Disney did make the hunchback of notre dame.
This isn't exactly great strides from that.
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That is to say, Hunchback was also awkward as fuck, because in-between things like Hellfire they had juvenile and out of place gargoyle antics, a similar problem with Hercules's muses. I'd attribute it more to the 90s if anything.
I'm actually looking forward to Mort to see how it goes. I feel optimistic.
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@Gigglepuffy:
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I've always loved that that song boils down to" Dear God, kill this woman, because I lust for her"
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@Gigglepuffy:
a similar problem with Hercules's muses. I'd attribute it more to the 90s if anything.
The muses are more fun if you just pretend its the sequal to Little Shop of Horrors.
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I never had a problem with the Muses. I mean…
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Their eyes disturb me
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@Gigglepuffy:
That is to say, Hunchback was also awkward as fuck, because in-between things like Hellfire they had juvenile and out of place gargoyle antics, a similar problem with Hercules's muses. I'd attribute it more to the 90s if anything.
I'm actually looking forward to Mort to see how it goes. I feel optimistic.
Yeah, but they were juvenile because they were part of quasimodo's imagination, right? They just reflected him.
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Disney did make the hunchback of notre dame.
This isn't exactly great strides from that.
Well. the Discworld is based on Pratchetts incredible characterization, twisty turny plots, and deep themes/messages…I just don't see that translating into a disney movie well. I mean, imagine Vimes - only wihout the smoking, drinking, inner rage and bastardous attitude.
And hunchbacks main story didn't revolve around Death and death. -
Disney did make the hunchback of notre dame.
This isn't exactly great strides from that.
Fair enough, but…
They pretty much took 90% of the complexity of the book, though.
They also gave generic archetypes to each character, Hunchback the good, Frollo the evil, Esmeralda the kind, when you wouldn't be able to find such archetypes on the actual book.BTW, that book saddens me a fucking lot, derp
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@The:
Well. the Discworld is based on Pratchetts incredible characterization, twisty turny plots, and deep themes/messages…I just don't see that translating into a disney movie well. I mean, imagine Vimes - only wihout the smoking, drinking, inner rage and bastardous attitude.
And hunchbacks main story didn't revolve around Death and death.Meh, they'l probably be able to suck up all the complexity of that book too, never read it, but I can see it happening
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The muses weren't horrible, remember most of the characters in that movie were slapstick, especially Hades and his demon minions.
I'm surprised Disney's doing an animated Discworld, I haven't read it myself but I'm aware of it due to comparisons with other fantasy stuff I've played (Rincewind is Rance^-1). Given their track record, I'd have pegged it as another shoddy LA/CGI adaption, like what Artemis Fowl is going to get.
Let's also not forget we're due for an Angelina Joile-led Maleficent which'll come off with the commanding presence of Jessica Alba's Susan Storm in Fantastic Four.
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@The:
Well. the Discworld is based on Pratchetts incredible characterization, twisty turny plots, and deep themes/messages…I just don't see that translating into a disney movie well. I mean, imagine Vimes - only wihout the smoking, drinking, inner rage and bastardous attitude.
And hunchbacks main story didn't revolve around Death and death.But Discworld shows there's an afterlife(multiple ones it seems from later books) so it's not exactly all doom & gloom on that score.
I think I might go back and rewatch wyrd sisters and soul music, see how well those adaptations came across, as it's been years since I last saw them.
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I just wanna see Vetinari, Lipwig, Vimes and the wizards at UU animated with typical pixar goodness.
Nutt is starting to enter a special place in my heart too if he keeps up his awesomeness by the end of UA:)
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But Discworld shows there's an afterlife(multiple ones it seems from later books) so it's not exactly all doom & gloom on that score.
I'll grant you that, but the most common one is "walk for ages alone in a dark desert". Not the most uplifting afterlife. And in the early novels, Death wasn't as big a softie as he became later; at the climax, there's timers breaking left and right without him caring. Plus, Disney usually off-screens death; silhouttes, falling from great heights etc. A whole movie of that would really grate on my nerves.
I'm not saying I didn't thouroughly enjoy Hunchback, Hercules and the like, but it just requires a complete overhaul and re-imagining of the source material to make it work. I need to see it to believe it.
But if it'd been Pixar adapting the Wee Free Men, I'd be all aboard.
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I think that was more Pratchett still finding his feet - something I don't think he really did until "Guards! Guards!".
I guess we'll have to wait for the first trailer to see where they're going with this.
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if you dont like the muses from Hercules, then you are a racist and also unAmerican
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How can anyone not like the Muses? They're the best part of the movie.
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@RobbyBevard:
It still makes me sad that my Disney Villians poster doens't have Hades on it.
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if you dont like the muses from Hercules, then you are a racist and also unAmerican
Seriously, how can anyone hate 'Zero to Hero'. Such a fun song!
I dare someone to call out to a crowd, "Who put the 'glad' in Gladiator" and see how many people respond with the correct answer!
@RobbyBevard:
I like Hades and James Wood, but I liked the muses a bit more, honestly.
And although I'm saddened that NostalChick doesn't like Hercules, she had a good point in saying that Hades was a very good sport as a villain. He DID keep his deals.
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The funny thing about Hercules is that Hades ended up being the most faithful and least faithful to the myths at the same time.
Still third greatest Disney villain.
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And although I'm saddened that NostalChick doesn't like Hercules, she had a good point in saying that Hades was a very good sport as a villain. He DID keep his deals.
Well, as any Classics major would tell you, Hades wasn't the Devil. He was the lord of the Underworld, not the epitome of evil. Hell, you could say that out of his brothers, he's the nice one.
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Slytherin all the way, baby~
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The funny thing about Hercules is that Hades ended up being the most faithful and least faithful to the myths at the same time.
Still third greatest Disney villain.
Who's first and second?
I'll take take a guess and say scar & jafar.
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lol. Well it's not like he was overtly virtuous, but he was always just, and concerned with maintaining balance.
The biggest blot on his record was Persephone. (which I'm always sad Disney didn't include. That would have been hilarious to see the wily Hades with a headstrong wife)
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Who's first and second?
I'll take take a bad guess and say scar & jafar.
Fuck that
- Maleficent
- Frollo
- Hades
- Scar
- Ursula
- Chernabog
- Jafar
- Dr. Facilier
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@Cyan:
Fuck that
- Maleficent
- Frollo
- Hades
- Scar
- Ursula
- Chernabog
- Jafar
- Dr. Facilier
Switch places of Maleficent and Frollo, and take away Chernabog, and you got my list. Pretty much.
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@Cyan:
Fuck that
- Maleficent
- Frollo
- Hades
- Scar
- Ursula
- Chernabog
- Jafar
- Dr. Facilier
Usula and malificent were great, but really played down till the the grand finale. Which is a little disappointing when you want your moneys worth of overflowing evil.
Hence why I'd rate scar & jafar a little higher than them. Though I'll probably end up continuously juggling that list about whenever I watched a disney marathon.
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lol. Well it's not like he was overtly virtuous, but he was always just, and concerned with maintaining balance.
The biggest blot on his record was Persephone. (which I'm always sad Disney didn't include. That would have been hilarious to see the wily Hades with a headstrong wife)
You don't have to be kind to be kinder than someone else. xD Just less brutal.
I see Hades and Persephone arguing all day long, probably annoying the rest of the residents of the Underworld. I don't really know why. xD And I can totally see Pain and Panic freaking out trying to decide who's orders they should follow. 'But he said do it–! But she said don't--!'
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@Cyan:
Fuck that
- Maleficent
- Frollo
- Hades
- Scar
- Ursula
- Chernabog
- Jafar
- Dr. Facilier
I'm so proud. I was seriously going to say, "Please tell me that #1 is Maleficent, and #2 was Frollo", but then I thought, "I'll most likely be shot down for thinking something so stupid".
Funk! Have a cigar!
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My picks are Yzma for most entertaining and for being too cool for the Disney Fall (that, and have any of you ever had to handle an angry cat?):
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Jafar for best style:
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And Judge Doom:
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Disclaimer: I pretty much love all Disney Villains, these are just the ones that I find to match my personal tastes. Hades, Scar, Maleficent, etc., they're all still awesome. -
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I'm so proud. I was seriously going to say, "Please tell me that #1 is Maleficent, and #2 was Frollo", but then I thought, "I'll most likely be shot down for thinking something so stupid".
Funk! Have a cigar!
I already have one.
@Cuddles:(that, and have any of you ever had to handle an angry cat?)
Yes.
I punted the fucker halfway to Brooklyn.
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We're ranking Disney villains now?
- Maleficent
- The Horned King
- Hades
- Frollo
- Captain Hook
- Dr. Facilier
- Jafar
- Cruella de Vil
Honorary Mentions:
Prince John; of all the Disney villains, I think he's the most seriously messed up in the head.
The Stagecoach Driver from Pinocchio.
Alamida Slim; shame about the rest of the movie though.Complicating things since 2009.
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Ooooh, ranking Disney villains?
1. Maleficent (forever and always, she's the Queen)
2. Ursula (she has the best song)
3. Lady Tremaine (classy, understated evil)
4. Jafar (best crazy laugh)
5. Rattigan (it's Vincent Price, what's not to love?)
6. Frollo (Hellfire, I'm still amazed this got left in)
7. Gaston (has the funniest song)
8. Hades (James Woods at his best)
9. Cruella DeVil (a cultural icon all her own)
10. Dr. Facillier/Scar (a tie between two smooth criminals with awesome voices)Honorable mention: That rat from Lady and the Tramp. Seriously, that thing scared the shit out of me as a kid; Man, from Bambi, for having a creepy-ass, Jaws-esque theme (seriously, it's the three note version of the Jaws theme, listen to it).
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In terms of power,
Genie Jafar > Chernabog = Hades > Maleficent = Trident Ursula = Sorcerer Jafar = Dr. Facilier > The Horned King = Jafar = Yzma = Ursula >> everyone else
In terms of evil,
Frollo > Scar > Hades = Jafar = Cruella > The Sheriff of Nottingham > too tough to call
Maleficent's portrayal seemed less "evil" and more "woman" to me. It's hard to describe, but she always came off as a bitter, lonely and spiteful lady rather than a purely evil being. Look no further to how she treated her crow to see a softer side. Given how Walt Disney depicted female villains in his films, it always felt wrong to call Maleficient pure evil. It's like calling women evil because they can feel insulted or slighted.
Hades, Jafar, and Cruella were capable and willing to kill people, but never did. Scar takes this one step further by not only succeeding, he killed his brother to top it off. Prince John was childish and impish, not really pure villain material - his sheriff was more menacing as the unsympathetic, brutal enforcer of an obviously corrupt man. Prince John may not have had the capacity to understand what he was doing was wrong. But the Sheriff did, but didn't care either way.
I don't know where to place Chernabog - he's a demon god of darkness who raises and destroys the dead, but didn't do anything particularly villainous in his one appearance.
Most of the other villains had one really strong vice that dominated their personality (Gaston - narcissism, Ratcliffe - greed, etc.) and so can't really be ranked unless those vices can be ranked. I'm indifferent to any such hierarchy. I'd call such villains "lesser", they're almost 1D masses of antagonism rather than full-fledged characters.
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Maleficent's portrayal seemed less "evil" and more "woman" to me.
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Let me put it this way - I don't think her portrayal would have resonated as strongly if Maleficient was a man instead of a woman. Disney allegedly had a mother complex and so portrayed all of his female villains as possessing the same set of negative female personality stereotypes. I feel Maleficent is more of a character than The Queen or Lady Tremaine were, but she didn't escape the same negative portrayal those two ended up with.
Take the opening scene, for example. Maleficent is pissed off at not being invited to Aurora's christening. Two scenarios open up - 1) she set the stage to not get invited, just so she could have an excuse to cause chaos and fear by showing up and cursing the baby or 2) she was deeply offended that the other faeries were invited and she wasn't, and came out of spite.
Perhaps it's the attorney in me, but motive plays a big role when I think about how "evil" a character is supposed to be. Action plays a part, but an action without the proper motive isn't as serious a crime. If Maleficent really did follow #2 she's less of a villain than people hyper her up to be.
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Ooooh, ranking Disney villains?
5. Rattigan (it's Vincent Price, what's not to love?)I knew I was forgetting somebody.
Another Honorable Mention: Sykes from Oliver and Company.
Frollo > Scar > Hades = Jafar = Cruella > The Sheriff of Nottingham > too tough to call
Outside of Hades, I'm not really seeing how any of these people top the Horned King having an army of murderers and graverobbers create a mountain of corpses so that he can resurrect them as an undead army to conquer Prydain with.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Outside of Hades, I'm not really seeing how any of these people top the Horned King having an army of murderers and graverobbers create a mountain of corpses so that he can resurrect them as an undead army to conquer Prydain with.
I don't see necromancy as inherently evil, and The Horned King's desire for conquest/power doesn't really leapfrog him (in my eyes) over other Disney villains with similar motives. He looks like a villain, and does things typical of them…but while he might be effective at instilling fear in children, it's not enough of a package for me to call him one of the greats.
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Another Honorable Mention: Sykes from Oliver and Company.
Sykes might have been more menacing when I was younger, but really he goes around terrorizing hobos and children
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Did anyone mention Ratigan?
He's cool.The golden one claims a vacant throne. The crown of light will bring only darkness.
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I don't see necromancy as inherently evil.
never change, terek.
Lest we forget everyone's favorite necromancer.
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I think the only villain thats been missed is Percival McLeach.
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Sykes might have been more menacing when I was younger, but really he goes around terrorizing hobos and children
I meant to write a note about his Honorable Mention being more for design than anything else since in terms of sheer evil, he's really far down the list. He's one of the largest human villains Disney ever made and one of the very few that looks like he could take people apart with his bare hands.
I don't see necromancy as inherently evil,
Traditional necromancy where the soul or body was brought back for the purpose of answering questions and then released is one thing. Resurrecting people with the express intent of creating an army of the damned tends to fall on the evil side of the spectrum.
and The Horned King's desire for conquest/power doesn't really leapfrog him (in my eyes) over other Disney villains with similar motives.
Sure, he obviously sent out that army of the undead to deliver fruit baskets and not to kill every person in Prydain so that they too could be resurrected as ghoulish abominations. Even if he did, that's not any worse than fratricide like Scar or not really killing anybody like Jafar did… wait, what?
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Sykes was the second best part about Oliver and Company.
The main best thing was Billy Joel.
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I think the only villain thats been missed is Percival McLeach.
Biggest bastard according to my childhood. Loved it.
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I'm a little late to the party on the whole villains ranking. But, here goes:
1. Hades
2. Gaston
3. Sher Khan
4. Frollo
5. Jafar
6. McLeach
7. Scar
8. Shan Yu
9. Yzma
10. Maleficent (I've only seen Sleeping Beauty twice, so that's what she's not as high on the list as most of you. Still, she was one of the only good things about that movie.Honorable mentions: Sykes, Prince John, and Ursula.
I still haven't seen Princess and the Frog yet, but Dr. Facillier really does look like an awesome villain.
