I understand you do not like the character but I really feel that is incorrect. Looking at the character in TB and all the little jokes and traits she had, it seems like there was quite a bit of thought put into her. There are very few characters with as many quirks to them as she had.
Try "Every single one ever" and you'd be right.
@Freddy:
Since when has there been a hint of Perona being of enough importance to warrant her a flashback?
Jolly roger design for one, and the whole she should'nt even be here. And the traits thing I said above.
@CannonKing:
Funny, I thought Perona was just there so that Zoro had somebody to talk with instead of resorting to talking with himself.
No, random character A would of been enough for that.
Huh?:blink:.
Again ,I know dislike people the character but some of this is really putting your head in the sand over her.
What, you really think Perona stand out that much. You're biased if you say that she has more quirks or a more complex personality than Kalifa or other opponents of the strawhat. You probably prefer her personality to others, but she isn't a more complex characters than them.
As for Miss Goldenweek, the situation is different as she simply has not got as much attention as Perona has.
The only thing different is that you read faster the Whiskey Peak Arc than the Thriller Bark arc, you probably didn't pay too much attention to this character. And Miss Goldenweek had her own mini-serie. I consider Perona's return is kinda the same as a mini-serie.
Oda probably has other plan for her, but not in the SH crew.
I can see Perona leaving the island with Zoro. I mean come on, how else is he going to find his was to Sabaody?
Zoro: Is this Saboady Archipelago
Guy: No this is planet Namek, you got so lost you transferred universe.
But I dont realistically think Perona will join the strawhats.
√ or X?
1\. Rayleigh dies (?) 2\. Jimbei Joins (?), 3\. Buggy offered shichibukai (?)
What, you really think Perona stand out that much. You're biased if you say that she has more quirks or a more complex personality than Kalifa or other opponents of the strawhat. You probably prefer her personality to others, but she isn't a more complex characters than them.
I did'nt say personality, I said quirks. By that I also mean jokes. More than most outside of the SH's.
The only thing different is that you read faster the Whiskey Peak Arc than the Thriller Bark arc, you probably didn't pay too much attention to this character. And Miss Goldenweek had her own mini-serie. I consider Perona's return is kinda the same as a mini-serie.
Oda probably has other plan for her, but not in the SH crew.
I did pay attention.
Big difference between cover pages and actual story.
I'm not talking about a crewmember at the moment. It was said Oda put no thought into her. I strongly disagree.
Jolly roger design for one,
Kalifa doesn't have a Jolly Roger but at least we know her date of birth. We even know what she looked like when she was a child. That's hint she will get a flashback and join the crew.
No, random character A would of been enough for that.
She IS random character A.
Big difference between cover pages and actual story.
No, only in your head.
Oda used the intros to develop Coby and Helmeppo. And even introduce Garp.
I'm not talking about a crewmember at the moment. It was said Oda put no thought into her. I strongly disagree.
I didn't say that, I said I think Oda has considered the other two for crewmate possibilties even if only in the sense of leading on the audience.
Whereas he has never even thought of Perona in this fashion.
No, random character A would of been enough for that.
Mihawk and the baboons are the only living things on that place and Mihawk was in the war. Who else could have been there to talk with Zoro?
Seriously, the latest chapters were all about the characters having flashbacks about their relationship with Luffy and deciding to become stronger for his sake. It would be retarded to have a character that had little to no interaction with the captain to join.
I did'nt say personality, I said quirks. By that I also mean jokes. More than most outside of the SH's.
This is completely wrong.
I did'nt say personality, I said quirks. By that I also mean jokes. More than most outside of the SH's.
I also said quirks. Well, if you want to enter into details. There was a lot of jokes surrounding other character outside the SH.
Take Kalifa:
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No, seriously, you can't say Oda put more thought in Perona than other character.
@JERK:
She IS random character A.
no.
I didn't say that, I said I think Oda has considered the other two for crewmate possibilties even if only in the sense of leading on the audience.
Whereas he has never even thought of Perona in this fashion.
Okay, after re-reading the context it seems i have of jumped the gun on this one. The wording of the last line misled me.
Edit:
@Tsukishima:
No, seriously, you can't say Oda put more thought in Perona than other character.
Haha, yes I can
^
That has been discussed a lot already so I'll just wait for it.
It's for Zoro's training or she's joining.
Edit: My bad, option 3 is appears later in the the story to do something important. Any way it is not simply to have someone to talk to
are they going to ban everyone that voted for perona
Luffy decides who gets a new crewmember and not Zoro.
He may like Perona in the end(as if^^) but still Luffy has to decide this.
I vote again for "none of the above", none has progressed in this week of… non onepieceness.
It is probably none but this is too boring to vote so I will go with Hancock
Simply bacause she gives the girl in need vibe.
In need of what you asK?
Friends. She is in need of friends. People she can trust etc
Why do I think so?
Well because of chapter 0. In there she appears to be positive. She wants to be strong so she can become a pirate but than bad things happen and she buries all her fellings inside and becomes alone.
Luffy is her ray of hope like he was for most of the other crew members like nami, robin, chopper and brook
Oda seems to like those character types especially
I might read too much into it but this is the impression I got from her.
New poll?
How did Perona end up in it again?
I can see Perona leaving the island with Zoro. I mean come on, how else is he going to find his was to Sabaody?
Vivre card.
are they going to ban everyone that voted for perona
The people who were banned were not banned for voting for Perona.
This isn't some kind of communist board.
or is it :ninja:
I think I'm still on the Jinbei band-wagon.
I'll save my vote for later though, I have to revisit my theories.
i see jinbei as a zeff or iceberg type character telling some young fishman to go live out his dream with luffy and crew
The people who were banned were not banned for voting for Perona.
This isn't some kind of communist board.
or is it :ninja:I think I'm still on the Jinbei band-wagon.
I'll save my vote for later though, I have to revisit my theories.
That was pretty funny post especially given your username.
Perona has more charcter design than kalifa. Her whole attitude is a compliment to thriller bark. She was a commander and part of thriller bark that helper showed us how the system works. Plus she went back and forth with Usopp enough that thousands of hentai picks were generated between them.
I've actually dropped off both the Boa and Jimbei bandwagon that I was on completely. I'm starting to wonder if the crew is actually set and that there are going to be no more additions which seems to fit more and more but still its possible to have someone join down the road. Boa is too love struck to do much around Luffy and that will become a problem, Jimbei has easily the highest chances of the characters that have already been introduced and we are going to be seeing him soon and have the opportunity to get a lil more back-story and dream stuff on him.
Perona has more charcter design than kalifa. Her whole attitude is a compliment to thriller bark. She was a commander and part of thriller bark that helper showed us how the system works. Plus she went back and forth with Usopp enough that thousands of hentai picks were generated between them.
So Hentai picks = join? rly, thats what ur using for her to join? Kalifa had her own personality that rivaled Perona's in how it was presented so basically hentai is ur argument for her?
Plus she went back and forth with Usopp enough that thousands of hentai picks were generated between them.
I'm not totally surprised that somebody's suggesting "number of hentai pics" as a metric - but I would have guessed that a Hancock supporter would have been the one to make the suggestion.
You know the saying "This will all end in tears"?
It applies to this thread in so many ways lololololol.
Good luck to all in their chosen ones - I personally don't have the faith or conviction to place my bets here.
Sometimes people just have nothing better to do. Then this happens. Too predictable.
i am still of the opinion that if one of the three joins it will be Hancock for the same reason as always…
To allow her character to confront and come to terms with her past
however I am more and more strongly leaning to none of the above
i am still of the opinion that if one of the three joins it will be Hancock for the same reason as always…
To allow her character to confront and come to terms with her past
however I am more and more strongly leaning to none of the above
I feel the same. All the current Mugiwara crew members have had a sad past (which is why my love them so much) and have had their own flashbacks. Hancock is the only one I can think of who'd be a suitable choice if we want a sad past.
I'm starting to wonder if the crew is actually set and that there are going to be no more additions which seems to fit more and more but still its possible to have someone join down the road.
There's at least one huge hint that the crew is not complete, and I'm not talking about the "10 men" thing from Chapter 1. Look at Blackbeard's crew. He has one more crewmate. We can all agree that BB's crew is a "evil" version of Luffy, right? At least one more crewmate is assured.
Boa is too love struck to do much around Luffy and that will become a problem
No. Just no. The same could be said of Sanji. ("He's too protective of the girls! He can't fight a girl! This could cause problems to the crew!")
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
No. Just no. The same could be said of Sanji. ("He's too protective of the girls! He can't fight a girl! This could cause problems to the crew!")
Actually, it did with Kalifa.
I can't believe I missed Super Connard getting banned!!
And all the retarded Perona fans!
Darn it!
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There's at least one huge hint that the crew is not complete, and I'm not talking about the "10 men" thing from Chapter 1. Look at Blackbeard's crew. He has one more crewmate. We can all agree that BB's crew is a "evil" version of Luffy, right? At least one more crewmate is assured.
Luffy defeated two CP9 members. Anything could happen when his crew fights Blackbeard's.
Come on guys, less talk about jinbei/perona/hancock. More talk about Paulie and Wiper!!
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Come on guys, less talk about jinbei/perona/hancock. More talk about Paulie and Wiper!!
Why are you still in Water 7 start or are you just a new random dumbass?
I hope nobody votes for Perona and Hancock anymore. They're current numbers match the date 9/11 which we all know is a tragedy in American history and fittingly enough, Perona's and Hancock's respective fanbase caused a tragedy in ArlongPark that it led to the so-called "Dark Ages" of ArlongPark.
So what's with the new guy? Wiper and Paulie? You better be joking. If not, that's just sad.
There's at least one huge hint that the crew is not complete, and I'm not talking about the "10 men" thing from Chapter 1. Look at Blackbeard's crew. He has one more crewmate. We can all agree that BB's crew is a "evil" version of Luffy, right? At least one more crewmate is assured.
I never looked at it that way. Good idea.
If asked, I don't think Oda would respond "There are ____ Straw Hats we have yet to meet", but once the crew is complete do you think we would get than answer either in story (i.e. Luffy saying something along the lines of "wow I finally got my ten people") or an outside interview/SBS ("Yes, Newbie McNewguy is the last Straw Hat the crew is now complete")?
My friends and I have discussed this before and some of them believe that the crew may be complete.
1. Does the ship count as a crew member/Straw Hat? Specifically I'm referring to the whole "one of the Straw Hats will die" thing from a Jump Festa several years ago that ultimately turned out to be the Going Merry's demise.
2. Is Luffy including himself in the head count?
If the answer to both of those questions is yes, there are ten Straw Hats. Is they are both no, we have two more left. And if one's a yes and one's a no, we have on more to meet.
3. This is probably a translation nuance but was Luffy phrasing the 10 crew members as an estimation or an exact head count? If it's an estimation there COULD be one more (possibly THREE new Straw Hats) or one less (the crew is possible done and Luffy's decided he doesn't need anyone else).
The reason I bring this up is because the recent events in the manga would make getting a new member at this point almost seem awkward. The Straw Hats are going through a huge thing right now - how exactly would Oda go about wearing more Straw Hats into the mix? Any new crewmate would be lacking that experience and bond. Luffy was desperate and wanted to see his crew right away - even if he still wanted another member or two, he certainly wouldn't be pining for them like he was for the others.
Yes, there's the barrel scene from 100 that was a sort of "bonding" experience for Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji BUT the notion of adding a doctor to the crew was presented in the Arlong Arc. We haven't had a hint of a specific role to be filled since Brook joined as the musician, and prior to Thriller Bark I remember seeing a theory kicking around that the musician would be the last to join because it's the one Luffy kept insisting they needed next even though a more vital role (such as cook and shipwright) was needed sooner.
I'm not saying it's impossible to weave it in the story but as it stands now it seems like it might be a little awkward. Any thoughts?
I was also wondering about the "10 people" Luffy quote myself not too long ago, so I looked at the Japanese and Luffy says, without equivocation, "I want ten people!!" (「１０人はほしいなァ!!」) He doesn't say "almost" or "about" or anything like that, which surprised me. But Luffy's a man who knows what he wants! [Corrected by Aohige below.]
@Dixxy:
1. Does the ship count as a crew member/Straw Hat? Specifically I'm referring to the whole "one of the Straw Hats will die" thing from a Jump Festa several years ago that ultimately turned out to be the Going Merry's demise.
2. Is Luffy including himself in the head count?
If the answer to both of those questions is yes, there are ten Straw Hats. Is they are both no, we have two more left. And if one's a yes and one's a no, we have on more to meet.
1. I believe that the ship counts as part of the crew, but that it shouldn't be counted as part of the 10. Luffy said he wanted 10 "people", so he probably wasn't accounting for a ship when he said that.
2. People seem to be fairly divided on this. I personally think that when Luffy said "10 people", he meant a "10-person crew" that would include himself. 10 would seem to be an easier number to work with (from Oda's standpoint) than 11. And if they end up with 10 people, they would end up mirroring the Blackbeard Pirates as well (assuming that Doc Q and Stronger come as a set). If this is the case, then we only have one more Straw Hat left to add.
@Dixxy:
If asked, I don't think Oda would respond "There are ____ Straw Hats we have yet to meet", but once the crew is complete do you think we would get than answer either in story (i.e. Luffy saying something along the lines of "wow I finally got my ten people") or an outside interview/SBS ("Yes, Newbie McNewguy is the last Straw Hat the crew is now complete")?
My friends and I have discussed this before and some of them believe that the crew may be complete.
I feel like since Luffy apparently knows exactly how many people he wants, when that number is reached, he'll say so. And looking at it from Oda's POV, it's best if he lets the audience know when the crew is complete. Otherwise, readers could be left waiting for new additions that will never show up. Plus, it would make for a great "this is IT" moment – sort of like the Loguetown barrel scene you mentioned. (This is all assuming that Oda knows how many crewmates there will be, no question. I think he does.)
Based on all the above, I really feel like we've got one more crewmate left to go, and that they'll join before the New World. "5 from East Blue; 5 from the Grand Line" lends the whole thing a certain equilibrium. Luffy can announce that the crew is complete, which gets us even more psyched for the New World, and then Oda can work on developing crew interactions from there on out.
I think the second most likely possibility is that the crew is already complete and that Luffy will say something to that effect when they get back together. (9 people + 1 ship = 10) They've been through so much now that I wouldn't be surprised if this happened, either. And as you said, there hasn't been a need for anyone else since Brook joined. If a new person joins, they'll need a "role" -- Oda could easily create this but hasn't yet, so his intentions aren't clear. (And the potential for an "awkward" tenth joining is there, but really, that's all up to Oda in the writing department. If Oda does a poor job, it'll be awkward; if he does a great job, it'll be awesome.)
Does Luffy include himself?
Do ships count?
The chapter titles when the respective crew members join suggest the answer "NO" to both questions. Zoro is named as "The First" and Brook is "The Eighth". By this logic, ships and Luffy do not count among the hypothetical 10.
@S.C.:
Actually, it did with Kalifa.
But was it a reason to leave Sanji out of the crew?
Luffy defeated two CP9 members. Anything could happen when his crew fights Blackbeard's.
CP9 members were not "shadow" versions of the Strawhats. They did not have a sniper, a swordsman, a doctor and a captain that is pretty much the opposite of Luffy.
@Dixxy:
1. Does the ship count as a crew member/Straw Hat? Specifically I'm referring to the whole "one of the Straw Hats will die" thing from a Jump Festa several years ago that ultimately turned out to be the Going Merry's demise.
The ship, I think, is a "crewmember", but it's not counted like so when we are talking about the number of crewmates. For instance, neither Merry nor Sunny got a chapter numbering them, and the counting skipped them altogether.
Usopp is the "third" and Sanji is the "fourth". If Merry counted, Sanji would be the fifth.
2. Is Luffy including himself in the head count?
He said he wanted to find 10 strong men to join him, so he wasn't counting himself.
Luffy: Get it now, you big fish?!
(grin)
Hnnn…!!
First of all, I have to find a crew.
I want ten people!!
And then a pirate flag!
3. This is probably a translation nuance but was Luffy phrasing the 10 crew members as an estimation or an exact head count?
I believe Luffy was just making an estimation and not an exact number, but we can't be sure if Oda was throwing a hint there.
I think when the last crewmate arrives, his chapter will be named "The Last", or there will be a hint in the story that the crew is completed.
I was also wondering about the "10 people" Luffy quote myself not too long ago, so I looked at the Japanese and Luffy says, without equivocation, "I want ten people!!" (「１０人はほしいなァ!!」) He doesn't say "almost" or "about" or anything like that, which surprised me. But Luffy's a man who knows what he wants!
No, 十人「は」欲しい indicates he wants at least 10 people.
は in this case indicates that.
Why was the poll redone?
+why are people still legitimately discussing candidates who aren't Jinbei?
No, 十人「は」欲しい indicates he wants at least 10 people.
は in this case indicates that.
Thanks for the correction. I had no idea about that nuance.
In that case, what do you think the best translation would be? ("I want at least 10 people!!"?) And does that mean we shouldn't take the statement so literally?
Out of these i can consider only Perona as candidate for new nakama. Hancock can't abandon Amazon Lilli. Also both Hancock and Jimbei are to well known. If any of these joins they might as well change the name of the crew. Every bystander that spotted the Thousand Sunny would be like: "Oh look, its the Hanckock/Jimbei pirate crew!".
Why was the poll redone?
+why are people still legitimately discussing candidates who aren't Jinbei?
A shichibukai will never join. They are are far too reknown, exeprienced, feared and powerful already and would still overshadow and stunt the growth of every single member except maybe those of the so called monster trio even after the time skip.
And unlike Robin their reputation and fame is entirely justified and did not come about as the result of marine propaganda.
People here mistake the character devolopment Oda has given the Warlords Jiimbei and Hancock for something other than what it is.
Unlike other warlords Jimbei and Hancock are Luffy's allies, thus their character devoplments are backstories are in keeping with those of good guys. And that's where people fall into an easy trap.
Just because they're being developed as important good guys is no hint that they're gonna join. They're being developed at length because they are Warlords. It just so happens that unlike the others they are good guys.
Warlords like Croc, Moria, Dofla, Mihawk, BB and Kuma are enemies or much more ambiguous allies. Since they are antagonists their backstories and character developments are being handled differently than Hancock's and Jimbei's.
Oda is still keeping their backstories in store for the New World.
Hancok's backstories have already been dealt with. She's no more than Luffy's groupie now. She's been relegated to comic relief. Her character is pretty much done in the story.
And Jimbei's backstory will be dealt with in FI before the NW.
By the beginning of the New World Hancock's and Jimbei's characters will merely be side character that the crew left behind. Although, like Croc has before them, they may appear later in the story as temporary allies.
The question should be, why are people still discussing candidates that aren't Perona, the former boss character ? :ninja:
There's at least one huge hint that the crew is not complete, and I'm not talking about the "10 men" thing from Chapter 1. Look at Blackbeard's crew. He has one more crewmate. We can all agree that BB's crew is a "evil" version of Luffy, right? At least one more crewmate is assured.
Something that's probably being overlooked about the Blackbeard crew is Stronger. The question is whether he counts as a crew member on his own or if he is grouped with Doc Q.
@Dixxy:
2. Is Luffy including himself in the head count?
This the strange thing about this. When Oda gave the crew numbers Luffy was given #1, Zoro #2, Nami #3, and so on, however crew numbers mentioned in title chapters are different. ex: Thrid and Seventh (Usopp and Franky). My guess would be that the correct one is the latter of the two.
The reason I bring this up is because the recent events in the manga would make getting a new member at this point almost seem awkward. The Straw Hats are going through a huge thing right now - how exactly would Oda go about wearing more Straw Hats into the mix? Any new crewmate would be lacking that experience and bond. Luffy was desperate and wanted to see his crew right away - even if he still wanted another member or two, he certainly wouldn't be pining for them like he was for the others.
I disagree with this in the case of one character, Sabo. He dose have the bond with Luffy and since he's presumably with the revolutionary army he would have the experience. (Vivi could theoretically count too, she could have also got the message on Luffy's arm, but her joining (rejoining?) is still very unlikely.) Another thing is that bonds can be made form anywhere, and as for strength and experience, since the Strawhats are going to the New World, anyone the meet there should be fine because of the fact that they're there in the New World.
Yes, there's the barrel scene from 100 that was a sort of "bonding" experience for Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, and Sanji BUT the notion of adding a doctor to the crew was presented in the Arlong Arc. We haven't had a hint of a specific role to be filled since Brook joined as the musician, and prior to Thriller Bark I remember seeing a theory kicking around that the musician would be the last to join because it's the one Luffy kept insisting they needed next even though a more vital role (such as cook and shipwright) was needed sooner.
I'm not saying it's impossible to weave it in the story but as it stands now it seems like it might be a little awkward. Any thoughts?
The only open position I can think of off the top of my head would be a helmsman / lookout. But Oda is a creative guy, he could come up with something. Originally at the beginning of the story, no one would of thought of an archeologist as an important crew member job.
Now as for how many crew members left, my thought is that Oda will not have a number set in stone. I think that if along the way Oda were to get inspired, I could see him adding more members. As for who would join, I see Sabo as a strong possibility. I'm also praying hard that Perona won't join. I do believe Hancock has a slight chance of joining as well. My money's also on fact that a new crew member may be a complete unknown.
Only time will tell to see how things pan out.
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Something that's probably being overlooked about the Blackbeard crew is Stronger. The question is whether he counts as a crew member on his own or if he is grouped with Doc Q.
Well, in Chapter 595, all the Blackbeard pirates got their names romanized as they were introduced on panel, but Stronger was left out. I think that's a clue that he's not as important as the others.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
I guess we can count Stronger as Lasso from Mr.4.
Not actually a real member but definitely somehow useful for Doc Q in a fight.
I agree with everyone who says that the new "nakamate" will be a new world-born person :D
@Dixxy:
The reason I bring this up is because the recent events in the manga would make getting a new member at this point almost seem awkward. The Straw Hats are going through a huge thing right now - how exactly would Oda go about wearing more Straw Hats into the mix? Any new crewmate would be lacking that experience and bond. Luffy was desperate and wanted to see his crew right away - even if he still wanted another member or two, he certainly wouldn't be pining for them like he was for the others.
I'm starting to think that this may be a possibility. In fact if we didn't have a whole half left of the series to go I would think that the Straw Hat crew was complete for sure.
I'm afraid that anybody added from here on out would likely feel tacked on. We've had a huge focus on the crew lately, and them growing up. I don't know what it is, but I just can't shake this feeling off. Having this crew during the time skip, having this crew get separated and training to their specific abilities. It makes it feel like they are the complete Straw Hat crew.
It most likely isn't complete, but I still feel like anybody after this will seem quite awkward.They didn't deal with the separation. They didn't get sent to an island by Kuma for training to their best ability.
I especially do not see anybody current joining. It just doesn't feel like the right time. This part of the story is about the current Straw Hats, not about new members.
