes to characters reappearing Oda is not subtle at all. Most characters that have reappeared have pretty much outright said they wanted to meet Luffy again for whatever reason. Crocodile reappeared because it was obvious he'd be in Impel Down as a GL pirate and shichibukai.
And I refuse to believe Mohmoo is a hint of any kind. I think you're over-analyzing his appearance.
That is retarded. This is basically in your face "ARLONE IS COMING BACK" type of hint and you just think its a coincidence. That is like saying the chapter you see Hattori or Richie again you don't expect Lucci and Buggy to follow.
Your thinking is just as bad and confounding as all those people who adamantly believed Moria died in Don's attack. There is greater chance Sabo is actually dead than Arlong not showing up shortly after arriving at FI.
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That is retarded. This is basically in your face "ARLONE IS COMING BACK" type of hint and you just think its a coincidence. That is like saying the chapter you see Hattori or Richie again you don't expect Lucci and Buggy to follow.
If it were Chew or Kuroobi I would agree, but you're saying as if Mohmoo not being in prison is a hint Arlong isn't either. Mohmoo is an animal.
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You're thinking in terms of plot. Arlong may have never seen Mohmoo since Luffy tossed him away from Arlong park. Nothing to do with why anybody thinks Arlong is showing his face soon.
Oda and any good author does not reference a character multiple times for superfluous reasons. Which is exactly what you're making out of Mohmoo's reappearance. Authors drop these hints because they know what readers are going to envision the very instant they see something related to an old character.
Since SA then its been nothing but references to Arlong. Why do you believe Arlong's story is going to be limited to only second hand accounts of his experience with slavers with no input from the man himself?
Hell when people first saw Rayleigh people guessed Buggy would reappear shortly with far less reason to believe so and it still happened. Oda in this case has been anything but subtle in letting us know our first major arc villain is returning.
I'm sure that if Arlong was around causing a scandal in Fishman Island Hachi would have known about it. If he is in FI, he must have only recently gotten out of prison, or laying low. Laying low isn't exactly Arlong's style though.
Hachi can't tell the future. Its been 2 years. Arlong could have gotten back to FI at any point after the war and the current chapter. What is this about a scandal? You realize he'll be trying to help solve FI problems. Part of his character is that he actually cares for his men, which implies his people too.
But I am being realistic.
Not even remotely.