erm.. didn't luffy kinda use haki to spot Mr.3 in little garden? the chapter titled INSTINCT..
General 'Haki' Discussion
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Everything is haki now…
Nami has armor haki... She is able to damage Luffy with ease all the time
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Chopper will get rid of the pill resource for a more effecient way to transform if he doesn't just learn to do it at will. He'll never learn how to fully control M.point he'll just use medicine to trigger the transformation, stabilize it so it doesn't kill him, subconsciously not target allies. Never be able to communicate like normal in that form.
well CP9 kumadori can even control his hair.. i dun see why chopper can't learn to control monster point.. heck he might even be able to shrink or enlarge himself like lucci.. lol..
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erm.. didn't luffy kinda use haki to spot Mr.3 in little garden? the chapter titled INSTINCT..
Not everything is Haki.
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Not everything is Haki.
ur sentence is true but it dun apply to wat i said.. luffy spotting Mr3 was sign of haki use..
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ur sentence is true but it dun apply to wat i said.. luffy spotting Mr3 was sign of haki use..
In what way? Haki is not instinct. It is an actual power that one must either awaken or be lucky enough to be born able to use it (like Aisa). Luffy wasn't born able use it nor did he show any signs of it until he knocked out Duval's bull.
Again, Haki is not some mysterious force that all other techniques or even gut feelings derive from. It's one power among many, that's all.
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I hate to put fire
but is this tha the haki protect her from the effect of fire or was her DF
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I am curious about if that one old Whitebeard Commander's flaming sword and Makugai's electrical sword relate to Haki.
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Gonna put this out there: I don't think zoro sensing his sword, dodging the rocks, etc was haki. why? because I suspect that "observation" can only be applied to living things. because, you're like reading their mind and stuff…
also, if "observation" worked on any moving thing, then eneru would have been able to predict luffy's octopus fireworks. he couldn't, though, because luffy wasn't thinking of what exactly he was doing, and so eneru couldn't read the intentions.
are there any confirmed examples of "observation" being used to dodge innanimate objects?
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that would explain sanjis foot.
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So… any idea how Shanks Conquerors Haki or whatever its name was able to damage Moby dick? Maybe the ship had a spirit like Going merry that he was able to intimidate...
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I assume the translation missed the sound effects of her SKULL CRACKING from Zoro's iron claw?
Haha, I posted that as a joke.
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Gonna put this out there: I don't think zoro sensing his sword, dodging the rocks, etc was haki. why? because I suspect that "observation" can only be applied to living things. because, you're like reading their mind and stuff…
also, if "observation" worked on any moving thing, then eneru would have been able to predict luffy's octopus fireworks. he couldn't, though, because luffy wasn't thinking of what exactly he was doing, and so eneru couldn't read the intentions.
are there any confirmed examples of "observation" being used to dodge innanimate objects?
We've yet to know whether kenbunshoku haki can only be used to living beings, since there was Roger. Although we can't be sure that his ability to "hear all things" was haki or not, but there's still a possibility. If it was, we have a clue about how great Roger's haki was, since he wasn't only able to "read" poneglyph, but also write it.
Who knows, some exceptional haki-user might be able to utilize it against inanimate objects.
And yeah, since Shanks' haoushoku haki could damage the Moby Dick…
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Zoro will most likely lean towards the presence Haki if what has been seen so far is anything to go by. The fight with Mr 1, (though Big Bad Lith does make me second guess it) and the fight with Kaku really come to mind. No one ever seems to remember or care, but during that fight Kuka asked himself if Zoro had read his movements during his paper art technique. Big fat hint right there. Not to mention isn't Zoro always the first one to be aware of the presence of someone watching them or lurking somewhere?
As for Sanji I really think there is a connection between Marigold lighting herself on fire and not being burned along with Sanji heating up his foot and not being burned. I doubt Marigolds snake scales were any better than Sonias when she got burned.
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So does the presence Haki just cancel out the DF of the other person? or does it actually do more damage?
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Haha, I posted that as a joke.
I think it was pretty clear on first read. It´s only me that insists on this as that meaning anything.
Imma gonna stick to it, even if no one cares.
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Didn't read the thread so I don't know if following theory was already mentioned.
Till now Haki is like an invisible power. Could it be that once you master the basics of the color of observation that the color of armaments becomes visible. I mean you are supposed to imagine an invisible armor and when your opponent is skilled enough in the color of observation he might see it.
I think in the same way like nen in HxH was only visible to those who learned it.
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@Rubber:
So does the presence Haki just cancel out the DF of the other person? or does it actually do more damage?
It allows you to hit through their defenses, not actually cancel it out like Blackbeard's darkness fruit.
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Didn't read the thread so I don't know if following theory was already mentioned.
Till now Haki is like an invisible power. Could it be that once you master the basics of the color of observation that the color of armaments becomes visible. I mean you are supposed to imagine an invisible armor and when your opponent is skilled enough in the color of observation he might see it.
I think in the same way like nen in HxH was only visible to those who learned it.
Yeah I actually Imagine the same. it would be fun to see people seemingly using an armor when they use haki (Admiral using an armor would be lovely :wub:), it could make luffy tendency to always wear an armor whenever he see one, an epic foreshadowing :ninja:.
It disappointing that despite many crappy theory about haki being source of all thing, no one said miss goldenweek color trap as haki .
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It disappointing that despite many crappy theory about haki being source of all thing, no one said miss goldenweek color trap as haki .
That's because no one is stupid enough to believe that Ms. Awesome Week was using drive at all.
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Yeah I actually Imagine the same. it would be fun to see people seemingly using an armor when they use haki (Admiral using an armor would be lovely :wub:), it could make luffy tendency to always wear an armor whenever he see one, an epic foreshadowing :ninja:.
It disappointing that despite many crappy theory about haki being source of all thing, no one said miss goldenweek color trap as haki .
According to http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Miss_GoldenweekOda said she's merely a type of a hypnotist that uses colors as a manner of suggestion.
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Did Rayleigh use Haki to remove Keimi's collar? If so, does that mean that haki gives extra power to its user?
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Alright, so if Marco got a clean shot on Sakazuki he would just fall over dead?
Remember, Newgate of all people couldn't put Sakazuki down for good.
I think is about if you can mantain the haki, seen with WB when in anger can use the full extent and punched him twice but because of his age he could not show full extent of his power. Saying marco attacked akainu he should die, then you implying his streght is only becouse of his magma ability. remember both have colour of armament and akainu could of put an invisble armar around him, and finlly is lke saying an admiral could be taken out easly if marco got an hit.
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About Nami having "presence" kind of Haki…
She has a form of sensing that is similar to Haki, but it's not the sensing of other's intentions or location. Her kenbunshoku is definitely weather and map related, and she has it naturally.
Robin also has a form of sense in which she can read and understand archaic script without any guide whatsoever. She is unable to sense location and intentions.
Aisa has natural sense of presence, and possibly intention. So in that sense, she has haki.
Usopp can scope far distances and aim with precision that only 3 people in this manga have shown thus far, including Usopp. That could also be in the "Detect" category.
5. Remember that each type of Haki is separated into 3 categories, or "colors", and not exactly defined powers.
And thus, in theory, each category has many subtypes, so having natural gifts of one kind doesn't mean mastery over the whole category!
Roger could have mastered all categories, and all types in each category.
Luffy, thus far, has shown his ability to sense intentions (Nami, Crocodile) and locations (Crocodile), knock people out with willpower, befriend people by doing nothing skillful, and harness increased attack power at near death (during Lucci fight).
Zoro has shown ability to sense movements with superhuman precision, cut hard objects like paper, prevent cutting of soft objects, emit intimidating auras, increase power near death.
Sanji has shown the ability to sense intentions of women, and control fire/heat-light on his leg. Attack power also increases when enraged.
Brook has shown the ability to cut without touching (cuts manifest only when he sheathes his sword), and control people to sleep with music (not Haki). Brook may not be using Haki to cut, but I'm not sure.
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About Nami having "presence" kind of Haki…
She has a form of sensing that is similar to Haki, but it's not the sensing of other's intentions or location. Her kenbunshoku is definitely weather and map related, and she has it naturally.
Robin also has a form of sense in which she can read and understand archaic script without any guide whatsoever. She is unable to sense location and intentions.
just cause coby's haki is just like mantra doesnt mean other people who have observation drive will be exactly the same
how u use haki is an extension of ur personality thats why rayeligh said people tend to gravitate to a certain kind (this is my take on the matter anyway)
just cause nami senses shifts in weather easier than other things doesnt mean she isnt tappin into her haki abilities
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@Chopper:
just cause coby's haki is just like mantra doesnt mean other people who have observation drive will be exactly the same
how u use haki is an extension of ur personality thats why rayeligh said people tend to gravitate to a certain kind (this is my take on the matter anyway)
just cause nami senses shifts in weather easier than other things doesnt mean she isnt tappin into her haki abilities
My post did say she had kenbunshoku, yet it also said she doesn't necessarily have Haki. This is definitely contradiction.
What I meant was, if it was Haki, Nami's ability to sense the weather would be classified in Kenbunshoku.
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My post did say she had kenbunshoku, yet it also said she doesn't necessarily have Haki. This is definitely contradiction.
What I meant was, if it was Haki, Nami's ability to sense the weather would be classified in Kenbunshoku.
ok i misunderstood my mistake
but in regards to earlier i think its obvious at least 90 percent of the crew will use haki even if to a limited degree
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I wonder if the sub-typing of Haki can resolve the Rokushiki problem. If Tekkai only protects against physical attacks, it would be armor haki for only physical hits. It would not protect against fire. Pearl can set himself on fire, but physical hits still hurt, so he would have only fire-shielding haki. If Shigan was armor haki concentrated on fingers, but only the strengthening aspect, and not DFcancelling, then it would make sense too.
Anyway, I was wondering if haki can be upgraded to different "colors". 1st upgrade: Color of Observation => Color of Intelligence. Color of Arms => Color of Battalions. Color of Warlords => Color of the Ruling Emperor. Next upgrade: Color of Intelligence => Color of the All-Seeing Eye. Color of Battalions => Color of the Immortal Army. Color of the Ruling Emperor => Color of the Omnipotent War God :P
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I wonder if the sub-typing of Haki can resolve the Rokushiki problem. If Tekkai only protects against physical attacks, it would be armor haki for only physical hits. It would not protect against fire. Pearl can set himself on fire, but physical hits still hurt, so he would have only fire-shielding haki. If Shigan was armor haki concentrated on fingers, but only the strengthening aspect, and not DFcancelling, then it would make sense too.
Anyway, I was wondering if haki can be upgraded to different "colors". 1st upgrade: Color of Observation => Color of Intelligence. Color of Arms => Color of Battalions. Color of Warlords => Color of the Ruling Emperor. Next upgrade: Color of Intelligence => Color of the All-Seeing Eye. Color of Battalions => Color of the Immortal Army. Color of the Ruling Emperor => Color of the Omnipotent War God :P
Really… Now every technique on this world is haki? And Pearl saved himself from fire with his damn shield. He only set his shield on fire and not himself.
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lmao @ Pearl w/ Haki.
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Anyway, I was wondering if haki can be upgraded to different "colors". 1st upgrade: Color of Observation => Color of Intelligence. Color of Arms => Color of Battalions. Color of Warlords => Color of the Ruling Emperor. Next upgrade: Color of Intelligence => Color of the All-Seeing Eye. Color of Battalions => Color of the Immortal Army. Color of the Ruling Emperor => Color of the Omnipotent War God :P
Haki as it is now is strong enough, infact it's designed as such that it totally depends on the skill of the user, which is perfect. Even if you mean that Haki's would be categorized (level wise) by strength, i don't think we need to have all that ridiculous naming going on. It's enough to recognize that someone is 'strong' or 'weak' in a particular color.
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@Lady:
Haki as it is now is strong enough, infact it's designed as such that it totally depends on the skill of the user, which is perfect. Even if you mean that Haki's would be categorized (level wise) by strength, i don't think we need to have all that ridiculous naming going on. It's enough to recognize that someone is 'strong' or 'weak' in a particular color.
Indeed, otherwise we will have a Hunter x hunter scenario where nobody really understands the nen, ten, ren, zetsu, hatsu (and probably 12 that I forgot) anymore. I do think however that Luffy will again be original with his Haki and use it in a way we never expected together with his rubber body. Besides, having Haki and using the color of armaments on gear third would be über-powerfull, wouldn't it?
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So was Roger's ability to hear voice of all things part of the Color of Observation Haki?
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Robin also has a form of sense in which she can read and understand archaic script without any guide whatsoever. She is unable to sense location and intentions.
WTF. So being able to read is drive now?
You get owned, bro.
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There are tons of people in that range who are on par or stronger than base Luffy. His strength is not exceptional at this point in the story that he'll be able to deal with top tiers just with his natural muscle development as he grows as a fighter.
And can be stop attributing everything to Haki. Only Haki Admirals are hinted(if not confirmed) to have is the shield Haki. All Aokiji did in that instance was dodge/evade a blow.
His strenght is exceptional he's way stronger than needed. Most of the people he's fought he's beaten using hand to hand combat even when he was at a disadvantage. Then when he finally fucked with people who were feared for there hand to hand combat he got better and beat them. Even Kuma said who would have taught CP9 would have fallen. Luffy is way stronger physically than the rest of the supernova. Which is why color of arments isn't really needed even if that's what he leans towards. I hope he develops his color of observation more than anything else.
"I'm already strong lol so why get stronger lol" is dumb logic
if they can learn Haki and get stronger, there's no reason why they shouldn't
no not really. you know whats dumb thinking everyone on the pirate kings ship knew haki. Theres no reason for you to think that everyone will learn it. Thats some fucking Naruto fanboy logic of a 13 year old that swears sasuke will learn to mold sage chakra.
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man, really, don't you know that Sasuke already has the totally redundant idiot flying lame-ass falcon technique?
He is HAX already
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Really… Now every technique on this world is haki? And Pearl saved himself from fire with his damn shield. He only set his shield on fire and not himself.
I never said he had Haki. I said it could be explained with Haki. However, there are many things that aren't Haki. Besides, fire spreads. If it didn't spread onto his own body, but it spread onto the ship, why is that?
Anyway, the whole disgust on the connection of Ki to everything seems to be entirely a mindset issue. Some people are fine with explanations at status quo. Some people dream of a "Theory of Everything" or "Utopia". These two mindsets will inevitably clash. In science, this leads to the destruction of a theory, the creation of a new one, or both. In politics, it leads to debates, party formation, and foreign relations "policies".
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Looking back and re-reading some chapters for the break I noticed that it appears that zoro may have king's haki too it was ch 108 pg 17. pretty interesting seeing how Oda has planned all this out from the first chapter and having various references to it throughout the manga.
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Looking back and re-reading some chapters for the break I noticed that it appears that zoro may have king's haki too it was ch 108 pg 17. pretty interesting seeing how Oda has planned all this out from the first chapter and having various references to it throughout the manga.
If you are talking about Zoro and Miss Monday, that wasn't Haki. That was Zoro overpowering her to the point where she passed out. Haki doesn't cause people to foam at the mouth, it causing them to pass out. Which causing them to foam at the mouth.
I will agree thought that Oda had this plan since the beginning, since Shank uses Haki in the very first chapter.
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His strenght is exceptional he's way stronger than needed. Most of the people he's fought he's beaten using hand to hand combat even when he was at a disadvantage. Then when he finally fucked with people who were feared for there hand to hand combat he got better and beat them. Even Kuma said who would have taught CP9 would have fallen. Luffy is way stronger physically than the rest of the supernova**.** Which is why color of arments isn't really needed even if that's what he leans towards. I hope he develops his color of observation more than anything else.
The main reason observation is even in the series is to explain why Kuma, Kizaru, and people with similar speed aren't the strongest characters in the series. A way to deal with when and how they attack. Observation Haki isn't going to play a central role in future battles. It will be behind the scenes like Jedi's pre-cog that is in effect in every single battle but viewers don't really notice.
I'm confused at why you're separating the ability to hit through defenses and increasing attack power. Two abilities seem to go hand in hand so by default Luffy will be hitting logias' harder as his reinforcement Haki improves. His main issue even he brings up is not being able to hit certain opponents, not perceiving enemy movements though that is important too. Powering up his attacks will likely be necessary to bust through future tough opponents Haki Armor. He is not going to be able to develop power on pure muscle to accomplish tasks comparable to WB's quakes and others with fruits that increase attack power.
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Observation Haki isn't going to play a central role in future battles. It will be behind the scenes like Jedi's pre-cog that is in effect in every single battle but viewers don't really notice.
You know, I wonder about that. I understand the general skepticism about what is and is not Ambition, but I still find a few particular scenes to be suspect; an example would be [[URL="http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html"]here], where Luffy sees his arm getting cut off by Mihawk. On the one hand*, it could simply be Luffy thinking about what could happen and being cautious as a result; on the other hand, this has been the saga for Ambition. Oda drawing a very unique panel like that with Luffy being certain of the consequence would be very unusual were it simply Luffy smartening up; hell, even Mihawk commented on Luffy's behavior at that point. Assuming it is Observation, it could be a hint that Luffy will lean towards that 'Color', or at least be able to make good use of it. It would also be a good example of how Oda might give the viewers an occasional visual, should the situation ever arise. If it isn't… oh well; weird panel, Oda.
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You know, I wonder about that. I understand the general skepticism about what is and is not Ambition, but I still find a few particular scenes to be suspect; an example would be [[URL="http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html"]here], where Luffy sees his arm getting cut off by Mihawk. On the one hand*, it could simply be Luffy thinking about what could happen and being cautious as a result; on the other hand, this has been the saga for Ambition. Oda drawing a very unique panel like that with Luffy being certain of the consequence would be very unusual were it simply Luffy smartening up; hell, even Mihawk commented on Luffy's behavior at that point. Assuming it is Observation, it could be a hint that Luffy will lean towards that 'Color', or at least be able to make good use of it. It would also be a good example of how Oda might give the viewers an occasional visual, should the situation ever arise. If it isn't… oh well; weird panel, Oda.
Always believed that scene was proof of Luffy developing observation Haki. One scene where he first shows signs of this type doesn't mean its the one his fighting style will focus on. He'll likely be good at everything including the shield so he can fight people like Akainu. Introduced here to explain how he really evaded the Strongest Swordsman in the world and giving a clue of how it will play out in the future.
Scene illustrates perfectly my point that this type of Haki will be in action behind the scenes. We're not going to get a hint each and every single time Observation Haki is used to dodge or counter a blow in battle because its use would be far too prevalent.
Personally thought Observation Haki was used to help Marco block Kizaru attack on WB(he was running before attack started) and how Rayleigh deflected Kizaru's kick. Only other explanations are FTL reactions or light based attacks that a slower than light speed. Think I'll go with precog being used.
Two O-Haki users fighting would likely just be lots of dodging&blocking till a decisive blow is made. The exact same way any battle between Jedi goes down. Not lots of shots of what is going on inside their heads. We'll get mental shots at first to confirm its being used in scenes of some early SH fights. Its main use being for situations like knowing how Kuma is going to attack after warping instead of waiting for him to attack and then reacting like Zoro in TB.
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Personally thought Observation Haki was used to help Marco block Kizaru attack on WB(he was running before attack started) and how Rayleigh deflected Kizaru's kick. Only other explanations are FTL reactions or light based attacks that a slower than light speed. Think I'll go with precog being used.
Even with Observation Haki you would have to be in the same ballpark in speed in order to react to someone's superior speed, since we have seen how hard it is to keep up with significantly superior speed even with Observation Haki (Sandersonia vs. Luffy).
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@Lady:
Haki as it is now is strong enough, infact it's designed as such that it totally depends on the skill of the user, which is perfect. Even if you mean that Haki's would be categorized (level wise) by strength, i don't think we need to have all that ridiculous naming going on. It's enough to recognize that someone is 'strong' or 'weak' in a particular color.
So you were basically saying Super Saiyan 1 => Super Saiyan 2 => Super Saiyan 3.
Please don't let it happen
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You know, I wonder about that. I understand the general skepticism about what is and is not Ambition, but I still find a few particular scenes to be suspect; an example would be [[URL="http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-561/page006.html"]here], where Luffy sees his arm getting cut off by Mihawk.
I always saw that as "Okay, now I'm going to hi… oh crap you have a sword." Considering that every other confirmed instance of the color of observation was the user predicting a hit against them and not the result of one of their attacks, I would wager, a lot, that that moment wasn't Haki. If it were, Luffy should have seen Mihawk throwing a slash at him.
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@Chopper:
its obvious at least 90 percent of the crew will use haki
9 out of 10?
8.1 out of 9? :Pjust the 0.9 which belongs to franky's cyborg body wont use haki according to ur theory
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I always thought luffy thought that about mihawk because of how fast Mihawk's reactions are to things (Such as when mihawk deflected those bullets) It would be a simple thought process even though luffy isn't the brightest we know luffy gets brighter by a bit during go time
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We've yet to know whether kenbunshoku haki can only be used to living beings, since there was Roger. Although we can't be sure that his ability to "hear all things" was haki or not, but there's still a possibility. If it was, we have a clue about how great Roger's haki was, since he wasn't only able to "read" poneglyph, but also write it.
Who knows, some exceptional haki-user might be able to utilize it against inanimate objects.
And yeah, since Shanks' haoushoku haki could damage the Moby Dick…
ok, so "hearing the voice of all things" could be haki, but besides that…?
I think "observation" can only work on living things, until proven otherwise. of course the other two types can work on inanimate things, though.
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ok, so "hearing the voice of all things" could be haki, but besides that…?
I think "observation" can only work on living things, until proven otherwise. of course the other two types can work on inanimate things, though.
I agree, we should wait for more information about this.
But I expect kenbunshoku haki to be somewhat like RADAR or spidey's spider-sense, so it can also detect traps, sense sneak/ranged attack, sense the layout of surrounding area, etc.
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One scene where he first shows signs of this type doesn't mean its the one his fighting style will focus on. Two O-Haki users fighting would likely just be lots of dodging&blocking till a decisive blow is made. The exact same way any battle between Jedi goes down. Not lots of shots of what is going on inside their heads. We'll get mental shots at first to confirm its being used in scenes of some early SH fights.
Not sure if you are arguing with me or not, but I think we agree for the most part. My post was wordy, but the bottom line was that I think Oda might use the occasional visual, and the linked scene with Mihawk might be one such example of how it would or could look. For the most part, it would be like Luffy using soru; he doesn't call it out, but we know he's using it.
Considering that every other confirmed instance of the color of observation was the user predicting a hit against them and not the result of one of their attacks, I would wager, a lot, that that moment wasn't Haki.
But isn't that the same thing? Predicting a sword will hit your arm is the same thing as predicting that an "elephant will attack my head from the right". As you yourself just implied, knowing the outcome of that should be simple enough for anyone. It's not like we've ever seen the details from anyone using Observation either, just a comment of what the attacker is about to do, where it will hit, and how.
I always thought Luffy thought that about Mihawk because of how fast Mihawk's reactions are to things.
I'm not denying the possibility, but you have to take into account the reason I am suggesting (again) that it might be Ambition: it was a very unusual scene in a very suspect arc/saga, out of character enough for even Mihawk to notice, and didn't apply before that scene or after… meaning he fought tons of people before and after without reserve, yet against Mihawk for a single moment he imagined with complete certainty that his arm would be cut off. He's been slashed and fought sword users before, so a scene with him imagining his hand getting cut off and adjusting his attack accordingly is very unlike Luffy, and very unlike Oda. And for what?