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The Official Politics Thread
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Finally a thread i love!
1st)What is the difference between the DP and RP?
2nd)Which party has the donkey and which the elphant? -
D: Liberal, Pro-choice, Ass
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Speaking of that, why did they pick such random animals?
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Tommy Nast invented those symbols, I think to emphasize both good and bad sides of each party. Like a lot of Nast's cartoons, they were so popular they ended up sticking. :O
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Hey RoboBlue, why can't I ever contact you on IRC?
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Speaking of that, why did they pick such random animals?
That is one thing I don't like. I consider myself to be mostly democratic except on a few issues (I'm pro-life), but I don't like the donkey symbol. I'd rather have an elephant represent my party. Heck, I'd rather have a giraffe represent my party. Although, it does remind of this one funny bumper sticker I saw recently, it said "Be a smart-ass and vote democrat" or something to that extent.
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To be honest, I refuse to register to vote with one party in particular. I dislike Republicans because of Bush and what McCain would have potentially done to the country, but there's a chance there could be a Bush-like democrat one of these days and I don't want to associate with someone like that either. Therefore, I choose to be politically neutral and vote for specifically what I agree with more.
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Im Democratic(soyouallknow)!Thanks for the info you guys!
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I'm pretty much a Libertarian myself. Voted for Bob Barr in this last election.
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@Hakuro:
To be honest, I refuse to register to vote with one party in particular. I dislike Republicans because of Bush and what McCain would have potentially done to the country, but there's a chance there could be a Bush-like democrat one of these days and I don't want to associate with someone like that either. Therefore, I choose to be politically neutral and vote for specifically what I agree with more.
This is essentially my standpoint even though I registered democrat.
No one should forget the possibility of ones side of the political spectrum warping into a horrible beast of cognitive dissonance and cowardly debating with a strong sense of persecution and no sense of self introspection.Laugh at the modern republican party if you want, but don't think it can't happen to the left. It sure as hell can.
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Hey, this thread was cool. Why'd it die?
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Because politics are boring ;)
But seriously it's probably because when an issue comes up, people create their own thread for that issue
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Because there is already a thread.
Also anyone who says Politics are boring needs to grow the fuck up.
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Polictics are boring needs more stuff about pirate comic books featuring rubber guy.
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I would classify myself as a liberal, but I hate to do it, as classification means division, and this country is already divided as fuck.
I used to be all gung-ho when it came to politics, but then I grew up. Conservatives vs Liberals is all it is nowadays. No one can get tolerate the other long enough to get anything done.
I mean, seriously, when you oppose the president just because he's of a different party, you aren't helping anyone.And now for some fine comments from the people of America (thanks to youtube):
"Liberalism is the real threat to the USA. It needs to be put down like a rabid dog. These liberal whores need to be stopped at all costs. It's sad to think of all the men who died for this country just to have the liberal take over and destroy everything."
"Wonder why Fox viewers are so stupid? Because they get their fill of ignorance from their ignorant racist t.v. shows ..They lie and retards believe them "
So yeah, I've given up on this country.
My old government teacher had similar views. She refused to call this country The United States of America. She would only ever refer to it as "The States" or as "America." She wouldn't even say "US." If the word United was in it anyway, she would not say it, because, according to her, "this country has not been this divided since the civil war."So yeah, that's my take on politics.
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Hey, this thread was cool. Why'd it die?
Didn't I make a thread just like this a few years ago?
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"Liberal" in politics doesn't even mean what it's come to mean in the US.
American Conservatives are extremely economically liberal for instance.
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I hate labels also, considering my views go from far right to far left.
But o well. I hope they change California so independents can vote in the primaries again.
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I'm leftist (gay rights, abortion, assisted suicide, environmental, legalising plants). Though right wing on everything else (military, punishment, economical). Extreme anti-theist, pro-enlightenment and color-blind views on race.
Pretty simple really. I just choose the best of everything
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I'm leftist (gay rights, abortion, assisted suicide, environmental, legalising plants). Though right wing on everything else (military, punishment, economical). Extreme anti-theist, pro-enlightenment and color-blind views on race.
Pretty simple really. I just choose the best of everything
I am basically the same. Not sure about military or punishment.
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@Sea:
Not sure about military or punishment.
support for people who protect you while you sleep and big ass penalties to people who fuck up, like murderers and rapists
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Yeah, just saying military is vague.
Personally I think the dialouge of SUPPORT THE TROOPS needs to stay where it belongs. In fund-raisers and community events. And well away from policy discussion of war motives and strategies. It becomes a gross sort of "card" play there that mucks up any actual thought on the issue and becomes almost a race card.
People buy into too much when just the accusation can deflate support for any initiative.
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Didn't I make a thread just like this a few years ago?
Yeah you did… http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=14033
I remember posting in it a couple of times… I think me and you had a fight in it over something... -
I am highly liberal. I'm on the left side of most (if not all) social points. On economic issues, I haven't really developed any major stances, as I do not know enough about it to judge for myself. I am in favor of reasonable taxation, though, and hate how the right has manipulated 'tax' into a four letter word. Military? I am really only in favor defensive military and do not support meddling in other countries unless it is absolutely necessary.
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I love how you guys can talk freely about politics. Most forums in Vietnam are non-politics (it is a sensitive topic and if you are not careful that forum may be taken down by the government). Most of the few forums where we can talk about politics are firewalled and you have to use proxy to access. But no one cares about Vietnam here anyway.
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I also think we spend a fucking ridiculous amount on military. And no, not just active wars. But even more expensive costs since the Cold War on various nearly obsolete bases in places like Germany and Japan.
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@Sea:
I love how you guys can talk freely about politics. Most forums in Vietnam are non-politics (it is a sensitive topic and if you are not careful that forum may be taken down by the government). Most of the few forums where we can talk about politics are firewalled and you have to use proxy to access. But no one cares about Vietnam here anyway.
Yea, I mean we do complain a lot about America, but Americans do have a lot of freedom of speech. It's just lots of people use this freedom to shout out their idiotic opinions.
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Most people would probably consider me a liberal (by USA standards), but I can't say I'm one for sure since I don't even know where I stand in economics.
These are the only issues I even have a view in:
-The issue that is biggest to me is LGBT rights. I support them 100%, and I do not even understand how the opposition has any power. I'll leave it at that.
-Abortion, well, I know I'll be eternally hated, but I can not support it being legal for all cases. For rape and complicated issues like that, sure, but I just can not see this issue any other way.
-Death penalty I'm against in every case.
-I am for the separation of church and state. As far as America goes. I am a Southerner and even there we were raised that America is a country of freedom of religion. But why do I get the feeling that it's more like "Free to be Christian" these days?Those are the issues that I'm big on. I'm also very opposed to war, but I can't argue for the case of that… It's inevitable in the end. >_>
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@JERK:
I also think we spend a fucking ridiculous amount on military. And no, not just active wars. But even more expensive costs since the Cold War on various nearly obsolete bases in places like Germany and Japan.
It's funny how ridiculously opposed the right is to cutting costs in the military. A lot of it is sheer stubbornness, too. We just need our footholds in the world, overly expensive, yet highly impractical weapons and constant military presence in areas of the world that we have already fucked up significantly.
@Sea:
I love how you guys can talk freely about politics. Most forums in Vietnam are non-politics (it is a sensitive topic and if you are not careful that forum may be taken down by the government). Most of the few forums where we can talk about politics are firewalled and you have to use proxy to access. But no one cares about Vietnam here anyway.
I have trouble enough keeping up with national and basic global politics. I can't even begin to imagine how it is, though. It's so easy to take the rights you have for granted.
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@JERK:
"Liberal" in politics doesn't even mean what it's come to mean in the US.
American Conservatives are extremely economically liberal for instance.
Tell a conservative that
I hate labels also, considering my views go from far right to far left.
But o well. I hope they change California so independents can vote in the primaries again.
Yeah, my views on what needs to be done change depending on the state of the country, economically wise (really they change based on the business cycle). Socially, I will always be "liberal."
Eh, don't worry too much about the primaries. I'd say the chances of independents being able to vote in a primary are slim. Possible, but slim.
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Most people would probably consider me a liberal (by USA standards), but I can't say I'm one for sure since I don't even know where I stand in economics.
These are the only issues I even have a view in:
-The issue that is biggest to me is LGBT rights. I support them 100%, and I do not even understand how the opposition has any power. I'll leave it at that.
-Abortion, well, I know I'll be eternally hated, but I can not support it being legal for all cases. For rape and complicated issues like that, sure, but I just can not see this issue any other way.
-Death penalty I'm against in every case.
-I am for the separation of church and state. As far as America goes. I am a Southerner and even there we were raised that America is a country of freedom of religion. But why do I get the feeling that it's more like "Free to be Christian" these days?Those are the issues that I'm big on. I'm also very opposed to war, but I can't argue for the case of that… It's inevitable in the end. >_>
We have really similar views :)
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@JERK:
I also think we spend a fucking ridiculous amount on military. And no, not just active wars. But even more expensive costs since the Cold War on various nearly obsolete bases in places like Germany and Japan.
lol and then they cry about the healthcare bill costing money
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Most people would probably consider me a liberal (by USA standards), but I can't say I'm one for sure since I don't even know where I stand in economics.
These are the only issues I even have a view in:
-The issue that is biggest to me is LGBT rights. I support them 100%, and I do not even understand how the opposition has any power. I'll leave it at that.
-Abortion, well, I know I'll be eternally hated, but I can not support it being legal for all cases. For rape and complicated issues like that, sure, but I just can not see this issue any other way.
-Death penalty I'm against in every case.
-I am for the separation of church and state. As far as America goes. I am a Southerner and even there we were raised that America is a country of freedom of religion. But why do I get the feeling that it's more like "Free to be Christian" these days?Those are the issues that I'm big on. I'm also very opposed to war, but I can't argue for the case of that… It's inevitable in the end. >_>
You just summed up most of my views as well.
As for economics. There really shouldn't be a debate of what to do.
Since we're Keynesian economics, what to do should be obvious depending on the phase of the business cycle. True, that's just the root of a larger problem, but it's the best place to start when dealing with the economy. -
Tell a conservative that
Yeah, my views on what needs to be done change depending on the state of the country, economically wise. Socially, I will always be "liberal."
Eh, don't worry too much about the primaries. I'd say the chances of independents being able to vote in a primary are slim. Possible, but slim.
I think(if I can remember from gov) that California use to have a very different system and that use to allow independents to vote. I think it was found…unconstitutional
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I think(if I can remember from gov) that California use to have a very different system and that use to allow independents to vote. I think it was found…unconstitutional
That would make sense actually, as the primaries are for the parties and their registered members to decide on a candidate. Independent voters could skew the party vote.
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Ooh fun thread.
I'm guess I'm what most Americans would describe as liberal on most of the big-ticket issues (equal rights for all races, genders, religions, LBGTQ, abortion rights, health care, secular government, progressive taxes [more you make the more you're taxed]), although I maybe might possibly perhaps be in favor of the death penalty. And I'm definitely in favor of stricter economic regulation, even if it means sacrificing a bit of our beloved capitalist spirit. Socialism has some good ideas, even if tyrannical nutjobs have always managed to fuck them up in the past.
Ideally war should be outlawed worldwide so that governments wouldn't even need a military budget (or at worst, just defensive ones), but obviously the world is not ideal and likely never will be. At the very least, every nation should undergo complete disarmament, although the incentive for any single player not to is unfortunately far too great for that to ever happen.
Economically we should stick to the Keynesian ideas in order to get out of the shithole we're in now, but before long, the next generation should start thinking outside of the box, because the instruments and scope of the economy nowadays have become kind of… incompatible with what Keynes envisioned. I'm actually taking a course next term about Keynesian Economics vs. Other systems... -
Speaking of politics guys:
I love college humor
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-The issue that is biggest to me is LGBT rights. I support them 100%, and I do not even understand how the opposition has any power. I'll leave it at that.
As far as "gay marriage" is concerned as a subset of LGBT rights, the people who outright oppose it are often ultra or very conservative anyway (usually) but many moderates oppose it on the grounds that it'll make polygamy easier to legalize. Most of the arguments for gay marriage cross apply directly to pro-polygamy, and the negative arguments are easy to refute because they carry a dehumanizing tone. Even easier than the anti-homosexuality arguments because so many religious texts permit it.
People draw the line at gay marriage because it can be used as an argument for why polygamy should remain banned. "Look, we're not even allowing gay marriage, we're going to stay strict and keep marriage a one man-one woman convention".
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polygamy would be a decent practice but the human race is too retarded to pull it off
oh no naughty parts giggle
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politics thread?
lemme show you how we elect leaders here in pakistan
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forward to 1:41 and see one man casting votes on behalf of whole city :P
also forward to 4:15 to see how well policeman is doing is duty guarding polling station.(rest of video shows preparation for rigging, unsealed ballot boxes, women complaining how they were forced to do it on gunpoint etc etc)
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I am leftist, both socially and economically.
I vote for the Dutch Labour party.
I am also saddened about the upcoming right wing government, with an extremist right-wing cherry on top. As a country known for its social tolerance, it's a shame stuff like this happens.
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I am fairly far to the left, but often vote for either the labour part(used to be far left but now centre left) or the conservative party(has drifted to the left recently and now occupies centre right).
Labour party couldn't organise the economy to save it's life and the tories(conservatives) basically screw the public services so it's basically been a case of having to switch between the two.
Now there's a conservative - liberal(further left then labour) alliance and the vain hope that we'll get the best of both worlds, but it'll probably be the worst.
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You just summed up most of my views as well.
As for economics. There really shouldn't be a debate of what to do.
Since we're Keynesian economics, what to do should be obvious depending on the phase of the business cycle. True, that's just the root of a larger problem, but it's the best place to start when dealing with the economy.Considering Keynesian theory is near extinction outside of it's academic and government preserves there is a roiling debate on economics. The school itself self destructed with it's inability to predict and cope with the stagflation of the 1970's.
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@Sea:
I am basically the same. Not sure about military or punishment.
Is this thread American-politics-only?This thread supports politics in general. I wanted to learn about all types of politics.
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I guess my views on race, gender, and Gay Rights are all "Liberal", while I'm an economic conservative, support the death penalty (for major things), and dislike severe gun control.
All in all, I'm a moderate Conservative, and (conservatives will hate me for this) I'm actually pro-choice. Go figure.
The Arizona law, which most of you probably disagree with, is actually something I support, though. It's just the US immigration law, but reiterated in the state law. Of course, the racial profiling thing is something I'll have to wait and look for. If policemen go crazy with this bill, my opinion may take a 180. It's not the law. It's how it's enforced.
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This is a test:
http://www.okcupid.com/politics
My result
[hide]You are a
Social Liberal
(63% permissive)and an…
Economic Liberal
(33% permissive)You are best described as a:
Democrat
You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.
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I don't like a lot of those questions, but:
[hide]You are a
Social Liberal
(80% permissive)and an…
Economic Liberal
(18% permissive)You are best described as a:
Socialist
You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.[/hide]
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Socialist? What the? You mean that socialism initiated by Marx?
I don't know anything about that test other than the questions. Nor what exactly they consider a socialist.
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Yeah. I guess my the dark idealistic corners of my mind manifested themselves in that quiz, haha.
The fact that they put Obama as a socialist worries me about their overall knowledge of political ideologies.