Why when I read "Haoushoku" does it come to me as ( The Lion Roar )?!!
It feels as if it's the same ( the King Disposition ) & ( the Lion Roar )
The lion is a King, so we can name the technique where luffy scream by using that Haki a "LION ROAR"
Why when I read "Haoushoku" does it come to me as ( The Lion Roar )?!!
It feels as if it's the same ( the King Disposition ) & ( the Lion Roar )
The lion is a King, so we can name the technique where luffy scream by using that Haki a "LION ROAR"
The lion is a King, so we can name the technique where luffy scream by using that Haki a "LION ROAR"
Well, that's plausible. Cause it kinda seem that way. For me at least.
Why when I read "Haoushoku" does it come to me as ( The Lion Roar )?!!
It feels as if it's the same ( the King Disposition ) & ( the Lion Roar )
I'm pretty sure what Luffy does is supposed to be the same as what we have seen Shanks or Rayleigh doing. The only difference is, Luffy doesn't have control over it yet (the Kuja said this) so it only comes out when he gets very emotional. When he does get control over it, he can probably walk around with it just like Shanks instead of using it with unintentional bursts.
You say that "Quick Aura" is the same as "Shockwave" but hits more people and is stronger. You use examples of Rayleigh and Luffy to demonstrate the difference. However, there is nothing that implies Rayleigh's demonstration of Haki was any weaker than Luffy's. It's true that Luffy was more emotional when he used it, which can sometimes make it seem like it would be stronger, but I'm not really convinced enough to call them two different categories. Why do you feel Luffy's was stronger? Also, Luffy has never knocked out everyone around him when he has used Haki. Only some of the women at Amazon Lily fainted, and certainly not everyone in the war fainted. If you don't feel you made a mistake, please provide evidence or an example of the difference.
Luffy uses a huge wave all around him knocking many experienced Haki users.
While we only see Rayleigh to do in front of him and he did not managed to take out a single member of the pirate crews.
Unless you are saying Rayleigh has King's Haki… which can be translated as Zoro having it also.
Luffy uses a huge wave all around him knocking many experienced Haki users. While we only see Rayleigh to do in front of him and he did not managed to take out a single member of the pirate crews.
Rayleigh was standing on the stage so there were only people in front of him. And the pirates were also affected, see.
Unless you are saying Rayleigh has King's Haki… which can be translated as Zoro having it also.
huh where did that come from?
I read a book by notable physicist Michio Kaku (Physics of the Impossible) in which the author (physicist) explained that brains emit radio waves and are also affected by radio waves.
Seeing how Haki is instantaneous, it would make sense to say that if there was Haki in real life, it could be a would be a burst of radio waves, and that burst will overwhelm some people.
It is also plausible that a person's intentions can be read by reading the patterns in radio wave emission.
How those radio waves affect defensive and offensive strength, I have no idea.
Rayleigh was standing on the stage so there were only people in front of him. And the pirates were also affected, see.
huh where did that come from?
First things first.. I just posted that picture earlier in this thread I think.
or maybe was another thread.
Second things second.. I said he not not managed to take out.. not have an effect on them. As you can see each and every of them are still standing….
Third things third.. Rayleigh was the first mate... Zoro is the first mate...
Luffy crew would be a lot weaker the the Roger's crew if Roger had at least two King's Haki users... If Rayleigh can use King's Haki then Zoro will most likely be able to use it also.
That is why I put a difference between Luffy's and Rayleigh's Haki shockwaves. At Rayleigh side was Camie and behind was the Giant.
First things first.. I just posted that picture earlier in this thread I think.
or maybe was another thread.Second things second.. I said he not not managed to take out.. not have an effect on them. As you can see each and every of them are still standing….
Rayleigh explicitly stated they must have been strong to withstand his haki, so I don't see any proof that Luffy would have been able to knock them out. In fact when Luffy does his haki blast in Marinford, we see a random whitebeard pirate go down, pretty much the same reaction to when Shanks used his "intimidation".
Third things third.. Rayleigh was the first mate… Zoro is the first mate...
Luffy crew would be a lot weaker the the Roger's crew if Roger had at least two King's Haki users... If Rayleigh can use King's Haki then Zoro will most likely be able to use it also.
What makes you think their crews have to be carbon copies of each-other? Having haki doesn't make you the ultimate warrior, just remember Marigold and Sandersonia, Luffy bested them just by using gear 2. Zoro is strong enough in his own right.
That is why I put a difference between Luffy's and Rayleigh's Haki shockwaves. At Rayleigh side was Camie and behind was the Giant.
The giant probably just withstood the blast, and Camie and the slaves weren't affected because it only affects warriors not civilians (like in amazon lilly).
no im pretty sure it affects everybody at least kings haki does maybe ray did somethin else that has a similar effect
Rayleigh explicitly stated they must have been strong to withstand his haki, so I don't see any proof that Luffy would have been able to knock them out. In fact when Luffy does his haki blast in Marinford, we see a random whitebeard pirate go down, pretty much the same reaction to when Shanks used his "intimidation".
What makes you think their crews have to be carbon copies of each-other? Having haki doesn't make you the ultimate warrior, just remember Marigold and Sandersonia, Luffy bested them just by using gear 2. Zoro is strong enough in his own right.
The giant probably just withstood the blast, and Camie and the slaves weren't affected because it only affects warriors not civilians (like in amazon lilly).
Zoro can use Haki without a doubt
But one in a million can use King's Haki… If Roger crew had two of that caliber then I think Strawhats would need two. That means that Zoro would most likely be second one.
Ah ok I didn't know we were making random statements without proof. Here goes:
Gin can use haki without a doubt.
On the issue of Slivers, I do not think he has King's Haki, he has just simply completely mastered it, maybe Shanks as well.
Ah ok I didn't know we were making random statements without proof. Here goes:
Gin can use haki without a doubt.
Thanks for making fun of my statement.
But as you can see so many New World Pirates can use Haki, you don't think that Zoro will be able to use Haki ? That he will never be able to hurt an Admiral with his swords ?
I don't think Roger was able to use King's Haki, I think Silvers was the only one in Roger's crew that could.
Roger had what Zoro has, the ability to hear the breath off all things. Zoro showed this all the way back when he beat Mr. 1, and Silvers confirmed Roger had it when he told Robin how Roger understood what was on the Poneglyph.
And Silvers has to have King's Haki. That's what you have to have to be able to knock people unconcious.
Proof?
How else would Boa have realized Luffy had the King's disposition. All he did was knock out half the arena. And in chapter 569 when he uses it, would WB have looked at him like he did, which was with shock?
The so called intimidation belongs soley to Haōshoku. That's why everyone freaks out when Luffy uses it, and why we have seen only a few people use it so far.
@Uzumaki_D_Kenichi:
I don't think Roger was able to use King's Haki, I think Silvers was the only one in Roger's crew that could.
Roger had what Zoro has, the ability to hear the breath off all things. Zoro showed this all the way back when he beat Mr. 1, and Silvers confirmed Roger had it when he told Robin how Roger understood what was on the Poneglyph.
I remember this theory. I can't agree with this soley because if this is what Zoro's supposed aura is capable of then it completely throws Robin's uniqueness out the window. She is the sole survivor of anyone who can read Poneglyphs. If that haki lets you communicate with inanimate objects in that manner, then there are most likely loads of people who can do such things in the OP world.
Breath and Voice in my opinion are two different things. What Roger had sounds much more like a fruit ability then haki.
I remember this theory. I can't agree with this soley because if this is what Zoro's supposed aura is capable of then it completely throws Robin's uniqueness out the window. She is the sole survivor of anyone who can read Poneglyphs. If that haki lets you communicate with inanimate objects in that manner, then there are most likely loads of people who can do such things in the OP world.
Breath and Voice in my opinion are two different things. What Roger had sounds much more like a fruit ability then haki.
I was thinking this type of haki is dependent on the user, or what they're listening for. Zoro has no interest in the poneglyphs and could care less about the void history.
Roger was interested, and therefore took the time to listen to the poneglyphs, something Zoro would never do.
I just don't think that Oda would use the same description for two different things. Then of course, he might, just to throw people like me off!
Looks like I was right after all. 570 confirmed that Shanks and WB both have King's Haki. Just waiting on Rayliegh's haki class now.
I think it's pretty much given that Rayliegh has the same type of Haki. I understand though you want it to be out right said in the manga for true confirmation.
i wonder if we'll meet anyone else who has mantra?
i wonder if we'll meet anyone else who has mantra?
what i wonder more is what happens when two people fight with mantra?
theyll just keep changing their minds with wha they will do
hes gonna attack with his left foot..oh no now hes gonns block it ill do something else ….oh no now hes gonna block that...
I got a feeling…luffy's trainer will be shanks O_o...
No trainer…. The process of slowly learning and discovering/creating new power sources/techniques is so much interesting than a boring old school pirate teaching his tricks...
^
I agree, having a trainer would be terrible. Why would Oda want to remove the mysteries of Luffys continuous new found abilities?
I wouldn't mind someone fully explaining how Haki manifests inside himself, but the mojority of his progression should remain hidden.
Ash ketchup will be his trainer.
I've a better idea…. Odas use for vegapunk "explain the haki chromosome and how to activate it with sea stone radioactive material"
no trainer maybe someone can give him a hint or two
Ash ketchup will be his trainer.
Everyone in this forum is dumber because of you.
Haha you are funny.
@BattleFrankyBot:
what i wonder more is what happens when two people fight with mantra?
theyll just keep changing their minds with wha they will do
hes gonna attack with his left foot..oh no now hes gonns block it ill do something else ….oh no now hes gonna block that...
It'll probably be like a normal fight. One guy wants to attack, and the other one sees it so he gets ready to dodge. But then the first guy sees the dodge, so he does another attack, which his opponent didn't see coming. Just like a fight without mantra. Funny.
Looks like I was right after all. 570 confirmed that Shanks and WB both have King's Haki. Just waiting on Rayliegh's haki class now.
You guys just make shit up. Where was this stated?
It'll probably be like a normal fight. One guy wants to attack, and the other one sees it so he gets ready to dodge. But then the first guy sees the dodge, so he does another attack, which his opponent didn't see coming. Just like a fight without mantra. Funny.
I sort of agree. I pretty much think that it would just be a fight where they both know what's comming it's just who's body can react faster.
@Zkaiser:
You guys just make shit up. Where was this stated?
I second this.
You guys just make shit up. Where was this stated?
It was mistranslated in the scanslations you have been reading.
Read cnet's translation for example:
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949
Pirate: That's the Sovereign Haki, just like the old man and Red-Hair have got!!
(…)
Garp: ......So he really was born with it...
Ah, thanks.
It was mistranslated in the scanslations you have been reading.
Read cnet's translation for example:
http://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/18949
Dang if that is the correct translation this will break up quite a bit of bickering.
It is. Aohige confirmed it.
Dang if that is the correct translation this will break up quite a bit of bickering.
binktopia's release is out, now we can finally have a scanslation with the correct translation :)
binktopia's release is out, now we can finally have a scanslation with the correct translation :)
Very nice! Sorry for not being informed about the translation error sooner. School is eating up my time I'm afraid.
Plus, both Crocodile and Enel were not turned into pushovers just because Luffy was able to hit them.
Luffy learning how to hit logias will not make those fights uninteresting. A logia still can change its shape to avoid blows and use their powers for other things besides intangibility.
And Presence is not something static. As we saw in Amazon Lily, there are different ways of applying it. Hell, even if each Strawhat could learn some way of using Presence, their abilities would probably not overlap.
Enel's fight was interesting not because of his intangibility, but because of mantra and the different ways he could use lightning. And in the whole second and third fights against Crocodile Luffy was already able to bypass his defence, and still Croc was able to give Luffy serious harm.
Look at what Kizaru, Akainu or Aokiji can do. Luffy being able to hit them would not make those fights uninteresting. Even Smoker's fruit has a lot of potential.
I never said that the fights will be uninteresting, they won't be nearly as interesting, though, Luffy VS Enel and Luffy VS Crocodile were just a sneak peak at the potential that could have been fights like Luffy VS Akainu and Luffy VS AoKiji, among others, but Haki took a lot of potential against Logia battles.
Luffy couldn't find the weakness to a poison man and never would've.
He did, though, and why are you comparing Magellan with logias? Magellan's weakness is pretty obvious, if Luffy does a punch as strong as hell, Magellan will die and then Luffy only has to use one antidote.
Besides, Haki doesn't even affect Luffy VS Magellan, its able to bypass Logia defenses, it won't evaporate poison, though
I know what you're talking about with this example but after the Enel fight and the level of logias increased I didn't expect Luffy to luckily find out their weakness in his 3rd fight against that person.
I did, and it would have been awesome, and its not like Oda can't think of anything, I, in like 10 seconds, thought of a basic concept that would work, Oda could think of a better concept and explore that concept in less time.
I don't see Luffy wearing a mirror suit to fight Kizaru, or finding an appropriate way to use fire against Aokiji, or Akainu waiting for his magma to cool down so Luffy could have a chance. Luffy still can't hurt Smoker and it is kinda clear Oda made ti that way for haki to come in to play. He's basically saying these logia users aren't god tier in the NW, just to the inexperienced, immature, weak GL pirates.
Derp, why do you always go for such basic thoughts?
-Luffy grabbing a mirror after a big epic battle like Luffy VS Foxy.
-Luffy doing friction like Sanji to burn AoKiji
-Luffy having an epic battle running away from magma and going "I can't touch him, what can I do?" to find that Akainu sometimes gets greyish while he's in magma form, and then he punches Akainu at that grey area and finds out his weakness, or he only finds it right at the end by punching him right in the face.
Seriously, I just thought of this in like 20 seconds, Oda is much more smarter than I am, he would probably think of stuff better than this in the toilet, and even if per chance, he couldn't think of anything better, Oda could make excellent work of the stuff I thought already.
I never said that the fights will be uninteresting, they won't be nearly as interesting, though, Luffy VS Enel and Luffy VS Crocodile were just a sneak peak at the potential that could have been fights like Luffy VS Akainu and Luffy VS AoKiji, among others, but Haki took a lot of potential against Logia battles.
You really found Luffy versus Enel interesting? or as interesting as Croc vs. Luffy?
LAWLS.
I mean seriously there was no mystery to that fight at all.
How silly would you have to be to ever think presence is all Luffy needed to get to the top.
Stuff like Akainu taking Vista and Marco's attacks or Akainu still going on after Newgate's attack isn't bizarre.
Haki is bascially Oda's version of the Super Saiyan.
Nooooooo!
I mean, I understand what you mean: Presence is not the ultimate technique that will defeat everything. It will be just a complement to Luffy's abilities that will make him stronger, but there are already even stronger opponents out there.
But comparing it to Super Sayan creates the wrong image…
Nooooooo!
I mean, I understand what you mean: Presence is not the ultimate technique that will defeat everything. It will be just a complement to Luffy's abilities that will make him stronger.
But comparing it to Super Sayan creates the wrong image…
Considering One Piece was heavily influenced by DBZ. I figure it's a realistic comparison. Though golden hair luffy would be hilarous.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
You really found Luffy versus Enel interesting? or as interesting as Croc vs. Luffy?
LAWLS.
I mean seriously there was no mystery to that fight at all.
First of all, please, for god's sake, don't use "lawls", that's almost as bad as "lulz"
And Luffy VS Enel and Luffy VS Crocodile were very interesting battles, and I'm not only referring to the part where we find out their weaknesses, what the hell is wrong with you?
Also, those would just be sneak peaks for amazing stuff Oda could have done with other battles against better logia users.
Haki is bascially Oda's version of the Super Saiyan. Once Luffy gets it, it will be eventually be outclassed by stronger and stronger foes. Blackbeard's got two devil fruits, Admiral Justice took a Quake-Quake fruit punch to the side and he was still fighting like it was nothing. Luffy's got a long way to go before he can get to their level.
On Sabo: If he's alive, he's with Dragon, therefore setting him up to be a character involved with the revolutionaries, who we probably won't fully see for at least a 100 or more chapters, by then I'm sure the last two crewmates will have been found.
Like Super Saiyan?
Not even I think Haki will be this bad
Haki is bascially Oda's version of the Super Saiyan. Once Luffy gets it, it will be eventually be outclassed by stronger and stronger foes.
You don't get Haki at all lol, get a load of this guy.
Considering One Piece was heavily influenced by DBZ. I figure it's a realistic comparison. Though golden hair luffy would be hilarous.
It doesn't matter how bad and un-functional a comparison it is, you can compare something from OP to DB guys.
FUN FACT: 90% of American fans who randomly reference DB/Z have never actually read it, and don't really know what they're talking about at all.
Considering One Piece was heavily influenced by DBZ. I figure it's a realistic comparison. Though golden hair luffy would be hilarous.
Super Sayan brings the idea of the "super ultimate form that raises your power to the max". How many times Goku became the strongest one in the world/galaxy/universe/reality before a previously unheard of Big Bad comes out and reveals himself to be even stronger, and then Goku learns a new "super ultimate form that raises your power to the max"… and rinse and repeat.
Super Sayan brings the idea of the "super ultimate form that raises your power to the max". How many times Goku became the strongest one in the world/galaxy/universe/reality before a previously unheard of Big Bad comes out and reveals himself to be even stronger, for them to Goku to learn a new "super ultimate form that raises your power to the max"… and rinse and repeat.
I meant in terms of advancing the next level, which in Luffy's case, is learning how to use Haki. Of course these two things are like night and day.
Jerk: Meh
I meant in terms of advancing the next level, which in Luffy's case, is learning how to use Haki. Of course these two things are like night and day.
Jerk: Meh
I understand what you meant. I'm just saying that it wasn't the best comparition you could've made.
I understand what you meant. I'm just saying that it wasn't the best comparition you could've made.
I was gonna go for a Naruto reference, but that would be like poking a sleeping bear in the eye.
Jesus Christ, you hate Haki more than I do :blink: