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okay i get the thing now.thank you .and sorry for repeated posts about a matter i wasnt completely aware of.
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guys, you are calling me stupid, you are calling me dumb, but wait and think for a second , i am wrong about haki usage okay, i agree with that, but seriously, a guy who is above admiral level , said to be on par with wb (who was tilting the island btw back there) and above akainu or kizaru(who were both fighting out equally with wb at the point) gets a chance to kill a lowly pirate right before him, and cant do nothing other than making him spew blood,and you think thats not disappointing?overrating him?seriously? we cant expect someone of wb's level to beat up a small ant in terms of power?(yes, mr sea, in one strike)(please dont go harping how gigant hone fuusen protected luffy and it was plot, i know the protagonist is supposed to survive) but the guy said to be the top marine at that time could only do that much? akainu blasted the hell out of jimbei and luffy, to the point that he recuperated for three weeks after being treated(a first i think in the series for such a long recuperation time for anyone in the sh crew)couldn't we have had some amount of good attacks from sengoku in the only instance(other than bb's attacks) we got to know his power?
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@shashank41 please use a period and/or split up your run on sentence.
I think people have given enough evidence to support luffy surviving Sengoku's punch.
It's pretty simple, Sengoku's punch was with every intent of killing luffy/ace/mr.3 in one go. Luffy in amazement to sengoku's buddha ability increased his normal balloon state at least double to with stand the impact. To me it's like a gear 3rd size balloon, which would make his body more resistant with all that air inside him.
Mr.3 also put up an candle wall (similar to steel) around himself and ace to block the impact.
Sengoku's punch was powerful enough to make gear 3rd balloon luffy spit up blood from the impact. Most likely haki was used or the raw power was so great luffy couldn't handle it. The platform they were standing on shattered so you can expect giant buddha sengoku to move whille falling after his attack.
Thus ace is freed and they retreat very quickly.
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This didn't really disappoint me but annoyed me more so. The low-class prisoners from Impel down following buggy and making him out to be the greatest pirate, something inside me just wanted crocodile to show them a thing or two, don't deny it I bet YOU wanted to see it as well.
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This didn't really disappoint me but annoyed me more so. The low-class prisoners from Impel down following buggy and making him out to be the greatest pirate, something inside me just wanted crocodile to show them a thing or two, don't deny it I bet YOU wanted to see it as well.
We all kinda like how Buggy managed that and how he made alot of entertainment possible since ID…
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Garp or at least Sengoku not getting a crack against Whitbeard during the war.
Kizaru not getting injured at all during the war. He did sarcastically say that Marco's kick hurt him which was the only legit time I saw anyone touching him. Not even Whitebeard hurt him.
Beckman threatening Kizaru then the latter proceeds in attacking a chapter later. After attacking, Beckman didn't do shit about it.
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No sight of Tom at level 6 of Impel down :(
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@Gol:
Beckman threatening Kizaru then the latter proceeds in attacking a chapter later. After attacking, Beckman didn't do shit about it.
That did annoy me also. Beckman letting kizaru keep attack and I think Aokiji was still freezing the water as well.
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Kizaru not getting a real crack at WB was a bit of a disappointment.
Kizaru not killing Luffy when he could have will be a major disappointment if he didn't have an ulterior motive for letting him live. Shooting a tiny key instead of sniping Luffy is not plot its bad writing if there isn't more to Kizaru's peculiar actions.
Also a bit of a disappointment that Kizaru is the only big shot of the war to not get some coverage after the war.
Beckman not attacking Kizaru is perfectly fine. It was Shank's intention to end the war. Attacking an Admiral would have escalated things further defeating the purpose of showing up in the first place.
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That Zoro still has his arm xDD
I sat like 10 minutes here and thinking of something disappointing.. but nothing came up.
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Kizaru not killing Luffy when he could have will be a major disappointment if he didn't have an ulterior motive for letting him live. Shooting a tiny key instead of sniping Luffy is not plot its bad writing if there isn't more to Kizaru's peculiar actions.
Everything related to this key was really bad.
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If people are going to complain about Kizaru not sniping Luffy in that instance, then we should complain how Kizaru didn't do the same for the Rookies on Sabaody. Instead of shooting Basil in the abdomen, he should have shot him in the head. Instead of kicking Apoo down into the ground, he should have shot him in the head, etc… I could go on.
One could argue that Kizaru takes a certain amount of pleasure in making his enemies suffer before killing them.
I view that instance with the key nothing more than Kizaru having the outmost confidence that Sengoku would have taken care of Luffy.
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Of course its also possible that he can make lasers of differing power, the more power would take more time or concentration. In the middle of battle he might not have had the time to make something capable of damaging Luffy, but could easily make something capable of breaking a key.
Regarding his past actions…he's been a marine for like 40-some years. I assume he's gotten hit on the head alot.
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Of course its also possible that he can make lasers of differing power, the more power would take more time or concentration. In the middle of battle he might not have had the time to make something capable of damaging Luffy, but could easily make something capable of breaking a key.
Regarding his past actions…he's been a marine for like 40-some years. I assume he's gotten hit on the head alot.
I think a laser beam that can destroy a (metal?) key can put a hole in someone's head perfectly fine, even if that head is made of rubber.
Anyway, as I said earlier, Kizaru in general is disappointing.
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I think a laser beam that can destroy a (metal?) key can put a hole in someone's head perfectly fine, even if that head is made of rubber.
Anyway, as I said earlier, Kizaru in general is disappointing.
I have this theory bouncing around in my head regarding the dual particle/wave nature of light, as it applies to Kizaru and his abilities. It doesn't entirely make sense, but until we see more of him or an explanation I'm leaning towards that.
Mainly I think it might be easier to express physical force through his lasers (for some reason) than it would be to create energy enough to go through a person.
Or something, his abilities and actions don't seem consistent, but my theory doesn't really have anything to back it up.
Regarding why Kizaru played around (relatively) with people at Shabondy Archipelago, I assume as an Admiral he doesn't get out to fight much. And when he does its probably something like the Battle at Marineford where the stability of the world will be effected by it. Compared to that fighting the rookies on the archipelago was probably relaxation, or maybe a warm up for Marineford to make sure he was in his best condition.
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there was nothing wrong with sengoku punching he was aiming to execute ace with his bare hands which somehow i find hard to believe a shockwave could have done luffy intervened doing well to save aces life but if you expected sengoku to see through all of that then your seriously expecting to much
also do people really believe that if kizaru aimed for luffys head luffy would of allowed himself to get hit if so then kizaru is to haxed to be able to shot luffys head from that range and for luffy not able to do anything about it
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I think a laser beam that can destroy a (metal?) key can put a hole in someone's head perfectly fine, even if that head is made of rubber.
Anyway, as I said earlier, Kizaru in general is disappointing.
Well, considering that Kizaru, DoFlamingo and Mihawk are probably the only ones to get out of the war completely unscratched, Kizaru is quite awesome to tell the truth.
He is the admiral that punished Luffy the most BY FAR, he mocked him, mocked Whitebeard for trusting Luffy, acted all around like a magnificient asshole. . .
I don't know why, but when the thing with the key happened, I never thought "oh, c'mon, shot him in the head! plot armor!", simply because this kind of things are what villains tend to do. . .a lot. Fuck around, piss the main guys, you know, and if it's a critical moment where the bullet in the head is necessary, then they'll shoot at the feet, the hands, or, in this case, a key.
It isn't THAT terrible.
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Even if Luffy was shot in the head the Key would still be within reach of Ace who would not have been affected by Kizaru's laser should he had gained freedom. If not put in the lock ready to be turned, he weighed up the option of stopping Luffy or stopping Ace being freed.
Also it was done for dramatic effect by the author no other reason then that really.
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Even if Luffy was shot in the head the Key would still be within reach of Ace who would not have been affected by Kizaru's laser should he had gained freedom. If not put in the lock ready to be turned, he weighed up the option of stopping Luffy or stopping Ace being freed.
Also it was done for dramatic effect by the author no other reason then that really.
It was done to set up the Mr 3 thing. I still find Kizaru disappointing.
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also do people really believe that if kizaru aimed for luffys head luffy would of allowed himself to get hit if so then kizaru is to haxed to be able to shot luffys head from that range and for luffy not able to do anything about it
so tell me why kizaru didnt just throughout the hole war just sit down and start beaming down all the pirates including luffyCome on! why would Luffy let him destroy the key if he was able to dodge the attack? If Kizaru had aimed for Luffy's head, he would have killed him. A key is much more difficult to shot than a human's head.
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He is the admiral that punished Luffy the most BY FAR
If by Kizaru you mean Sakazuki, yes.
Sakazuki actually did something that left Luffy miserable.
Killed Ace, wounded Jinbei, scarred Luffy, mocked WB, took half of his face and dig a hole in his chest.
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@Sea:
If by Kizaru you mean Sakazuki, yes.
Sakazuki actually did something that left Luffy miserable.
Killed Ace, wounded Jinbei, scarred Luffy, mocked WB, took half of his face.
Kizaru: all talk.Gave him a massive scar too.
Edit: now why didn't I see that "scarred luffy"?
Either way, Kizaru sucks.
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http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-11/one-piece/chapter-567.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-12/one-piece/chapter-567.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-13/one-piece/chapter-567.htmlYou're right, but Kizaru was Luffy's f*cking stalker pre-Ace rescue. Then it was an Akainu solo, but before that, Kizaru went quite hardcore at him.
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Well, considering that Kizaru, DoFlamingo and Mihawk are probably the only ones to get out of the war completely unscratched, Kizaru is quite awesome to tell the truth.
He is the admiral that punished Luffy the most BY FAR, he mocked him, mocked Whitebeard for trusting Luffy, acted all around like a magnificient asshole. . .
I don't know why, but when the thing with the key happened, I never thought "oh, c'mon, shot him in the head! plot armor!", simply because this kind of things are what villains tend to do. . .a lot. Fuck around, piss the main guys, you know, and if it's a critical moment where the bullet in the head is necessary, then they'll shoot at the feet, the hands, or, in this case, a key.
It isn't THAT terrible.
The key is not the issue man. It's the fact that if you give Kizaru the ability to be that ridiculously accurate then you cannot possibly justify how every single one of his opponents doesn't die instantly from a headshot, with the exception of logias and Marco.
You can argue against it all you want, but the truth is that it was a bad move from Oda, who could have resorted to any number of other plot devices that would have made for a much much much less controversial event.
The only explanation comes from Kizaru actually being extremely mercyful and not like killing, but destroying that possibility is his own decision to put one through Oars' head with such ease.
So yeah, you can argue, but until we get more insight into his character and see something that possibly explains all of it, it's better not to think about it at all. I felt completely cheated when it happenned , and that remains the only thing about One Piece that I have a hard time accepting.
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Come on! why would Luffy let him destroy the key if he was able to dodge the attack? If Kizaru had aimed for Luffy's head, he would have killed him. A key is much more difficult to shot than a human's head.
its simple human reaction if something is aiming for you your reaction will help you dodge but the key is not part of him thus his inability to move the key away from the beam
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its simple human reaction if something is aiming for you your reaction will help you dodge but the key is not part of him thus his inability to move the key away from the beam
Do you actually hear yourself?
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if jinbei does not join the crew at fisherman island i will be sad ;]
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Many things are disappointing in One Piece. I still remember afew of them and most of them came from the war.
1.The worst one was when Mihawk failed to cut the freaking piece of shit Jozu. Then subsequently Jozu got stopped by Doflamingo and got seemingly thrashed by Aokiji. This totally pulls the power level of Mihawk down.
2. Marco not being able to shoot flames from his body at the moment but just keep using his talons and physical strikes to damage the opponents. His ability to heal is very good but I'm sure there is a certain amount he can take before he get KO-ed instantly.
3. The war arc wasnt very detailed especially in the fighting scenes but just a touch and go from each character to character and from one scene to another scene. A brief scene on Mihawk, then ivankov, then whitebeard and then crocodile. The stupid WB refused to attack from the start but just stay there and watch his crews get crushed apart from the commanders. At the end he was stupidly killed by BlackBeard-.-
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The key is not the issue man. It's the fact that if you give Kizaru the ability to be that ridiculously accurate then you cannot possibly justify how every single one of his opponents doesn't die instantly from a headshot, with the exception of logias and Marco.
You can argue against it all you want, but the truth is that it was a bad move from Oda, who could have resorted to any number of other plot devices that would have made for a much much much less controversial event.
The only explanation comes from Kizaru actually being extremely mercyful and not like killing, but destroying that possibility is his own decision to put one through Oars' head with such ease.
So yeah, you can argue, but until we get more insight into his character and see something that possibly explains all of it, it's better not to think about it at all. I felt completely cheated when it happenned , and that remains the only thing about One Piece that I have a hard time accepting.
listen this is getting ridiculous look at ussop who has shown to have pin point accuracy but it dosent nessacery mean he is going to always hit his enemy as shown with jyabar as well as others dodging is possible
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http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-11/one-piece/chapter-567.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-12/one-piece/chapter-567.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-41586-13/one-piece/chapter-567.htmlYou're right, but Kizaru was Luffy's f*cking stalker pre-Ace rescue. Then it was an Akainu solo, but before that, Kizaru went quite hardcore at him.
Akainu: went for big fishes like WB, Ace; faced Jinbei, Marco, Vista at the same time. Magma-fisted Chicken's avatar.
Kizaru: went after fodders and rookies to brag about how they're no match for him (generic villain ranting, yet I doubt Luffy actually gave a damn). Yeah, don't forgot he sneakingly attacked Marco, with the help of a vice-admiral, and thank to Akainu caused distraction (LOL, actually he added nothing at all, the handcuff was the only thing that keep Marco out of battle).
Even Aokiji was massively more useful (stopping the tsunami, taking Jozu out of battle and his arm, preventing Pirates from escaping with ship hence caused the distrust with WB, creating their foothold so Akainu could take it away later, then preventing Jinbei from jumping into the sea, shutting Buggy up for a while).
Seriously what did Kizaru actually accomplish, beside destroying a fucking key.
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Do you actually hear yourself?
i was chatting a bit of rubbish but my main point is luffy would most likely dodge a beam from kizaru aiming at his head easier then a beam aiming for a object in his hand
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@Sea:
Akainu: went for big fishes like WB, Ace; faced Jinbei, Marco, Vista at the same time. Magma-fisted Chicken's avatar.
Kizaru is a Kill Stealer. He waited until the VAs beat Luffy up a bit before getting involved. He also stole Onigumo's kill (Marco).
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1.The worst one was when Mihawk failed to cut the freaking piece of shit Jozu. Then subsequently Jozu got stopped by Doflamingo and got seemingly thrashed by Aokiji. This totally pulls the power level of Mihawk down.
2. Marco not being able to shoot flames from his body at the moment but just keep using his talons and physical strikes to damage the opponents. His ability to heal is very good but I'm sure there is a certain amount he can take before he get KO-ed instantly.
3. The war arc wasnt very detailed especially in the fighting scenes but just a touch and go from each character to character and from one scene to another scene. A brief scene on Mihawk, then ivankov, then whitebeard and then crocodile. The stupid WB refused to attack from the start but just stay there and watch his crews get crushed apart from the commanders. At the end he was stupidly killed by BlackBeard-.-
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Do you have any idea how hard diamond is?
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Oda confirmed in an SBS that Marco's flames can't do shit.
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It's a freaking war. You expect Oda to focus on EVERY SINGLE PERSON involved while keeping up the pace? His crews weren't being crushed from the start, and he had no reason to even get involved in the beginning of the battle. Wait, you expected him to survive losing half his face, being stabbed in at least two places, and having taken a crapton of lead to his body in addition to Blackbeard's shots?
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Pretty sure you can't call it sneaky. Its a huge battle, if something happens you didn't see coming, right out in the open, then its because you aren't paying enough attention.
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Many things are disappointing in One Piece. I still remember afew of them and most of them came from the war.
1.The worst one was when Mihawk failed to cut the freaking piece of shit Jozu. Then subsequently Jozu got stopped by Doflamingo and got seemingly thrashed by Aokiji. This totally pulls the power level of Mihawk down.
2. Marco not being able to shoot flames from his body at the moment but just keep using his talons and physical strikes to damage the opponents. His ability to heal is very good but I'm sure there is a certain amount he can take before he get KO-ed instantly.
3. The war arc wasnt very detailed especially in the fighting scenes but just a touch and go from each character to character and from one scene to another scene. A brief scene on Mihawk, then ivankov, then whitebeard and then crocodile. The stupid WB refused to attack from the start but just stay there and watch his crews get crushed apart from the commanders. At the end he was stupidly killed by BlackBeard-.-
1. Mihawk never fought Jozu and it wasn't even a named attack.
2. Seriously?
3. This is a matter of opinion but a certain amount of expediency was required, consider the amount of chapters if we would have had it your way. It would be a 70 chapter war before you know it and interests would wane. By the end of the war a lot of people had had enough, and I agree with them. I think the timing was impeccable but again it's a matter of opinion.My dissappointing things for One Piece are:
-Bubble saving Luffy in Alabasta was random and felt cheap. ( I'm still seriously hoping that that was Dragon secretely helping Luffy)
-Kizaru/ Key/ Oars. Still cannot make peace with that single bullshit move. I stress that this is my opinion and not a statement of fact. I just felt so cheated. Looking back it all feels cheapened with Kizaru, especially him shooting WB in the chest instead of between the eyes. It's just the psychology of this guy that doesn't make any sense. He can kill just about anyone so easily, has no qualms about doing it when necessary, and just doesn't. It's the "just doesn't" part that bothers me and others. Seriously, Oda, why didn't Sengoku just kick it away or something? Wouldn't it have made more sense? No it wouldn't have. Let's make him shoot a pinhead from a mile away with no prep time because it doesn't upset the already frail and unexplained power balance. Sheesh. Someone shut me up already.
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Many things are disappointing in One Piece. I still remember afew of them and most of them came from the war.
1.The worst one was when Mihawk failed to cut the freaking piece of shit Jozu. Then subsequently Jozu got stopped by Doflamingo and got seemingly thrashed by Aokiji. This totally pulls the power level of Mihawk down.
I think it has more to do with the fact that Mihawk's "flying slash" technique seems to actualy be "stopable". Mr. 1 stoped it, but next panel, when they were closer, Mihawk simply slashed him without much thought. Maybe at close range, Mihawk can also slash Jozu.
And Aokiji didn't "trash" Jozu. He was sneak attacked. That was quite noobish on Jozu's part, but that's what happened.@ Sea: I know Kizaru didn't go "big" during the war, but specifically talking about Luffy, he got the most (this is gonna sound lame, I know) "hits" in.
Oh, and he went at Marco and Whitebeard, and did Injury both of them. One sneak attack, the other at a close range fight.
But yes, he is the less developed admiral. Akainu and Aokiji appear at the Ohara flashback and chapter 0. And they both appear at the aftermath of war. Kizaru comes out of nowhere and vanishes.
But isn't he still kinda cool? He throws lasers. . .that's cool, isn't it?. . .
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Also, I forgot about Kizaru stopping just before killing one of the SNs (Hawkins?) to answer a phone…
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Not variety of arms or weapons (the sames swords (90%), very rare axes and lances but are the sames)
Only the important characters have an unic weapon, and not all (Mihawk for example)
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Oh, and he went at Marco
It was the handcuff that kept him out, not Kizaru's laser. Actually without those laser it's still the same.
Onigumo was useful.and injured Whitebeard.
Everyone and their mothers did.
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At the very beggining of the war he "laughed" at Marco's kick. . .
It's not much, I know, but just pointing it out, since I suddenly turned into Kizaru's Lawyer. -
I'm still damn annoyed that Hancock attacks smoker and busts up pacifistas in front of sentomarou and neither of them feel inclined to report it. And takes off with a marine ship that likely never returned.
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throughout the whole war. After they revealed Jozu's devil fruit power… I was waiting for Kizaru to run up and fire a laser right into his diamond body and have it refract all over the battlefield. It would have been sweet, but I guess Kizaru is too busy staring off into space.
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throughout the whole war. After they revealed Jose's devil fruit power… I was waiting for Kizaru to run up and fire a laser right into his diamond body and have it refract all over the battlefield. It would have been sweet, but I guess Kizaru is too busy staring off into space.
Kizaru was too high for that.
Wouldn't that take out quite a lot of marines, as well?
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Also, I forgot about Kizaru stopping just before killing one of the SNs (Hawkins?) to answer a phone…
Its pretty stupid, but I think its not really unexplainable. Consider the only reason he's there is to get the three crews involved in the tenyrubito incident. The other captains are really just…extraneous.
Also, compared to the people he's no doubt faced in the New World fighting those rookies was just using up time till he got in contact with Sentomaru.
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At the very beggining of the war he "laughed" at Marco's kick. . .
It's not much, I know, but just pointing it out, since I suddenly turned into Kizaru's Lawyer.It's pretty hard to provide an alibi for Kizaru.
This receipt from the Restaurant indicates that my client was not in the crime scene at the time of the murder, and since he cannot be at two places at the same time..
Yes he can.
Oh, well uhm… you're on your own guy.
Kizaru:blink:
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Kizaru is all about looking cool without actually accomplishing anything.
-Didn't capture any Supernova. Owning all of them to look cool.
-Used as a plot device during the Strawhat sepeartion. It was Kuma who did most of the job. Kiazru was there so that he and Rayleigh can look cool.
-Fighting Marco yet did nothing to him, aside from being cool.
-Lecturing Luffy. So cool.
-Shooting the key. That sniping skill was cool.
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You can tell during the war that Kizaru never really tried. He was toying around for most of the war, and I think that is a major aspect to his character, while he does want justice to be brought, at the same time he takes the most serious thing as game. I mean, if you could move at the speed of light, most likely only stayed in the first half of the Grandline capturing pirates, he probably got bored of being one of the strongest dudes there and just, fooled around.
He really is like a little kid showing off at a sport. He loves to fool around with his prey, and when he underestimates them, and loses(Against the SH's in a sense after Kuma separated them) he throws a temper tantrum and goes and captures 500 pirates out of anger. Later during the war, he wasn't one of those people who wants to get his revenge because Luffy got away…He still fools around, and simply destroys the key instead of aiming for Luffy's head and killing him right there.
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Maybe it is just a front? Maybe he realized that he could just merc everyone in sight? Or he's just an incredibly incompetent godly person?
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Kizaru was too high for that.
Wouldn't that take out quite a lot of marines, as well?
It still would have been sweet. Jozu would have felt like a brilliant punk
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It still would have been sweet. Jozu would have felt like a brilliant punk
What a brilliant pun. :ninja:
The refraction idea had occured to me too. D:
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When his body turned diamond it was like the FIRST thing I thought of.
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I hope Oda will give a proper excuse as to why Kizaru didn't just shoot through everyone's head in the war if he can shoot a key.